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5th Jun '18 10:46:16 PM Kadorhal
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* ''VideoGame/DukeNukemForever'' attempts to parody modern shooters and hold up itself and Duke as a proper hero from the ''VideoGame/DukeNukem3D'' era. A good number of people pointed out that, for all the schoolyard insults and dated jabs, ''DNF'''s gameplay is very clearly more inspired by those modern shooters than by the original game, with its two guns, regenerating health, slower speed, turret sections, and quicktime events.
** Early on in the game, Duke is told to look for a keycard and instead wrenches the door open. This would be a funny subversion of a common gaming cliche... but the way he opens the door is with a quicktime event requiring mashing a button, which is an even bigger cliche.

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* ''VideoGame/DukeNukemForever'' attempts to parody modern shooters and hold up itself and Duke as a proper hero from the ''VideoGame/DukeNukem3D'' era. A good number of people pointed out that, for all the schoolyard insults and dated jabs, ''DNF'''s gameplay is very clearly more inspired by those modern shooters than by the original game, with its [[LimitedLoadout two guns, regenerating health, guns]], {{regenerating health}}, [[SprintMeter slower speed, speed]], [[HoldTheLine turret sections, sections]], and [[PressXToNotDie quicktime events.
events]].
** Early on in the game, Duke is told to look for a keycard and instead wrenches the door open. This would be a funny subversion of a common gaming cliche... but searching for keycards had already become old hat and all but entirely abandoned for years by the time ''Forever'' came out, and the way he opens the door is with a quicktime event requiring mashing a button, which is had become an even bigger cliche.''bigger'' cliche by then.
18th May '18 4:25:30 AM ChronoLegion
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* ''Series/TheOrville'' can't decide between being a parody of ''Series/StarTrek'' and a serious show, since it frequently oscillates between humor and seriousness, frequently tackling on philosophical and social issues (e.g. gender reassignment, social media, religion).
1st May '18 8:36:49 PM Joyeat
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* ''Radio/LoZooDi105'': ''Ninfowoman''. It's supposedly a WonderWoman parody (with a spoof version of the theme song from [[Series/WonderWoman the TV show]] to boot), but she is more like "Franchise/Batman [[RecycledInSpace as a slutty woman]] with [[RefugeInAudacity a mighty clitoris]]".
7th Apr '18 5:41:32 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/BatmanForever'' and especially ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' seemed totally indecisive as to whether to play Batman seriously or as a campy parody. It's especially {{egregious}} in the latter film, which used Mr. Freeze's [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]] from the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, but also had Freeze [[PungeonMaster spouting ice-related puns in every scene]].

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* ''Film/BatmanForever'' and especially ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' seemed totally indecisive as to whether to play Batman seriously or as a campy parody. It's especially {{egregious}} JustForFun/{{egregious}} in the latter film, which used Mr. Freeze's [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]] from the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, but also had Freeze [[PungeonMaster spouting ice-related puns in every scene]].
16th Mar '18 4:11:56 AM StFan
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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout (and in the mid-80's, not many moviegoers were). The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].
* ''Film/CatsAndDogs'' is honestly no sillier than the TuxedoAndMartini films it's based on, and even with the use of [[TalkingAnimal Talking Animals]], it fits into the genre about as well as a straight example. The sequel slides out of this trope by turning the spoof UpToEleven and taking direct potshots at ''Franchise/JamesBond''.

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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout (and in the mid-80's, mid-'80s, not many moviegoers were). The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].
* ''Film/CatsAndDogs'' is honestly no sillier than the TuxedoAndMartini films it's based on, and even with the use of [[TalkingAnimal Talking Animals]], {{Talking Animal}}s, it fits into the genre about as well as a straight example. The sequel slides out of this trope by turning the spoof UpToEleven and taking direct potshots at ''Franchise/JamesBond''.



