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21st May '16 2:08:47 PM erforce
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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.

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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.
6th May '16 11:15:33 PM Doug86
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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.

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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllInTheManual AllThereInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.
4th May '16 8:14:53 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Film/{{Jumper}}'', the Paladins are concerned that the Jumpers will use their powers for selfish gain at the expense of others. In fact, they are right. However, they stop them by straight up murdering all Jumpers they come across and anyone associated with them, turning them into the bad guys.

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* In ''Film/{{Jumper}}'', the Paladins are concerned that the Jumpers will use their powers for selfish gain at the expense of others. In fact, they are right. However, they stop them by straight up murdering all Jumpers they come across and anyone associated with them, turning them into the bad guys. It also doesn't help that they use religious rhetoric to justify their actions, coming off as {{Knight Templar}}s.
16th Apr '16 6:23:41 AM narm00
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** The Doctor himself jumps from the top of the slope to the bottom in the last 10 or so minutes of "The Waters of Mars". After having spent the whole episode with a group of people destined to die, the Doctor snaps and decides to save them after most of them have already been killed. Just moments after saving the remaining people (in the most epic way possible), The Doctor decides that he can mess with the timeline in any way he sees fit, completely ignoring his species' laws. At this point, the Doctor is almost antagonistic. Thankfully the Doctor is only in this state for one scene, and is brought down a couple of pegs before he can really do anything.
** It's implied in "The Runaway Bride" and more-or-less stated in "Journey's End" that the reason Doctor travels around with a companion is so that he has someone to remind him not to do this, since he can so much power and gets into such intense and painful situations it would be hard for him not to slip, and hard for anyone to stop him once he starts sliding.

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** The Doctor himself jumps from the top of the slope to the bottom in the last 10 or so minutes of "The Waters of Mars". After having spent the whole episode with a group of people destined to die, the Doctor snaps and decides to save them after most of them have already been killed. Just moments after saving the remaining people (in the most epic way possible), The the Doctor decides that he can mess with the timeline in any way he sees fit, completely ignoring his species' laws. At this point, the Doctor is almost antagonistic. Thankfully the Doctor is only in this state for one scene, and is brought down a couple of pegs before he can really do anything.
** It's implied in "The Runaway Bride" and more-or-less stated in "Journey's End" that the reason the Doctor travels around with a companion is so that he has someone to remind him not to do this, since he can has so much power and gets into such intense and painful situations it would be hard for him not to slip, and hard for anyone to stop him once he starts sliding.



* ''{{Charmed}}'' has a twist on this in Season 2's "Morality Bites"; after the sisters use their powers to pull a vengeful yet relatively harmless prank on a man who continually lets his dog defecate on their driveway, Phoebe has a premonition of being burned at the stake for killing someone with her powers a decade in the future. One adventure later, they are sent back to that point in time to prevent falling prey to this trope, worded well by Phoebe:

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* ''{{Charmed}}'' ''Series/{{Charmed}}'' has a twist on this in Season 2's "Morality Bites"; after the sisters use their powers to pull a vengeful yet relatively harmless prank on a man who continually lets his dog defecate on their driveway, Phoebe has a premonition of being burned at the stake for killing someone with her powers a decade in the future. One adventure later, they are sent back to that point in time to prevent falling prey to this trope, worded well by Phoebe:



** This applies to all World of Darkness games and is a large part of the new system.
** The old system was an aversion; the more humanity you lost, the harder it was to lose the next point, the more extreme your behavior would have to be. Only if you're determined to destroy your humanity (or your Gamemaster paves your path with {{Sadistic Choice}}s,) could you slip past a certain point, but it wouldn't happen by accident.
*** It wasn't supposed to be an aversion because as the character's [[KarmaMeter Humanity]] dropped, the character's sense of morality did as well. Yes, by the time you're Humanity is down to 3, say, it took doing something truly depraved to drop it any further, but by the time you're down that far, you consider murder to be roughly the equivalent of breaking the speed limit, so there isn't much keeping you from going even farther. However, since in reality a player character's morality is determined by the player, in practice this rarely came into play.

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** This applies to all World of Darkness games and is a large part of [[TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness the new system.
system]].
** [[TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness The old system was system]] is an aversion; the more humanity you lost, lose, the harder it was is to lose the next point, the more extreme your behavior would have has to be. Only if you're determined to destroy your humanity (or your Gamemaster paves your path with {{Sadistic Choice}}s,) could Choice}}s) can you slip past a certain point, but it wouldn't happen by accident.
*** It wasn't isn't supposed to be an aversion because as the character's [[KarmaMeter Humanity]] dropped, drops, the character's sense of morality did does as well. Yes, by the time you're your Humanity is down to 3, say, it took takes doing something truly depraved to drop it any further, but by the time you're down that far, you consider murder to be roughly the equivalent of breaking the speed limit, so there isn't much keeping you from going even farther. However, since in reality a player character's morality is determined by the player, in practice this rarely came comes into play.



