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15th Apr '16 2:13:12 PM eroock
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->''I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But '''I know it when I see it''', and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.''

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->''I ->''"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; ['hard-core pornography']; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But '''I know it when I see it''', and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.''"''



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29th Feb '16 6:20:08 AM StFan
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* Discussed in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novel ''Discworld/{{Thud}}'' -- it's noted that the {{Stripperiffic}} clothing of exotic dancers is logically more obscene than "great art" showing completely naked women, on the account of (according to Sergeant Colon) the dancers having "No urns", or Plinths, or cupids in their presence.

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
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Discussed in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novel ''Discworld/{{Thud}}'' -- it's noted that the {{Stripperiffic}} clothing of exotic dancers is logically more obscene than "great art" showing completely naked women, on the account of (according to Sergeant Colon) the dancers having "No urns", or Plinths, or cupids in their presence.



** The Ankh-Morpork Fine Art Society -hem, hem-, in ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' is, in a similar manner to the page image, dedicated to the painting of the female form, or at least to having an easel in front of you while you look at it.

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** The Ankh-Morpork Fine Art Society -hem, hem-, in ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' is, in a similar manner to the page image, dedicated to the painting of the female form, or at least to having an easel in front of you while you look at it.
21st Feb '16 12:00:20 PM WaveSwallow
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* The ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' episode "Figure Drawing" had the pair join an art class just so they could stare at the nude model, and try to hit her up. During a break, the model leaves, and is replaced by a male model, which instantly turns them off.
19th Feb '16 5:41:49 AM YasminPerry
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* The {{hentai}} works of famed artist & mangaka Okama really blur the dichotomy between pornography and art, particularly his full-colour, impeccably drawn H manga ''Hanafuda''. Is it jerk-off material, or worthy of being included in a modern art museum? It doesn't help that there's actually a plot.
14th Feb '16 9:32:44 PM skidoo23
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In either case, the item in question will be something very few people would consider "artistic", unless the trope is being [[PlayingWithATrope played with]], particularly if the item in question [[InvertedTrope genuinely does]] possess artistic merit even if it ''is'' porn--i.e., they're defending themselves from the belief that True Art is Clean. After all, who said that porn ''can't'' be art? This trope is something of an inversion of MoralGuardians, who are typically presumed wrong -- hence why MoralGuardians themselves often use this trope in their works. NationalGeographicNudity follows on the same "these naked people are depicted solely for educational purposes" line.

This trope ends up the subject of debate whenever a so-called mainstream film with unsimulated sexual acts is released (such films have turned up in cinemas since the 1960s but have become higher profile in recent years). For some, the simple fact the film is being released in a venue other than an adult video store defines it as "not porn", or if a "notable director" or actors are involved. PornWithoutPlot is ''not'' a delineator as there are many porn films with storylines that go beyond "seducing the pizza delivery boy."

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In either case, the item in question will be something very few people would consider "artistic", unless the trope is being [[PlayingWithATrope played with]], particularly if the item in question [[InvertedTrope genuinely does]] possess artistic merit even if it ''is'' porn--i.e., they're defending themselves from the belief that True Art is Clean. After all, who said that porn ''can't'' be art? This trope is something of an inversion of MoralGuardians, who are typically presumed wrong -- hence why MoralGuardians themselves often use this trope in their works. NationalGeographicNudity follows on the same "these naked people are depicted solely for educational purposes" line.

line, not just in the trope-naming magazine, but in other venues too (including an entire genre of magazine dedicated to nudism which was presumably educational to those interested in that subject matter ... but as with National Geographic served other purposes for other readers.

