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16th Jan '18 6:43:22 AM Freezer
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* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' has the title character insulting Akane by saying that she's flat-chested. In most media, especially swimsuit episodes, Akane seems to be on the high end of average. Its just that most other females of her age group like [[WorldOfBuxom female Ranma, Nabiki, Kasumi, Kodachi and Shampoo are incredibly stacked]]. Likewise with Ranma's appraisal of Akane's martial arts ability: she's one of the best martial artists in Nerima, able to pummel a horde of schoolboys unconscious everyday. [[OvershadowedByAwesome Almost everyone else who hangs out with Ranma is better]].
25th Nov '17 12:19:53 PM starofjusticev21
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*** Alternatively, Bella is the [[UnreliableNarrator narrator]] so this could just be her self esteem issues talking. Plus her mass appeal seemed largely due to her being the new girl from an exotically distant locale rather than because she was especially good with people.

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*** Alternatively, Bella is the [[UnreliableNarrator narrator]] so this could just be her self esteem issues talking. Plus her mass appeal seemed largely due to her being the new girl from an exotically distant locale rather than because she was especially good with people. Self esteem issues or no, though, the depictions of the various characters over the next few books show most of them wanting to be Bella's friend, wanting to go out with her, or being bitterly jealous of her.
10th Nov '17 6:09:57 PM merotoker
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** In one of the episodes Usagi lists a bunch of her faults, one of them is that she's flat-chested. Her actual appearance contradicts that.

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** In one of the episodes Usagi lists a bunch of her faults, one of them is being that she's flat-chested. Her actual appearance contradicts that.



* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable'': Josuke is afraid of turtles. You only hear of this in the beginning when first introduced to him and it could have been used as a tactic against him by [[BigBad Kira]], like having an enemy Stand that turned things into turtles or even just resembled one.

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable'': ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable'': Josuke is afraid of turtles. You only hear of this in the beginning when first introduced to him and it could have been used as a tactic against him by [[BigBad Kira]], like having an enemy Stand that turned things into turtles or even just resembled one.



* ''Anime/DeathNote'': Matsuda is well-known for being an idiot, but this isn't really that evident. While he does tend to goof off, and isn't the brightest guy around, he's clearly competent enough to be on the task force. Plus, you can't help but look slow when you're in the same events as Light and L. If you watch any scene where the task force discusses their next move, Matsuda will usually raise at least one good point. He also [[TookALevelInBadass level grinds in competence]] in his DayInTheLimelight, where he manages to infiltrate Yotsuba, discover where a secret meeting is taking place, and narrow down the list of suspects from hundreds to eight. Then when caught, he plays one fast game of XanatosSpeedChess, using an alias he's barely familiar with, and fakes his own death without showing fear or breaking character. [[spoiler: And of course, he tops himself in the final episode]].

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* ''Anime/DeathNote'': Matsuda is well-known for being an idiot, but this isn't really that evident. While he does tend to goof off, and isn't the brightest guy around, he's clearly competent enough to be on the task force. Plus, you can't help but look slow when you're in the same events as Light and L. If you watch any scene where the task force discusses their next move, Matsuda will usually raise at least one good point. He also [[TookALevelInBadass level grinds in competence]] in his DayInTheLimelight, during ADayInTheLimelight, where he manages to infiltrate Yotsuba, discover where a secret meeting is taking place, and narrow down the list of suspects from hundreds to eight. Then when caught, he plays one fast game of XanatosSpeedChess, using an alias he's barely familiar with, and fakes his own death without showing fear or breaking character. [[spoiler: And of course, he tops himself in the final episode]]. episode.]]



* In WebVideo/FriendshipIsWitchcraft, Spike is apparently incredibly fat. He clearly isn't. This just reinforces how he is the eternal ButtMonkey of this universe.

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* In WebVideo/FriendshipIsWitchcraft, ''WebVideo/FriendshipIsWitchcraft'', Spike is apparently incredibly fat. He clearly isn't. This just reinforces how he is the eternal ButtMonkey of this universe.



* In ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, Admiral Allison Nimitz really, really doesn't like working with the Pandorans and inhabitants of that wider galaxy because they're "uncivilized." She does anyway, claiming the GodzillaThreshold has been crossed, but given everything that's happened (and indeed looking at things Trans-Galactic Republic forces [[NotSoDifferent participated in previously]] such as at a minimum ignoring tyranny spreading as a result of their technology) her complaints [[{{Hypocrite}} fall flat]]. Further, the actions of the [[MegaCorp mega-corps]] [[JustifiedTrope make sense in their own universe]], which is even discussed by a Trans-Galactic Republic captain, alluding to [[BlueAndOrangeMorality "blue and orange paint"]].

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* In ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] ''Franchise/MassEffect''[=/=]''Franchise/StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, Admiral Allison Nimitz really, really doesn't like working with the Pandorans and inhabitants of that wider galaxy because they're "uncivilized." She does anyway, claiming the GodzillaThreshold has been crossed, but given everything that's happened (and indeed looking at things Trans-Galactic Republic forces [[NotSoDifferent participated in previously]] such as at a minimum ignoring tyranny spreading as a result of their technology) her complaints [[{{Hypocrite}} fall flat]]. Further, the actions of the [[MegaCorp mega-corps]] [[JustifiedTrope make sense in their own universe]], which is even discussed by a Trans-Galactic Republic captain, alluding to [[BlueAndOrangeMorality "blue and orange paint"]].



