History Main / JumpingOfftheSlipperySlope

7th Aug '16 10:25:14 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** The Didact, the villain of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', comes off as this if one is familiar with the ExpandedUniverse. In the terminals of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'' and ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'', he was depicted as a conflicted general who ended up causing [[EldritchAbomination the Flood]] to conquer more of his civilization because he couldn't bear to [[GodzillaThreshold fire the Halos]] and wipe out all life in the galaxy to kill the parasite. In ''Halo 4'', he apparently didn't want to fire the Halos because he was racist and didn't want those pesky humans taking over the galaxy after the Halos would make some living room. So from tragic hero to [[DarthVaderClone genocidal dictator in skeleton armor]].
** TheReveal of ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' pulls this with [[spoiler:your AI companion Cortana]], who in the previous game [[spoiler:remained the Chief's friend even as her digital body collapsed and she struggled to remain sane, eventually doing a HeroicSacrifice with the last of her strength]]. In the following game, [[spoiler:she turns to be alive and supposedly repaired, but now she's an OmnicidalManiac who's going to take over the galaxy with her army of enormous Guardian droids. While she keeps insisting that she has good reasons for doing so]], it's clearly just pushing WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide, especially when [[spoiler:she imprisons Chief and Blue Team in a Cryptum so he won't interfere with her scheme.]]

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** The Didact, Ur-Didact, the villain of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', comes off as this if one is familiar with the ExpandedUniverse. 4}}''. In the terminals [[Literature/HaloCryptum first]] [[Literature/HaloPrimordium two]] novels of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'' and ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'', he was depicted starts off as a conflicted general who ended up causing [[EldritchAbomination strongly disliked humanity and believed that the Flood]] Forerunners were the rightful masters of the galaxy, but nonetheless also grew to conquer more of his civilization because he couldn't bear respect humans as fellow warriors, and believed that the Forerunners also had a responsibility to protect and preserve even those species who would stand against them (except [[TheVirus the Flood]], obviously), opposing [[GodzillaThreshold fire the Halos]] and wipe out all firing of the Halos to stop the Flood]] precisely because it would kill off ''all'' sentient life in the galaxy to kill galaxy. And then he gets {{Mind Rape}}ed by the parasite. In ''Halo 4'', Flood Gravemind, an experience which magnifies his Forerunner supremacism and dislike of humanity into ANaziByAnyOtherName levels. Afterwards, he apparently didn't want comes to fire the Halos because he was racist and didn't want those pesky humans taking over conclusion that the galaxy after only way to defeat the Flood without using the Halos would make some living room. So be to transform his Promethean followers into robotic abominations; when he starts running out of volunteers, he begins forcibly converting humans (making him NotSoDifferent from the Flood), with the intent to eventually wipe out ''all'' humans and any other species who oppose Forerunner rule. The Ur-Didact's transition from tragic hero to [[DarthVaderClone genocidal dictator in skeleton armor]].
armor]] is covered in ''VideoGame/HaloSilentium'' and the ''Halo 4'' terminals.
** TheReveal of ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' pulls this with [[spoiler:your AI companion Cortana]], who in the [[VideoGame/{{Halo 4}} previous game game]] [[spoiler:remained the Chief's friend even as her digital body collapsed and she struggled to remain sane, eventually doing a HeroicSacrifice with the last of her strength]]. In the following game, [[spoiler:she turns out to be alive and supposedly repaired, but now she's an OmnicidalManiac at best WellIntentionedExtremist who's going to take over the galaxy with her army of enormous Guardian droids. machines. While she keeps insisting that she has good reasons for doing so]], it's clearly just pushing bordering on WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide, especially when [[spoiler:she imprisons Chief and Blue Team in a Cryptum so he they won't interfere with her scheme.]]schemes]].
1st Aug '16 5:43:51 AM Shadowgazer
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** Light Yagami begins using the supernatural notebook to rid society of criminals, but soon his black list expands to include anyone who stands in his way for any reason, starting with Lind L. Taylor, [[spoiler:a patsy used by L to denounce and threaten Kira]] and the FBI. Along the way, he coolly manipulates the feelings of both people and shinigami. Repeatedly stating that he plans to become the god of the new world he is trying to create doesn't help matters, either.

