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18th Sep '17 8:40:13 PM PaulA
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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer''' "Who's Next?"

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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer''' '''Music/TomLehrer''', "Who's Next?"
Next?", ''Music/ThatWasTheYearThatWas''
17th Sep '17 5:29:20 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...

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* Subverted in the ArthurCClarke Creator/ArthurCClarke short story ''Superiority'', where the side which tries out the new technology in battle (without adequate field tests) ''loses''. This was a clear allegory for UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the German investment in "superweapons" and [[AwesomeButImpractical over-engineered supertanks]] as compared to the Allied investment in, for lack of a better term, [[ZergRush Mnogo Tanks]][[note]]And planes, and machine guns...[[/note]] (for both the US and USSR). Lesson: In industrial war, industrial capacity is more important than the quality of the weapons. Unless, of course, your weapon is The Bomb...
16th Sep '17 5:09:16 PM nombretomado
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** A quintessential example: The Soviets caught wind the American XB-70 Valkyrie in the late 50s; it's a long-range, super-fast bomber intended to scream overhead and have landed before its bombs do. By 1970, they had created the [=MiG=]-25 "Foxbat" interceptor to catch it. The Foxbat is a brick with engines, and needs huge wings to keep it from falling from the sky, but YanksWithTanks saw those huge wings and thought, "Oh-crap, an ultra-maneuverable superfighter!" They spent a fortune developing the F-14 (1974) and F-15 ('76) to beat it. ''This'' caused the RedsWithRockets to [[FollowTheLeader counter with the Su-27 ('84) and MiG-29 ('83)]], which caused ''America'' to field the F-22 Raptor (2005) and F-35 Lightning II (2015). The RussiansWithRustingRockets are scrambling to produce their own fifth-generation fighters, but they are hampered by budget constraints, and so America currently has the edge and can now safely operate the XB-70 Valkyrie. ...Or could, if it hadn't been cancelled. In 1961. [[ShaggyDogStory Before its first flight.]]

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** A quintessential example: The Soviets caught wind the American XB-70 Valkyrie in the late 50s; it's a long-range, super-fast bomber intended to scream overhead and have landed before its bombs do. By 1970, they had created the [=MiG=]-25 "Foxbat" interceptor to catch it. The Foxbat is a brick with engines, and needs huge wings to keep it from falling from the sky, but YanksWithTanks UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks saw those huge wings and thought, "Oh-crap, an ultra-maneuverable superfighter!" They spent a fortune developing the F-14 (1974) and F-15 ('76) to beat it. ''This'' caused the RedsWithRockets to [[FollowTheLeader counter with the Su-27 ('84) and MiG-29 ('83)]], which caused ''America'' to field the F-22 Raptor (2005) and F-35 Lightning II (2015). The RussiansWithRustingRockets are scrambling to produce their own fifth-generation fighters, but they are hampered by budget constraints, and so America currently has the edge and can now safely operate the XB-70 Valkyrie. ...Or could, if it hadn't been cancelled. In 1961. [[ShaggyDogStory Before its first flight.]]
5th Sep '17 6:57:40 PM TheBigBopper
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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster. Having said that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].

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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster. Having said that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization
said that, none of those can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].race.
5th Sep '17 6:56:31 PM TheBigBopper
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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
Having said that, [[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].

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* Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
faster. Having said that, that,
[[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].
5th Sep '17 6:55:31 PM TheBigBopper
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* Deliberately averted by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
** Though [[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].

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* Deliberately averted Defied by Formula One. In theory, it's supposed to be the very top end of racing with the fastest cars anyone can build. However, in order to keep things competitive and prevent one manufacturer dominating if they patent a new design, there are very strict rules implemented on what can actually be done. It's now reached the point where standard consumer technology such as traction control and active suspension is not allowed, and there are even road legal production cars that can go faster.
** Though Having said that, [[CripplingOverspecialization none can actually match an F1 car's performance outside of a straight-line drag race]].
5th Sep '17 6:42:11 PM TheBigBopper
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If a military conflict goes on long enough in a high-tech setting, each side will be struggling to become and remain stronger than the other - often by producing better equipment and weapons. Sometimes, this process of SerialEscalation goes way over the top (especially with SovietSuperscience).

