History Main / JerkAssHasAPoint

26th Feb '17 3:55:37 PM DoctorCooper
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'''[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease This is an In-Universe Only Trope.]]''' For it to be Jerkass Has a Point, the work or characters within the work must acknowledge that the jerkass is right. If a character who is often unpleasant makes a point that readers are meant to see as wrong, but still comes across as more sensible than the counterargument, that's StrawmanHasAPoint. [[noreallife]]

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'''[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease '''[[Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly This is an In-Universe Only Trope.]]''' For it to be Jerkass Has a Point, the work or characters within the work must acknowledge that the jerkass is right. If a character who is often unpleasant makes a point that readers are meant to see as wrong, but still comes across as more sensible than the counterargument, that's StrawmanHasAPoint. Also, Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease [[noreallife]]
22nd Feb '17 1:11:57 PM tdwally
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** Weiss' father Jacques, though a thoroughly horrible human being, does have a point [[spoiler:when he makes her brother Whitley the heir to the [=SDC=] over her. Weiss has repeatedly resisted his attempts to groom her for the position and only values the role because she feels the company already belongs to her. Why should he give the business he's spent years developing to someone thoroughly unsuited to heading it?]]
21st Feb '17 11:47:57 PM harharhar
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** Mayor Lionheart secretly [[spoiler:incarcerates several predator mammals who have gone savage]], he doesn't reveal this to the police or the public partly because [[spoiler:he's worried about his reputation (given that he's also predator)]], but also because [[spoiler:he still doesn't know why those mammals have gone savage, and believes that telling the public without having an explanation why will cause mass panic]]. Once it does become public, [[spoiler:a mass panic followed by inflamed predator/prey tension and civil unrest]] really happens.

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** Mayor Lionheart secretly [[spoiler:incarcerates several predator mammals who have gone savage]], he doesn't reveal this to savage]] without informing the police or the public public. While he does this partly because [[spoiler:he's worried about his reputation (given that he's also predator)]], but he's also because [[spoiler:he still doesn't know why those mammals have gone savage, and believes worried that telling [[spoiler:telling the public without having an explanation about the savage predators before he finds out why will cause mass panic]]. Once it does become public, [[spoiler:a mass panic followed by inflamed predator/prey tension and civil unrest]] really happens.
18th Feb '17 4:19:21 PM rva98014
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* Chief Bogo in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'' initially does not like or respect Judy, believing such a small animal cannot make for a good police officer, and attempts to keep her out of the way with menial work. But when he chews her out for abandoning her post to chase after a thief, and even worse, ''continuing the chase through the highly fragile mouse district'', he's certainly right about her actions being unacceptably reckless.
** Mayor Lionheart secretly [[spoiler:incarcerates several predator mammals who have [[HatePlague gone savage]] without telling the public]], partly because [[spoiler:he's worried about his reputation (given that he's also predator)]], but also because [[spoiler:he still doesn't know why those mammals have gone savage, and believes that telling the public that they have gone savage without explaining why will cause mass hysteria]]. Once that event becomes public, [[spoiler:a mass hysteria followed with discrimination on predators for fear they can go savage anytime]] really happens.

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* ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}''
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Chief Bogo in ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'' initially does not like or respect Judy, believing such is a small animal cannot make curt, tough, demanding boss known for a good police officer, his brutal honesty and attempts to keep her out of the way has issues with menial work. Judy being assigned to his precinct feeling she is a political appointee for PR purposes. But when he chews her out for abandoning her post to chase after a thief, and even worse, ''continuing the chase through the highly fragile mouse Little Rodentia district'', he's certainly right about her actions being [[CowboyCop unacceptably reckless.
reckless]].
** Mayor Lionheart secretly [[spoiler:incarcerates several predator mammals who have [[HatePlague gone savage]] without telling savage]], he doesn't reveal this to the public]], police or the public partly because [[spoiler:he's worried about his reputation (given that he's also predator)]], but also because [[spoiler:he still doesn't know why those mammals have gone savage, and believes that telling the public that they have gone savage without explaining having an explanation why will cause mass hysteria]]. panic]]. Once that event becomes it does become public, [[spoiler:a mass hysteria panic followed with discrimination on predators for fear they can go savage anytime]] by inflamed predator/prey tension and civil unrest]] really happens.
16th Feb '17 1:23:41 PM TheUnknownUploader
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** People who say mean-but-true things about [[AmbiguousDisorder Abed]] are often people like [[DrJerk Duncan]] and [[TheFriendNobodyLikes Pierce]].
14th Feb '17 10:32:38 AM Dustbunny3
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** Frank gets another one when Radar is accused of stealing a rare gun belonging to a visiting officer. Hawkeye and Trapper suspect Frank immediately and threaten him to confess before Radar gets in serious trouble. Frank points out that Radar is innocent until proven guilty and that Frank himself deserves that same consideration. Of course, Frank ''did'' steal the gun himself to impress Margaret, but he's not wrong since they're accusing him without evidence, as even they have to admit.


