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20th Jul '16 5:40:44 AM Morgenthaler
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* Garet in the original ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' is mentioned by his little brother to be a [[BigEater compulsive glutton]]. This is never mentioned again in canon (though [[SpinOffspring Tyrell]] gives it a CallBack in ''Dark Dawn''). Likewise, the official Nintendo strategy guide for ''The Lost Age'' directly describes [[TheBrute Agatio]] as "... [[DumbMuscle [lacking] substance between the ears]]". This is the guy who outwits [[TheChessmaster Alex]] to his face, and later [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty sabotages Isaac's party]] because [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy he knows he won't win a fair fight with them]]. Lacking substance ''he ain't''.

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* Garet in the original ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' is mentioned by his little brother to be a [[BigEater compulsive glutton]]. This is never mentioned again in canon (though [[SpinOffspring Tyrell]] gives it a CallBack in ''Dark Dawn''). Likewise, the official Nintendo strategy guide for ''The Lost Age'' directly describes [[TheBrute Agatio]] as "... [[DumbMuscle [lacking] substance between the ears]]". This is the guy who outwits [[TheChessmaster Alex]] to his face, and later [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty sabotages Isaac's party]] because [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy he knows he won't win a fair fight with them]].them. Lacking substance ''he ain't''.
11th Jul '16 9:48:58 AM trixus
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* Screenwriter Steve Kloves said that the reason Hermione Granger became his favorite ''Literature/HarryPotter'' character was due to her having "no idea" of the effect she has on people, suggesting a certain degree of social ineptitude, yet this trait never seems to come up in [[Film/HarryPotter any of the films]], where she seems quite capable of socializing with others, despite being a supposedly bookish nerd.

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* Screenwriter Steve Kloves said that the reason Hermione Granger became his favorite ''Literature/HarryPotter'' character was due to her having "no idea" of the effect she has on people, suggesting a certain degree of social ineptitude, yet this trait never seems to come up in [[Film/HarryPotter any of the films]], films]] (except in the first where she butts in a lot of conversations she wasn't invited but that drops fast), where she seems quite capable of socializing with others, despite being a supposedly bookish nerd.
9th Jul '16 9:01:22 AM BenOfHouston
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** Also, both of them claim that the mercs are illiterate; videos seem to contradict this, as all of them except the Soldier and maybe the Pyro are able to read just fine. (With the Heavy and the Engineer even holding PhDs, the Medic possibly holding one in the past.)

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** Also, both of them claim that the mercs are illiterate; videos seem to contradict this, as all of them except the Soldier and maybe the Pyro are able to read just fine. (With the Heavy and the Engineer even holding PhDs, PhDs and the Medic possibly holding one having an MD, since he had a medical license in the past.)
3rd Jul '16 7:16:18 PM nombretomado
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* Ackar from ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}: The Legend Reborn'' is said to be an old warrior way past his prime, and as such, his people are growing tired of him. Doesn't stop him from performing impossible multi-somersaults and wiping away a gang of marauding Bone Hunters and their dinosaur steeds with ease.

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* Ackar from ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}: ''WesternAnimation/{{Bionicle}}: The Legend Reborn'' is said to be an old warrior way past his prime, and as such, his people are growing tired of him. Doesn't stop him from performing impossible multi-somersaults and wiping away a gang of marauding Bone Hunters and their dinosaur steeds with ease.
19th Jun '16 11:36:58 PM DoctorTItanX
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Much like the InformedAbility, an Informed Flaw is a FatalFlaw that simply doesn't have any effect on the plot or character. It can come up in one of two forms:

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Much like the InformedAbility, an Informed Flaw is a FatalFlaw that simply doesn't have any real effect on the plot event or character. It can come up in one of two forms:



* The [[Creator/FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids dub]] of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' gives Yusei Entomophobia for apparently no other reason than to add an element of fear to his episode 2 duel against an Insect duelist - despite the fact that his character shows no obvious outward signs of being afraid of bugs at all.
* In ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'', people constantly comment on how ''bad'' a duelist Yuma is, more so in the dub, where Astral comments how "I once saw you lose to a vending machine." While Yuma isn't the boring InvincibleHero that previous protagonists in the franchise are (he has lost to both Kaito and Shark) his record is still rather good (likely better than any real-life player of the OCG) and like other protagonists, has defeated entities of god-like power, even without Astral's help at times. (Maybe even ''especially'' without Astral's help. Some of his worst battles have occurred when Astral was incapacitated or hurt.)

