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6th Jan '17 5:12:31 PM nombretomado
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* The obscure ImageComics character Bloodwulf. He was a parody or homage of Lobo, in that he had the look, the high body count, the serious joy in bloodletting... but he was also a devoted family man who loved his wives and kids. His few appearances were never quite clear on whether they were mocking the character, or trying to cash in, or both.

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* The obscure ImageComics Creator/ImageComics character Bloodwulf. He was a parody or homage of Lobo, in that he had the look, the high body count, the serious joy in bloodletting... but he was also a devoted family man who loved his wives and kids. His few appearances were never quite clear on whether they were mocking the character, or trying to cash in, or both.
20th Dec '16 3:41:45 PM Ramidel
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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'' briefly hits this trope via StrawmanHasAPoint. When Mamoru breaks up with Usagi [[spoiler: because he loves her and wants to protect her]], Usagi responds that he's Prince Endymion, she's Princess Serenity, and [[ReincarnationRomance they were in love before they were ever born]]. He responds by asking why they should be together just because of something in a past life. The viewer isn't meant to take him seriously, but he's still just called the entire premise of the series into question.
26th Oct '16 4:13:46 PM nombretomado
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* The 2007 film ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' plays the myth fairly straight for most regards, but adds elements suggesting UnreliableNarrator, all sorts of raunchiness and deviations from the myth that suggest that it is a "true" version that ended up being portrayed more heroically in the myths. However it still has a naked Beowulf backflipping when fighting Grendel and being all beardy and manly and fighting monsters. A lot of arguments come up about whether or not a particular element was meant to be taken seriously.

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* The 2007 film ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' plays the myth fairly straight for most regards, but adds elements suggesting UnreliableNarrator, all sorts of raunchiness and deviations from the myth that suggest that it is a "true" version that ended up being portrayed more heroically in the myths. However it still has a naked Beowulf backflipping when fighting Grendel and being all beardy and manly and fighting monsters. A lot of arguments come up about whether or not a particular element was meant to be taken seriously.
17th Oct '16 5:04:14 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/KickAss'' sets itself up to examine the reality of normal people of superheroes like the comic book it adapts, and shows rather jarringly what would realistically happen to anyone who believes they got the skills, assets and resourcefulness satisfactory to be a costumed vigilante. However, ''unlike'' that comic book, [[DeconReconSwitch it then becomes a]] {{Reconstruction}} - effectively subverting the source material's entire plot and having the lead character eventually [[TookALevelInBadass gain many, many levels in Kick-Ass]] to demonstrate that either anything's possible with enough determination... or that grim realism is detrimental for a compelling plot. Of course, the original comic book went for such a self-indulgent DarkerAndEdgier dystopic view on humanity that you ''would'' think that it is an unintentional deconstruction of the self-absorbed emo-teenage fantasy (of the kind FrankMiller would agree with). At this point, however, it's either a very competent StealthParody or very sadly played straight.

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* ''Film/KickAss'' sets itself up to examine the reality of normal people of superheroes like the comic book it adapts, and shows rather jarringly what would realistically happen to anyone who believes they got the skills, assets and resourcefulness satisfactory to be a costumed vigilante. However, ''unlike'' that comic book, [[DeconReconSwitch it then becomes a]] {{Reconstruction}} - effectively subverting the source material's entire plot and having the lead character eventually [[TookALevelInBadass gain many, many levels in Kick-Ass]] to demonstrate that either anything's possible with enough determination... or that grim realism is detrimental for a compelling plot. Of course, the original comic book went for such a self-indulgent DarkerAndEdgier dystopic view on humanity that you ''would'' think that it is an unintentional deconstruction of the self-absorbed emo-teenage fantasy (of the kind FrankMiller Creator/FrankMiller would agree with). At this point, however, it's either a very competent StealthParody or very sadly played straight.
17th Sep '16 3:10:36 AM Furienna
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* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, some fans will wish that they could be put in the protagonists's shoes.

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* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, some fans will wish that they could be put in the protagonists's shoes.shoes of the protagonists.
17th Sep '16 3:08:31 AM Furienna
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* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, the fandom at large wished they could be put in the protagonists' shoes.

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* Children and Young Adult series like ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'', ''Literature/HarryPotter'', and ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' all eventually evolved into Anti-[[EscapistCharacter Escapists Fantasies.]] Each series displayed either ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne or WarIsHell. And yet, since the protagonists are more or less successful in defeating the {{Big Bad}}s, the fandom at large wished some fans will wish that they could be put in the protagonists' protagonists's shoes.
17th Sep '16 2:57:56 AM Furienna
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* ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' parodies the 'true love at first sight' aspect and the typical [[PrincessClassic romantic princess]]-[[PrinceCharming dashing knight]]-[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen evil queen]] setup of the original Disney films, with [[spoiler:Anna wanting a boyfriend to make up for her emotional neglect, Hans being a secret villain, and Elsa being a misunderstood good person. However at the climax of the movie Anna realises she and Kristoff love each other(although it is not used as the movie's solution) and at the end they share what the script terms 'a true love's kiss', despite her knowing him for only three days.]] Further, while Anna and Hans look like a stereotypical Princess and Prince respectively, [[BeautyEqualsGoodness Elsa doesn't resemble anything in the Disney Villain lineup.]]