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** Light Yagami begins using the supernatural notebook to rid society of objectively unforgivable criminals, but soon his black list expands to include anyone who stands in his way for any reason, starting with Lind L. Taylor, [[spoiler:a patsy used by L to denounce and threaten Kira]] and the FBI. Along the way, he coolly manipulates the feelings of both people and shinigami. Repeatedly stating that he plans to become the god of the new world he is trying to create doesn't help matters, either.


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* ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' has this happen with the most likable villain of the show Dr. Bushroot in his origin episode. He starts off by being DrivenToMurder the people who bullied him, made him lose his job ForTheEvulz and mocked him after his mutation. Then he deteriotates morally by seeking revenge against the Dean who cut his funding and Darkwing and Launchpad for stopping that one and by the end he tries to mutate the girl that he liked against her will, so he could have company. Good Lord!
31st Jul '16 8:47:30 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Fortunately, it was not to last. By the sixth film, it becomes evident Vader shows signs of regret when Luke challenges his motives, but Vader dismisses them and says it is too late for him- no one can leave the Dark Side. It isn't until [[spoiler:Palpatine repeatedly strikes down Luke with Force lightning that Vader finally comes to his senses and reverts back to Anakin Skywalker, slaying the Sith Lord, but at [[RedemptionEqualsDeath a very costly price]].]]
*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a KnightTemplar. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of TheDarkSide it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.
31st Jul '16 8:17:46 AM Morgenthaler
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** Yeah, well, oops ...
29th Jul '16 6:45:13 AM TheSinful
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* Sasuke in ''[[http://ficwad.com/story/213011 Eroninja]]'' goes from "Kill my brother to avenge my clan" to "Kill the ones who "made" my brother kill my clan"[[note]]In this story, Itachi wasn't blackmailed or threatened into killing his clan; he came up with the idea himself[[/note]] to "destroy the current shinobi system and kill people close to Naruto because it'll hurt him". Notably, Sakura gives up on Sasuke much sooner than Naruto but everyone (Naruto included) consider Sasuke past the MoralEventHorizon when he tries to kill his own mother.
16th Jul '16 5:29:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Ho boy, does this ''ever'' happen in the eleventh book of ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' to [[spoiler: Senna Wales]]. K.A. "{{Ambitio|nIsEvil}}us, intelligent, controlling, DangerouslyGenreSavvy VisionaryVillain with a taste for power" into "batshit insane, power-mad, {{Genre Blind|ness}} BadBoss EvilOverlord."

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* Ho boy, does this ''ever'' happen in the eleventh book of ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' to [[spoiler: Senna Wales]]. K.A. "{{Ambitio|nIsEvil}}us, intelligent, controlling, DangerouslyGenreSavvy VisionaryVillain with a taste for power" into "batshit insane, power-mad, {{Genre Blind|ness}} BadBoss EvilOverlord."
21st May '16 2:08:47 PM erforce
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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.

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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.
6th May '16 11:15:33 PM Doug86
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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.

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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllInTheManual AllThereInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.
4th May '16 8:14:53 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Film/{{Jumper}}'', the Paladins are concerned that the Jumpers will use their powers for selfish gain at the expense of others. In fact, they are right. However, they stop them by straight up murdering all Jumpers they come across and anyone associated with them, turning them into the bad guys.

