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15th Sep '16 3:08:49 PM JustRichard
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* ''Film/{{Lock,StockandTwoSmokingBarrels}}'': Big Chris just does the job he is paid to do by Hatchet Harry, which happens to involve violent retrieval of money. He is fair to the protagonists, and even informs them of the true value of their guns. He is also not a sadist, and only loses his cool when the AlwaysChaoticEvil LondonGangster Dog pushes his BerserkButton by threatening Little Chris.

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* ''Film/{{Lock,StockandTwoSmokingBarrels}}'': ''Film/{{Lock,Stock,andTwoSmokingBarrels}}'': Big Chris just does the job he is paid to do by Hatchet Harry, which happens to involve violent retrieval of money. He is fair to the protagonists, and even informs them of the true value of their guns. He is also not a sadist, and only loses his cool when the AlwaysChaoticEvil LondonGangster Dog pushes his BerserkButton by threatening Little Chris.
15th Sep '16 3:07:10 PM JustRichard
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* ''Film/{{Lock,StockandTwoSmokingBarrels}}'': Big Chris just does the job he is paid to do by Hatchet Harry, which happens to involve violent retrieval of money. He is fair to the protagonists, and even informs them of the true value of their guns. He is also not a sadist, and only loses his cool when the AlwaysChaoticEvil LondonGangster Dog pushes his BerserkButton by threatening Little Chris.
3rd Sep '16 12:27:21 PM Tightwire
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Lawful Neutral characters do not always follow ''the'' law. It may involve their own personal code which they adhere to strictly. In other cases, they are extreme supporters of maintaining or restoring order, regardless of how lawful it is. This is especially appropriate in settings where society has broken down -- just because things are bad, doesn't mean they have to get ''worse''. They have certain ideals that a LawfulGood character would agree with, such as not killing unless threatened, and upholding their word, but tend to look out for themselves.



The key here is the desire to preserve order, at any personal cost. The character will be unquestioningly devoted to the written code, either because they don't have the intelligence to apply critical thinking to it, or because while they are intelligent and capable of independent thought when needs be, preservation of the society is the ultimate goal, and it is believed that the Law and the society itself are inescapably the same thing. If the Law is compromised, the society will go with it. Altruism and egoism are generally regarded as irrelevant, with each being considered as potentially dangerous as the other.

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The key here is the desire to preserve or create order, at any personal cost. The character will be unquestioningly devoted to the written code, either because they don't have the intelligence to apply critical thinking to it, or because while they are intelligent and capable of independent thought when needs be, preservation of the society is the ultimate goal, and it is believed that the Law and the society itself are inescapably the same thing. If the Law is compromised, the society will go with it. Altruism and egoism are generally regarded as irrelevant, with each being considered as potentially dangerous as the other.
3rd Sep '16 12:25:06 PM Tightwire
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* '''Equality Under the Law:''' Some believe in putting the Rules ahead of everything else -- they will hold those above them to it as surely as they will those below, without regard to authority (unless said rules ''favour'' authority, of course), but will follow the rules to the letter. In contrast to those who hold to Authority First and Foremost, this character follows the content, not the context -- they ''believe'' in these rules, with a passion, and will pretty much equate them with moral truth. In other words, they see themselves as LawfulGood, but fail to qualify because they or the rules they follow are not quite moral enough. More extreme cases might fall under BlueAndOrangeMorality, and they might run the risk of being bigots towards other cultures and codes of law. Essentially, this is those who do not justify the Law with arguments about there not being anything better, but those that argue that these Laws ''are'' the better, and may resist even legal attempts to change them. They are also the most likely to hold their superiors to account for failing to follow the rules, whether for heroic reasons or villainous ones. May or not may be LawfulStupid.
* '''Internal Moral Compass:''' This character follows a personal code, including those that have been organized by another -- for example, a warrior code or a religious creed -- or one they have constructed for themselves. They will obey this code rigidly and to the letter, and it will usually supersede (but make allowances for) any of the other types, but it (or their devotion to it) is too rigid for them to be considered Chaotic, even if it puts them at odds with the established system of law and order, while they lack the moral or immoral conviction to be considered Good or Evil. At their best, they will obey the spirit as well as the letter of their codes, or at least try to or recognize that they must, but at their worst, they can become a PrinciplesZealot or a TautologicalTemplar who puts their own code -- and their own ''interpretation'' of said code -- above all else.
* '''The Lawmaker:''' This character arises in a vacuum -- they find themselves in a situation where neither Authority nor the Rules apply, such as an AfterTheEnd scenario where law and order have broken down, and seek to establish order (or follow another who does). Typically, they will appeal to a preestablished system as the basis -- murder is wrong because it ''used'' to be wrong, or because civilized societies are expected to have outlawed such acts. It can also occur where there ''is'' a sense of order, just not one that the character recognizes as valid, such as a WretchedHive where the "order" comes from corruption and MightMakesRight, or more dubiously, a working society they deem to be chaotic or inferior. In ''these'' cases, they will probably appeal to their own rules or the rules of their own society or culture. At their best, they will bring a sense of structure and justice to a volatile situation, but at their worst, this type can slide into bigotry and tyranny, worsened by the fact that they are basically making the rules from scratch.

