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17th Jul '16 10:57:04 AM nombretomado
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* Happening in the ''{{MUGEN}}'' community with "[[UpToEleven Uber]]-[[GameBreaker Cheap]]" characters. We aren't talking about the likes of F1, Omega Tom Hanks, Rare Akuma, Legend Gogeta or A-Bomb here- these guys would die in seconds against an Uber-Cheap. We're talking about things like ChuckNorris (obviously), Oni-Miko-Zero (an edit of [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Reimu]] who KILLS the opponent ''before the battle starts''), various modifications of Orochi from ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'' series, and other such chars that cause seizure with their flashy, deadly moves. If any of these are defeated, expect their next update to come back with immunity to the move that killed it.

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* Happening in the ''{{MUGEN}}'' ''VideoGame/{{MUGEN}}'' community with "[[UpToEleven Uber]]-[[GameBreaker Cheap]]" characters. We aren't talking about the likes of F1, Omega Tom Hanks, Rare Akuma, Legend Gogeta or A-Bomb here- these guys would die in seconds against an Uber-Cheap. We're talking about things like ChuckNorris Creator/ChuckNorris (obviously), Oni-Miko-Zero (an edit of [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Reimu]] who KILLS the opponent ''before the battle starts''), various modifications of Orochi from ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'' series, and other such chars that cause seizure with their flashy, deadly moves. If any of these are defeated, expect their next update to come back with immunity to the move that killed it.
10th Jul '16 8:22:29 PM Discar
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** ''Film/SuicideSquad'' suggests that this BoxedCrook team would be another factor in trying to ward off Superman in case he turns against the world. Before Superman the knowledge of metahumans was kept to a minimum, but ever since he showed up he's been a "beacon" to pull them out of the shadows.

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** ''Film/SuicideSquad'' ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'' suggests that this BoxedCrook team would be another factor in trying to ward off Superman in case he turns against the world. Before Superman the knowledge of metahumans was kept to a minimum, but ever since he showed up he's been a "beacon" to pull them out of the shadows.
4th Jul '16 6:26:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Parodied| Trope}} in ''TheTick''. The US military made a sentient mustache because "The Russians were working on a ''beard''!"
* Parodied on ''TheSimpsons,'' where Itchy and Scratchy draw progressively bigger weapons on each other and finally end up with enormous pistols that wrap around the globe.

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* {{Parodied| Trope}} in ''TheTick''.''WesternAnimation/TheTick''. The US military made a sentient mustache because "The Russians were working on a ''beard''!"
* Parodied on ''TheSimpsons,'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons,'' where Itchy and Scratchy draw progressively bigger weapons on each other and finally end up with enormous pistols that wrap around the globe.
12th Jun '16 10:26:44 AM WillKeaton
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* At the opening of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Royal Navy and the US Navy was still deploying ''biplanes''.[[note]] in a famous instance, very effectively because they were so ''slow'' they could not be targeted accurately by a battleship's flak batteries[[/note]]. By the end of the war, the Nazis were fielding ''[[CoolPlane jet fighter planes]]'' and ''ballistic missiles'' (the Royal Air Force also had jet fighters, but neither side's jets ever fought the other's). It ended with the United States {{Curb Stomp| Battle}}ing with two ''[[NukeEm atomic bombs]].''
** Similar tactics were seen in localized areas - for example, the Russians built the T-34 to stop the Panzer, so the Germans built the [[TankGoodness Panther and Tiger tanks]] to beat it. The British had already developed night carrier techniques (no one else bothered, which the USN was very thankful for at Pearl Harbor), and once it all kicked off, everyone else scrambled to do the same. When they realized that the Brits fitted armored decks to their aircraft carriers (which made the usual reaction to a Kamikaze attack: "sweepers, man your brooms"), the Japanese built the MXY7 ''Ohka'', essentially a manned cruise missile, to stop them. When it became apparrent that Tiger and Bengal Tiger tanks vastly outclasses Shermans, the USA simply built lots more Shermans and ZergRush-ed them.