* ''{{Exalted}}'': Averted. [[DealWithTheDevil Pledging yourself]] as an [[BlackKnight Abyssal]] or [[KnightInSourArmor Infernal Exalt]] might seem like this trope, since it requires pledging loyalty to the [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] or [[AbusivePrecursors Yozis]], respectively. However, it's entirely possible (if not somewhat difficult) to [[TheAtoner go renegade]] and do your own thing, if you decide that being a CardCarryingVillain is for suckers.

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* ''{{Exalted}}'': ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'': Averted. [[DealWithTheDevil Pledging yourself]] as an [[BlackKnight Abyssal]] or [[KnightInSourArmor Infernal Exalt]] might seem like this trope, since it requires pledging loyalty to the [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] or [[AbusivePrecursors Yozis]], respectively. However, it's entirely possible (if not somewhat difficult) to [[TheAtoner go renegade]] and do your own thing, if you decide that being a CardCarryingVillain is for suckers.



* ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' has a lot of this: {{Superman}} doesn't just jump, he flies in the highest speed he can through the slope after being tricked into killing Lois and then killing Joker in retaliation, establishing a totalitarian dictatorship where in exchange of his "protection", everyone that even dares to protest his method get swift death, as exemplified by what happened to that universe's Green Arrow [[spoiler:and later Shazam, and according to the backstory, Hawkman, causing Hawkgirl to retaliate in vengeance, only to be {{Brainwashed}} into servitude]]. He does it a second time when he goes from maintaining order with an iron fist -- and demonstrably creating a peaceful world at the expense of a few lives, and freedom of course -- to flattening cities himself because people don't agree. Via backstory, we see the only surviving ComicBook/TeenTitans being Cyborg and Raven, both end up disillusioned and Raven ends up giving in to Trigon's influence, gaining lust on torture and becoming Trigon's worshipper instead of trying to prevent his coming. And while Damian Wayne [[spoiler:did accidentally kill Dick Grayson, he didn't look back in regret and goes far worse than before because Superman, being his 'new father figure', got to convince him to stay in the extremist way]]. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman is unquestioningly convinced of Superman's "logic" for some reason, even after it gets clearly to the point of just doing those things he's supposed to be preventing. One man jumping off, the others follow suit in varying level.

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* ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' has a lot of this: {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} doesn't just jump, he flies in the highest speed he can through the slope after being tricked into killing Lois and then killing Joker in retaliation, establishing a totalitarian dictatorship where in exchange of his "protection", everyone that even dares to protest his method get swift death, as exemplified by what happened to that universe's Green Arrow [[spoiler:and later Shazam, and according to the backstory, Hawkman, causing Hawkgirl to retaliate in vengeance, only to be {{Brainwashed}} into servitude]]. He does it a second time when he goes from maintaining order with an iron fist -- and demonstrably creating a peaceful world at the expense of a few lives, and freedom of course -- to flattening cities himself because people don't agree. Via backstory, we see the only surviving ComicBook/TeenTitans being Cyborg and Raven, Raven; both end up disillusioned and Raven ends up giving in to Trigon's influence, gaining a lust on of torture and becoming Trigon's worshipper instead of trying to prevent his coming. And while Damian Wayne [[spoiler:did accidentally kill Dick Grayson, he didn't look back in regret and goes far worse than before because Superman, being his 'new father figure', got to convince him to stay in the extremist way]]. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman is unquestioningly convinced of Superman's "logic" for some reason, even after it gets clearly to the point of just doing those things he's supposed to be preventing. One man jumping off, the others follow suit in varying level.
7th Apr '16 10:08:26 AM Gorthaff
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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', Lelouch Lamperouge wanted to destroy the Empire of Britannia (despite being an ex-Imperial Prince) and started to organize LaResistance. However, as time passes, he becomes more hardened and crazy, going as far as [[spoiler: massacring children and unarmed people for possessing Geass powers and being a part of a Britannian-sponsored cult... which ''trained'' the children in it to use ''their'' Geass to make a guy murder his own allies. Let us not forget Rolo, THE TykeBomb of the series, was raised there too.]]