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* In ''Film/{{Jumper}}'', the Paladins are concerned that the Jumpers will use their powers for selfish gain at the expense of others. In fact, they are right. However, they stop them by straight up murdering all Jumpers they come across and anyone associated with them, turning them into the bad guys. It also doesn't help that they use religious rhetoric to justify their actions, coming off as {{Knight Templar}}s.
16th Apr '16 6:23:41 AM narm00
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** The Doctor himself jumps from the top of the slope to the bottom in the last 10 or so minutes of "The Waters of Mars". After having spent the whole episode with a group of people destined to die, the Doctor snaps and decides to save them after most of them have already been killed. Just moments after saving the remaining people (in the most epic way possible), The Doctor decides that he can mess with the timeline in any way he sees fit, completely ignoring his species' laws. At this point, the Doctor is almost antagonistic. Thankfully the Doctor is only in this state for one scene, and is brought down a couple of pegs before he can really do anything.
** It's implied in "The Runaway Bride" and more-or-less stated in "Journey's End" that the reason Doctor travels around with a companion is so that he has someone to remind him not to do this, since he can so much power and gets into such intense and painful situations it would be hard for him not to slip, and hard for anyone to stop him once he starts sliding.

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** The Doctor himself jumps from the top of the slope to the bottom in the last 10 or so minutes of "The Waters of Mars". After having spent the whole episode with a group of people destined to die, the Doctor snaps and decides to save them after most of them have already been killed. Just moments after saving the remaining people (in the most epic way possible), The the Doctor decides that he can mess with the timeline in any way he sees fit, completely ignoring his species' laws. At this point, the Doctor is almost antagonistic. Thankfully the Doctor is only in this state for one scene, and is brought down a couple of pegs before he can really do anything.
** It's implied in "The Runaway Bride" and more-or-less stated in "Journey's End" that the reason the Doctor travels around with a companion is so that he has someone to remind him not to do this, since he can has so much power and gets into such intense and painful situations it would be hard for him not to slip, and hard for anyone to stop him once he starts sliding.



* ''{{Charmed}}'' has a twist on this in Season 2's "Morality Bites"; after the sisters use their powers to pull a vengeful yet relatively harmless prank on a man who continually lets his dog defecate on their driveway, Phoebe has a premonition of being burned at the stake for killing someone with her powers a decade in the future. One adventure later, they are sent back to that point in time to prevent falling prey to this trope, worded well by Phoebe:

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* ''{{Charmed}}'' ''Series/{{Charmed}}'' has a twist on this in Season 2's "Morality Bites"; after the sisters use their powers to pull a vengeful yet relatively harmless prank on a man who continually lets his dog defecate on their driveway, Phoebe has a premonition of being burned at the stake for killing someone with her powers a decade in the future. One adventure later, they are sent back to that point in time to prevent falling prey to this trope, worded well by Phoebe:



** This applies to all World of Darkness games and is a large part of the new system.
** The old system was an aversion; the more humanity you lost, the harder it was to lose the next point, the more extreme your behavior would have to be. Only if you're determined to destroy your humanity (or your Gamemaster paves your path with {{Sadistic Choice}}s,) could you slip past a certain point, but it wouldn't happen by accident.
*** It wasn't supposed to be an aversion because as the character's [[KarmaMeter Humanity]] dropped, the character's sense of morality did as well. Yes, by the time you're Humanity is down to 3, say, it took doing something truly depraved to drop it any further, but by the time you're down that far, you consider murder to be roughly the equivalent of breaking the speed limit, so there isn't much keeping you from going even farther. However, since in reality a player character's morality is determined by the player, in practice this rarely came into play.

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** This applies to all World of Darkness games and is a large part of [[TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness the new system.
system]].
** [[TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness The old system was system]] is an aversion; the more humanity you lost, lose, the harder it was is to lose the next point, the more extreme your behavior would have has to be. Only if you're determined to destroy your humanity (or your Gamemaster paves your path with {{Sadistic Choice}}s,) could Choice}}s) can you slip past a certain point, but it wouldn't happen by accident.
*** It wasn't isn't supposed to be an aversion because as the character's [[KarmaMeter Humanity]] dropped, drops, the character's sense of morality did does as well. Yes, by the time you're your Humanity is down to 3, say, it took takes doing something truly depraved to drop it any further, but by the time you're down that far, you consider murder to be roughly the equivalent of breaking the speed limit, so there isn't much keeping you from going even farther. However, since in reality a player character's morality is determined by the player, in practice this rarely came comes into play.



