History Main / IndecisiveDeconstruction

20th Oct '17 9:25:26 PM BrendanRizzo
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* It is clear that R.J. Rimmer's ''War and Democide Never Again'' is ''intended'' to be a deconstruction of heroes who are massively destructive because UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. The climax of the first book makes this obvious. Joy, one of the novel's protagonist, is so much of a JerkSue even ''before'' she JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope (and her counterpart, John, so weak-willed) that her behavior which the readers are supposed to find horrific is practically indistinguishable from her behavior which the readers are supposed to approve of her actions, which ruins the effect. Its sequels, furthermore focus less and less on deconstruction as the series goes on, and focus more and more on WishFulfillment and the RuleOfCool.

to:

* It is clear that R.J. Rimmer's Rummelís ''War and Democide Never Again'' is ''intended'' to be a deconstruction of heroes who are massively destructive because UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. The climax of the first book makes this obvious. Joy, one of the novel's protagonist, is so much of a JerkSue even ''before'' she JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope (and her counterpart, John, so weak-willed) that her behavior which the readers are supposed to find horrific is practically indistinguishable from her behavior which the readers are supposed to approve of her actions, which ruins the effect. Its sequels, furthermore focus less and less on deconstruction as the series goes on, and focus more and more on WishFulfillment and the RuleOfCool.
8th Sep '17 1:36:51 PM MightyG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* '''Defictionalized Deconstruction''', where the work actually never intended to deconstruct the work at all (or deconstruction was at the very back of the author's thoughts) but the setting, genre, and specific story being told ends up filling the fiction with loads of deconstruction-enough in fact to be considered a deconstruction of popular narrative cliches, tropes, and even genres and setting. A common example are stories based on real incidents where so many popular tropes were averted because the events that inspired the work of fiction pretty much occurred as though the story was a deconstruction. This is especially prevalent in well-researched historical fiction, war stories, and crime fiction where authors tend to copy almost the entire plot from real history and documentations word-for-word (with some twist of creativity on the author's part). Also common in many fictional works where the author garnered a professional expert or scholar (or reasonably accurate secondary sources and references) to aid him on themes and tropes related to the story (such as battle scenes in war movies like Saving Private Ryan), if not then the author outright being a long time enthusiast of said subject (such as a skateboarding fan deconstructing the determinator trope by realistically portraying what injuries would do like disqualifying a participant). Also authors may throw in events based on or inspired by their personal experience just to spice up the story or show character development (even though they never intended to deconstruct popular tropes that occurred very differently in real life).

to:

* '''Defictionalized Deconstruction''', where the work actually never intended to deconstruct the work at all (or deconstruction was at the very back of the author's thoughts) but the setting, genre, and specific story being told ends up filling the fiction with loads of deconstruction-enough in fact to be considered a deconstruction of popular narrative cliches, tropes, and even genres and setting. A common example are stories based on real incidents where so many popular tropes were averted because the events that inspired the work of fiction pretty much occurred as though the story was a deconstruction. This is especially prevalent in well-researched historical fiction, war stories, and crime fiction where authors tend to copy almost the entire plot from real history and documentations word-for-word (with some twist of creativity on the author's part). Also common in many fictional works where the author garnered a professional expert or scholar (or reasonably accurate secondary sources and references) to aid him on themes and tropes related to the story (such as battle scenes in war movies like Saving Private Ryan), if not then the author outright being a long time enthusiast of said subject (such as a skateboarding fan deconstructing the determinator {{Determinator}} trope by realistically portraying what injuries would do like disqualifying a participant). Also authors may throw in events based on or inspired by their personal experience just to spice up the story or show character development (even though they never intended to deconstruct popular tropes that occurred very differently in real life).
5th Sep '17 11:16:33 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''[[Fanfic/ImHereToHelp I'm Here to Help]]'' was one of the first fanfictions to deconstruct the idea of [[Franchise/SailorMoon Crystal Tokyo]] as a shining utopia. The fic also tries to have a level of ambiguity by never actually showing Neo-Queen Serenity (who is accused by the protagonist of performing planet-wide brainwashing and enslavement to create her kingdom), spending very little time in Crystal Tokyo (thus giving virtually no evidence that any of the protagonist's claims are true), and implying that the protagonist is also insane. Most of the reviewers see the ending ([[spoiler:the protagonist destroying Crystal Tokyo by changing the timestream irreversibly]]) as an uplifting, hopeful one, but the ambiguous nature of the actual situation leaves open the possibility that [[spoiler:Crystal Tokyo ''was'' a genuinely good world and a villain destroyed it]]. Complicating matters is the author's note at the end, which teased the possibility of a sequel story ([[WhatCouldHaveBeen never actually happened]]) "to explain what really happened", implying that the events of the fic were ''not'' meant to be taken at face value necessarily.