This trope ends up the subject of debate whenever a so-called mainstream film with unsimulated sexual acts is released (such films have turned up in cinemas since the 1960s but have become higher profile in recent years).years), or in the case of an increasing number of TV series and films, increased explicitness that stops just short of unsimulated. For some, the simple fact the film is being released in a venue other than an adult video store defines it as "not porn", or if a "notable director" or actors are involved. PornWithoutPlot is ''not'' a delineator as there are many porn films with storylines that go beyond "seducing the pizza delivery boy."
13th Feb '16 6:01:25 AM AgProv
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* The "marie's Sculpture" episode of ''Series/EverybodyLovesRaymond'', in which Marie Barone's energies are diverted into an art and sculpture class. Everyone relaxes. Until she comes home with an abstract statue full of pleasing curves and visual symettries which looks, at first glance, like an unfolding flower. But at ''second'' glance it looks like the female genitals. Once this association is made, the wider Barone family find it hard ''not'' to see.... [[note]]Still not seen in Great Britain and omitted from series re-runs because of the graphic sculpture prominently placed in full view[[/note]]
15th Jan '16 10:57:52 AM Anddrix
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* Possibly {{averted|Trope}} or {{inverted|Trope}} but definitely {{lampshade|Hanging}}d is Creator/AlanMoore's ''Lost Girls''. An incredibly beautiful graphic novel series done in watercolours about [[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice]], [[Literature/PeterPan Wendy]], and [[TheWizardOfOz Dorothy]] meeting each other as grown women... and the [[SlashFic copious amounts of raunchy sex]] they have, with [[GirlOnGirlIsHot each other]], with many people in their youth (the framing device is all the "fairy tales" are actually the girl's first/continuing encounters with sex, with references as to how sex acts became story points) and various [[DepravedBisexual other guests]] at the hotel they happen to find themselves at. It is rigorously defended as "high art" by almost all critics, has fairly good standing amongst the literature circles, despite the vast amounts of sexual depravity and indulgence; and Moore will swear up and down they are all [[ViewersAreMorons idiots]] and ''Lost Girls'' is nothing but porn. Well drawn and well written porn, maybe, but still ''porn''.

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* Possibly {{averted|Trope}} or {{inverted|Trope}} but definitely {{lampshade|Hanging}}d is Creator/AlanMoore's ''Lost Girls''. An incredibly beautiful graphic novel series done in watercolours about [[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice]], [[Literature/PeterPan Wendy]], and [[TheWizardOfOz Dorothy]] meeting each other as grown women... and the [[SlashFic copious amounts of raunchy sex]] they have, with [[GirlOnGirlIsHot each other]], with many people in their youth (the framing device is all the "fairy tales" are actually the girl's first/continuing encounters with sex, with references as to how sex acts became story points) and various [[DepravedBisexual other guests]] at the hotel they happen to find themselves at. It is rigorously defended as "high art" by almost all critics, has fairly good standing amongst the literature circles, despite the vast amounts of sexual depravity and indulgence; and Moore will swear up and down they are all [[ViewersAreMorons idiots]] idiots and ''Lost Girls'' is nothing but porn. Well drawn and well written porn, maybe, but still ''porn''.
7th Jan '16 10:10:14 PM kataangluvr
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* One of the biggest disclaimer regarding infamous {{Shotacon}} series, ''Boku no Pico'' and ''Maid Boy Kuro''. At the beginning of each OVA, a disclaimer appears, saying that they don't condone child pornography.
7th Jan '16 2:10:37 PM DaibhidC
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** The Ankh-Morpork Fine Art Society -hem, hem-, in ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' is, in a similar manner to the page image, dedicated to the painting of the female form, or at least to having an easel in front of you while you look at it.
3rd Jan '16 10:24:37 AM WillKeaton
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* This is a common topic of discussion of Website/DeviantArt. The webpage allows frontal nudity (since it is considered art) but nothing that seems porn/hentai (example: someone grabbing a naked woman's boob). This leads to some conflict, because some "artists" upload pictures or their model/girlfriend/themselves with their legs opened in a less-than-subtle way [[note]]leading to phrases like "I am no gynecologist, so how come I am always looking at pussy here?"[[/note]]; whereas more artistic drawings/photos are rejected because they show person-to-person contact.

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* This is a common topic of discussion of Website/DeviantArt. The webpage allows frontal nudity (since it is considered art) but nothing that seems porn/hentai (example: someone grabbing a naked woman's boob). This leads to some conflict, because some "artists" upload pictures or their model/girlfriend/themselves with their legs opened in a less-than-subtle way way, [[note]]leading to phrases like "I am no gynecologist, so how come I am always looking at pussy here?"[[/note]]; here?"[[/note]] whereas more artistic drawings/photos are rejected because they show person-to-person contact.



* {{Hex Sign}}s that include sexual images, such as [[http://www.zaubereigarten.com/betweenthesheets.htm O. Henrietta and Hunter Yoder's hex series "Between The Sheets"]], which was criticized by the traditional Hex Art community as being "overly Liberal", especially the pieces with pro-feminism themes.

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* {{Hex Sign}}s that include sexual images, such as [[http://www.zaubereigarten.com/betweenthesheets.htm O. Henrietta and Hunter Yoder's hex series "Between The Sheets"]], Sheets,"]] which was criticized by the traditional Hex Art community as being "overly Liberal", especially the pieces with pro-feminism themes.
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