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4th Dec '17 6:12:46 AM JackG
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* John Criton does this single-handedly in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' with his wormhole research. First he learns how to enter and fly in wormholes, from there he becomes an expert on discovering them when they open, then he learns to make wormhole weapons, the first can destroy a single ship by putting one opening in front of the ship and another in the corona of a star. The second and final wormhole weapon of the series is a black hole which nearly destroys the armadas of the two most powerful empires in the known galaxy. While this is happening Criton claims that the black hole could potentially destroy the entire galaxy.

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* John Criton Crichton does this single-handedly in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' with his wormhole research. First he learns how to enter and fly in wormholes, from there he becomes an expert on discovering them when they open, then he learns to make wormhole weapons, the first can destroy a single ship by putting one opening in front of the ship and another in the corona of a star. The second and final wormhole weapon of the series is a black hole which nearly destroys the armadas of the two most powerful empires in the known galaxy. While this is happening Criton claims that the black hole could potentially destroy the entire galaxy.


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* ''Series/DangerUXB''. As the BombDisposal unit gains experience and better equipment, they find themselves up against more sophisticated German anti-handling devices, which in turn requires all the ingenuity of the British boffins to counteract.
11th Nov '17 9:00:00 PM Xtifr
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* ''Computer War'', by Mack Reynolds, is similar to ''Superiority''. For example, the advanced side uses alarms that can detect laser fire to help guard their buildings -- which are useless, as the saboteurs [[RockBeatsLaser use bows and arrows]] to kill the guards. Also, although this side has a massive conventional military advantage, the weaker side is winning by fighting guerrilla-style, and only in easily defensible terrain (mountains, swamps).

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* Subverted in ''Computer War'', by Mack Reynolds, is similar to ''Superiority''. For example, Creator/MackReynolds, the advanced side uses alarms that can detect laser fire to help guard their buildings -- which buildings--which are useless, as the saboteurs [[RockBeatsLaser use bows and arrows]] to kill the guards. Also, although this side has a massive conventional military advantage, the weaker side is winning by fighting guerrilla-style, and only in easily defensible terrain (mountains, swamps).
21st Oct '17 10:09:20 AM Discar
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* ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' ''started'' with {{Nanomachines}}, SuperSoldiers, PoweredArmor, [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot sentient AI]], all-purpose fabricators, [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetically engineered lifeforms]], and an interstellar PortalNetwork. Then the Toughs' MadScientist invented the [[{{Teleportation}} teraport]], and technology's been spiralling upwards ever since.

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* ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'':
** The webcomic
''started'' with {{Nanomachines}}, SuperSoldiers, PoweredArmor, [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot sentient AI]], all-purpose fabricators, [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetically engineered lifeforms]], and an interstellar PortalNetwork. Then the Toughs' MadScientist invented the [[{{Teleportation}} teraport]], and technology's been spiralling upwards ever since.


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** Then we find out that in the distant past, "grand warfare" consisted of "throwing big stars at little stars." And they had foundries that ate planets to build fleets. Petey has begun mimicking some of this in his war in Andromeda against a species of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s; for his troops, the first step in combat is to secure the local star so that it can't be used against them.
10th Oct '17 8:39:09 AM AFP
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*** One side benefit of the Space Race was that it allowed both factions to further develop their ballistic missile technology (satellites and space capsules were often launched into space using the same rockets used to deploy nuclear warheads), while garnering better PR and avoiding unnecessary escalation of tensions. It was win-win for both sides.
2nd Oct '17 10:32:40 PM SSJMagus
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*** There was also a subset of the Lensman Arms Race revolving around [[NukeEm nuclear weapons]]. Prior to the start of ''SEED'', the Earth Alliance had used nukes as their great equalizer against ZAFT's advanced technology. ZAFT responded with the Neutron Jammer (or "N-Jammer"), a piece of AppliedPhlebotinum that somehow blocks nuclear reactions...and has the side effect of interfering with radar and other missile guidance systems. ZAFT spreads millions of the devices all over Earth and the surrounding space. This is later countered by the N-Jammer Canceller, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin which is exactly what it sounds like]], allowing both nuclear weapons and nuclear-powered mobile suits to be fielded. Then in the sequel, ZAFT brings out the Neutron Stampeder, an energy wave that ''forces'' nuclear reactions in any fissile material it hits. This is used to halt an Earth Alliance nuclear strike attempt by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard blowing up the nuclear missiles while they're still in their launch tubes]].