* The posters for ''WesternAnimation/IceAge4ContinentalDrift'' described Scrat as [[http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Ice-Age-4-mean-and-mischievous-poster.jpeg mischievous]] when he is actually a ButtMonkey {{Determinator}} who only causes trouble unintentionally (and then suffers worse than anyone from it.)

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* The posters for ''WesternAnimation/IceAge4ContinentalDrift'' described Scrat as [[http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Ice-Age-4-mean-and-mischievous-poster.jpeg [[https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/14/de/5414de6832be072c6e6852ce45c71f6c.jpg mischievous]] when he is actually a ButtMonkey {{Determinator}} who only causes trouble unintentionally (and then suffers worse than anyone from it.)



* Screenwriter Steve Kloves said that the reason Hermione Granger became his favorite ''Literature/HarryPotter'' character was due to her having "no idea" of the effect she has on people, suggesting a certain degree of social ineptitude, yet this trait never seems to come up in [[Film/HarryPotter any of the films]] (except in the first where she butts in a lot of conversations she wasn't invited but that drops fast), where she seems quite capable of socializing with others, despite being a supposedly bookish nerd.

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* Screenwriter Steve Kloves Creator/SteveKloves said that the reason Hermione Granger became his favorite ''Literature/HarryPotter'' character was due to her having "no idea" of the effect she has on people, suggesting a certain degree of social ineptitude, yet this trait never seems to come up in [[Film/HarryPotter any of the films]] (except in the first where she butts in a lot of conversations she wasn't invited but that drops fast), where she seems quite capable of socializing with others, despite being a supposedly bookish nerd.



* In ''Film/TheProducers'' Roger De Bris is supposedly a terrible theatrical director, but he competently stages a production of "Springtime For Hitler" complete with an elaborate BusbyBerkeleyNumber. Of course, his main problem is that he makes everything way too campy; it just happens to work out with "Springtime for Hitler" by pushing it into CrossingTheLineTwice territory.

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* In ''Film/TheProducers'' Roger De Bris is supposedly a terrible theatrical director, but he competently stages a production of "Springtime For Hitler" complete with an elaborate BusbyBerkeleyNumber. Of course, his main problem is that he makes everything way too campy; it just happens to work out with "Springtime for Hitler" by pushing it into CrossingTheLineTwice CrossesTheLineTwice territory.



* ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' places Marco Lombardi in Puragatory to do penance for his sins, but everything Marco says and does demonstrates strong sense of virtue and public responsibility. Since we know nothing about Marco outside of the ''Comedy'', there is no indication as to why Dante choose to put him in Purgatory instead of in Heaven.

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* ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' places Marco Lombardi in Puragatory Purgatory to do penance for his sins, but everything Marco says and does demonstrates strong sense of virtue and public responsibility. Since we know nothing about Marco outside of the ''Comedy'', there is no indication as to why Dante choose to put him in Purgatory instead of in Heaven.



** Leah is often described as a shrew of the highest order, to the point where ''Breaking Dawn'' has Jacob finding it extremely weird to have a civil conversation with her, and everyone agreeing that the miserable life she's living is her own fault. While Leah does say some not nice things, a lot of her "jerkishness", like trying to convince Jacob to stop pursuing Bella because she's getting married, makes a lot of sense. Not to mention that her "shrewish" behavior started after her she lost her fiance to her cousin, turned into a werewolf, went through the stress of her dad dying, and generally had her whole life ruined and screwed up. It is not surprising that haters of the series see Leah as the UnintentionallySympathetic {{Woobie}}, garnering a ''massive'' fanbase in the process.

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** Leah is often described as a shrew of the highest order, to the point where ''Breaking Dawn'' has Jacob finding it extremely weird to have a civil conversation with her, and everyone agreeing that the miserable life she's living is her own fault. While Leah does say some not nice things, a lot of her "jerkishness", like trying to convince Jacob to stop pursuing Bella because she's getting married, makes a lot of sense. Not to mention that her "shrewish" behavior started after her she lost her fiance to her cousin, turned into a werewolf, went through the stress of her dad dying, and generally had her whole life ruined and screwed up. It is not surprising that haters of the series see Leah as the UnintentionallySympathetic {{Woobie}}, [[TheWoobie Woobie]], garnering a ''massive'' fanbase in the process.



* {{Series/Arrow}}: Oliver is stated in first episode to have multiple old injuries including twelve fractures that never properly healed. These wounds never take it's toll when he's jumping on the rooftops, beating up bad guys to a pulp and being the biggest BadassNormal of the {{Seires/Arrowverse}}

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* {{Series/Arrow}}: ''{{Series/Arrow}}'': Oliver is stated in the first episode to have multiple old injuries including twelve fractures that never properly healed. These wounds never take it's toll when he's jumping on the rooftops, beating up bad guys to a pulp and being the biggest BadassNormal of the {{Seires/Arrowverse}}''{{Seires/Arrowverse}}''.