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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', Lelouch Lamperouge wanted to destroy the Empire of Britannia (despite being an ex-Imperial Prince) and started to organize LaResistance. He starts out sane and unquestionably morally right, but increasingly horrible incidents cause him to turn darker and darker. Both seasons, near the end have a point where he takes a massive dive into the darkness.However, as time passes, he becomes more hardened and crazy, by the end going as far as [[spoiler: massacring children and unarmed people for possessing Geass powers and being a part of a Britannian-sponsored cult... which ''trained'' the children in it to use ''their'' Geass to make a guy murder his own allies. Let us not forget Rolo, THE TykeBomb of the series, was raised there too.]]
21st Feb '16 8:38:35 PM ASCE
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* Koba in ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' does this terribly. Originally, he starts out as a [[VillainHasAPoint Villain With a Point]], making some good points about the need to protect themselves from humans, as well as being a self demonstrating example of the terrible things that humans can do. It doesn't help that Caesar's good faith is continually undermined by one trigger happy idiot who almost single-handedly exacerbates the conflict of the film. Jumps off at the point when he finds the armory, with humans training with the weapons. Instead of flat out telling Caesar that humans are actively planning to kill them (which may have made Caesar actively fight against the humans), he instead says nothing, so as to set up a contrived plan where he shoots Caesar, takes command, and uses the human armory to take over the human city. Even at this point, Koba is still in WellIntentionedExtremist territory - he is technically right about everything he has said about humans, and he definitely shows that is willing to lead from the front in fighting the humans, so it can't be said that he's merely power hungry and cowardly - it can be argued that Koba really thought that there was a clear and present danger to apes that Caesar could or would not stand up against, and this was the cause of his behavior. The writers resort to having Koba kill Ash, one of the younger apes, when Ash refuses to slaughter humans after it's clear that the humans are beaten, in order to force him to be the bad guy, and his point of view to be wrong.
23rd Jan '16 6:08:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]]. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of [[TheDarkSide the dark side]] it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.
** Kylo Ren from ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' murders without remorse and mind-rapes the hero Rey, but he's unstable, a bit psychotic, desperate to live up to the memory of Darth Vader and scared he might have too much of the Light in him. In short, Kylo comes off as a rather pathetic figure who tries too hard to be evil. He solves his problem by [[Moral Event Horizon crossing the ultimate horizon]]: [[spoiler:he kills his own father, '''Han Solo''']].

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*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]].KnightTemplar. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of [[TheDarkSide the dark side]] TheDarkSide it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.
** Kylo Ren from ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' murders without remorse and mind-rapes the hero Rey, but he's unstable, a bit psychotic, desperate to live up to the memory of Darth Vader and scared he might have too much of the Light in him. In short, Kylo comes off as a rather pathetic figure who tries too hard to be evil. He solves his problem by [[Moral Event Horizon [[MoralEventHorizon crossing the ultimate horizon]]: [[spoiler:he kills his own father, '''Han Solo''']].
23rd Jan '16 5:48:49 PM LongLiveHumour
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*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]]. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of [[TheDarkSide the dark side]] it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.

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*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[StarWarsExpandedUniverse [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]]. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of [[TheDarkSide the dark side]] it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.him.
** Kylo Ren from ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' murders without remorse and mind-rapes the hero Rey, but he's unstable, a bit psychotic, desperate to live up to the memory of Darth Vader and scared he might have too much of the Light in him. In short, Kylo comes off as a rather pathetic figure who tries too hard to be evil. He solves his problem by [[Moral Event Horizon crossing the ultimate horizon]]: [[spoiler:he kills his own father, '''Han Solo''']].
22nd Jan '16 4:50:01 PM bravo104
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** He does, however, [[spoiler: start a redemptive arc after being twisted into Ramsay Bolton's "Reek"; at the end of the book, he finally decides to help Jeyne Poole escape the tyranny of the Boltons.]]
30th Dec '15 12:40:14 AM Anddrix
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** And for that matter, Doctor Destiny's origin story in "[[Recap/{{JusticeLeagueS2E5And6OnlyADream}} Only a Dream]]". At first, he seems to be a fairly decent guy whose big mistake was simply getting hired as a guard by SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor, and the story starts raising questions about WhatMeasureIsAMook and the hypocrisy of the henchmen going to prison and having their lives ruined while the villains themselves keep getting away scott-free. But once he gains superpowers himself, his RoaringRampageOfRevenge throws him right off the slippery slope, and into territory that even Lex never touched, with lemming-like gusto.

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** And for that matter, Doctor Destiny's origin story in "[[Recap/{{JusticeLeagueS2E5And6OnlyADream}} Only a Dream]]". At first, he seems to be a fairly decent guy whose big mistake was simply getting hired as a guard by SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor, ComicBook/LexLuthor, and the story starts raising questions about WhatMeasureIsAMook and the hypocrisy of the henchmen going to prison and having their lives ruined while the villains themselves keep getting away scott-free. But once he gains superpowers himself, his RoaringRampageOfRevenge throws him right off the slippery slope, and into territory that even Lex never touched, with lemming-like gusto.
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