* ''{{Exalted}}'': Averted. [[DealWithTheDevil Pledging yourself]] as an [[BlackKnight Abyssal]] or [[KnightInSourArmor Infernal Exalt]] might seem like this trope, since it requires pledging loyalty to the [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] or [[AbusivePrecursors Yozis]], respectively. However, it's entirely possible (if not somewhat difficult) to [[TheAtoner go renegade]] and do your own thing, if you decide that being a CardCarryingVillain is for suckers.

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* ''{{Exalted}}'': ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'': Averted. [[DealWithTheDevil Pledging yourself]] as an [[BlackKnight Abyssal]] or [[KnightInSourArmor Infernal Exalt]] might seem like this trope, since it requires pledging loyalty to the [[OmnicidalManiac Deathlords]] or [[AbusivePrecursors Yozis]], respectively. However, it's entirely possible (if not somewhat difficult) to [[TheAtoner go renegade]] and do your own thing, if you decide that being a CardCarryingVillain is for suckers.



* ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' has a lot of this: {{Superman}} doesn't just jump, he flies in the highest speed he can through the slope after being tricked into killing Lois and then killing Joker in retaliation, establishing a totalitarian dictatorship where in exchange of his "protection", everyone that even dares to protest his method get swift death, as exemplified by what happened to that universe's Green Arrow [[spoiler:and later Shazam, and according to the backstory, Hawkman, causing Hawkgirl to retaliate in vengeance, only to be {{Brainwashed}} into servitude]]. He does it a second time when he goes from maintaining order with an iron fist -- and demonstrably creating a peaceful world at the expense of a few lives, and freedom of course -- to flattening cities himself because people don't agree. Via backstory, we see the only surviving ComicBook/TeenTitans being Cyborg and Raven, both end up disillusioned and Raven ends up giving in to Trigon's influence, gaining lust on torture and becoming Trigon's worshipper instead of trying to prevent his coming. And while Damian Wayne [[spoiler:did accidentally kill Dick Grayson, he didn't look back in regret and goes far worse than before because Superman, being his 'new father figure', got to convince him to stay in the extremist way]]. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman is unquestioningly convinced of Superman's "logic" for some reason, even after it gets clearly to the point of just doing those things he's supposed to be preventing. One man jumping off, the others follow suit in varying level.

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* ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' has a lot of this: {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} doesn't just jump, he flies in the highest speed he can through the slope after being tricked into killing Lois and then killing Joker in retaliation, establishing a totalitarian dictatorship where in exchange of his "protection", everyone that even dares to protest his method get swift death, as exemplified by what happened to that universe's Green Arrow [[spoiler:and later Shazam, and according to the backstory, Hawkman, causing Hawkgirl to retaliate in vengeance, only to be {{Brainwashed}} into servitude]]. He does it a second time when he goes from maintaining order with an iron fist -- and demonstrably creating a peaceful world at the expense of a few lives, and freedom of course -- to flattening cities himself because people don't agree. Via backstory, we see the only surviving ComicBook/TeenTitans being Cyborg and Raven, Raven; both end up disillusioned and Raven ends up giving in to Trigon's influence, gaining a lust on of torture and becoming Trigon's worshipper instead of trying to prevent his coming. And while Damian Wayne [[spoiler:did accidentally kill Dick Grayson, he didn't look back in regret and goes far worse than before because Superman, being his 'new father figure', got to convince him to stay in the extremist way]]. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman is unquestioningly convinced of Superman's "logic" for some reason, even after it gets clearly to the point of just doing those things he's supposed to be preventing. One man jumping off, the others follow suit in varying level.
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