* Liz Lemon of ''Series/ThirtyRock'' is often described as, at best, homely, despite being played by Tina Fey. It's explained in universe/by breaking the 4th wall when Liz steps in front of an High Definition camera, which reveals that her face looks like it belongs to the Wicked Witch of the West.

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* Liz Lemon of ''Series/ThirtyRock'' is often described as, at best, homely, despite being played by Tina Fey. It's explained in universe/by breaking the 4th wall when Liz steps in front of an a High Definition camera, which reveals that her face looks like it belongs to the Wicked Witch of the West.



** Chandler being bad with women in later seasons. Early in the show, writers occasionally make him shy about chatting up women or women being put off by a joke that falls flat. However, he's usually viewed as being the "funny one", able to swoop in and charm women with a laid back attitude and humour. His problems with women are pinned down as being commitment phobia, not getting women in the first place. After his relationship with Monica kicks off, he's increasingly written as the guy that can't even chat women up and mocked by the gang for being so bad with women. This is despite being the only guy in a stable, functional, happy relationship with a beautiful woman while Joey and Ross are single, divorced, pining for people they can't have, or otherwise completely dysfuinctional about women.

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** Chandler being bad with women in later seasons. Early in the show, writers occasionally make him shy about chatting up women or women being put off by a joke that falls flat. However, he's usually viewed as being the "funny one", able to swoop in and charm women with a laid back attitude and humour. His problems with women are pinned down as being commitment phobia, not getting women in the first place. After his relationship with Monica kicks off, he's increasingly written as the guy that can't even chat women up and mocked by the gang for being so bad with women. This is despite being the only guy in a stable, functional, happy relationship with a beautiful woman while Joey and Ross are single, divorced, pining for people they can't have, or otherwise completely dysfuinctional dysfunctional about women.



* The Angels in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' are supposed to be emotionless and unable to have feelings [[spoiler: that's why Anna decided to remove her grace and became a human]]...yet they show lots of emotions through the entire series...

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* The Angels in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' are supposed to be emotionless and unable to have feelings feelings. [[spoiler: that's That's why Anna decided to remove her grace and became a human]]...yet they show lots of emotions through the entire series...



* The ancient Greeks often described Herakles as dumb or at least less clever than other classical heroes. This is in stark contrast to a man who found an unconventional and clever way (combined with a hell of a lot strength) to solve almost all of his problems. This all may simply come from the need to give Herakles a flaw, as the adventures of a [[BoringInvincibleHero genius with super strength would be a lot less suspenseful.]]

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* The ancient Greeks often described Herakles [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Herakles]] as dumb or at least less clever than other classical heroes. This is in stark contrast to a man who found an unconventional and clever way (combined with a hell of a lot strength) to solve almost all of his problems. This all may simply come from the need to give Herakles a flaw, as the adventures of a [[BoringInvincibleHero [[InvincibleHero genius with super strength would be a lot less suspenseful.]]



* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'': Master Xehanort believes the Worlds have a "tyranny of Light" and must be balanced out with Darkness. First problem is, the universe is segregated into planes of Light and Dark, and the main settings happen to all be in the Realm of Light. Second problem is, the Realm of Darkness is a {{Hell}}ish EldritchLocation no one would want to live in (What's the appeal of Darkness exactly?). Third problem is, all the major threats (even the extraordinarily rare LightIsNotGood examples) have been Darkness-aligned, whereas all the major solutions (even the extraordinarily rare DarkIsNotEvil examples) have been Light-aligned. All of this, along with him being such a PersonOfMassDestruction {{Sociopath}} who clearly favors Darkness anyway, is why he's so UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to many players.

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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'': Master Xehanort believes the Worlds have a "tyranny of Light" and must be balanced out with Darkness. First problem is, the universe is segregated into planes of Light and Dark, and the main settings happen to all be in the Realm of Light. Second problem is, the Realm of Darkness is a {{Hell}}ish EldritchLocation no one would want to live in (What's the appeal of Darkness exactly?). Third problem is, all the major threats (even the extraordinarily rare LightIsNotGood examples) have been Darkness-aligned, whereas all the major solutions (even the extraordinarily rare DarkIsNotEvil examples) have been Light-aligned. All of this, along with him being such a PersonOfMassDestruction {{Sociopath}} [[TheSociopath Sociopath]] who clearly favors Darkness anyway, is why he's so UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to many players.



* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'': The ending of ''Radiant Dawn'' says Aran became known for his honest, if clumsy, work. However, none of his ([[DemotedtoExtra admittedly little]]) dialogue suggests that he is clumsy at all, and his fantastic Skill growth would imply that he's not clumsy at all.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'': The ending of ''Radiant Dawn'' says Aran became known for his honest, if clumsy, work. However, none of his ([[DemotedtoExtra ([[DemotedToExtra admittedly little]]) dialogue suggests that he is clumsy at all, and his fantastic Skill growth would imply that he's not clumsy at all.