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If a military conflict goes on long enough for any appreciable length of time in a high-tech setting, each side will be struggling to become and remain stronger than the other - often by producing better equipment and weapons. Sometimes, this process of SerialEscalation goes way over the top (especially with SovietSuperscience).
22nd Aug '17 9:40:35 AM WillKeaton
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* This tropes shows up in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels.'' The Empire typically uses fast but non-shielded, fragile, hyperdriveless TIE Fighters and Interceptors. However they use a lot of them to make up for their weaknesses. The Rebels on the other hand use hardier and more versatile fighters, but they have fewer of them. In response to this part way through season three the Empire, under the guidance of Thrawn, begins manufacturing [[spoiler:the fast, shielded, hyperdrive capable, TIE Defender.]]

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* This tropes shows up in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels.'' The Empire typically uses fast but non-shielded, fragile, hyperdriveless TIE Fighters and Interceptors. However they use a lot of them to make up for their weaknesses. The Rebels on the other hand use hardier and more versatile fighters, but they have fewer of them. In response to this this, part way through season three three, the Empire, under the guidance of Thrawn, begins manufacturing [[spoiler:the fast, shielded, hyperdrive capable, TIE Defender.]]
22nd Aug '17 9:39:47 AM WillKeaton
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* This tropes shoes up in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels.'' The Empire typically uses fast but non-shielded, fragile, hyperdriveless TIE Fighters and Interceptors. However they use a lot of them to make up for their weaknesses. The Rebels on the other hand use hardier and more versatile fighters, but they have fewer of them. In response to this part way through season three the Empire, under the guidance of Thrawn, begins manufacturing [[spoiler:the fast, shielded, hyperdrive capable, TIE Defender.]]

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* This tropes shoes shows up in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels.'' The Empire typically uses fast but non-shielded, fragile, hyperdriveless TIE Fighters and Interceptors. However they use a lot of them to make up for their weaknesses. The Rebels on the other hand use hardier and more versatile fighters, but they have fewer of them. In response to this part way through season three the Empire, under the guidance of Thrawn, begins manufacturing [[spoiler:the fast, shielded, hyperdrive capable, TIE Defender.]]
16th Jul '17 9:04:10 AM StarSword
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* ''Literature/KrisLongknife'': One develops in the GuiltFreeExterminationWar against the PlanetLooters that begins in ''Daring'', who have [[WeHaveReserves enormous weight of numbers]] (to the point where the aliens are willing to sacrifice themselves in the ''billions'' to kill their foes) and BeamSpam on their side and learn to innovate with their existing technology quickly (armoring their initially GlassCannon ships with rock, then adding nuclear suicide bombers and ColonyDrop ramships accelerating in from several jumps away), but have worse technology to start with, NoOSHACompliance, and HonorBeforeReason attitudes that discourage experimentation and mean that few survive to learn from their mistakes. The [[TheAlliance human and allied alien forces fighting them]] (led by Kris) start with ships built to post-Iteeche War standards (ice armor and no reactor-fed lasers bigger than 18-inch), but by ''Unrelenting'' (only a couple years later InUniverse) are fielding rapid-fire 22-inch lasers on ships ships built entirely of {{nanomachines}}, able to maneuver at far greater accelerations with the crew staying comfortable, and armored with crystals that re-radiate incoming laser fire. [[spoiler:And then we get to the "beam ships", million-ton behemoths built from ImportedAlienPhlebotinum that are more scientific instrument than warship. They fight as kinetic artillery by using a {{technobabble}} beam to knock small but immensely heavy chunks off of neutron stars at .05 ''c''.]]
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