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7th May '17 12:57:56 AM Zeiram1990
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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Azula, while more AxCrazy MagnificentBastard than {{Jerkass}}, claims VirtueIsWeakness and Appeal to Inherent Nature for herself (during the BeachEpisode she says that her mother was right about her being a monster, and a later episode has her frantically claiming that trust is for fools).

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Azula, while more AxCrazy MagnificentBastard than {{Jerkass}}, claims VirtueIsWeakness and Appeal to Inherent Nature for herself (during the BeachEpisode she says that her mother was right about her being a monster, and a later episode has her frantically claiming that trust is for fools).
2nd May '17 6:02:15 PM nombretomado
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%%* [[TransformersAnimated Sentinel Prime]].

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%%* [[TransformersAnimated [[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated Sentinel Prime]].
25th Dec '16 3:10:14 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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->'''Clementine''': You don't have to do this. It's mean.
->'''Michelle''': You gotta be mean to keep goin' out here.
->'''Clementine''': I'm not mean.
->'''Michelle''': Yeah? And who got your gun?

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->'''Clementine''': ->'''Clementine:''' You don't have to do this. It's mean.
->'''Michelle''':
mean.\\
'''Michelle:'''
You gotta be mean to keep goin' out here.
->'''Clementine''':
here.\\
'''Clementine:'''
I'm not mean.
->'''Michelle''':
mean.\\
'''Michelle:'''
Yeah? And who got your gun?



[[AC:VirtueIsWeakness]]: "Kindness is weakness and NiceGuysFinishLast. If you want to get ahead in [[CrapsackWorld this world]], you have to be ruthless, mean, and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]]."

[[AC:MoralMyopia]]: "I'm right and all these peasants are wrong, so it's OK to treat them like crap [[{{Anvilicious}} just to hammer my point in.]]" The stock phrase "I'm not a jerk, [[EnragedByIdiocy I just don't suffer fools]]" may be used in their defense, the [[IResembleThatRemark implied insult of which only serves to prove the accuser's point]].

[[AC:AppealToInherentNature]]: "[[ItsWhatIDo That's just the way I am]], and I can't (or don't care to) change. If anyone doesn't like it, they can deal with it!"

[[AC:JustJokingJustification]]: "Come on, can't you take a joke? I'm TooFunnyToBeEvil! You people have NoSenseOfHumor."

[[AC:ToughLove]]: "I'm treating you like crap just to toughen you up!"

[[AC:UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming]]: "[[NeverMyFault It's their own fault]] for [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou provoking me into hurting them]]!"

[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive Appeal to Market Forces]]]]: "The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!"

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[[AC:VirtueIsWeakness]]: * VirtueIsWeakness: "Kindness is weakness and NiceGuysFinishLast. If you want to get ahead in [[CrapsackWorld this world]], you have to be ruthless, mean, and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]]."

[[AC:MoralMyopia]]:
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* MoralMyopia:
"I'm right and all these peasants are wrong, so it's OK to treat them like crap [[{{Anvilicious}} just to hammer my point in.]]" The stock phrase "I'm not a jerk, [[EnragedByIdiocy I just don't suffer fools]]" may be used in their defense, the [[IResembleThatRemark implied insult of which only serves to prove the accuser's point]].

[[AC:AppealToInherentNature]]:
point]].
* AppealToInherentNature:
"[[ItsWhatIDo That's just the way I am]], and I can't (or don't care to) change. If anyone doesn't like it, they can deal with it!"

[[AC:JustJokingJustification]]:
it!"
* JustJokingJustification:
"Come on, can't you take a joke? I'm TooFunnyToBeEvil! You people have NoSenseOfHumor."

[[AC:ToughLove]]:
"
* ToughLove:
"I'm treating you like crap just to toughen you up!"

[[AC:UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming]]:
up!"
* UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming:
"[[NeverMyFault It's their own fault]] for [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou provoking me into hurting them]]!"

[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive
them]]!"
* [[CorruptCorporateExecutive
Appeal to Market Forces]]]]: Forces]]: "The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!"



Just because an author believes this about a character doesn't mean that every sympathetic character in the story should view the character as a justified jerk. In real life, some people have a hard time dealing with people who act abrasively and are unlikely to know why they act like jerks in the first place. Having everyone make excuses for the character in the story itself may result in JerkSue.

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Just because an author believes this about a character doesn't mean that every sympathetic character in the story should view the character as a justified jerk. In real life, some people have a hard time dealing with people who act abrasively and are unlikely to know why they act like jerks in the first place. Having everyone make excuses for the character in the story itself may result in a JerkSue.