* A plot point in ''VideoGame/Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future'' is that the Foe stole virtues (actual literal virtues, like Compassion and Intelligence) from the dolphins, but in practice the 'altered' dolphins don't ''completely'' lack those traits. One of them helps you solve a puzzle in the level ''Master of Forgotten Skills'', and another is desperate to save his ill father. It's more like those traits are weaker, or fewer dolphins have them, than that they are gone completely.

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* A plot point in ''VideoGame/Ecco the Dolphin: ''VideoGame/EccoTheDolphin: Defender of the Future'' is that the Foe stole virtues (actual literal virtues, like Compassion and Intelligence) from the dolphins, but in practice the 'altered' dolphins don't ''completely'' lack those traits. One of them helps you solve a puzzle in the level ''Master of Forgotten Skills'', and another is desperate to save his ill father. It's more like those traits are weaker, or fewer dolphins have them, than that they are gone completely.



** PlayedForLaughs during a Tales Of Interest segment parodying ''Film/TheWizardOfOz''. The introduction of the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion are all rushed through without giving them much of a chance to show off ''why'' they need what they need from the Professor, until Zoidberg just pulls up in a taxi as the Cowardly Lion (without a costume) and flatly proclaims, "And I'm the third guy. Courage. Not enough of it."

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** PlayedForLaughs during a Tales Of Interest "Tales of Interest" segment parodying [[OffToSeeTheWizard parodying]] ''Film/TheWizardOfOz''. The introduction of the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion are all rushed through without giving them much of a chance to show off ''why'' they need what they need from the Professor, until Zoidberg just pulls up in a taxi as the Cowardly Lion (without a costume) and flatly proclaims, "And I'm the third guy. Courage. Not enough of it."



* In ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Jon is said to have a terrible singing voice. However, anyone with an ear can hear that Thom Huge actually has a nice singing voice. Otherwise, he would not have been asked to perform the musical numbers.
** Also, his ability to cook is questioned... obviously he can make lasagna capably, and presumably other dishes as well; however, when he deviates from his small store of pat recipes and experiments, the results leave much to be desired (he once used mayonnaise as a substitute for some necessary ingredient, reasoning that "it's the same color"). Even Garfield won't touch these culinary abortions.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Jon is said to have a terrible singing voice. However, anyone with an ear can hear that Thom Huge actually has a nice singing voice. Otherwise, he would not have been asked to perform the musical numbers.
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numbers. Also, his ability to cook is questioned... obviously he can make lasagna capably, and presumably other dishes as well; however, when he deviates from his small store of pat recipes and experiments, the results leave much to be desired (he once used mayonnaise as a substitute for some necessary ingredient, reasoning that "it's the same color"). Even Garfield won't touch these culinary abortions.



* ''WesternAnimation/HotWheelsBattleForce5'': Kryosis is said to be incredibly arrogant even more so than Stanford to whom he's an EvilCounterpart to. In the show itself he barely says much and usually functions to shoot at stuff. In his DayInTheLimelight webisode he's portrayed as a calculating warrior who manipulates his comrade to psyche him up for a fight, which he later explains and is thanked for.

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* ''WesternAnimation/HotWheelsBattleForce5'': Kryosis is said to be incredibly arrogant even more so than Stanford to whom he's an EvilCounterpart to. In the show itself he barely says much and usually functions to shoot at stuff. In his DayInTheLimelight ADayInTheLimelight webisode he's portrayed as a calculating warrior who manipulates his comrade to psyche him up for a fight, which he later explains and is thanked for.
10th Nov '17 12:41:14 PM DarkHunter
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* In ''VideoGame/FateExtra CCC'', Elizabeth Bathory is said to have zero talent for writing songs and is tone-deaf, to the point that her Noble Phantasm is belting out a song through castle sized amplifiers (though one might argue that any sound blasted out of amps that powerful would be severely damaging). In ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'', we do hear her sing, and while the lyrics are trashy, her actual singing is very good. All the characters still react as though it grates on their ears.
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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'': Hunter Zolomon/Zoom, BigBad of season 2, is revealed to take a drug called Velocity-6 (and later versions until 9) that enhances his speed but in the process it starts to weaken him and he needs to steal Barry's speed in order to survive the cellular degeneration. Except we never see this actually affect him in any way. By contrast, the one-shot villain Trajectory uses Velocity-9 but it causes both an addiction and a mental breakdown that results in a split personality and it's effects end up killing her. Granted, Zoom was already a speedster, thus he already has the speed force in him to keep him active longer, but he still manages to win out almost every encounter with The Flash despite his insistence he's dying.
4th Nov '17 3:59:00 PM DaibhidC
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* In the Edinburgh episode of ''Radio/JohnFinnemoresSouvenirProgramme'', the Storyteller sketch has him explain that his inability to pronounce "f" and "th" sounds led to him being discharged from the Third And Fourth (Forthshire) Fusiliers, only to instead join his uncle Theodore Finnemore's Thimble Factory, where he works under Thaddeus [=McFarlane=] procuring fingers and thumbs. And, for the purposes of telling the story, he has no problem describing any of this.