--> '''[[AudienceSurrogate Cindy]]''': ''(Trying to avoid a motel-wrecking fist fight)'' [[TakeThatUs I can't believe this macho bullshit!]] [[LampshadeHanging These guys eat too much red meat!]]

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--> '''[[AudienceSurrogate Cindy]]''': ''(Trying -->'''[[AudienceSurrogate Cindy]]:''' ''[trying to avoid a motel-wrecking fist fight)'' fight]'' [[TakeThatUs I can't believe this macho bullshit!]] [[LampshadeHanging These guys eat too much red meat!]]



* ''Film/{{Gremlins}}'': The first film seems to waffle between being a dark comedy and a genuine horror film. Many scenes are played for campy, violent comedy, while others are played for straight horror. This was because the script was written as a horror film, but director Joe Dante decided to take a LighterAndSofter approach without changing the material. [[Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch The sequel]] is a more clear-cut case of being a spoof.
** The scene where Kate tells the story of how her father died encapsulates this. Debate has raged for years about whether the monologue is supposed to be a serious dramatic scene, or a sick joke. Kate's final line "and that's how I found out there wasn't a Santa Claus" is either an unfortunate case of bad writing, or a punchline.

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* ''Film/{{Gremlins}}'': The first film seems to waffle between being a dark comedy and a genuine horror film. Many scenes are played for campy, violent comedy, while others are played for straight horror. This was because the script was written as a horror film, but director Joe Dante decided to take a LighterAndSofter approach without changing the material. [[Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch The sequel]] is a more clear-cut case of being a spoof.
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spoof. The scene where Kate tells the story of how her father died encapsulates this. Debate has raged for years about whether the monologue is supposed to be a serious dramatic scene, or a sick joke. Kate's final line "and that's how I found out there wasn't a Santa Claus" is either an unfortunate case of bad writing, or a punchline.



* ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'' A lot of people didn't understand that the "{{rockumentary}}" film was a parody of the burgeoning heavy metal scene of the time. [[StealthParody People thought it was a documentary of a real band]]. Much of this was probably because of how much TruthInTelevision it had (Eddie Music/VanHalen is quoted as not finding it funny because "everything in that movie had happened to me"... Which just goes to show how [[SeriousBusiness serious Eddie Van Halen takes himself]]).
** Confusing things further, [[{{Defictionalisation}} Spinal Tap actually toured]]. After opening act [[Film/AMightyWind The Folksmen.]]
* This is generally agreed to be why ''Film/SuckerPunch'' failed in the box office. Nobody could figure out whether it was supposed to be a straight {{Animesque}} action film or a {{Deconstruction}} of that genre. The result was an AudienceAlienatingPremise; nerdy audiences turned away because they felt they were being insulted while audiences who'd be interested in a deconstruction thought it was just another action movie.
** The [[NeverTrustATrailer misleading trailers]] also meant that most people didn't know what they were getting into, and in some cases, weren't happy when they found out. [[spoiler: The film is actually about girls in a mental asylum being physically and sexually abused and trying desperately to escape from it; the {{Animesque}} action scenes are a figment of the main heroine's imagination]].
* ''Film/TrueLies'': Either a 90s action comedy, or a parody thereof.

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* ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'' A lot of people didn't understand that the "{{rockumentary}}" film was a parody of the burgeoning heavy metal scene of the time. [[StealthParody People thought it was a documentary of a real band]]. Much of this was probably because of how much TruthInTelevision it had (Eddie Music/VanHalen is quoted as not finding it funny because "everything in that movie had happened to me"... Which just goes to show how [[SeriousBusiness serious Eddie Van Halen takes himself]]).
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himself]]). Confusing things further, [[{{Defictionalisation}} Spinal Tap actually toured]]. After opening act [[Film/AMightyWind The Folksmen.]]
* This is generally agreed to be why ''Film/SuckerPunch'' failed in the box office. Nobody could figure out whether it was supposed to be a straight {{Animesque}} action film or a {{Deconstruction}} of that genre. The result was an AudienceAlienatingPremise; nerdy audiences turned away because they felt they were being insulted while audiences who'd be interested in a deconstruction thought it was just another action movie.
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movie. The [[NeverTrustATrailer misleading trailers]] also meant that most people didn't know what they were getting into, and in some cases, weren't happy when they found out. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The film is actually about girls in a mental asylum being physically and sexually abused and trying desperately to escape from it; the {{Animesque}} action scenes are a figment of the main heroine's imagination]].
* ''Film/TrueLies'': Either a 90s '90s action comedy, or a parody thereof.



