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11th Jan '18 7:41:16 AM erforce
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-->--'''The Joker''', ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''

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-->--'''The -->-- '''The Joker''', ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''



* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Comicbook/{{Legacy}}'' Emperor Roan Fel is willing to use Sith powers to get his Empire back. [[spoiler:He finally slips to the dark side when he plans to use a bio weapon on Coruscant to wipe out the Sith, unbeknown to him they are immune to it, but it will kill his allies and billions of lives still on the planet.]]
* Dealt with in a two-issue arc of ''New Comicbook/XMen'' involving Prodigy, a student at the Xavier Institute with the ability to absorb the knowledge of anyone in the immediate vicinity, but ''only'' as long as they're in the immediate vicinity. When Emma Frost discovers that he's subconsciously put a block in his mind that prevents him from retaining the knowledge permanently, David asks Emma to remove the block, figuring he'll be able to do so much good for the world that way. The story then fast-forwards a few months, and David is already head of his own MegaCorp that has developed cures for cancer and AIDS. How did he achieve this breakthrough? [[spoiler:He killed his friend, the healer Elixir, and harvested his organs]]. Okay, that's certainly bad, but we're still at the point where it can be argued to be worth it. The next issue fast-forwards again, to twenty years later, and David is now the President, and has united most of the world's countries into a utopian OneWorldGovernment. And he's also [[spoiler:planning the genocide of the Chinese because they refused to join]]. Okay, ''now'' he has to die. Fortunately [[spoiler:the whole thing turns out to be an illusion, courtesy of Dani Moonstar, in an effort to convince him to leave the block in]].

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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Comicbook/{{Legacy}}'' ''ComicBook/StarWarsLegacy'', Emperor Roan Fel is willing to use Sith powers to get his Empire back. [[spoiler:He finally slips to the dark side when he plans to use a bio weapon on Coruscant to wipe out the Sith, unbeknown to him they are immune to it, but it will kill his allies and billions of lives still on the planet.]]
* Dealt with in a two-issue arc of ''New Comicbook/XMen'' ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' involving Prodigy, a student at the Xavier Institute with the ability to absorb the knowledge of anyone in the immediate vicinity, but ''only'' as long as they're in the immediate vicinity. When Emma Frost discovers that he's subconsciously put a block in his mind that prevents him from retaining the knowledge permanently, David asks Emma to remove the block, figuring he'll be able to do so much good for the world that way. The story then fast-forwards a few months, and David is already head of his own MegaCorp that has developed cures for cancer and AIDS. How did he achieve this breakthrough? [[spoiler:He killed his friend, the healer Elixir, and harvested his organs]]. Okay, that's certainly bad, but we're still at the point where it can be argued to be worth it. The next issue fast-forwards again, to twenty years later, and David is now the President, and has united most of the world's countries into a utopian OneWorldGovernment. And he's also [[spoiler:planning the genocide of the Chinese because they refused to join]]. Okay, ''now'' he has to die. Fortunately [[spoiler:the whole thing turns out to be an illusion, courtesy of Dani Moonstar, in an effort to convince him to leave the block in]].



* ''Film/XMen'':

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*** Young Erik has grown increasingly amoral since his actions in ''First Class''. Mystique isn't far off, either. The two split right before Dallas.

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*** Young Erik has grown increasingly amoral since his actions in ''First Class''.''[[Film/XMenFirstClass First Class]]''. Mystique isn't far off, either. The two split right before Dallas.
8th Jan '18 2:25:38 AM VVK
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** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in ''Legion'' once more a morally ambiguous character whose positive sides are seen in greater light. At one point, it seems a little exaggerated; there's a whole questline mostly dedicated to an EnergyBeing explaining everything in Illidan's past in as positive light as possible. However, even Illidan himself disagrees. He ''wants'' to be an AntiHero, not TheChosenOne by someone else's rules.

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** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in ''Legion'' once more a morally ambiguous character whose positive sides are seen in greater light. At one point, it seems a little exaggerated; there's a whole questline mostly dedicated to an EnergyBeing explaining everything in Illidan's past in as positive light as possible. However, even Illidan himself disagrees.when it actually encounters Illidan, it's shown that the god-like Energy Being is just being kind of dumb, and he doesn't conform to its expectations. He ''wants'' to be an AntiHero, not TheChosenOne by someone else's rules.
8th Jan '18 1:45:22 AM VVK
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** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in ''Legion'' once more a morally ambiguous character whose positive sides are seen in greater light. It's a little exaggerated; there's a whole questline mostly dedicated to an EnergyBeing explaining everything in Illidan's past in as positive light as possible.

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** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in ''Legion'' once more a morally ambiguous character whose positive sides are seen in greater light. It's At one point, it seems a little exaggerated; there's a whole questline mostly dedicated to an EnergyBeing explaining everything in Illidan's past in as positive light as possible.possible. However, even Illidan himself disagrees. He ''wants'' to be an AntiHero, not TheChosenOne by someone else's rules.
--> "The Light will heal your scars."
--> "I ''am'' my scars!"
5th Jan '18 10:05:36 AM BattleMaster
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** In ''Changes'', [[spoiler:Harry- after surviving a ''brutal'' TraumaCongaLine- decides that he will do anything to save his daughter, and that the ends justify the means.]] He ends up making a DealWithTheDevil, and personally considers himself evil from that point on. [[spoiler:Once his daughter is safe, he commits suicide, not wanting to live if it means being the Winter Knight.]] But that only makes things worse.