[[AC: VirtueIsWeakness]]

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[[AC: VirtueIsWeakness]][[AC:VirtueIsWeakness]]



* Guy of Gisborne from ''Series/RobinHood'' is of the VirtueIsWeakness variety in regards to his pursuit of his ambition, but also a little The Way I Am in that he is well aware that he has "committed heinous crimes." Only he isn't prepared to do anything about it except to rely on Marian to "wash away his sins." She begs to differ. It does not end well.

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* Guy of Gisborne from ''Series/RobinHood'' is of the VirtueIsWeakness variety in regards to his pursuit of his ambition, but also a little The Way I Am Appeal to Inherent Nature in that he is well aware that he has "committed heinous crimes." Only he isn't prepared to do anything about it except to rely on Marian to "wash away his sins." She begs to differ. It does not end well.



[[AC: MoralMyopia]]

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[[AC: MoralMyopia]][[AC:MoralMyopia]]



[[AC: The Way I Am]]

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[[AC: The Way I Am]][[AC:AppealToInherentNature]]



* Sawyer from ''Series/{{Lost}}'' is The Way I Am, with a little bit of self-loathing and a whole lot of [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Heart of Gold]] thrown in. At least, he was in the first seasons. He would usually justify his actions with "I'm not a good person."

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* Sawyer from ''Series/{{Lost}}'' is The Way I Am, Appeal to Inherent Nature, with a little bit of self-loathing and a whole lot of [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Heart of Gold]] thrown in. At least, he was in the first seasons. He would usually justify his actions with "I'm not a good person."



* "Take Me Or Leave Me," from ''Theatre/{{RENT}}'', is essentially an entire song of The Way I Am justification. Most of it is on [[AnythingThatMoves Maureen's]] part, but Joanne does a lot of justifying and refusing to compromise by the number's end.

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* "Take Me Or Leave Me," from ''Theatre/{{RENT}}'', is essentially an entire song of The Way I Am the Appeal to Inherent Nature justification. Most of it is on [[AnythingThatMoves Maureen's]] part, but Joanne does a lot of justifying and refusing to compromise by the number's end.



* The final example on [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-excuses-we-make-doing-terrible-things/ this Cracked article]] explains why invoking The Way I Am typically leads to you being ''[[{{Deconstruction}} unable to function in society]]''.

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* The final example on [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-excuses-we-make-doing-terrible-things/ this Cracked article]] on ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' explains why invoking The Way I Am Appeal to Inherent Nature typically leads to you being ''[[{{Deconstruction}} unable to function in society]]''.



[[AC:Appeal to Market Forces]]

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[[AC:Appeal %%[[AC:JustJokingJustification]]

%%[[AC:ToughLove]]

%%[[AC:UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming]]

[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive Appeal
to Market Forces]]Forces]]]]



* House, from ''Series/{{House}}, M.D.'', combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am.

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* House, from ''Series/{{House}}, M.D.'', combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am.AppealToInherentNature.



* ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'': Sheldon Cooper combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am. Basically, he's House without the [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarking]] or any sort of personality. He's also an InsufferableGenius.
* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Azula, while more AxCrazy MagnificentBastard than {{Jerkass}}, claims VirtueIsWeakness and The Way I Am for herself (during the BeachEpisode she says that her mother was right about her being a monster, and a later episode has her frantically claiming that trust is for fools).

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* ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'': Sheldon Cooper combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am. AppealToInherentNature. Basically, he's House without the [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarking]] {{Deadpan Snark|er}}ing or any sort of personality. He's also an InsufferableGenius.
* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Azula, while more AxCrazy MagnificentBastard than {{Jerkass}}, claims VirtueIsWeakness and The Way I Am Appeal to Inherent Nature for herself (during the BeachEpisode she says that her mother was right about her being a monster, and a later episode has her frantically claiming that trust is for fools).



* Barney Stinson from ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' uses all three types with great abandon and inconsistency, depending on whichever one will best get him out of a conundrum without admitting he's wrong/non-awesome or showing weakness: when his friends call him out on The Way I Am by saying they're sick of "dealing" with him, he insists upon MoralMyopia. When they prove MoralMyopia wrong by showing him how much damage his jerkassery causes, he falls back on VirtueIsWeakness. When they argue against VirtueIsWeakness by demonstrating that ''they're'' all happy without being jerks, he seizes on to MoralMyopia to dismiss their opinions as signs that they're "lame" and then insists upon The Way I Am, because he's "awesome". And so it begins again.