** By the middle of its second season, the main named mecha in the show have become flying {{Super Prototype}}s with [[WaveMotionGun radiation waves, hadron cannons]] and [[BeehiveBarrier Beehive Barriers]], only one year after the end of the first season. For comparison, this would be like going from the first jet fighters of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII seven years before the series, to UsefulNotes/VietnamWar era fighters at the start of the first season, and then the bleeding-edge RealLife [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]] of the modern age only a year later.

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** By the middle of its second season, the main named mecha in the show have become flying {{Super Prototype}}s with [[WaveMotionGun radiation waves, hadron cannons]] and [[BeehiveBarrier Beehive Barriers]], only one year after the end of the first season. For comparison, this would be like going from the first jet fighters of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII seven years before the series, to UsefulNotes/VietnamWar era fighters at the start of the first season, and then the bleeding-edge RealLife [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]] of the modern age only a year later. And then [[Franchise/StarWars X-Wings and TIE Fighters]] a few months after that.



** On a smaller scale, ''Film/IronMan2'' has the US government trying to take the Iron Man tech because they're afraid other nations will copy and mass-produce it before they can. Stark counters with evidence that enemy nations' attempts at this are failing hilariously, but nonetheless shows that they're trying. Then Ivan Vanko shows up and proves that Tony's not the only genius who can do make advanced powered armor tech, adding fuel to the government's arguments. By ''Film/IronMan3'' Tony is trying to leapfrog himself, building faulty armors, because of his fear of not being prepared for new threats.

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** On a smaller scale, ''Film/IronMan2'' has the US government trying to take the Iron Man tech because they're afraid other nations will copy and mass-produce it before they can. Stark counters with evidence that enemy nations' attempts at this are failing hilariously, but nonetheless shows that they're trying. Then Ivan Vanko shows up and proves that Tony's not the only genius who can do make advanced powered armor tech, adding fuel to the government's arguments. By ''Film/IronMan3'' Tony is trying to leapfrog himself, building faulty armors, because of his fear of not being prepared for new threats.
18th Sep '17 8:40:13 PM PaulA
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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer''' "Who's Next?"

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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer''' '''Music/TomLehrer''', "Who's Next?"
Next?", ''Music/ThatWasTheYearThatWas''
17th Sep '17 5:29:20 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...

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* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke Creator/ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...
16th Sep '17 5:09:16 PM nombretomado
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** A quintessential example: The Soviets caught wind the American XB-70 Valkyrie in the late 50s; it's a long-range, super-fast bomber intended to scream overhead and have landed before its bombs do. By 1970, they had created the [=MiG=]-25 "Foxbat" interceptor to catch it. The Foxbat is a brick with engines, and needs huge wings to keep it from falling from the sky, but YanksWithTanks saw those huge wings and thought, "Oh-crap, an ultra-maneuverable superfighter!" They spent a fortune developing the F-14 (1974) and F-15 ('76) to beat it. ''This'' caused the RedsWithRockets to [[FollowTheLeader counter with the Su-27 ('84) and MiG-29 ('83)]], which caused ''America'' to field the F-22 Raptor (2005) and F-35 Lightning II (2015). The RussiansWithRustingRockets are scrambling to produce their own fifth-generation fighters, but they are hampered by budget constraints, and so America currently has the edge and can now safely operate the XB-70 Valkyrie. ...Or could, if it hadn't been cancelled. In 1961. [[ShaggyDogStory Before its first flight.]]

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** A quintessential example: The Soviets caught wind the American XB-70 Valkyrie in the late 50s; it's a long-range, super-fast bomber intended to scream overhead and have landed before its bombs do. By 1970, they had created the [=MiG=]-25 "Foxbat" interceptor to catch it. The Foxbat is a brick with engines, and needs huge wings to keep it from falling from the sky, but YanksWithTanks UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks saw those huge wings and thought, "Oh-crap, an ultra-maneuverable superfighter!" They spent a fortune developing the F-14 (1974) and F-15 ('76) to beat it. ''This'' caused the RedsWithRockets to [[FollowTheLeader counter with the Su-27 ('84) and MiG-29 ('83)]], which caused ''America'' to field the F-22 Raptor (2005) and F-35 Lightning II (2015). The RussiansWithRustingRockets are scrambling to produce their own fifth-generation fighters, but they are hampered by budget constraints, and so America currently has the edge and can now safely operate the XB-70 Valkyrie. ...Or could, if it hadn't been cancelled. In 1961. [[ShaggyDogStory Before its first flight.]]
5th Sep '17 6:57:40 PM TheBigBopper
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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster. Having said that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].

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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster. Having said that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization
said that, none of those can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].race.
5th Sep '17 6:56:31 PM TheBigBopper
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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
Having said that, [[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].

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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
faster. Having said that, that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].
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