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* The [[Creator/FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids dub]] of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' gives Yusei Entomophobia entomophobia for apparently no other reason than to add an element of fear to his episode 2 duel against an Insect duelist - despite the fact that his character shows no obvious outward signs of being afraid of bugs at all.
* In ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'', people constantly comment on how ''bad'' a duelist Yuma is, more so in the dub, where Astral comments how "I once saw you lose to a vending machine." While Yuma isn't the boring InvincibleHero that previous protagonists in the franchise are past have been (he has lost to both Kaito and Shark) his record is still rather good (likely better than any standard, real-life player of the OCG) and like other protagonists, has defeated entities of god-like power, even without Astral's help at times. (Maybe even ''especially'' without Astral's help. Some of his worst battles have occurred when Astral was incapacitated or hurt.)



* In ''Anime/SonicX'', in a rather shabby attempt to make Chris Thorndyke likable, he often complains about being rich meaning he doesn't have any real friends, and his parents never being home. While at first this seems almost true, over the course of the show he is shown to have more human friends, more guardians, and his parents repeatedly manage to show up for special occasions. Being obscenely wealthy is certainly never played as a disadvantage.

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* In ''Anime/SonicX'', in a rather shabby attempt to make Chris Thorndyke likable, he often complains about being rich meaning he doesn't have any real friends, and his parents never being home. While at first this seems almost true, over the course of the show time, he is shown to have more human friends, more guardians, and his parents repeatedly manage to physically show up for special occasions. Being obscenely wealthy is certainly never played as a disadvantage.



** In one of the episodes Usagi lists a bunch of her faults, one of them is that she's flat-chested. Have the writers actually seen any art of the show?!

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** In one of the episodes Usagi lists a bunch of her faults, one of them is that she's flat-chested. Have the writers actually seen any art of the show?!Her actual appearance contradicts that.
14th Jun '16 1:53:31 AM Doug86
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** Much is made of Q being a liar. For example, Worf in "Déjà Q" says "You have fooled us too often, Q," and Vash in "Q-Less" mentions that the people of the planet Brax believe Q is the god of lies. Yet he almost never lies onscreen, something [[StarTrekVoyager Janeway explicitly points out.]]

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** Much is made of Q being a liar. For example, Worf in "Déjà Q" says "You have fooled us too often, Q," and Vash in "Q-Less" mentions that the people of the planet Brax believe Q is the god of lies. Yet he almost never lies onscreen, something [[StarTrekVoyager [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Janeway explicitly points out.]]
10th Jun '16 5:28:13 AM DoctorTItanX
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Remember that TropesAreTools - many examples on the page are negative, but that does not make the trope negative in nature. (See PlayingWithATrope.) A common variation that is NOT the result of poor writing is where the character him or herself believes that they have a flaw (i.e. a big nose) because of, say, past teasing or bullying, but to any viewer, it is obvious that such a flaw does not exist.

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Remember that TropesAreTools - many examples on the page are negative, but that does not make the trope negative in nature. (See PlayingWithATrope.) A common variation that is NOT the result of poor writing is where the character him or herself believes that they have a flaw (i.e. a big nose) because of, say, past teasing or bullying, but to any viewer, it is obvious that such a flaw does not exist.is nonexistent.



* The [[Creator/FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids dub]] of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' gives Yusei a phobia of bugs for apparently no other reason than to add an element of fear to his episode 2 duel against an Insect duelist - despite the fact that his character shows no outward signs of being afraid of bugs at all.

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* The [[Creator/FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids dub]] of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' gives Yusei a phobia of bugs Entomophobia for apparently no other reason than to add an element of fear to his episode 2 duel against an Insect duelist - despite the fact that his character shows no obvious outward signs of being afraid of bugs at all.



** Then there's a later episode where the MonsterOfTheWeek and Chibi-Usa both agree that she's fat. In reality, her proportions are more exaggeratedly thin than Barbie's even though she's constantly portrayed as a lazy BigEater. Apparently, Creator/NaokoTakeuchi originally intended Usagi to be slightly chubbier than the rest of the girls but you can't tell by the actual graphics.

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** Then there's a later episode where the MonsterOfTheWeek and Chibi-Usa both agree that she's fat. In reality, her proportions are more exaggeratedly thin than Barbie's Barbie'sm even though she's constantly portrayed as a lazy BigEater. Apparently, Creator/NaokoTakeuchi originally intended Usagi to be slightly chubbier than the rest of the girls females, but you can't tell by the actual graphics.



