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* In ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4471900/7/Wreaking-Havoc Wreaking Havoc!]]'' Harry and Daphne Greengrass had a somewhat convoluted exchange concerning Nicholas Flamel.
-->'''Daphne''': What do you know that he knows and suspects that you know?\\
'''Harry''': I suspect that he knows what I need to know and that I know that he suspects that I suspect he knows what it is that I need to know.
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** In the end, Terezi's Seer of Mind power [[spoiler:shows her exactly how bad ''not'' stabbing Vriska would be, and she goes through with it]].
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From the second level on, the recipient of the deception (in this case Y) has two choices: either Y plays a counter-game so that the deception is revealed, or Y willingly plays the deception to X's logical conclusion. The first option will reveal Y to be playing a higher level, but will foil X's deception. The second option will let X fulfill the deception, but will not reveal Y's level. Reaction from Y is crucial, as this separates Y from a player of equal level to X. If that was the case, Y would simply be aware of the deception but unable to act upon it. In reacting, Y steps it up a level.

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From the second level on, the recipient of the deception (in this case Y) has two choices: either Y plays a counter-game so that the deception is revealed, or [[TrapIsTheOnlyOption Y willingly plays the deception to X's logical conclusion.conclusion]]. The first option will reveal Y to be playing a higher level, but will foil X's deception. The second option will let X fulfill the deception, but will not reveal Y's level. Reaction from Y is crucial, as this separates Y from a player of equal level to X. If that was the case, Y would simply be aware of the deception but unable to act upon it. In reacting, Y steps it up a level.

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* In the ''TabletopGme/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''Literature/TestOfMetal'', Jace and Tezzeret play this game, each trying to anticipate the other's moves while knowing the other is doing the same thing and knowing the other knows this.

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* In the ''TabletopGme/MagicTheGathering'' ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''Literature/TestOfMetal'', Jace and Tezzeret play this game, each trying to anticipate the other's moves while knowing the other is doing the same thing and knowing the other knows this.this.
* "Plugged" by [[Creator/EoinColfer Eoin Colfer]]: "He lied, and we both knew; what we didn't know was whether the other knew that we knew."
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** In some of the more complicated ''Mafia/Werewolf'' games, this can be a genuine issue. Oftentimes the evil team will have to deliberately and knowingly kill one of their own, because otherwise the good team will not only know that the person is evil, but that the other members of the evil team know that. It's now [[http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bussing common knowledge]] that the evil team will do that, but it's still more effective than the alternative.

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** In some of At the more complicated ''Mafia/Werewolf'' start of most games, this can be a genuine issue. Oftentimes the Mafia/werewolves/evil team all know who is on the evil team will have to deliberately and knowingly kill one of their own, because otherwise team, while the good team will knows nothing but the game's rules (and may not only 100% know that even that). Exploiting this fact is the person is evil, but that primary tool the other members of good team has to root out the baddies, particularly if the [[DetectEvil cop]] is keeping quiet or dead. The evil team know that. It's now [[http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.knows this, and will avoid letting on too much... which they might well overdo by ''conspicuously'' not talking about each other, or [[http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing common knowledge]] that the evil team will do that, but it's still affecting more effective suspicion than the alternative.is reasonable]].
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* Characters in the LymondChronicles are prone this. A particularly risible example is in TheGameOfKings, where Lymond, who is trying to help the Scottish forces, and knows his brother will disbelieve anything he says, LIES to him about the English intentions, knowing Richard will conclude the opposite.
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* The simple game "Rock-Scissors-Paper" tends to make for use of this trope to absurd degrees,all in simply figuring out what out of three moves your opponent will play.
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* In an episode of ''{{Friends}}'', "The One Where Everyone Finds Out", Phoebe and Rachel find out about Monica and Chandler's secret relationship, and something of an arms race begins regarding whether or not "they know we know they know we know!" Joey gets caught in the middle (since he's known for a while), and eventually throws up his hands when he can't keep track of who knows what.