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* Barney Stinson from ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' uses all three types with great abandon and inconsistency, depending on whichever one will best get him out of a conundrum without admitting he's wrong/non-awesome or showing weakness: when his friends call him out on The Way I Am Appeal to Inherent Nature by saying they're sick of "dealing" with him, he insists upon MoralMyopia. When they prove MoralMyopia wrong by showing him how much damage his jerkassery causes, he falls back on VirtueIsWeakness. When they argue against VirtueIsWeakness by demonstrating that ''they're'' all happy without being jerks, he seizes on to MoralMyopia to dismiss their opinions as signs that they're "lame" and then insists upon The Way I Am, Appeal to Inherent Nature, because he's "awesome". And so it begins again.



--> '''Reynauld''': I am what I am. Someone has to be.
* For some people, especially if one browses Internet forums long enough, hang around trolls and jerkasses long enough and you might start to become a jerk yourself and justify it by saying "everyone else is doing it, so I may well be one as well." Also, if you start a thread asking why people are so mean on the Internet, expect the users, especially the trolls, respond with "It's the Internet. We can say whatever we want.".

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--> '''Reynauld''': I {{I am what I am.am}}. Someone has to be.
* For some people, especially if one browses Internet forums long enough, hang around trolls {{Troll}}s and jerkasses {{Jerkass}}es long enough and [[GotMeDoingIt you might start to become a jerk yourself yourself]] and justify it by saying "everyone else is doing it, so I may might as well be one as well.one, too." Also, if you start a thread asking why people are so mean on the Internet, expect the users, especially the trolls, respond with "It's "[[{{GIFT}} It's the Internet. We can say whatever we want.".]]"
10th Dec '16 9:55:54 AM Chabal2
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[[AC:Appeal to Market Forces]]
* ''Manga/GunsmithCats'': Rider's justification for running drugs: it'll happen whether or not he does it, so he might as well make money off it. Rally eventually gets him to give it up.
27th Jul '16 6:03:04 PM nombretomado
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%%* CyranoDeBergerac: Cyrano combines all three types.

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%%* CyranoDeBergerac: ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'': Cyrano combines all three types.
13th Jul '16 3:20:50 PM WillBGood
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[[AC:MoralMyopia]]: "I'm right and all these peasants are wrong, so it's OK to treat them like crap [[{{Anvilicious}} just to hammer my point in.]] The stock phrase "I'm not a jerk, [[EnragedByIdiocy I just don't suffer fools]]" may be used in their defense, the [[IResembleThatRemark implied insult of which only serves to prove the accuser's point]]."

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[[AC:MoralMyopia]]: "I'm right and all these peasants are wrong, so it's OK to treat them like crap [[{{Anvilicious}} just to hammer my point in.]] ]]" The stock phrase "I'm not a jerk, [[EnragedByIdiocy I just don't suffer fools]]" may be used in their defense, the [[IResembleThatRemark implied insult of which only serves to prove the accuser's point]]."
point]].



[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive Appeal to Market Forces]]]]: The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!

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[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive Appeal to Market Forces]]]]: The "The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!
me!"
7th Apr '16 7:13:44 PM ading
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* Though she pretends to be of the ToughLove variety, Rowena of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is really this at heart. "[[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad Love is weakness,]] and I will ''never'' be weak."




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* Lucifer (and most evil angels) in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' think of themselves as being [[FantasticRacism above humans]], making it OK to kill them.




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* Spike on ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. After he takes Xander's radio:
-->'''Xander''': Hey, that's mine!\\
'''Spike''': And you're what, shocked and disappointed? I'm ''evil''.



* [[Series/TheBigBangTheory Sheldon]] combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am. Basically, he's House without the [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarking]] or any sort of personality. He's also an InsufferableGenius.

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* [[Series/TheBigBangTheory Sheldon]] ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'': Sheldon Cooper combines MoralMyopia and The Way I Am. Basically, he's House without the [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarking]] or any sort of personality. He's also an InsufferableGenius.
25th Mar '16 12:32:37 PM Jeduthun
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Appeal to Market Forces: The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!

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[[AC:[[CorruptCorporateExecutive Appeal to Market Forces: Forces]]]]: The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!



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20th Jan '16 6:13:46 AM Britarse
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Appeal to Market Forces: The demand is there! Someone's going to get rich doing this, it might as well be me!
6th Dec '15 4:14:15 PM DeisTheAlcano
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->'''Michelle''': You gotta be mean to keep goin' [[CrapsackWorld out here]].

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->'''Michelle''': You gotta be mean to keep goin' [[CrapsackWorld out here]].here.



* Kratos' justification in ''Franchise/GodOfWar''. Not entirely wrong, since many times he must kill innocent bystanders if he wants to survive. The Olympians' justification is more like MoralMyopia.

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* Kratos' justification in ''Franchise/GodOfWar''.''VideoGame/GodOfWarSeries''. Not entirely wrong, since many times he must kill innocent bystanders if he wants to survive. The Olympians' justification is more like MoralMyopia.
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