* Musashi's kicks in ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'' are supposedly powerful with the drawback that he isn't entirely accurate. Yet he never missed a single kick in the series (apart from a flashback where Shin had directly blocked it). Even his rival Kotaro who is known for his 100% accuracy instead of power misses a pivotal kick.
* ''Anime/DeathNote'': Matsuda is well-known for being an idiot, but this isn't really that evident. While he does tend to goof off, and isn't the brightest guy around, he's clearly competent enough to be on the task force. Plus, you can't help but look slow when you're in the same story as Light and L. If you watch any scene where the task force discusses their next move, Matsuda will usually raise at least one good point. He also [[TookALevelInBadass level grinds in competence]] in his DayInTheLimelight, where he manages to infiltrate Yotsuba, discover where a secret meeting is taking place, and narrow down the list of suspects from hundreds to eight. Then when caught, he plays one fast game of XanatosSpeedChess, using an alias he's barely familiar with, and fakes his own death without showing fear or breaking character. [[spoiler: And of course, he tops himself in the final episode]].
* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' has the title character insulting Akane by saying that she's flat-chested. In most media, especially swimsuit episodes, Akane seems to be on the high end of average. Its just that most other female characters of her age group like [[WorldOfBuxom female Ranma, Nabiki, Kasumi, Kodachi and Shampoo are incredibly stacked]]. Likewise with Ranma's appraisal of Akane's martial arts ability; she's one of the best martial artists in Nerima, able to pummel a horde of schoolboys unconscious everyday. [[OvershadowedByAwesome Almost everyone else who hangs out with Ranma is better]].

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* Musashi's kicks in ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'' are supposedly powerful with the drawback that he isn't entirely accurate. Yet he never missed a single kick in the series these sports (apart from a flashback where Shin had directly blocked it). Even his rival Kotaro Kotaro, who is known for his 100% accuracy instead of power power, misses a pivotal kick.
* ''Anime/DeathNote'': Matsuda is well-known for being an idiot, but this isn't really that evident. While he does tend to goof off, and isn't the brightest guy around, he's clearly competent enough to be on the task force. Plus, you can't help but look slow when you're in the same story events as Light and L. If you watch any scene where the task force discusses their next move, Matsuda will usually raise at least one good point. He also [[TookALevelInBadass level grinds in competence]] in his DayInTheLimelight, where he manages to infiltrate Yotsuba, discover where a secret meeting is taking place, and narrow down the list of suspects from hundreds to eight. Then when caught, he plays one fast game of XanatosSpeedChess, using an alias he's barely familiar with, and fakes his own death without showing fear or breaking character. [[spoiler: And of course, he tops himself in the final episode]].
* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' has the title character insulting Akane by saying that she's flat-chested. In most media, especially swimsuit episodes, Akane seems to be on the high end of average. Its just that most other female characters females of her age group like [[WorldOfBuxom female Ranma, Nabiki, Kasumi, Kodachi and Shampoo are incredibly stacked]]. Likewise with Ranma's appraisal of Akane's martial arts ability; ability: she's one of the best martial artists in Nerima, able to pummel a horde of schoolboys unconscious everyday. [[OvershadowedByAwesome Almost everyone else who hangs out with Ranma is better]].



** The twins have bad publicity and some stories show the citizens running away in panic from Zipi and Zape as if they were terrorists or horrible monsters. In reality, Zipi and Zape are two of the nicest characters in the comics, and they always want to help people. The bad publicity may be due to CharacterizationMarchesOn, as in earlier stories the twins were slightly more mischievous and [[TricksterTwins more prone to perform pranks]] such as tying cans to dog tails. In later stories (the ones that are easier to find and everyone remembers), this trait is dropped, but the citizens' reaction to their pranks isn't.

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** The twins have bad publicity and some stories show the citizens running away in panic from Zipi and Zape as if they were terrorists or horrible monsters. In reality, Zipi and Zape are two of the nicest characters people in the comics, their reality, and they always want to help people. The bad publicity may be due to CharacterizationMarchesOn, as in earlier stories the twins were slightly more mischievous and [[TricksterTwins more prone to perform pranks]] such as tying cans to dog tails. In later stories (the ones that are easier to find and everyone remembers), this trait is dropped, but the citizens' reaction to their pranks isn't.



* [[FanFic/APikachuInLove A Pikachu in Love]] gives us the other Pokemon considering Pikachu the 'teachers pet' of the team due to being Ash's favorite. At most, this is only elaborated on once or twice, and we don't see any of the other Pokemon in the fic treating him as such.