* ''Film/VanHelsing'' couldn't decide if it was an AffectionateParody of old fashioned horror movies, a straight parody, or a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover of the genre. Although it might be considered "[[TwoFistedTales pulp]]" like ''Film/TheMummyTrilogy''.
** Interestingly, whether or not a person likes ''Van Helsing'' seems to be determined a great deal by whether they thought it was a parody or not.

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* ''Film/VanHelsing'' couldn't decide if it was an AffectionateParody of old fashioned horror movies, a straight parody, or a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover of the genre. Although it might be considered "[[TwoFistedTales pulp]]" like ''Film/TheMummyTrilogy''. \n** Interestingly, whether or not a person likes ''Van Helsing'' seems to be determined a great deal by whether they thought it was a parody or not.



* ''I Kissed a Zombie and I Liked It'' parodies YA ParanormalRomance, eg. ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and its ilk. The message it sends is that it's silly to [[SpaceWhaleAesop literally give up your life just to be with a guy]] yet Alley would have gladly done so had Doug not [[spoiler: been torn apart by feral zombies he created himself.]]
** [[spoiler: [[WordOfGod From the author]] - nah, they would have broken up in about six months. But I didn't have time to write a book that long. ]]

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* ''I Kissed a Zombie and I Liked It'' parodies YA ParanormalRomance, eg. ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' and its ilk. The message it sends is that it's silly to [[SpaceWhaleAesop literally give up your life just to be with a guy]] guy]], yet Alley would have gladly done so had Doug not [[spoiler: been [[spoiler:been torn apart by feral zombies he created himself.]]
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]] [[WordOfGod From the author]] - nah, [[spoiler:-- "Nah, they would have broken up in about six months. But I didn't have time to write a book that long. ]]"]]



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* The prologue of the freeware VisualNovel ''Ristorante Amore'' was meant to be a parody/deconstruction of [[RomanceGame otome]] (i.e. girl-oriented romance game genre) stereotypes (ex: clumsy and not-too-bright heroine, NiceGuy and bad boy love interests, AlphaBitch who only exists as a romantic complication for the heroine, etc.) with the post-prologue part revealing that the "prologue" was only a ShowWithinAShow with the characters' actors having vastly different and less stereotypical personalities. However, a combination of the prologue actually being relatively well-written, the lack of overt parodic jokes causing the prologue to feel not all that different from other straight-up otome games, and several visual novel websites categorizing it as an otome game in spite of the majority of the game having a male protagonist, led many a player to not realize the prologue was intended to be a parody and become genuinely disappointed when the HalfwayPlotSwitch to a male protagonist occurred.



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* The prologue of the freeware VisualNovel ''Ristorante Amore'' was meant to be a parody/deconstruction of [[RomanceGame otome]] (i.e. girl-oriented romance game genre) stereotypes (ex: clumsy and not-too-bright heroine, NiceGuy and bad boy love interests, AlphaBitch who only exists as a romantic complication for the heroine, etc.) with the post-prologue part revealing that the "prologue" was only a ShowWithinAShow with the characters' actors having vastly different and less stereotypical personalities. However, a combination of the prologue actually being relatively well-written, the lack of overt parodic jokes causing the prologue to feel not all that different from other straight-up otome games, and several visual novel websites categorizing it as an otome game in spite of the majority of the game having a male protagonist, led many a player to not realize the prologue was intended to be a parody and become genuinely disappointed when the HalfwayPlotSwitch to a male protagonist occurred.
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* ''WesternAnimation/NeoYokio'': It's not known if the show is meant to be a true parody of anime, given that most of the anime tropes it uses are generally played straight.
** According to an interview with the producers, it was originally intended to be an outright parody of anime with every episode spoofing a single series in particular. However, during production, the crew wound up unironically loving the cast of characters they made, hence why the parody elements seem rather indecisive. Perhaps it's an Affectionate Indecisive Parody?