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* At the opening of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Royal Navy and the US Navy was still deploying ''biplanes''.[[note]] in [[note]]In a famous instance, very effectively because they were so ''slow'' they could not be targeted accurately by a battleship's flak batteries[[/note]]. batteries.[[/note]] By the end of the war, the Nazis were fielding ''[[CoolPlane jet fighter planes]]'' and ''ballistic missiles'' (the Royal Air Force also had jet fighters, but neither side's jets ever fought the other's). It ended with the United States {{Curb Stomp| Battle}}ing with two ''[[NukeEm atomic bombs]].''
** Similar tactics were seen in localized areas - for example, the Russians built the T-34 to stop the Panzer, so the Germans built the [[TankGoodness Panther and Tiger tanks]] to beat it. The British had already developed night carrier techniques (no one else bothered, which the USN was very thankful for at Pearl Harbor), and once it all kicked off, everyone else scrambled to do the same. When they realized that the Brits fitted armored decks to their aircraft carriers (which made the usual reaction to a Kamikaze attack: "sweepers, man your brooms"), the Japanese built the MXY7 [=MXY7=] ''Ohka'', essentially a manned cruise missile, to stop them. When it became apparrent that Tiger and Bengal Tiger tanks vastly outclasses Shermans, the USA simply built lots more Shermans and ZergRush-ed them.



** The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_beams Battle of the Beams]]. The Germans invented ever more complex systems of radio guidance for their bombers, only to have the British deploy even more complex counter-measures.

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** The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_beams Battle of the Beams]]. Beams.]] The Germans invented ever more complex systems of radio guidance for their bombers, only to have the British deploy even more complex counter-measures.



* In the automotive world, look no further than [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can-Am The Canadian-American Challenge Cup, or Can-Am for short]]. An odd racing series, Can-Am had very few restrictions for cars: if it had an engine and was covered in an enclosed body, it was approved. Soon, companies started to make their cars more and more powerful, leading to races that went to absolutely ''absurd'' heights--by the end of the series, Can-Am cars were going UpToEleven [[SerialEscalation at each successive race]] having crazy amounts of technology, from fans to increased downforce to six-wheeled cars, and regularly having more than ''900'' horsepower. Sadly, the series only lasted about a single decade, because the cars were getting too expensive to make and Porsche was kicking everyone else's asses with their '''''1500'''''-horsepower "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Turbopanzer"]] 917/30KL. Even so, it still was one of the most ridiculous and over-the-top racing series ever.

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* In the automotive world, look no further than [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can-Am The Canadian-American Challenge Cup, or Can-Am for short]]. short.]] An odd racing series, Can-Am had very few restrictions for cars: if it had an engine and was covered in an enclosed body, it was approved. Soon, companies started to make their cars more and more powerful, leading to races that went to absolutely ''absurd'' heights--by the end of the series, Can-Am cars were going UpToEleven [[SerialEscalation at each successive race]] having crazy amounts of technology, from fans to increased downforce to six-wheeled cars, and regularly having more than ''900'' horsepower. Sadly, the series only lasted about a single decade, because the cars were getting too expensive to make and Porsche was kicking everyone else's asses with their '''''1500'''''-horsepower "[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Turbopanzer"]] 917/30KL. Even so, it still was one of the most ridiculous and over-the-top racing series ever.
12th Jun '16 10:25:57 AM WillKeaton
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*** though nowhere near as over-the-top as ''Lensman'' [[note]]Much of the "new" tech is actually existing tech being used in new ways; the realism of this is hotly debated.[[/note]], the series started out as a RecycledInSpace retelling of English and French naval battles of the Napoleonic Wars, and the technology advances mirror actual advances in naval warfare. Smooth-bore cannons to rifled guns (multi-drive missiles). Armor ("bow and stern walls" energy shielding) to aircraft and aircraft carriers ([=LACs=] and [=CLACs=]) to radio (faster-than-light comms) to guided missiles (project Ghost Rider). Submarines are creeping in with [[spoiler:the Mesans' new "stealth" spider drive, and their single-shot laser missile that behaves suspiciously like a homing torpedo.]]