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* [[FanFic/APikachuInLove A Pikachu in Love]] gives us the other Pokemon considering Pikachu the 'teachers 'teacher's pet' of the team due to being Ash's favorite. At most, this is only elaborated on once or twice, and we don't see any of the other Pokemon in the fic treating him as such.



* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': Snap and Loopin are apparently [[RonTheDeathEater pedophiles]] despite Ebony being of legal age. Also, Loopin is apparently very dangerous even though he doesn't do anything, and is actually somewhat polite towards Ebony.
* The ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' fanfic ''Fanfic/ForYourEyesOnly'' describes Sakura as being the type who ReallyGetsAround, which isn't really even much of a flaw in the first place but is treated like one. She violently rejects the only male to speak with her onscreen, only ever flirts with one male offscreen and [[DieForOurShip is killed for it]]. We never even hear her point of view on this, as she doesn't get so much as a word of dialogue.

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* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': Snap and Loopin are apparently [[RonTheDeathEater pedophiles]] pedophiles]]. despite Ebony being of legal age. Also, Loopin is apparently very dangerous even though he doesn't do anything, and is actually somewhat polite towards Ebony.
* The ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' fanfic ''Fanfic/ForYourEyesOnly'' describes Sakura as being the type who ReallyGetsAround, which isn't really even much of a flaw in the first place place, but is treated like one. She violently rejects the only male to speak with her onscreen, only ever flirts with one male offscreen and [[DieForOurShip is killed for it]]. We never even hear her point of view on this, as she doesn't get so much as a word of dialogue.



* Naruto's orange outfit, tons of fanfics go out of their way to mock it,talk about how impractical it is for a ninja, and point out how ''insanely'' bright it is, but Naruto's getup isn't anymore brighter than what everyone else wears and as canon shows it hasn't hindered his stealth ability.

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* Naruto's orange outfit, tons of fanfics go out of their way to mock it,talk it, talk about how impractical it is for a ninja, and point out how ''insanely'' bright it is, but Naruto's getup isn't anymore brighter than what everyone else wears and as canon shows it hasn't hindered his stealth ability.



* Dan Hibiki, the iconic JokeCharacter of ''Franchise/StreetFighter,'' frequently has the joke taken a bit ''too'' far. It's been variously claimed that his homegrown martial art is completely useless, that he can't land a single hit on Sakura, a talented schoolgirl fighter who also briefly studied under him before deciding she's better learning things on her own and that the Gadoken is about as powerful as a slap. Though Dan's power has fluctuated over his history, he's still an incredibly muscular guy who can jump six feet straight up and shoot fireballs out of his hands. It can get especially disconcerting when playing ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterIV Super Street Fighter IV]]'', where Dan's Gadoken is actually ''[[LethalJokeCharacter stronger]]'' than the [[KamehameHadoken Hadoken]] when it hits.

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* Dan Hibiki, the iconic JokeCharacter of ''Franchise/StreetFighter,'' frequently has the joke taken a bit ''too'' far. It's been variously claimed that his homegrown martial art is completely useless, that he can't land a single hit on Sakura, a talented schoolgirl fighter who also briefly studied under him before deciding she's better learning things on her own and that the Gadoken is about as powerful as a slap. Though Dan's power has fluctuated over his history, he's still an incredibly muscular guy man who can jump six feet straight up and shoot fireballs out of his hands. It can get especially disconcerting when playing ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterIV Super Street Fighter IV]]'', where Dan's Gadoken is actually ''[[LethalJokeCharacter stronger]]'' than the [[KamehameHadoken Hadoken]] when it hits.



** On the other hand, the GM will often stack useless flaws onto NPCs in order to give them enough skill points to keep up with his overpowered players. "I gave them Tourette's and made them mute" was an excuse given for how Buggy's goons had such good dodging skills.

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** On the other hand, the GM Game Master will often stack useless flaws onto NPCs in order to give them enough skill points to keep up with his overpowered ridiculously powerful players. "I gave them Tourette's and made them mute" was an excuse given for how Buggy's goons had such good dodging skills.



** In one episode Cartman is sent to jail, leaving the other boys to single Clyde out as "obviously" the fattest kid in the class, even though he is literally the exact same shape as all the other kids other than his hair.

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** In one episode episode, Cartman is sent to jail, leaving the other boys to single Clyde out as "obviously" the fattest kid in the class, even though he is literally the exact same shape as all the other kids other than his hair.