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* In the Edinburgh episode of ''Radio/JohnFinnemoresSouvenirProgramme'', the Storyteller sketch has him explain that his inability to pronounce "f" and "th" sounds led to him being discharged from the Third And Fourth (Forthshire) Fusiliers, only to instead join his uncle Theodore Finnemore's Thimble Factory, where he works under Thaddeus [=McFarlane=] procuring fingers and thumbs. And, for the purposes of telling the story, he has no problem describing any of this. Indeed, at one point, even within the story, he's able to announce his realisiation that "Theodore Finnemore is the foremost thumb-fence this side of the Firth of Forth".
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* In the Edinburgh episode of ''Radio/JohnFinnemoresSouvenirProgramme'', the Storyteller sketch has him explain that his inability to pronounce "f" and "th" sounds led to him being discharged from the Third And Fourth (Forthshire) Fusiliers, only to instead join his uncle Theodore Finnemore's Thimble Factory, where he works under Thaddeus [=McFarlane=] procuring fingers and thumbs. And, for the purposes of telling the story, he has no problem describing any of this.
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* In ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]'', Pellaeon is said to have little charisma. What does he do in that series? Display more persuasive ability and likability than anyone else on his side. Before that was written, he was known to have taken command of what was left of the fleet during the disaster at Endor, calling the retreat. [[Literature/HandOfThrawn After this was written]] he set up a [[PeaceConference peace treaty]] with the New Republic and talked the Imperial Remnant into accepting it. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, that's something someone with little charisma can do]].
* In ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', people keep saying that Roland is a slow thinker who lacks imagination, yet he comes up with many an inventive strategy and thinks quickly on his feet in more than a few occasions.
* ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' places Marco Lombardi in Puragatory to do penance for his sins, but everything Marco says and does demonstrates strong sense of virtue and public responsibility. Since we know nothing about Marco outside of the ''Comedy'', there is no indication as to why Dante choose to put him in Purgatory instead of in Heaven.
* In ''Literature/EndersGame'', Bean is claimed to be bad at commanding large armies, but can use a few as precisely as a scalpel. Why he would be bad with large armies is never given any examples past being stated so... until the POVSequel ''Literature/EndersShadow'' which revealed said trait was in fact a lie to keep Bean from shouldering too many responsibilities because he's Ender's replacement in case he fails. Being a P.O.V. sequel also gives it more time to show that the lie does have a bit of truth to it; Bean's tactics are excellent, but morale under his command tends to be low because he's not good at empathizing with others.



* ''Literature/{{GONE}}'' series:
** [[DarkChick Diana]] is apparently a "slut" who really gets around, which is admitted by even Diana herself. In fact, in previous books she even wears the label proudly despite many characters ([[InsufferableGenius Astrid]], [[BadassGay Dekka]], [[GenkiGirl Brianna]], [[TheDragon Drake]]) thinking ill of her for it and making it her main identifier in the series, apart from her being "beautiful and snarky". However, she's only been in a romantic relationship with [[BigBad Caine]] in the duration of the series, and spent a lot of time declining his advances too. She's never cheated in the series or flirted with anyone but Caine, leading some fans to think this reputation is unfair. Unfortunately can be a case of TruthInTelevision, seeing as some young girls tend to get labelled by their peers as "sluts" based on appearance and demeanor rather than actions.
** Sam's flaw is how he's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w_yz5Ekaz0 "always trying to play the hero"]] and how it constantly backfires on him despite him doing the right thing...It seems to be more [[AngstDissonance self pity in recent installments of the series]] (reasons for the self pity ranging from having to be the leader, ''not'' being the leader, everything going wrong, nothing going wrong and it being boring, his girlfriend refusing to be pressured into sex and repercussions from '''cheating'''). But he's the nice guy who does the right thing always and gets [[MarySue disproportionate retribution from his godly sacrifices.]]
* Gideon Lightwood from ''Literature/TheInfernalDevices'', is supposedly an even bigger {{Jerkass}} than his little brother, although he's shown himself to be nicer than Gabriel. Considering that was Will speaking, it's no wonder[[note]][[CharacterDevelopment He ''was'' possibly a bigger asshole than Gabriel, but he shaped up during his time in Spain]][[/note]].
* ''Literature/JeevesAndWooster'': Bertie Wooster claims to have terrible luck with women in general, only being able to attract a certain type. It seems that that type is the only one who ever shows up in the stories.
* In John Ringo's ''Literature/PaladinOfShadows'' series, the main character is said to have degenerative injuries from years in the [=SEALs=] that forced him off the teams and out of the Navy itself. Precisely, "degenerative damage in half the major joints in his body and a back that was compacted enough for a fifty-year-old," none of which slows him down at any point. He needs to stretch at the start of the first book, he wakes up stiff halfway through the book, it gets a brief mention once or twice in the second or third books and then is never mentioned again. This wouldn't be that big a deal, but he's [[TropicalEpilogue not lounging on a beach sipping a drink]], he's running and gunning with people half his age.



* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'': Bianca, as a child of Hades, is said to have a fatal flaw of holding grudges, but it never really shows up, though the book doesn't have much of a chance to show it before [[spoiler:her death]]. Even after that happens, she doesn't seem to hold any grudges at all, much to the frustration of her brother Nico (who blames Percy).
* ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'': Some mentions of the Bloodwrath mention that those cursed with it can't tell friend from foe and end up attacking their own allies without realizing it. Except that we've never seen any evidence that this could happen, making the Bloodwrath [[CursedWithAwesome more awesome than cursed.]] It's possible everyone realises that one should stay out of the way of people like that.
* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'' plays with this trope in regards to the narrator. Lemony often compares himself to the Baudelaires and finds himself wanting, and calls himself a coward. However, his "autobiographical" series, ''Literature/AllTheWrongQuestions'', shows that he is every bit as courageous and capable as the Baudelaires and even exceeds them in certain aspects (unlike the Baudelaires, Snicket has a more intuitive grasp of people and is capable of pulling off a BatmanGambit at need).



* In ''[[Literature/TheCallistaTrilogy Darksaber]]'', Pellaeon is said to have little charisma. What does he do in that series? Display more persuasive ability and likability than anyone else on his side. Before that was written, he was known to have taken command of what was left of the fleet during the disaster at Endor, calling the retreat. [[Literature/HandOfThrawn After this was written]] he set up a [[PeaceConference peace treaty]] with the New Republic and talked the Imperial Remnant into accepting it. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, that's something someone with little charisma can do]].
* In one book of the ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'', Wedge Antilles' childhood friend Mirax teases him about his ego, saying that it's so big he thinks he can control it. Wedge's pride is barely shown at all - in ''Wraith Squadron'' he puts up with one of his pilots saying that at twenty-eight he's too old for the job to a point and then challenges her to a race and wins, but he doesn't even rub it in. He once goes on a [[TranquilFury spectacularly destructive but strategically unnecessary strafing run because a TIE pilot and the ground defenses "irked" him for almost shooting him down,]] but that incident is never followed up on. Wedge is happy getting little credit, and once when playing a gambit for the benefit of one of his pilots regrets that credit will go to him and not them. Granted, Mirax ''also'' says (in the same dialogue, no less) that as a redeeming characteristic, he usually ''can'' (and does) keep it in check. [[BewareTheNiceOnes And those few times he doesn't, it's usually his enemies that are the worse off for it.]] In ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'' has the sixty-year-old Wedge say that he knows he wasn't involved in a particular plan because that plan had failed. He's got much more of an ego ''after'' the X-Wing novels, though those are the books which show him in the most detail.



* For a guy who claims he was far too squeamish to finish medical school, Escott from ''Literature/TheVampireFiles'' seems awfully at-ease with collecting bottles full of cow blood for Jack every couple of books [[spoiler: or even letting Jack bite his wrist when he's ''really'' horrifically injured]].

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* For a guy who claims he was far too squeamish In the ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' series, main character Jon Tom is usually mentioned to finish medical school, Escott from ''Literature/TheVampireFiles'' seems awfully at-ease with collecting bottles full of cow blood for Jack every couple of books [[spoiler: or even letting Jack bite be a horrible singer by everyone, including himself. It's a minor plot point in the first novel (when his wrist when singing actually starts a bar fight), but after that is mostly just something that the other characters will occasionally mock him for.
** This could be partly because he tries to take singing ''lessons'' over the course of the series (which covers over two decades in-universe), and partly because by the standards of the setting
he's ''really'' horrifically injured]].in (rock and its derivatives are unknown and there are common species with innately more melodic voices than humans) his singing style ''is'' much harsher than anyone's used to. Whether and how much it's an actual flaw (as he's making music for magic rather than audience entertainment) is never really clear.



* ''Literature/JeevesAndWooster'': Bertie Wooster claims to have terrible luck with women in general, only being able to attract a certain type. It seems that that type is the only one who ever shows up in the stories.
* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'': Bianca, as a child of Hades, is said to have a fatal flaw of holding grudges, but it never really shows up, though the book doesn't have much of a chance to show it before [[spoiler:her death]]. Even after that happens, she doesn't seem to hold any grudges at all, much to the frustration of her brother Nico (who blames Percy).
* ''Literature/{{GONE}}'' series:
** [[DarkChick Diana]] is apparently a "slut" who really gets around, which is admitted by even Diana herself. In fact, in previous books she even wears the label proudly despite many characters ([[InsufferableGenius Astrid]], [[BadassGay Dekka]], [[GenkiGirl Brianna]], [[TheDragon Drake]]) thinking ill of her for it and making it her main identifier in the series, apart from her being "beautiful and snarky". However, she's only been in a romantic relationship with [[BigBad Caine]] in the duration of the series, and spent a lot of time declining his advances too. She's never cheated in the series or flirted with anyone but Caine, leading some fans to think this reputation is unfair. Unfortunately can be a case of TruthInTelevision, seeing as some young girls tend to get labelled by their peers as "sluts" based on appearance and demeanor rather than actions.
** Sam's flaw is how he's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w_yz5Ekaz0 "always trying to play the hero"]] and how it constantly backfires on him despite him doing the right thing...It seems to be more [[AngstDissonance self pity in recent installments of the series]] (reasons for the self pity ranging from having to be the leader, ''not'' being the leader, everything going wrong, nothing going wrong and it being boring, his girlfriend refusing to be pressured into sex and repercussions from '''cheating'''). But he's the nice guy who does the right thing always and gets [[MarySue disproportionate retribution from his godly sacrifices.]]