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* ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' parodies the 'true love at first sight' aspect and the typical [[PrincessClassic romantic princess]]-[[PrinceCharming dashing knight]]-[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen evil queen]] setup of the original Disney films, with [[spoiler:Anna wanting a boyfriend to make up for her emotional neglect, Hans being a secret villain, and Elsa being a misunderstood good person. However at the climax of the movie Anna realises she and Kristoff love each other(although other (although it is not used as the movie's solution) and at the end they share what the script terms 'a true love's kiss', despite her knowing him for only three days.]] Further, while Anna and Hans look like a stereotypical Princess and Prince respectively, [[BeautyEqualsGoodness Elsa doesn't resemble anything in the Disney Villain lineup.]]
5th Sep '16 11:08:35 AM erforce
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* The 2007 film ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' plays the myth fairly straight for most regards, but adds elements suggesting UnreliableNarrator, all sorts of raunchiness and deviations from the myth that suggest that it is a "true" version that ended up being portrayed more heroically in the myths. However it still has a naked Beowulf backflipping when fighting Grendel and being all beardy and manly and fighting monsters. A lot of arguments come up about whether or not a particular element was meant to be taken seriously.

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* The 2007 film ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' plays the myth fairly straight for most regards, but adds elements suggesting UnreliableNarrator, all sorts of raunchiness and deviations from the myth that suggest that it is a "true" version that ended up being portrayed more heroically in the myths. However it still has a naked Beowulf backflipping when fighting Grendel and being all beardy and manly and fighting monsters. A lot of arguments come up about whether or not a particular element was meant to be taken seriously.
6th Aug '16 6:48:12 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* From the beginning ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'''s backstory had subversive elements. The awesome action hero Master Chief turns out to be that way because he was indoctrinated since childhood on how to kill. His OneManArmy status is irrelevant against an enemy who uses OrbitalBombardment. The unified human civilization of the future turns out to be not a benevolent federation but an authoritarian near-empire that just happens to be fighting aliens who are even worse. And sheer willpower by humanity turns out to be incapable of winning the war; humanity only survives because on an EnemyCivilWar tangentially related to this conflict that splits the invasion apart. If one just plays the games, though, the story appears like a straight "power of humans" tale, though later games are unifying the game stories and backstory more.

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* From the beginning ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'''s backstory had subversive elements. The awesome action hero Master Chief turns out to be that way because he was indoctrinated since childhood on how to kill. His OneManArmy status is irrelevant against an enemy who uses OrbitalBombardment. The unified human civilization of the future turns out to be not a benevolent federation but an authoritarian near-empire that just happens to be fighting aliens who are even worse. And sheer willpower by humanity turns out to be incapable of winning the war; humanity only survives because on an EnemyCivilWar tangentially related to this conflict that splits the invasion invaders apart. If one just plays the games, though, the story appears like a straight "power of humans" tale, though the later games are unifying have been increasingly bringing the game stories and darker parts of the backstory more.into the foreground.
15th Jul '16 7:45:34 PM WickedIcon
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** While it's definitely LighterAndSofter than ''IV'', ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' may be an even more severe example. The tone is much lighter and the organized crime aspects in general are shone in a much more flattering light, but somehow that just makes the darker aspects of the story all the more jarring. For example, Michael has a completely dysfunctional family life and a mountain of debt he owes to a government agent after striking a deal to escape his life of crime, culminating in Michael and his partners later being forced to [[spoiler:torture and kill]] on the government's behalf in order to return the favor, and two of the game's three endings requiring Franklin to [[spoiler:murder one of his closest partners.]] And don't even get us started on Trevor.

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** While it's definitely LighterAndSofter than ''IV'', ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' may be an even more severe example. The tone is much lighter and the organized crime aspects in general are shone in a much more flattering light, but somehow that just makes the darker aspects of the story all the more jarring. For example, Michael has a completely dysfunctional family life and a mountain of debt he owes to a government agent after striking a deal to escape his life of crime, culminating in Michael and his partners later being forced to [[spoiler:torture and kill]] on the government's behalf in order to return the favor, and two of the game's three endings requiring Franklin to [[spoiler:murder one of his closest partners.]] favor. And don't even get us started on Trevor.Trevor. [[JustifiedTrope This may, however, be part of the point;]] the game has a running theme of [[GreyAndGrayMorality showing multiple sides of every issue,]] and showing both the ups and severe downs of criminal life goes with this.
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