Any of these types can fall into LawfulStupid (as can either LawfulEvil or LawfulGood) if they are not careful, and not thinking critically enough. However, none of them automatically equate to it, and each has as good a chance of being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure or equivalent as the next.

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* '''Equality Under the Law:''' Some believe in putting the Rules ahead of everything else -- The Law applies to everybody, friend or foe, superior or subordinate. At worst they will hold those above them to it as surely as they will those below, without regard to authority (unless said rules ''favour'' authority, of course), but will follow the rules to the letter. In contrast to those who hold to Authority First and Foremost, this character follows the content, not the context -- they ''believe'' in these rules, with a passion, and will pretty much equate them with moral truth. In other words, they see themselves as LawfulGood, but fail to qualify because they or the rules they follow are not quite moral enough. More extreme cases might fall under BlueAndOrangeMorality, and they might run the risk of being bigots towards other cultures and codes of law. Essentially, this is those who they do not justify the Law with arguments about there not being anything better, but those that argue that these Laws ''are'' the better, and may resist even legal attempts to change them. They are also the most likely to hold their superiors to account for failing to follow the rules, whether for heroic reasons or villainous ones. May or not may be LawfulStupid.
* '''Internal Moral Compass:''' This character follows a personal code, including those that have been organized organised by another -- for example, a warrior code or a religious creed -- or one they have constructed for themselves. They will obey this code rigidly and to the letter, and it will usually supersede (but make allowances for) any of the other types, but it (or their devotion to it) is too rigid for them to be considered Chaotic, even if it puts them at odds with the established system of law and order, while they lack the moral or immoral conviction to be considered Good or Evil. At their best, they will obey the spirit as well as the letter of their codes, or at least try to or recognize recognise that they must, but at their worst, they can become a PrinciplesZealot or a TautologicalTemplar who puts their own code -- and their own ''interpretation'' of said code -- above all else.
* '''The Lawmaker:''' This character arises in a vacuum -- they find themselves in a situation where neither Authority nor the Rules apply, such as an AfterTheEnd scenario where law and order have broken down, and seek to establish order (or follow another who does). Typically, they will appeal to a preestablished pre-established system as the basis -- murder is wrong because it ''used'' to be wrong, or because civilized civilised societies are expected to have outlawed such acts. It can also occur where there ''is'' a sense of order, just not one that the character recognizes recognises as valid, such as a WretchedHive where the "order" comes from corruption and MightMakesRight, or more dubiously, a working society they deem to be chaotic or inferior. In ''these'' cases, they will probably appeal to their own rules or the rules of their own society or culture. At their best, they will bring a sense of structure and justice to a volatile situation, but at their worst, this type can slide into bigotry and tyranny, worsened by the fact that they are basically making the rules from scratch.

Any of these types can fall into LawfulStupid (as can either LawfulEvil or LawfulGood) if they are not careful, and not thinking critically enough. However, none of them automatically equate to it, and each has as good a chance of being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure or equivalent as the next.
27th Aug '16 4:42:04 PM ading
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* Rorschach from ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' believes life has no intrinsic morality to it and crafted a moral code for himself that he sticks to unfailingly and judges everyone else by -- the core of it being that if you do anything he judges 'evil', you are fair game to have anything happen to you (and in a classical case of MoralMyopia, the actions Rorschach and other vigilantes undertake in the pursuit of criminals never bother him). [[spoiler:In the end this causes him to reject the BigBad's plan to save the world because he'll rather see the world burn than betray his principles and let evil go unpunished.]]