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** While he may have only been bitter at not being immediately followed as leader in Optimus's absence in Chain of Command, Dinobot is absolutely right that the Maximals relying on a vote, with no tie-breaking mechanism, rather than having a contingency plan-- or, y'know, an established chain of command-- already in place is ridiculous.


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** The kids in general are more and more cruel in their response to the Eds as the show goes on, but by that time, they're not entirely wrong about the damage that the Eds cause with their shenanigans.
13th Feb '17 9:18:48 PM Nicoaln
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* In the second Canadian series of ''Series/BigBrother'', houseguest Ika Wong earned a little bonus but she was given a SadisticChoice: Either she gives everyone letters from home or shreds a check with her name on it for $5000 CAD, or she shreds everybody's letters and takes the money. Ika chose to take the money, and, knowing the other houseguests were watching her on camera, gave various [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to the alliance that targeted and screwed her over in hopes of rallying the other players to get rid of them. When they were understandably annoyed, one of them (Sarah) pointed out that they (The first five alliance) kind of brought it on themselves with their behaviour and that if she had given them all the letters, they would be saying WhatAnIdiot.
13th Feb '17 1:24:41 AM Gaby007
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* When Catelyn begs her sister Lysa to not marry her only daughter with Jon Snow in chapter 18 from the one-shot collection ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11924429/15/What-If What If]], Lysa points how Jon Snow - as Ned Stark's offspring and a lower-birth suitor - is the perfect consort for Sansa. Moreover, Jon taking the name Arryn would mean his children and grandchildren would never try to steal Winterfell as they are already in line to inherit the Vale. Catelyn realizes her sister is right and gives her blessing to the marriage.

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* When Catelyn begs her sister Lysa to not marry her only daughter with Jon Snow in chapter 18 from the one-shot collection ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11924429/15/What-If What If]], If]]'', Lysa points how Jon Snow - as Ned Stark's offspring and a lower-birth suitor - is the perfect consort for Sansa. Moreover, Jon taking the name Arryn would mean his children and grandchildren would never try to steal Winterfell as they are already in line to inherit the Vale. Catelyn realizes her sister is right and gives her blessing to the marriage.marriage.
* Ned Stark has a rather cold relationship with his cousin Tony from ''Fanfic/AManOfIron'' whom he considers a wasteful twit, but he's forced to concede that Tony was right to stand up to Catelyn when she tried to hurt Jon only because he was a bastard.
8th Feb '17 1:00:10 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In a show not short on utterly despicable characters, Walder Frey still ranks near the bottom. Yet, when he voices all the same complaints fans had about the storyline of Robb and Talisa's marriage (with Robb throwing away his whole war campaign over a sudden marriage for the sake of love and breaking his vow to marry a Frey daughter), it's hard to argue.
** Tywin Lannister's chastisement of his son Jamie Lannister over his refusal to leave the Kingsguard and inherit Casterly Rock has some merit: Jaime has lost his sword-hand. Consequently, his ability to fight is greatly hindered but ruling Casterly Rock would give him a new purpose. Jaime's current lack of purpose is nailed home later in the episode when Joffrey notes how in The Book of Brothers (a record documenting the deeds of the Kingsguard), there are several members of the Kingsguard who have multiple pages dedicated to describing their various actions in service, while Jaime barely gets a paragraph detailing his slaying of the Mad King.

