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28th Sep '16 7:51:09 PM eowynjedi
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* ''Series/WolfHall''
** In episode 4, Thomas Cromwell warns Henry VIII that their legal basis for trying Thomas More as a traitor is thin. Henry replies that he keeps Cromwell around because he's a "serpent" who can get it done, with an implicit threat of beheading should he fail. Although he is a little conflicted about bringing down More (whom he respects but also resents for anti-Protestant activities that have cost Cromwell several friends), Cromwell buckles down and entraps him by way of Richard Rich.
** Episode 6 features the trial against Anne Boleyn and her five accused lovers. Cromwell whips up a case from Lady Rochford's spiteful gossip--which may or may not be true--and by terrorizing Mark Smeaton into naming a LongList of names that includes the five men who played demons in the 'Send Cardinal Wolsey to Hell Masque'. Cromwell seizes his chance to avenge the insult, and a couple of them have threatened Cromwell personally to boot. He then uses rumors, courtroom tricks, and circumstantial evidence to convict Anne Boleyn and those five men. Whether or not the accusations are really true is immaterial, and Cromwell's line to Harry Norris indicates he might not believe them himself.
-->"I need guilty men. So I found men who ''are guilty.'' Though not necessarily as charged."
12th Sep '16 8:34:49 PM Trialman
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*** Spirit of Justice turns it up well past 11 for the final trial, [[spoiler:with the prosecution taken over by the [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen country's queen]], who can [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrite the law on the spot]]. That doesn't even get into her actually taking judging duties, such as giving out penalties, or even [[HangingJudge trying to declare a 'guilty' verdict herself without allowing a counter-argument]]. She even uses her law book as a gavel.]]
12th Sep '16 4:11:13 PM SuperSonicHeroes
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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' had one in the season 5 finale. The community Alexandria holds a meeting one night to decide what to do with Rick after he went crazy in the streets last episode waving a gun around and threatening to take over. Despite various members of the group speaking in Rick's defense and how Alexandria needs him, the town seems convinced to expel him. Before a decision can be made though, Rick comes in and reveals he stopped several walker that made it through the gate before they could kill anyone. He makes a speech about how he will protect Alexandria and then [[spoiler:Pete comes in a tries to kill him with Michoone's katana. He accidentally kills [[CoolOldGuy Reg]] instead and Deanna gives Rick permission to kill Pete.]] The town meeting ends with the decision for Rick to stay.
12th Sep '16 11:18:30 AM Az_Tech341
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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' had one in the season 5 finale. The community Alexandria holds a meeting one night to decide what to do with Rick after he went crazy in the streets last episode waving a gun around and threatening to take over. Despite various members of the group speaking in Rick's defense and how Alexandria needs him, the town seems convinced to expel him. Before a decision can be made though, Rick comes in and reveals he stopped several walker that made it through the gate before they could kill anyone. He makes a speech about how he will protect Alexandria and then [[spoiler:Pete comes in a tries to kill him with Michoone's katana. He accidentally kills [[CoolOldGuy Reg]] instead and Deanna gives Rick permission to kill Pete.]] The town meeting ends with the decision for Rick to stay.
12th Sep '16 10:55:52 AM SuperSonicHeroes
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* ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' had one in the season 5 finale. The community Alexandria holds a meeting one night to decide what to do with Rick after he went crazy in the streets last episode waving a gun around and threatening to take over. Despite various members of the group speaking in Rick's defense and how Alexandria needs him, the town seems convinced to expel him. Before a decision can be made though, Rick comes in and reveals he stopped several walker that made it through the gate before they could kill anyone. He makes a speech about how he will protect Alexandria and then [[spoiler:Pete comes in a tries to kill him with Michoone's katana. He accidentally kills [[CoolOldGuy Reg]] instead and Deanna gives Rick permission to kill Pete.]] The town meeting ends with the decision for Rick to stay.
10th Sep '16 12:34:03 PM Vir
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* Happens exclusively in ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' franchise; you can debunk every piece of evidence pointing towards your client (which is considered sufficient in real life, as the defense has nothing to prove), but they're ''still'' not off the hook until you can actually ''prove'' their innocence by catching the real killer. This is perhaps justified by RuleOfFun. Still, the incompetence of the games' current court system becomes more apparent as the series goes on and reaches a head in the third case of the fourth game, and Phoenix actually is so frustrated with this -- [[spoiler: especially since it ''cost him his career'']] -- that he begins a quiet crusade to reinstate the jury system and succeeds in getting a test run in the same game's fourth case. It's [[{{Narm}} unintentionally hilarious]] when the judge explains that jury systems work by virtue of ''normal citizens having common sense''. When [[spoiler: Ron Delite confesses he was the thief when Phoenix already proved him innocent]], the judge outright says, "What kind of a kangaroo court do you think this is?"[[note]]It should be noted that the ''Ace Attorney'' series is based on the Japanese court system, which is notorious for its ridiculously high conviction rate, which can lead to a heavy dose ValuesDissonance for Western players and led the localization team to put in some lines handwaving the dramatic differences between the game's court system and the American court system of today. The jury system was introduced as a TakeThat to Japan's trial-by-judge system and to promote trial by jury which is a largely foreign concept over there.[[/note]]