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Rorschach from ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' believes life has no intrinsic morality to it and crafted a moral code for himself that he sticks to unfailingly and judges everyone else by -- the core of it being that if you do anything he judges 'evil', you are fair game to have anything happen to you (and in a classical case of MoralMyopia, the actions Rorschach and other vigilantes undertake in the pursuit of criminals never bother him). [[spoiler:In the end this causes him to reject the BigBad's plan to save the world because he'll rather see the world burn than betray his principles and let evil go unpunished.]]]]
** Ozymandias is a complicated case, but probably fits best here. While his actions-depopulating New York, [[spoiler:giving a dozen innocent people cancer to discredit Dr. Manhattan, cold-bloodedly murdering his absolutely loyal refugee servants to prevent them being a loose end, and pulling a You Have Outlived Your Usefulness on his loving pet Bubastis in an attempt to kill Dr. Manhattan, which turns out not to work]]-certainly seem like the actions of an evil character, he was only trying to avert a nuclear war that could potentially wipe out all life on Earth.
27th Aug '16 4:23:32 PM ading
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* Hermes Conrad from ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' is comically obsessed with meticulously following every aspect of bureaucratic regulations, and doesn't really care if his coworkers live or die.
20th Aug '16 1:29:52 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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* ThePunisher.

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* ThePunisher. His vision of an orderly society involves shooting every single mobster, terrorist, serial killer, and miscellaneous scumbag he can find. Good characters who interfere with his plans are treated better than his usual targets, but are still subject to nasty injuries if he deems it necessary. However, he'll never intentionally kill them or any civilians.
15th Aug '16 4:30:51 AM Carnel
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** ''Lots'' of characters in ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' are Lawful Neutral, usually by the virtue of being a BattleButler: Sakuya to Remillia, the aforementioned Youmu to Yuyuko, Eirin to Kaguya, Toramaru to Byakuren (borderline LawfulGood).

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** ''Lots'' of characters in ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' are Lawful Neutral, usually by the virtue of being a BattleButler: Sakuya to Remillia, Remillia (though she's been warned before that she lies dangerously close to teetering off into LawfulEvil), the aforementioned Youmu to Yuyuko, Eirin to Kaguya, Toramaru to Byakuren (borderline LawfulGood).
7th Aug '16 3:40:10 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* A lot of the races of ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] Covenantcould be described as Lawful Neutral. The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Sangheili/Elites]] are very dedicated to their [[HonorBeforeReason honor codes]]; the [[WormThatWalks Mgalekgolo/Hunters]] as well (though not so extreme); the [[BeePeople Yanme'e/Drones]] don't seem to have much individual initiative outside of their queens, and the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Jiralhanae/Brutes]] know that questioning orders [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority will result in a very bad day]].

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* A lot of the races of ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] Covenantcould Covenant could be described as Lawful Neutral. The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Sangheili/Elites]] are very dedicated to their [[HonorBeforeReason honor codes]]; the [[WormThatWalks Mgalekgolo/Hunters]] as well (though not so extreme); the [[BeePeople Yanme'e/Drones]] don't seem to have much individual initiative outside of their queens, and the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Jiralhanae/Brutes]] know that questioning orders [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority will result in a very bad day]].
7th Aug '16 3:39:42 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* A lot of the races of [[Franchise/{{Halo}} the Covenant]] could be described as Lawful Neutral. The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Sangheili/Elites]] are very dedicated to their [[HonorBeforeReason honor codes]]; the [[WormThatWalks Mgalekgolo/Hunters]] as well (though not so extreme); the [[BeePeople Yanme'e/Drones]] don't seem to have much individual initiative outside their HiveMind to think beyond their orders, and the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Jiralhanae/Brutes]] know that questioning orders [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority will result in a very bad day]].

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* A lot of the races of [[Franchise/{{Halo}} the Covenant]] could ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] Covenantcould be described as Lawful Neutral. The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Sangheili/Elites]] are very dedicated to their [[HonorBeforeReason honor codes]]; the [[WormThatWalks Mgalekgolo/Hunters]] as well (though not so extreme); the [[BeePeople Yanme'e/Drones]] don't seem to have much individual initiative outside of their HiveMind to think beyond their orders, queens, and the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Jiralhanae/Brutes]] know that questioning orders [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority will result in a very bad day]].
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