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*** though nowhere near as over-the-top as ''Lensman'' ''Lensman,'' [[note]]Much of the "new" tech is actually existing tech being used in new ways; the realism of this is hotly debated.[[/note]], [[/note]] the series started out as a RecycledInSpace retelling of English and French naval battles of the Napoleonic Wars, and the technology advances mirror actual advances in naval warfare. Smooth-bore cannons to rifled guns (multi-drive missiles). Armor ("bow and stern walls" energy shielding) to aircraft and aircraft carriers ([=LACs=] and [=CLACs=]) to radio (faster-than-light comms) to guided missiles (project Ghost Rider). Submarines are creeping in with [[spoiler:the Mesans' new "stealth" spider drive, and their single-shot laser missile that behaves suspiciously like a homing torpedo.]]



* {{Parodied| Trope}} in ''TheTick''. The US military made a sentient mustache because "The Russians were working on a ''beard''!".

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* {{Parodied| Trope}} in ''TheTick''. The US military made a sentient mustache because "The Russians were working on a ''beard''!".''beard''!"
10th Jun '16 1:17:29 PM Doug86
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** By the middle of its second season, the main named mecha in the show have become flying {{Super Prototype}}s with [[WaveMotionGun radiation waves, hadron cannons]] and [[BeehiveBarrier Beehive Barriers]], only one year after the end of the first season. For comparison, this would be like going from the first jet fighters of WorldWarTwo seven years before the series, to VietnamWar era fighters at the start of the first season, and then the bleeding-edge RealLife [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]] of the modern age only a year later.

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** By the middle of its second season, the main named mecha in the show have become flying {{Super Prototype}}s with [[WaveMotionGun radiation waves, hadron cannons]] and [[BeehiveBarrier Beehive Barriers]], only one year after the end of the first season. For comparison, this would be like going from the first jet fighters of WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII seven years before the series, to VietnamWar era fighters at the start of the first season, and then the bleeding-edge RealLife [[CoolPlane Cool Planes]] of the modern age only a year later.



* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...

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* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...



* One of the main causes of WorldWarI. Particularly significant was the naval arms race between all the Great Powers in general and Britain and Germany in particular, which saw the transformation of the battleship from a mixed-gun, smaller vessel to the gigantic, all-big-gun Dreadnought type, and shortly thereafter increasing numbers of guns, and increases in size, speed, and armor among Dreadnoughts. By the time the War started eight years after HMS ''Dreadnought'' started the trend, the [[BritsWithBattleships Royal Navy]] had already commissioned three four-ship classes (the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Duke_class_battleship Orion]]'' class, the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_George_V_class_battleship King George V]]'' class, and ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Duke_class_battleship Iron Duke]]'' class) of "super-dreadnoughts", all in response to the German campaign to build more and better battleships, which in turn was inspired by the launch of the ''Dreadnought'' in the first place. By the time the Archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo, Britain had 29 battleships, most of them dreadnoughts, with Germany having 17. Ironically, the only time that British and German battleships fought a large battle, it was the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland Battle of Jutland]], a tactical stalemate that can only a be called a strategic victory for Britain by default (the Royal Navy held off the German fleet, maintaining control of the North Sea and the blockade of Germany, but only because two fleets banging futilely into each other tends not to change the status quo).