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** In ''Changes'', [[spoiler:Harry- after surviving a ''brutal'' TraumaCongaLine- decides that he will do anything to save his daughter, and that the ends justify the means.]] He ends up making a DealWithTheDevil, and personally considers himself evil from that point on. [[spoiler:Once his daughter is safe, he commits suicide, not wanting to live if it means being the Winter Knight.]] But that only makes things worse. [[spoiler: He eventually climbs back up the slope when Archangel Uriel tells him that just because Mab owns his loyalty doesn't mean she also owns his soul and he still has free will]].
28th Dec '17 12:34:47 AM The12thDoctor
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[[caption-width-right:350:Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Fear [[caption-width-right:350:''[[Film/ThePhantomMenace "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering.]]"]]'']]
23rd Dec '17 10:15:25 AM DrySoul
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->''"You see, madness, as you know, is like gravity; all it takes is a little push!"''
-->-- '''The Joker''', ''Film/TheDarkKnight''

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->''"You see, madness, as you know, is like gravity; all ->''"All it takes is a little push!"''
-->-- '''The
one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day."''
-->--'''The
Joker''', ''Film/TheDarkKnight''
''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''
8th Dec '17 9:46:44 AM nombretomado
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* ''Film/CrimsonTide'' is often noted as quite admirably morally complex for a Jerry Bruckheimer film, with Gene Hackman's character given quite a bit of sympathy in wanting to launch the missiles. At least until the ending, when he makes a thinly veiled racist comment to DenzelWashington, which Washington promptly reverses on him.

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* ''Film/CrimsonTide'' is often noted as quite admirably morally complex for a Jerry Bruckheimer film, with Gene Hackman's character given quite a bit of sympathy in wanting to launch the missiles. At least until the ending, when he makes a thinly veiled racist comment to DenzelWashington, Creator/DenzelWashington, which Washington promptly reverses on him.
29th Nov '17 2:07:22 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Dealt with in a two-issue arc of ''New Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' involving Prodigy, a student at the Xavier Institute with the ability to absorb the knowledge of anyone in the immediate vicinity, but ''only'' as long as they're in the immediate vicinity. When Emma Frost discovers that he's subconsciously put a block in his mind that prevents him from retaining the knowledge permanently, David asks Emma to remove the block, figuring he'll be able to do so much good for the world that way. The story then fast-forwards a few months, and David is already head of his own MegaCorp that has developed cures for cancer and AIDS. How did he achieve this breakthrough? [[spoiler:He killed his friend, the healer Elixir, and harvested his organs]]. Okay, that's certainly bad, but we're still at the point where it can be argued to be worth it. The next issue fast-forwards again, to twenty years later, and David is now the President, and has united most of the world's countries into a utopian OneWorldGovernment. And he's also [[spoiler:planning the genocide of the Chinese because they refused to join]]. Okay, ''now'' he has to die. Fortunately [[spoiler:the whole thing turns out to be an illusion, courtesy of Dani Moonstar, in an effort to convince him to leave the block in]].

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* Dealt with in a two-issue arc of ''New Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' Comicbook/XMen'' involving Prodigy, a student at the Xavier Institute with the ability to absorb the knowledge of anyone in the immediate vicinity, but ''only'' as long as they're in the immediate vicinity. When Emma Frost discovers that he's subconsciously put a block in his mind that prevents him from retaining the knowledge permanently, David asks Emma to remove the block, figuring he'll be able to do so much good for the world that way. The story then fast-forwards a few months, and David is already head of his own MegaCorp that has developed cures for cancer and AIDS. How did he achieve this breakthrough? [[spoiler:He killed his friend, the healer Elixir, and harvested his organs]]. Okay, that's certainly bad, but we're still at the point where it can be argued to be worth it. The next issue fast-forwards again, to twenty years later, and David is now the President, and has united most of the world's countries into a utopian OneWorldGovernment. And he's also [[spoiler:planning the genocide of the Chinese because they refused to join]]. Okay, ''now'' he has to die. Fortunately [[spoiler:the whole thing turns out to be an illusion, courtesy of Dani Moonstar, in an effort to convince him to leave the block in]].
27th Nov '17 12:53:05 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic:'' Retired Wonderbolt Wind Rider cared more about the preservation of his speed record than about the implications of the FrameUp he set up against Rainbow Dash, thus leading to a BrokenPedestal and, even worse, being stripped of everything that came with being a Wonderbolt.
26th Sep '17 12:15:45 AM MasterN
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion'', where a massive buildup for [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Homura Akemi's]] morality struggle to break free from her own mental prison and [[BigBad Kyubey's]] ultimate plan]] ends up with a [[spoiler: SuddenDownerEnding where Homura herself abruptly rebels against [[PhysicalGod Goddess Madoka]] and becomes a SatanicArchetype.]]

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion'', where a massive buildup for [[spoiler: [[AntiHero Homura Akemi's]] morality struggle to break free from her own mental prison and [[BigBad Kyubey's]] ultimate plan]] ends up with a [[spoiler: SuddenDownerEnding where Homura herself abruptly [[AssPull abruptly]] [[FaceHeelTurn rebels against against]] [[PhysicalGod Goddess Madoka]] and [[CharacterDerailment becomes a a]] SatanicArchetype.]]]] [[FanonDiscontinuity Fan backlash]] ensued.
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