* Lana Kane from ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' is constantly made fun of by other characters for having big hands, even though her character is drawn in proportion with normal sized hands. [[note]]This is actually somewhat of a development gag - Her voice actress, Aisha Tyler, has rather large hands.[[/note]]
* Homer Simpson of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fame is frequently portrayed as being seriously, even ''morbidly'' obese, even though he has a relatively average body type compared to other characters in the series. Apu, Krusty, and Dr. Hibbert, to name three, are just as fat as Homer though they're never portrayed as such, while Barney, Mayor Quimby, and Chief Wiggum are considerably fatter and the Comic Book Guy is by far the fattest of them all. However, one episode had Springfield declared the fattest town in the USA, so there's at least some acknowledgement. As the whole of Springfield is overweight, this is not so much "informed" but more normal for the town.

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* Lana Kane from ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' is constantly made fun of by other characters people for having big hands, even though her character is drawn in proportion with normal sized hands. [[note]]This is actually somewhat of a development gag - Her voice actress, Aisha Tyler, has rather large hands.[[/note]]
* Homer Simpson of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fame is frequently portrayed as being seriously, even ''morbidly'' obese, even though he has a relatively average body type compared to other characters people in the series.Springfield. Apu, Krusty, and Dr. Hibbert, to name three, are just as fat as Homer though they're never portrayed as such, while Barney, Mayor Quimby, and Chief Wiggum are considerably fatter and the Comic Book Guy is by far the fattest of them all. However, one episode had Springfield declared the fattest town in the USA, so there's at least some acknowledgement. As the whole of Springfield is overweight, this is not so much "informed" but more normal for the town.



* In ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Jon is said to have a terrible singing voice. However, anyone with an ear can hear that Thom Huge actually has a nice singing voice, otherwise he would not have been asked to perform the musical numbers.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Jon is said to have a terrible singing voice. However, anyone with an ear can hear that Thom Huge actually has a nice singing voice, otherwise voice. Otherwise, he would not have been asked to perform the musical numbers.
7th Jun '16 9:31:42 AM LuciaMoore
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* Gary of ''Webcomic/MenageA3'' claims to have a mass of psychological problems sufficient to sustain a [=PhD=] thesis, but he seems to be just a fairly ordinary {{geek}} with poor social skills, a taste for porn (to geekily obsessive but not socially disabling levels), and in early episodes, a tendency to suffer manga-style nosebleeds in the presence of attractive real women. This ''may'' be deliberate, showing that his real problem is just self-pity.

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* Gary of ''Webcomic/MenageA3'' claims to have a mass of psychological problems sufficient to sustain a [=PhD=] thesis, but he seems to be just a fairly ordinary {{geek}} with poor social skills, a taste for porn (to geekily obsessive but not socially disabling levels), and in early episodes, a tendency to suffer manga-style nosebleeds in the presence of attractive real women. This ''may'' be deliberate, showing that his real problem is just self-pity. It becomes especially egregious as the story progresses and Gary ends up becoming the most sexually successful character in the comic, wooing dozens of women, and yet still gets extremely nervous around women.
7th Jun '16 9:29:35 AM LuciaMoore
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* ''VideoGame/Left4Dead'' has Bill, a Vietnam veteran whose knees are messed up due to the shrapnel injury he got during the war. Despite the fact that Bill complains about having to go up flights of stairs, he can run up and down stairs without any problems during the game.
* ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'' states that Coach injured his knee during his days in college football and it sacked his football career. On top of this, Coach is overweight, which would make running and climbing more difficult for him. The injury and weight problem is shown off in the opening intro scene where Coach has to take a breather from climbing up several flights of stairs but Coach is not hindered at all during the actual game.

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* ''VideoGame/Left4Dead'' series:
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''VideoGame/Left4Dead'' has Bill, a Vietnam veteran whose knees are messed up due to the shrapnel injury he got during the war. Despite the fact that Bill complains about having to go up flights of stairs, he can run up and down stairs without any problems during the game.
* ** ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'' states that Coach injured his knee during his days in college football and it sacked his football career. On top of this, Coach is overweight, which would make running and climbing more difficult for him. The injury and weight problem is shown off in the opening intro scene where Coach has to take a breather from climbing up several flights of stairs but Coach is not hindered at all during the actual game.game.
** Of course, both of these are likely examples of GameplayAndStorySegregation in order to maintain balanced gameplay.
30th May '16 4:42:58 AM jormis29
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# The narrative tells us about a flaw, whether it be through a character, the narration, or some other source. Said flaw then doesn't materialize and nobody would have ever thousght of it if the segment describing said flaw was removed.

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# The narrative tells us about a flaw, whether it be through a character, the narration, or some other source. Said flaw then doesn't materialize and nobody would have ever thousght thought of it if the segment describing said flaw was removed.
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