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* Happens exclusively in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' franchise; you can debunk every piece of evidence pointing towards your client (which is considered sufficient in real life, as the defense has nothing to prove), but they're ''still'' not off the hook until you can actually ''prove'' their innocence by catching the real killer. This is perhaps justified by RuleOfFun. Still, the incompetence of the games' current court system becomes more apparent as the series goes on and reaches a head in the third case of the fourth game, and Phoenix actually is so frustrated with this -- [[spoiler: especially since it ''cost him his career'']] -- that he begins a quiet crusade to reinstate the jury system and succeeds in getting a test run in the same game's fourth case. It's [[{{Narm}} unintentionally hilarious]] when the judge explains that jury systems work by virtue of ''normal citizens having common sense''. When [[spoiler: Ron Delite confesses he was the thief when Phoenix already proved him innocent]], the judge outright says, "What kind of a kangaroo court do you think this is?"[[note]]It should be noted that the ''Ace Attorney'' series is based on the Japanese court system, which is notorious for its ridiculously high conviction rate, which can lead to a heavy dose ValuesDissonance for Western players and led the localization team to put in some lines handwaving the dramatic differences between the game's court system and the American court system of today. The jury system was introduced as a TakeThat to Japan's trial-by-judge system and to promote trial by jury which is a largely foreign concept over there.[[/note]]
9th Sep '16 6:02:46 AM infernape612
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* Taken UpToEleven in ''Videogame/ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'', where the Judge is not biased towards the prosecution - he is ''impatiently looking forward to calling your client guilty'' as soon as you make one wrong turn, so he can gladly condemn them to [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath burn in the fire alive and watch them reduced into ashes]]. Meanwhile, the audience cheers for the prosecution even while you are destroying their arguments and the witnesses will change their testimony a hundred times and make up any lies necessary to prove that the defendant is an evil despicable witch who deserves to be burnt alive. [[WitchHunt Witch Trial, indeed.]]

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* ** Taken UpToEleven in ''Videogame/ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'', where the Judge is not biased towards the prosecution - he is ''impatiently looking forward to calling your client guilty'' as soon as you make one wrong turn, so he can gladly condemn them to [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath burn in the fire alive and watch them reduced into ashes]]. Meanwhile, the audience cheers for the prosecution even while you are destroying their arguments and the witnesses will change their testimony a hundred times and make up any lies necessary to prove that the defendant is an evil despicable witch who deserves to be burnt alive. [[WitchHunt Witch Trial, indeed.]]]]
** It gets even ''worse'' in ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]''. In Khura'in, defense attorneys are culturally considered to be evil, lying demons, the decisions are almost entirely based on the word of a 14-year old and her powers to summon dead spirits, and the accused actually contesting the charges is considered blasphemy. At least in Labyrinthia, you're still guaranteed counsel and MagicAIsMagicA.
4th Sep '16 1:45:50 PM JMQwilleran
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* In ''The Golem's Eye'' from ''Literature/TheBartimaeusTrilogy'', we learn that when Kitty Jones, one of the protagonists, was 13, she and her friend Jakob were viciously attacked by a magician who set a demon to cast the Black Tumbler on them. Kitty, possessing Resilience, was only knocked out for a few hours, but Jakob was severely disfigured for life and temporarily blinded. Following the incident, Kitty was invited to bring her case to court. Even though all of her friends and family urged her to decline the invitation, ''knowing'' that it would be a kangaroo court and she would get nothing like justice, she accepted anyway. Things seemed to go well enough at first, with the magician not being present at the start of the hearing and being put down for contempt of court, while Kitty is allowed to tell her side. Sure enough, however, once the magician, Tallow, arrives, he tells his version of events which excoriates her and Jakob and presents himself as a saint. The judge is a fourth-level magician and Tallow's story is accepted without question. Kitty is made to pay a fine of 100 pounds for wasting the court's time, plus a further fine that is much more massive for Tallow's contempt of court in being late, as the loser pays all costs. This is the start of Kitty's days with LaResistance, as the leader of the Resistance group is present at the hearing and realizes based on Kitty's version of events that she possesses Resilience. He offers to pay her fee and has her join the group.
4th Sep '16 4:51:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[Creator/{{Cicero}} Marcus Tullius Cicero]], most famed orator and lawyer of the late [[TheRomanRepublic Roman Republic]], lost only one case (that we know of.) He lost that case because the man on trial [[RefugeInAudacity accidentally-on-purpose murdered his political rival in full view of hundreds of witnesses]], and more importantly (for he had gotten people off worse), at the trial there were a great many armed soldiers wanting a conviction and looking at him meaningfully throughout the proceedings. Cicero's defense in this case, Pro Milone, could not even be completed, because Clodius (the victim, and a very popular man against whom many knew Cicero held a personal grudge) still had many living supporters, all of whom showed up on the day of the trial and caused a riot in the middle of Cicero's speech. Cicero was never even offered the chance to finish arguing his case. Milo, Cicero's client, is said to have later read the oration and said "If you'd finished reading this, I'd have won." The Roman court system was not known for its unshakable impartiality.

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* [[Creator/{{Cicero}} Marcus Tullius Cicero]], most famed orator and lawyer of the late [[TheRomanRepublic [[UsefulNotes/TheRomanRepublic Roman Republic]], lost only one case (that we know of.) He lost that case because the man on trial [[RefugeInAudacity accidentally-on-purpose murdered his political rival in full view of hundreds of witnesses]], and more importantly (for he had gotten people off worse), at the trial there were a great many armed soldiers wanting a conviction and looking at him meaningfully throughout the proceedings. Cicero's defense in this case, Pro Milone, could not even be completed, because Clodius (the victim, and a very popular man against whom many knew Cicero held a personal grudge) still had many living supporters, all of whom showed up on the day of the trial and caused a riot in the middle of Cicero's speech. Cicero was never even offered the chance to finish arguing his case. Milo, Cicero's client, is said to have later read the oration and said "If you'd finished reading this, I'd have won." The Roman court system was not known for its unshakable impartiality.
3rd Sep '16 12:12:52 PM iowaforever
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*The Animated Adaptation of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' has a scene where Commissioner Gordon is brought into a room designed to look like a courtroom. [[VisualPun The jury box is filled with kangaroo statues]] while the Joker acts as prosecutor.
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