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In a show not short on utterly despicable characters, Walder Frey still ranks near the bottom. Yet, when he voices all the same complaints fans had about the storyline of Robb and Talisa's marriage (with Robb throwing away his whole war campaign over a sudden marriage for the sake of love and breaking his vow to marry a Frey daughter), it's hard to argue.
argue. When Catelyn Stark begs for Robb's life by giving him her word, Frey is quick to point he has no reason to trust a Stark's word when they have already broken a promise in the past.
** Tywin Lannister's chastisement of his son Jamie Lannister over his refusal to leave the Kingsguard and inherit Casterly Rock has some merit: Jaime has lost his sword-hand. Consequently, his ability to fight is greatly hindered but ruling Casterly Rock would give him a new purpose. Jaime's current lack of purpose is nailed home later in the episode when Joffrey notes how in The Book of Brothers (a record documenting the deeds of the Kingsguard), there are several members of the Kingsguard who have multiple pages dedicated to describing their various actions in service, while Jaime barely gets a paragraph detailing his slaying of the Mad King. Furthermore when he calls Cersei less clever than she thinks and Tyrion a fool for his drinking and whoring, he has a point. Ironically, his own failings as a father seem completely lost on him.


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** Ser Alliser Thorne treats his recruits cruelly, but given his experience of how terrible the winters can be, he may have a point about how strong a man of the Night's Watch must be.
** Robert's plot to kill Daenerys is definitely very underhanded and fueled by his hatred and fear, but Pycelle's point that a Dothraki invasion would also result in thousands of innocent deaths is quite persuasive.
** Notorious oathbreaker Jaime Lannister argues that the numerous and contradictory vows knights swear make everyone an oathbreaker eventually. For instance, what if you've sworn to protect the king and defend the innocent, but the king massacres the innocent?
** Drogo's bloodrider Qotho is completely right about not trusting Mirri Maz Duur.
** The Spice King is rude and condescending, but when Daenerys asks for ships to get to Westeros he raises some very good points: namely, that she has no real strategy for retaking Westeros, just a belief that everyone will flock to her as the rightful queen.
** Being motivated by jealously doesn't make Cersei's assessment of Margaery as a manipulative social climber any less true.
** While he's unnecessarily a jerkass about it, Craster ''does'' have a large family to sustain through the years-long winter with the resources the Night's Watch are steadily consuming as his guests. Grenn and Dolorous Edd seem content enough with it and Sam even tries to point this out to Rast, but gets shot down with a FalseDichotomy.
** Joffrey seems to be the only person in Westeros during Season 3 to appreciate the threat of Daenerys and her dragons.
** Rickard Karstark is not exactly wrong in his criticism of Robb's leadership considering how much long term damage was done by Robb's poor choices.
** When Tyrion disapproves of the Red Wedding, Tywin asks him why it is more noble to kill thousands in battle than a dozen at dinner. Even acknowledging the thousands of soldiers who died as well, Tyrion really cannot dispute his father, having himself killed thousands of defenceless, ship-bound men in a wildfire explosion less than a year past.
** Cersei is drunk and paranoid when she demands more guards for Tommen's chambers, but since Margaery is somehow able to sneak in she may have a point.
** The Hound is coarse and mocking when he sees Arya practising with her rapier, but he proves absolutely right that it stands no chance against even a mediocre swordsman in full plate.
** Likewise The Hound's point about knights really being nothing more than vicious killers as opposed to noble heroes is pretty much on the nose. Especially when you have scenes of knights violently murdering children and or talking about raping women.
7th Feb '17 5:32:24 PM KingLyger
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* In ''Film/LaLaLand'', Keith tells Sebastian that he's got himself stuck in the past when it comes to traditional jazz, and that it won't do Sebastian any good to achieve his dream of opening a jazz club if no one comes to it. Considering Sebastian's already had to go through quite a HumiliationConga by that time, Sebastian has no comeback for that. In fact, the next we see of Sebastian, he's joined Keith's group to create a more modern version of jazz.
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