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* In an episode of ''{{Friends}}'', "The One Where Everyone Finds Out", Phoebe and Rachel find out about Monica and Chandler's secret relationship, and something of an arms race begins regarding whether or not "they know we know they know we know!" Joey gets caught in the middle (since he's known for a while), and eventually throws up his hands when he can't keep track of who knows what. When Rachel and Pheobe order him not to tell Chandler and Monica, he exclaims: "Couldn't if I wanted to!".
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* Used in the ''Series/{{Stargate SG-1}}'' episode "Ripple Effect",

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* Used in the ''Series/{{Stargate SG-1}}'' ''Series/StargateSG1'' episode "Ripple Effect",
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** Any duel involving [[Anime/YuGiOh5D's Crow]] becomes this for his opponent, sometimes because he makes an appoint to flaunt his foolproof strategy (which actually works) and sometimes because his opponents think too much.

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** Any duel involving [[Anime/YuGiOh5D's [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds Crow]] becomes this for his opponent, sometimes because he makes an appoint to flaunt his foolproof strategy (which actually works) and sometimes because his opponents think too much.
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** Any duel involving [[Anime/YuGiOh5D's Crow]] becomes this for his opponent, sometimes because he makes an appoint to flaunt his foolproof strategy (which actually works) and sometimes because his opponents think too much.
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* On an episode of Monday Night RAW, before a scheduled match with Triple H, MickFoley's [[TheScrappy Dude Love]] and [[TheWoobie Mankind]] appeared on the screen to introduce [[AxCrazy Cactus Jack]]. (It was [[CrowningMomentofAwesome sort of a thing]].) Towards the end, Dude Love asks Mankind if "you're thinking what I'm thinking," and Mankind cheerfully replies "I think I ''am'' thinking what I think you think I think you're thinking!"

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* On an episode of Monday Night RAW, before a scheduled match with Triple H, MickFoley's [[TheScrappy Dude Love]] and [[TheWoobie Mankind]] appeared on the screen to introduce [[AxCrazy Cactus Jack]]. (It was [[CrowningMomentofAwesome sort of a thing]].) Towards the end, Dude Love asks Mankind if "you're thinking what I'm thinking," and Mankind cheerfully replies "I think I ''am'' thinking what I think you think I think you're thinking!"
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* ''WebComic/{{Precocious}}'':[[http://www.precociouscomic.com/archive/comic/2009/04/21 Autumn's plan]].
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'''Fiona''': Yes, Charles... I know.\\

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'''Fiona''': -->'''Fiona''': Yes, Charles... I know.\\
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-->'''Fiona''': Yes, Charles... I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': I know you know.\\
-->'''Fiona''': I know you know I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': Yes... ''(Dramatic pause)'' ... I know.\\

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-->'''Fiona''': '''Fiona''': Yes, Charles... I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': '''Charles''': I know you know.\\
-->'''Fiona''': '''Fiona''': I know you know I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': '''Charles''': Yes... ''(Dramatic ''(heavy dramatic pause)'' ... I know.\\
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-->'''Charles''': Yes... ''(Dramatic pause)... I know.\\

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-->'''Charles''': Yes... ''(Dramatic pause)...pause)'' ... I know.\\

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That I know she''s two-timin'' me\\

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That I know she''s two-timin'' she's two-timin' me\\