** Jessica and her group, with the exception of Angela, are described quite differently than what they are. Bella says they're shallow, annoying, clingy, and rude. Indeed, right after meeting Jessica, Bella thinks to herself that Jessica just wants to be her friend to be popular, but we never find out what made Bella think that. In ''Midnight Sun'' (a POVSequel starring Edward) his mind reading depicts them this way, too, but many people feel this is out of character, and essentially Meyer trying to confirm her assertions. Basically, Jessica was already popular, and Bella was never sociable enough to help her with that even if she weren't.
* In John Ringo's ''Literature/PaladinOfShadows'' series, the main character is said to have degenerative injuries from years in the [=SEALs=] that forced him off the teams and out of the Navy itself. Precisely, "degenerative damage in half the major joints in his body and a back that was compacted enough for a fifty-year-old," none of which slows him down at any point. He needs to stretch at the start of the first book, he wakes up stiff halfway through the book, it gets a brief mention once or twice in the second or third books and then is never mentioned again. This wouldn't be that big a deal, but he's [[TropicalEpilogue not lounging on a beach sipping a drink]], he's running and gunning with people half his age.
* In ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', people keep saying that Roland is a slow thinker who lacks imagination, yet he comes up with many an inventive strategy and thinks quickly on his feet in more than a few occasions.
* In ''Literature/EndersGame'', Bean is claimed to be bad at commanding large armies, but can use a few as precisely as a scalpel. Why he would be bad with large armies is never given any examples past being stated so... until the POVSequel ''Literature/EndersShadow'' which revealed said trait was in fact a lie to keep Bean from shouldering too many responsibilities because he's Ender's replacement in case he fails. Being a P.O.V. sequel also gives it more time to show that the lie does have a bit of truth to it; Bean's tactics are excellent, but morale under his command tends to be low because he's not good at empathizing with others.
* In the ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' series, main character Jon Tom is usually mentioned to be a horrible singer by everyone, including himself. It's a minor plot point in the first novel (when his singing actually starts a bar fight), but after that is mostly just something that the other characters will occasionally mock him for.
** This could be partly because he tries to take singing ''lessons'' over the course of the series (which covers over two decades in-universe), and partly because by the standards of the setting he's in (rock and its derivatives are unknown and there are common species with innately more melodic voices than humans) his singing style ''is'' much harsher than anyone's used to. Whether and how much it's an actual flaw (as he's making music for magic rather than audience entertainment) is never really clear.
* Gideon Lightwood from ''Literature/TheInfernalDevices'', is supposedly an even bigger {{Jerkass}} than his little brother, although he's shown himself to be nicer than Gabriel. Considering that was Will speaking, it's no wonder[[note]][[CharacterDevelopment He ''was'' possibly a bigger asshole than Gabriel, but he shaped up during his time in Spain]][[/note]].
* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'' plays with this trope in regards to the narrator. Lemony often compares himself to the Baudelaires and finds himself wanting, and calls himself a coward. However, his "autobiographical" series, ''Literature/AllTheWrongQuestions'', shows that he is every bit as courageous and capable as the Baudelaires and even exceeds them in certain aspects (unlike the Baudelaires, Snicket has a more intuitive grasp of people and is capable of pulling off a BatmanGambit at need).
* In ''[[Literature/WarriorCats The First Battle]]'''s finale, [[spoiler:proto-[=StarClan=]]] shows up to tell both the protagonists and the antagonists what horrible people they are for fighting. The fact that the Moor Group were fighting ''to protect themselves from being slaughtered by the BigBad'', who they had unsuccessfully tried to reason with before, is never really acknowledged.