to:

* ''[[Fanfic/ImHereToHelp I'm Here to Help]]'' ''Fanfic/ImHereToHelp'' was one of the first fanfictions to deconstruct the idea of [[Franchise/SailorMoon Crystal Tokyo]] as a shining utopia. The fic also tries to have a level of ambiguity by never actually showing Neo-Queen Serenity (who is accused by the protagonist of performing planet-wide brainwashing and enslavement to create her kingdom), spending very little time in Crystal Tokyo (thus giving virtually no evidence that any of the protagonist's claims are true), and implying that the protagonist is also insane. Most of the reviewers see the ending ([[spoiler:the protagonist destroying Crystal Tokyo by changing the timestream irreversibly]]) as an uplifting, hopeful one, but the ambiguous nature of the actual situation leaves open the possibility that [[spoiler:Crystal Tokyo ''was'' a genuinely good world and a villain destroyed it]]. Complicating matters is the author's note at the end, which teased the possibility of a sequel story ([[WhatCouldHaveBeen never actually happened]]) "to explain what really happened", implying that the events of the fic were ''not'' meant to be taken at face value necessarily.necessarily.
* Creator/DakariKingMykan, he claims his fanfics, most infamously ''FanFic/MyLittleUnicorn'' are a deconstruction of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. But [[AuthorTract letting his own feelings get in the way]] means it [[HateFic just pisses on the things he doesn't like]], failing to show what [[YouKeepUsingThatWord he claims to "deconstruct"]]. And his [[EightDeadlyWords unlikable, boring, and clichéd writing]] means you can't even root for what he's presenting as a better option. It's a textbook example of how '''not''' to do a {{deconstruction}} who's own DeconstructionFic, ''Fanfic/MykanTributeFallOfStarfleetRiseOfHarmony'', has received better reception for [[TakeThat trashing]].
10th Aug '17 8:28:18 AM anty21
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* '''Attempted Deconstruction''', where the work postures as a GenreDeconstruction but isn't. This is the reverse of Unintentional Deconstruction; deconstructive intent is present, but the deconstruction is hampered by too many tropes being played straight. ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' fits here. Arguably, some of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] ComicBooks (which [mostly unsuccessfully] attempted to emulate ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'') also fit under this category. This is either the result of bad writing where the author doesn't really understand the consequences of the tropes they are deconstructing, or the result of a series where an author starts off with one idea but then changes to settle on another (this doesn't mean that the work is badly written, just that its purpose changed over time). Alternatively, when a work goes too far in the opposite direction, and ends up being based on a [[DeadUnicornTrope too-bastardized]] [[TheWarOnStraw view]] of the genre it was supposed to deconstruct, to be considered an effective deconstruction. Happens when an author doesn't know enough about a genre and/or holds too strong biases against it to produce an objective deconstruction.

to:

* '''Attempted Deconstruction''', where the work postures as a GenreDeconstruction but isn't. This is the reverse of Unintentional Deconstruction; deconstructive intent is present, but the deconstruction is hampered by too many tropes being played straight. ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' fits here. Arguably, some of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] ComicBooks (which [mostly unsuccessfully] attempted to emulate ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'') also fit under this category. This is either the result of bad writing where the author doesn't really understand the consequences of the tropes they are deconstructing, or the result of a series where an author starts off with one idea but then changes to settle on another (this doesn't mean that the work is badly written, just that its purpose changed over time). Alternatively, when a work goes too far in the opposite direction, and ends up being based on a [[DeadUnicornTrope too-bastardized]] [[TheWarOnStraw view]] of the genre it was supposed to deconstruct, to be considered an effective deconstruction. Happens when an author doesn't know enough about a genre and/or holds too strong biases against it to produce an a more objective deconstruction.deconstruction of it.
10th Aug '17 8:27:19 AM anty21
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* '''Attempted Deconstruction''', where the work postures as a GenreDeconstruction but isn't. This is the reverse of Unintentional Deconstruction; deconstructive intent is present, but the deconstruction is hampered by too many tropes being played straight. ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' fits here. Arguably, some of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] ComicBooks (which [mostly unsuccessfully] attempted to emulate ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'') also fit under this category. This is either the result of bad writing where the author doesn't really understand the consequences of the tropes they are deconstructing, or the result of a series where an author starts off with one idea but then changes to settle on another (this doesn't mean that the work is badly written, just that its purpose changed over time).

to:

* '''Attempted Deconstruction''', where the work postures as a GenreDeconstruction but isn't. This is the reverse of Unintentional Deconstruction; deconstructive intent is present, but the deconstruction is hampered by too many tropes being played straight. ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' fits here. Arguably, some of the DarkerAndEdgier [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] ComicBooks (which [mostly unsuccessfully] attempted to emulate ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'') also fit under this category. This is either the result of bad writing where the author doesn't really understand the consequences of the tropes they are deconstructing, or the result of a series where an author starts off with one idea but then changes to settle on another (this doesn't mean that the work is badly written, just that its purpose changed over time). Alternatively, when a work goes too far in the opposite direction, and ends up being based on a [[DeadUnicornTrope too-bastardized]] [[TheWarOnStraw view]] of the genre it was supposed to deconstruct, to be considered an effective deconstruction. Happens when an author doesn't know enough about a genre and/or holds too strong biases against it to produce an objective deconstruction.
10th Aug '17 8:19:40 AM SeptimusHeap
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Fans of ''Manga/GunslingerGirl'' see it as a social commentary on ChildSoldier's and a deconstruction of the {{lolicon}} genre. It's not. The [[AuthorAppeal mangaka just likes]] middle school girls with guns and the fratello relationship really is supposed to be ambiguously sexual. The first anime plays the presumed aesop straight while ''Teatrino'' uses the original one, which is part of the many reasons why fans disliked it.

to:

* Fans of ''Manga/GunslingerGirl'' see it as a social commentary on ChildSoldier's and a deconstruction of the {{lolicon}} {{lolicon|AndShotacon}} genre. It's not. The [[AuthorAppeal mangaka just likes]] middle school girls with guns and the fratello relationship really is supposed to be ambiguously sexual. The first anime plays the presumed aesop straight while ''Teatrino'' uses the original one, which is part of the many reasons why fans disliked it.
27th Jun '17 10:28:31 PM veronchung27
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way. [[note]] However, it is unlikely that The End suffered the same damage to his respiratory system as Quiet, meaning that he could still breathe "normally", unlike Quiet who could only use the skin option.[[/note]]

to:

* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'') didn't need to dress this way. [[note]] However, it is unlikely that The End suffered the same damage to his respiratory system as Quiet, meaning that he could still breathe "normally", unlike Quiet who could only use the skin option.[[/note]]
26th Jun '17 11:18:24 AM Miracle@StOlaf
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' was marketed as a DeconstructiveParody of the [[SlasherMovie Slasher]] genre, but it's deconstruction only went as far as having characters point out loads of slasher movie clichés, then proceed to [[DeathByGenreSavviness fall for all of the old traps anyway]]. Because Slashers were not en vogue at the time, it ended up being closer to a {{Reconstruction}} and, for better or worse, breathed new life in the genre for at least another decade.

to:

* ''Film/{{Scream 1996}}'' was marketed as a DeconstructiveParody of the [[SlasherMovie Slasher]] genre, but it's deconstruction only went as far as having characters point out loads of slasher movie clichés, then proceed to [[DeathByGenreSavviness fall for all most of the old traps anyway]]. Because Slashers were not en vogue at the time, it ended up being closer to a {{Reconstruction}} and, for better or worse, breathed new life in the genre for at least another decade.
30th May '17 4:14:00 PM Willbyr
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Rei Ayanami from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' was an attempted deconstruction of the YamatoNadeshiko, and ExtremeDoormat LoveInterests in general, where HideakiAnno took the trope to its logical conclusion and asked fanboys "so, is this what you want?" However, the response to that question was a resounding "[[MisaimedFandom yes]]," and Rei became not only a FountainOfExpies, but also a major TropeMaker for {{Moe}} as we understand it today (not helped by the fact that Rei was portrayed in a very sympathetic light in the anime).

to:

* Rei Ayanami from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' was an attempted deconstruction of the YamatoNadeshiko, and ExtremeDoormat LoveInterests in general, where HideakiAnno Creator/HideakiAnno took the trope to its logical conclusion and asked fanboys "so, is this what you want?" However, the response to that question was a resounding "[[MisaimedFandom yes]]," and Rei became not only a FountainOfExpies, but also a major TropeMaker for {{Moe}} as we understand it today (not helped by the fact that Rei was portrayed in a very sympathetic light in the anime).
19th Apr '17 2:05:47 AM YZQ
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.

to:

* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way. [[note]] However, it is unlikely that The End suffered the same damage to his respiratory system as Quiet, meaning that he could still breathe "normally", unlike Quiet who could only use the skin option.[[/note]]
This list shows the last 10 events of 243. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.IndecisiveDeconstruction