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* ''RoundTheHorne'''s [[LargeHam Overwrought romantic couple]] Charles and Fiona occasionally have exchanges like:
-->'''Fiona''': Yes, Charles... I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': I know you know.\\
-->'''Fiona''': I know you know I know.\\
-->'''Charles''': Yes... ''(Dramatic pause)... I know.\\
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* The Kursaal Flyers' aptly-named "Little does She Know" gleefully parodies this.
-->Little does she know that I know that she knows\\
That I know she''s two-timin'' me\\
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* Manhua/RavagesOfTime runs on this trope. One strategist would lay out a plan, and in the end would say, "Of course, if the enemy strategist is any good, he would know that I will be planning this, so...".
** Chapter 177 plays this [[UpToEleven up to at least ''fifteen'' layers deep]]. Zhang Fei and Chen Gong were scheming against each other; the former was trying to lure Lu Bu to Xiapi to kill him while the latter wish to drive out Zhang Fei to take Xiapi. Both of them outlines their plans, and the narrative switch back and forth between them anticipating each other.
** According to Pang Tong, the ultimate strategy is to "Let your opponent know your next step. Even more brilliant is to let your opponent know your next ''two'' steps." (And then, the next ''three''...)

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* In the ''TabletopGme/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''Literature/TestOfMetal'', Jace and Tezzeret play this game, each trying to anticipate the other's moves while knowing the other is doing the same thing and knowing the other knows this.










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* In the ''TabletopGme/MagicTheGathering'' novel ''MagicTheGathering/TestOfMetal'', Jace and Tezzeret play this game, each trying to anticipate the other's moves while knowing the other is doing the same thing and knowing the other knows this.
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* Happens quite a few times in ''Series/YesMinister''. Especially funny due to Sir Humphrey's penchant for SesquipedalianLoquaciousness.

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* Happens quite a few times in ''Series/YesMinister''. Especially funny due to Sir Humphrey's penchant for SesquipedalianLoquaciousness. When discussing use of nuclear weapons:
-->'''Sir Humphrey:''' It's a deterrent!
-->'''Hacker:''' It's a bluff. I probably wouldn't use it.
-->'''Sir Humphrey:''' Yes, but they don't know you probably wouldn't.
-->'''Hacker:''' They probably do.
-->'''Sir Humphrey:''' Yes, they probably know that you probably wouldn't, but they can't ''certainly'' know!
-->'''Hacker:''' They probably certainly know that I probably wouldn't.
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Typical punchline: ''"...what was I doing again?"''[[hottip:*:Extra punchline: ''"I don't know."'']]

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Typical punchline: ''"...what was I doing again?"''[[hottip:*:Extra again?"''[[note]]Extra punchline: ''"I don't know."'']]
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* From the ''HarryPotter'' AlternateDVDCommentary GagDub ''Wizard People, Dear Readers'': "Then, dear readers, Harry notices a tear in Snake's pants and blood all over her leg, and Snake notices that Harry has noticed, and he notices she noticed that! I mean, there is a trade of noticing going on that is just bewildering."

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* From the ''HarryPotter'' ''Film/HarryPotter'' AlternateDVDCommentary GagDub ''Wizard People, Dear Readers'': "Then, dear readers, Harry notices a tear in Snake's pants and blood all over her leg, and Snake notices that Harry has noticed, and he notices she noticed that! I mean, there is a trade of noticing going on that is just bewildering."
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* Happens quite a few times in ''YesMinister''. Especially funny due to Sir Humphrey's penchant for SesquipedalianLoquaciousness.

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* Happens quite a few times in ''YesMinister''.''Series/YesMinister''. Especially funny due to Sir Humphrey's penchant for SesquipedalianLoquaciousness.

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** Tthe opponent is in the exact same situation because you could TakeAThirdOption: switch out ''yourself'' into say a Grass-type that could handle either Water or Ground (and other options exist, so unless all of the opponent's Pokemon have already been revealed, you never know what may be brought out next).

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** Tthe The opponent is in the exact same situation because you could TakeAThirdOption: switch out ''yourself'' into say a Grass-type that could handle either Water or Ground (and other options exist, so unless all of the opponent's Pokemon have already been revealed, you never know what may be brought out next).next).
*** Rotation battles, giving you three pokemon and the ability to switch which one is in front and able to attack and be attacked in your turn, uses this even more so as your attack could end up hitting one of three pokemon and you never really know which one. This is naturally the best feature of the battle variety.
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* Played with in ''MyImmortal''. When [[strike: Ebony]] Enoby travels back in time, she knows that [[strike:Snape]] Snoop possessed [[strike:James]] Samaro and made him kill [[strike:Lucious]] Lucian. She, however, did not "want them to know [she] knew." Whether or not Tom knew she knew is not made clear, but it is likely, as [[spoiler:he is Volxemort and commanded Snop.]] "Suddenly it's a {{sitcom}}," the dramatic reading snarked at this bit.