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* ''WesternAnimation/NeoYokio'': It's not known if the show is meant to be a true parody of anime, given that most of the anime tropes it uses are generally played straight.
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straight. According to an interview with the producers, it was originally intended to be an outright parody of anime with every episode spoofing a single series in particular. However, during production, the crew wound up unironically loving the cast of characters they made, hence why the parody elements seem rather indecisive. Perhaps it's an Affectionate Indecisive Parody?
27th Feb '18 9:29:27 AM TheMountainKing
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* Comicbook/SavageDragon: The comic tends to lampoon quite a few superhero tropes, from the NinetiesAntiHero type that [[Creator/ImageComics Image]] was partly responsible for popularizing, to the generally ridiculous nature of C-list supervillains (Dung and his diarrhea-cannons, for example) but often-times it's hard to tell whether Larsen is making fun of these tropes or is more-or-less trying to tell a serious story and just has a [[RefugeInAudacity really weird sense of humor]].

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* Comicbook/SavageDragon: ''Comicbook/SavageDragon'': The comic tends to lampoon quite a few superhero tropes, from the NinetiesAntiHero type that [[Creator/ImageComics Image]] was partly responsible for popularizing, to the generally ridiculous nature of C-list supervillains (Dung and his diarrhea-cannons, for example) but often-times it's hard to tell whether Larsen is making fun of these tropes or is more-or-less trying to tell a serious story and just has a [[RefugeInAudacity really weird sense of humor]].
16th Feb '18 1:50:19 PM starofjusticev21
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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout (and in the mid-80's, not many filmgoers were). The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].

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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout (and in the mid-80's, not many filmgoers moviegoers were). The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].
16th Feb '18 5:07:37 AM starofjusticev21
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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout. The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].

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* ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the {{Wuxia}} tropes it mocks throughout.throughout (and in the mid-80's, not many filmgoers were). The idea that Jack Burton is an incompetent parody of an American action hero can get a bit lost when he [[spoiler:kills the main villain single-handedly with nothing but his trusty knife]].
31st Jan '18 1:40:58 PM UchuuFlamenco
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* ''WesternAnimation/NeoYokio'': It's not known if the show is meant to be a true parody of anime, given that most of the anime tropes it uses are generally played straight.
** According to an interview with the producers, it was originally intended to be an outright parody of anime with every episode spoofing a single series in particular. However, during production, the crew wound up unironically loving the cast of characters they made, hence why the parody elements seem rather indecisive. Perhaps it's an Affectionate Indecisive Parody?
16th Jan '18 2:13:05 PM nanakiro
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* Ah, ''Manga/{{Gintama}}''. The series' bread and butter is a satire on the modern age through JidaiGeki tropes, and its frequent targets were the tropes in the other manga that ran alongside it in ''Jump'', especially the formulas of their battle manga. Once the CerebusRollercoaster starts taking its course, the climatic battles and drama bombs pile up to the point where you can't take the series seriously when they take a little break to point at themselves and laugh.

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* Ah, ''Manga/{{Gintama}}''. The series' bread and butter is a satire on the modern age through JidaiGeki tropes, and its frequent targets were the tropes in the other manga that ran alongside it in ''Jump'', especially the formulas of their battle manga. Once the CerebusRollercoaster starts taking its course, the climatic battles and drama bombs pile up to the point where you can't take the series seriously when they take a little break to point at themselves the others and laugh.
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