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* One of the main causes of WorldWarI.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Particularly significant was the naval arms race between all the Great Powers in general and Britain and Germany in particular, which saw the transformation of the battleship from a mixed-gun, smaller vessel to the gigantic, all-big-gun Dreadnought type, and shortly thereafter increasing numbers of guns, and increases in size, speed, and armor among Dreadnoughts. By the time the War started eight years after HMS ''Dreadnought'' started the trend, the [[BritsWithBattleships Royal Navy]] had already commissioned three four-ship classes (the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Duke_class_battleship Orion]]'' class, the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_George_V_class_battleship King George V]]'' class, and ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Duke_class_battleship Iron Duke]]'' class) of "super-dreadnoughts", all in response to the German campaign to build more and better battleships, which in turn was inspired by the launch of the ''Dreadnought'' in the first place. By the time the Archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo, Britain had 29 battleships, most of them dreadnoughts, with Germany having 17. Ironically, the only time that British and German battleships fought a large battle, it was the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland Battle of Jutland]], a tactical stalemate that can only a be called a strategic victory for Britain by default (the Royal Navy held off the German fleet, maintaining control of the North Sea and the blockade of Germany, but only because two fleets banging futilely into each other tends not to change the status quo).



* At the opening of WorldWarII, the Royal Navy and the US Navy was still deploying ''biplanes''.[[note]] in a famous instance, very effectively because they were so ''slow'' they could not be targeted accurately by a battleship's flak batteries[[/note]]. By the end of the war, the Nazis were fielding ''[[CoolPlane jet fighter planes]]'' and ''ballistic missiles'' (the Royal Air Force also had jet fighters, but neither side's jets ever fought the other's). It ended with the United States {{Curb Stomp| Battle}}ing with two ''[[NukeEm atomic bombs]].''

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* At the opening of WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Royal Navy and the US Navy was still deploying ''biplanes''.[[note]] in a famous instance, very effectively because they were so ''slow'' they could not be targeted accurately by a battleship's flak batteries[[/note]]. By the end of the war, the Nazis were fielding ''[[CoolPlane jet fighter planes]]'' and ''ballistic missiles'' (the Royal Air Force also had jet fighters, but neither side's jets ever fought the other's). It ended with the United States {{Curb Stomp| Battle}}ing with two ''[[NukeEm atomic bombs]].''
5th Jun '16 8:26:53 PM karstovich2
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** A peaceful example from the Cold War is the Space Race. The Soviets put a satellite into orbit and get a man into space and back in one piece, so the Americans ramp up their space program and eventually get men onto the moon. Eventually, there was ''détente'', and the US and USSR realized that space is ''enormous'', so the Americans decided to focus on unmanned planetary science and building a shuttle that could do anything for the manned program, and the Soviets/Russians decided to focus on space stations and long-term human spaceflight.

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** A peaceful example from the Cold War is the Space Race. The Soviets put a satellite into orbit and get a man into space and back in one piece, so the Americans ramp up their space program and eventually get men onto the moon. Eventually, there was ''détente'', and the US and USSR realized that space is ''enormous'', so the Americans decided to focus on unmanned planetary science and building a shuttle that could do anything for the manned program, program (provided that "anything" was in Low Earth Orbit), and the Soviets/Russians decided to focus on space stations and long-term human spaceflight.
28th May '16 4:27:02 PM nombretomado
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* Various technology duopolies wage their arms race over consumer dollars. Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. Nvidia, PlayStation vs. XBox. What makes matters worse is that brand new technologies restart the race from scratch.

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* Various technology duopolies wage their arms race over consumer dollars. Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. Nvidia, PlayStation UsefulNotes/PlayStation vs. XBox.UsefulNotes/XBox. What makes matters worse is that brand new technologies restart the race from scratch.
25th May '16 12:51:05 PM cdrood
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* During the early part of the 20th century, there was competition for the title of "World's Tallest Building" which saw each construction taller than the last. To some degree, the competition still goes on, but not to the degree of the last century.
25th May '16 12:37:49 PM cdrood
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* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' franchise has TheEmpire and its successors doing this. There was the original Death Star which could blow up a planet. The second Death Star was even bigger and an improved close range defense. The novels gave us the Sun Crusher which does what its name indicates. TheForceAwakens has Star Killer Base, which is an entire planet that uses an entire sun to power its weapon that can destroy multiple planets at the same time from light years away.
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