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* Played with in ''MyImmortal''.''FanFic/MyImmortal''. When [[strike: Ebony]] Enoby travels back in time, she knows that [[strike:Snape]] Snoop possessed [[strike:James]] Samaro and made him kill [[strike:Lucious]] Lucian. She, however, did not "want them to know [she] knew." Whether or not Tom knew she knew is not made clear, but it is likely, as [[spoiler:he is Volxemort and commanded Snop.]] "Suddenly it's a {{sitcom}}," the dramatic reading snarked at this bit.



* Happens in ''DeathNoteEquestria'', mostly between Twilight and L.
* In a recent chapter of DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns, Theron Mahariel, the Dalish Elf Warden, contemplates how he's been passively spying / been allowed to eavesdrop on some secret talks between the GuileHero dwarven noble protagonist and Alim Surana, OneManArmy mage. The extent of the I know he knows I don't, etc., has to be seen to be believed. And it's only ''slightly'' played for laughs.

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* Happens in ''DeathNoteEquestria'', ''FanFic/DeathNoteEquestria'', mostly between Twilight and L.
* In a recent chapter of DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns, ''FanFic/DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns'', Theron Mahariel, the Dalish Elf Warden, contemplates how he's been passively spying / been allowed to eavesdrop on some secret talks between the GuileHero dwarven noble protagonist and Alim Surana, OneManArmy mage. The extent of the I know he knows I don't, etc., has to be seen to be believed. And it's only ''slightly'' played for laughs.
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** Also in the regular series episode "Let's Kill Hitler", between the Doctor and River. [[spoiler:Though it doesn't matter, because she's already poisoned him.]]

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** Also in the regular series episode "Let's Kill Hitler", [[XanatosSpeedChess between the Doctor and River.River]]. [[spoiler:Though it doesn't matter, because she's already poisoned him.]]
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* The big reveal in Book XI of ''TheBrothersKaramazov'' relies on this type of logic played seriously. You can almost see it coming when it is occurring at an earlier point in the novel (some hints are dropped that ''something'' is going on at either rate), but when you learn precisely what took place in one character's mind as a result of [[GambitRoulette seemingly-irrelevant events]], it forces you to [[MindScrew re-evaluate everything else that has happened.]]

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* The big reveal in Book XI of ''TheBrothersKaramazov'' ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'' relies on this type of logic played seriously. You can almost see it coming when it is occurring at an earlier point in the novel (some hints are dropped that ''something'' is going on at either rate), but when you learn precisely what took place in one character's mind as a result of [[GambitRoulette seemingly-irrelevant events]], it forces you to [[MindScrew re-evaluate everything else that has happened.]]
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** Ends up as something of a XanatosGambit / CrazyPrepared in that by the time the scene has finished Dangermouse has saved Penfold's Auntie, Penfold (twice) and the famous buildings of the Americas due to utilising the extreme number of guesses to blow up Greenback's shipboard comupter.

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** Ends up as something of a XanatosGambit / CrazyPrepared in that by the time the scene has finished Dangermouse has saved Penfold's Auntie, Penfold (twice) and the famous buildings of the Americas due to utilising the extreme number of guesses to blow up Greenback's shipboard comupter.computer - by getting Greenback to ask it to figure out exactly who had outguessed who.
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* Very common in counter-espionage, classic example is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel Radio Game]]. Allied set a spy, germans kenw that he was a a spy and turned him, allied knew that the germans knew, germans knew that the allied knew that they knew and finally ended the charade.

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