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19th Apr '17 2:05:47 AM YZQ
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Unit]] and [[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way. [[note]] However, it is unlikely that The End suffered the same damage to his respiratory system as Quiet, meaning that he could still breathe "normally", unlike Quiet who could only use the skin option.[[/note]]
17th Mar '17 12:35:17 PM frogpatrol
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* ''Literature/DonQuixote'' is arguably this for the knightly romances of its day. Parody was the intent, [[{{Applicability}} but sometimes it's not so clear where the title character lies]] relative to the fine line between genius and madness...

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* Cervantes' ''Literature/DonQuixote'' is arguably this for the knightly romances of its day. Parody was the intent, [[{{Applicability}} but sometimes it's not so clear where the title character lies]] relative to the fine line between genius and madness...



* It is clear that ''War and Democide Never Again'' is ''intended'' to be a deconstruction of heroes who are massively destructive because UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans -- the climax of the first book makes this obvious. However, one of the protagonists, Joy, is so much of a JerkSue even ''before'' she JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope (and her counterpart, John, so weak-willed) that her behavior which the readers are supposed to find horrific is practically indistinguishable from her behavior which the readers are supposed to approve of, ruining the effect. Furthermore, the sequels focus less and less on deconstruction as the series goes on, and focus more and more on WishFulfillment and the RuleOfCool.
* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, some fans will wish that they could be put in the shoes of the protagonists.

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* It is clear that R.J. Rimmer's ''War and Democide Never Again'' is ''intended'' to be a deconstruction of heroes who are massively destructive because UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans -- the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. The climax of the first book makes this obvious. However, Joy, one of the protagonists, Joy, novel's protagonist, is so much of a JerkSue even ''before'' she JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope (and her counterpart, John, so weak-willed) that her behavior which the readers are supposed to find horrific is practically indistinguishable from her behavior which the readers are supposed to approve of, ruining of her actions, which ruins the effect. Furthermore, the sequels Its sequels, furthermore focus less and less on deconstruction as the series goes on, and focus more and more on WishFulfillment and the RuleOfCool.
* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', Literature/{{Animorphs}}, Literature/HarryPotter, and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.anti-[[EscapistCharacter escapist fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, some many fans will wish that they could be put in the shoes of the protagonists.
14th Mar '17 11:29:17 AM matruz
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* ''Webcomic/GirlsWithSlingshots'' does this with the main character, Hazel, she started as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, who always makes poor decisions but manages to pull through thanks to her dream boyfriend, friends and family to run damage control on her, however near the end this started to take a toll on her relationships which culminated with Zach breaking up with her and other setbacks; but in the ending it again plays the trope straight as out of nowhere she gets a book deal and although at the very end she makes the determination of becoming a better person, we don't actually get to see it.

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* ''Webcomic/GirlsWithSlingshots'' does this with the main character, Hazel, she started as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, who always makes poor poor, selfish and short-sighted decisions but manages to pull through thanks to her dream boyfriend, friends and family to run damage control on her, however near the end this started to take a toll on her relationships which culminated with Zach breaking up with her and other setbacks; but in the ending it again plays the trope straight as out of nowhere she gets a book deal and although at the very end she makes the determination of becoming a better person, we don't actually get to see it.
26th Feb '17 4:06:08 AM moongalleon22
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[FauxActionGirl Meryl]], The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for [[FauxActionGirl Meryl]], [[AbsoluteCleavage Eva]], [[DarkActionGirl The Beauty and the Beast Corps Unit]] and Paz).[[ThePolyanna Paz]]). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.
26th Feb '17 3:58:08 AM moongalleon22
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for Meryl, The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for Meryl, [[FauxActionGirl Meryl]], The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.
26th Feb '17 3:47:38 AM moongalleon22
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* The ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV:ThePhantomPain'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions can be argued for Meryl, The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.

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* The ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV:ThePhantomPain'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions throughout the series can be argued for Meryl, The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.
26th Feb '17 3:46:13 AM moongalleon22
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* The ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidV:ThePhantomPain'' has this most infamously with Quiet (although similar indecisive deconstructions can be argued for Meryl, The Beauty and Beast Corps and Paz). With Quiet, Kojima insisted that people who criticised her skimpy outfit before the game came out would be "ashamed of their words and deeds", as he had a deconstruction lined up for her; in-universe, she [[spoiler: needs to wear fewer clothes because she breathes through her skin]]. A lot of people, however, saw this attempt at a deconstruction as just an excuse for her to be wearing a sexy outfit all the time, seeing as the camera is still tracking her in a way that makes some scenes into obvious fanservice, especially as male characters with the same powers as her (namely, The End from MGS3) didn't need to dress this way.
21st Feb '17 10:02:16 PM LinTaylor
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* ''Manga/MedakaBox'': The series was meant to examine many of the tropes which defined Shonen manga, with its eponymous protagonist representing many of the ideal Shonen Hero traits. On one hand the series tried pointing out the kind of personality that would actually result in being designed for that role: for instance Medaka is so utterly devoted to heroism that she doesn't seem to be able to relate to people. On the other hand, Medaka's methods are rarely shown to be wrong in the narrative itself.

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* ''Manga/MedakaBox'': The series was meant to examine many of the tropes which defined Shonen manga, with its eponymous protagonist representing many of the ideal Shonen Hero traits. On one hand the series tried pointing out the kind of personality that would actually result in being designed for that role: for instance Medaka is so utterly devoted to heroism that she doesn't seem to be able to relate to people. On the other hand, Medaka's methods are rarely shown to be wrong in the narrative itself. The series' overall tone changes several times, going from SliceOfLife HighSchool RomanticComedy, bog-standard ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' fighting series, and Deconstructions[=/=][[AffectionateParody Affectionate Parodies]] of those genres, then spends the rest of its run swapping between these several more times depending on the story arc.
6th Jan '17 5:12:31 PM nombretomado
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* The obscure ImageComics character Bloodwulf. He was a parody or homage of Lobo, in that he had the look, the high body count, the serious joy in bloodletting... but he was also a devoted family man who loved his wives and kids. His few appearances were never quite clear on whether they were mocking the character, or trying to cash in, or both.

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* The obscure ImageComics Creator/ImageComics character Bloodwulf. He was a parody or homage of Lobo, in that he had the look, the high body count, the serious joy in bloodletting... but he was also a devoted family man who loved his wives and kids. His few appearances were never quite clear on whether they were mocking the character, or trying to cash in, or both.
20th Dec '16 3:41:45 PM Ramidel
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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'' briefly hits this trope via StrawmanHasAPoint. When Mamoru breaks up with Usagi [[spoiler: because he loves her and wants to protect her]], Usagi responds that he's Prince Endymion, she's Princess Serenity, and [[ReincarnationRomance they were in love before they were ever born]]. He responds by asking why they should be together just because of something in a past life. The viewer isn't meant to take him seriously, but he's still just called the entire premise of the series into question.
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