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** Jessica and her group, with the exception of Angela, are described quite differently than what they are. Bella says they're shallow, annoying, clingy, and rude. Indeed, right after meeting Jessica, Bella thinks to herself that Jessica just wants to be her friend to be popular, but we never find out what made Bella think that. In ''Midnight Sun'' (a POVSequel starring Edward) his mind reading depicts them this way, too, but many people feel this is out of character, and essentially Meyer trying to confirm her assertions. Basically, Jessica was already popular, and Bella was never sociable enough to help her with that even if she weren't.
weren't.\
* In John Ringo's ''Literature/PaladinOfShadows'' series, the main character is said For a guy who claims he was far too squeamish to have degenerative injuries finish medical school, Escott from years in the [=SEALs=] that forced him off the teams and out ''Literature/TheVampireFiles'' seems awfully at-ease with collecting bottles full of the Navy itself. Precisely, "degenerative damage in half the major joints in his body and a back that was compacted enough cow blood for a fifty-year-old," none Jack every couple of which slows him down at any point. He needs to stretch at the start of the first book, he wakes up stiff halfway through the book, it gets a brief mention once or twice in the second or third books and then is never mentioned again. This wouldn't be that big a deal, but [[spoiler: or even letting Jack bite his wrist when he's [[TropicalEpilogue not lounging on a beach sipping a drink]], he's running and gunning with people half his age.
* In ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'', people keep saying that Roland is a slow thinker who lacks imagination, yet he comes up with many an inventive strategy and thinks quickly on his feet in more than a few occasions.
* In ''Literature/EndersGame'', Bean is claimed to be bad at commanding large armies, but can use a few as precisely as a scalpel. Why he would be bad with large armies is never given any examples past being stated so... until the POVSequel ''Literature/EndersShadow'' which revealed said trait was in fact a lie to keep Bean from shouldering too many responsibilities because he's Ender's replacement in case he fails. Being a P.O.V. sequel also gives it more time to show that the lie does have a bit of truth to it; Bean's tactics are excellent, but morale under his command tends to be low because he's not good at empathizing with others.
* In the ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' series, main character Jon Tom is usually mentioned to be a horrible singer by everyone, including himself. It's a minor plot point in the first novel (when his singing actually starts a bar fight), but after that is mostly just something that the other characters will occasionally mock him for.
** This could be partly because he tries to take singing ''lessons'' over the course of the series (which covers over two decades in-universe), and partly because by the standards of the setting he's in (rock and its derivatives are unknown and there are common species with innately more melodic voices than humans) his singing style ''is'' much harsher than anyone's used to. Whether and how much it's an actual flaw (as he's making music for magic rather than audience entertainment) is never really clear.
* Gideon Lightwood from ''Literature/TheInfernalDevices'', is supposedly an even bigger {{Jerkass}} than his little brother, although he's shown himself to be nicer than Gabriel. Considering that was Will speaking, it's no wonder[[note]][[CharacterDevelopment He ''was'' possibly a bigger asshole than Gabriel, but he shaped up during his time in Spain]][[/note]].
* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'' plays with this trope in regards to the narrator. Lemony often compares himself to the Baudelaires and finds himself wanting, and calls himself a coward. However, his "autobiographical" series, ''Literature/AllTheWrongQuestions'', shows that he is every bit as courageous and capable as the Baudelaires and even exceeds them in certain aspects (unlike the Baudelaires, Snicket has a more intuitive grasp of people and is capable of pulling off a BatmanGambit at need).
* In ''[[Literature/WarriorCats The First Battle]]'''s finale, [[spoiler:proto-[=StarClan=]]] shows up to tell both the protagonists and the antagonists what horrible people they are for fighting. The fact that the Moor Group were fighting ''to protect themselves from being slaughtered by the BigBad'', who they had unsuccessfully tried to reason with before, is never really acknowledged.
''really'' horrifically injured]].



* ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'': Some mentions of the Bloodwrath mention that those cursed with it can't tell friend from foe and end up attacking their own allies without realizing it. Except that we've never seen any evidence that this could happen, making the Bloodwrath [[CursedWithAwesome more awesome than cursed.]] It's possible everyone realises that one should stay out of the way of people like that.

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* ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'': Some mentions In ''Literature/WarriorCats'' book ''The First Battle'''s finale, [[spoiler:proto-[=StarClan=]]] shows up to tell both the protagonists and the antagonists what horrible people they are for fighting. The fact that the Moor Group were fighting ''to protect themselves from being slaughtered by the BigBad'', who they had unsuccessfully tried to reason with before, is never really acknowledged.
* In one book
of the Bloodwrath mention that those cursed with it can't tell ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'', Wedge Antilles' childhood friend from foe and end up attacking their own allies without realizing it. Except Mirax teases him about his ego, saying that we've it's so big he thinks he can control it. Wedge's pride is barely shown at all - in ''Wraith Squadron'' he puts up with one of his pilots saying that at twenty-eight he's too old for the job to a point and then challenges her to a race and wins, but he doesn't even rub it in. He once goes on a [[TranquilFury spectacularly destructive but strategically unnecessary strafing run because a TIE pilot and the ground defenses "irked" him for almost shooting him down,]] but that incident is never seen any evidence followed up on. Wedge is happy getting little credit, and once when playing a gambit for the benefit of one of his pilots regrets that this could happen, making credit will go to him and not them. Granted, Mirax ''also'' says (in the Bloodwrath [[CursedWithAwesome same dialogue, no less) that as a redeeming characteristic, he usually ''can'' (and does) keep it in check. [[BewareTheNiceOnes And those few times he doesn't, it's usually his enemies that are the worse off for it.]] In ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'' has the sixty-year-old Wedge say that he knows he wasn't involved in a particular plan because that plan had failed. He's got much more awesome than cursed.]] It's possible everyone realises that one should stay out of an ego ''after'' the way of people like that.X-Wing novels, though those are the books which show him in the most detail.
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* Sakura on ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is teased for having a large forehead, yet she's not usually drawn with a forehead any bigger than the other characters.

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'':
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Sakura on ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is teased for having a large forehead, yet she's not usually drawn with a forehead any bigger than the other characters.
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** Hodor can only say his own name, but for all that, he seems to entirely understand what people say to him; he just can't say anything back except his own name, which he utters with varying inflections depending on what he means to say. When Meera talks to him in "The Door" about the kind of breakfast she's looking forward to, he answers with increasing enthusiasm as she lists a fried egg, a rasher of bacon, a slice of blood sausage.
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