History Main / IcecreamKoan

15th Jan '17 5:45:53 PM Odacon_Spy
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-->'''Monk''': What are you doing here?!
-->'''Wei Shen''': When - when energy flows among flowers... we are all everywhere. I am here, and not here. I -- [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ...love flowers]].

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-->'''Monk''': What are you doing here?!
-->'''Wei
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'''Wei
Shen''': When - en... when energy flows among flowers... we are all everywhere. I... I am here, here... and not here. I -- [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ...I, um... [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking love flowers]].\\
'''Monk''': Ahh, Brother. So true, so true.
8th Jan '17 4:51:08 AM Shadozcreep
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** Sounds like the point was meant the be "A sword can't be used to elevate someone to your level" or something. May not be complete nonsense, it may just be that the delivery was scatterbrained.
3rd Jan '17 2:07:50 AM HawkbitAlpha
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->''"Any sufficiently advanced riddle is indistinguishable from gibberish."''

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->''"Any ->''[[ClarkesThirdLaw "Any sufficiently advanced riddle is indistinguishable from gibberish."''"]]''
19th Dec '16 11:24:50 PM BattleMaster
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* ''Webcomic/TooMuchInformation'' has a tendency to dip into this trope, particularly in the "Grandpy Says" pages.
26th Nov '16 6:43:19 AM Drope
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Compare MistakenForProfound, SeeminglyProfoundFool, WhenIsPurple. Compare ''and'' contrast ShaggyFrogStory. Contrast ProverbialWisdom. Related to TrueArtIsIncomprehensible. Has nothing to do with actual Ice Cream, ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' Character or [[Anime/ShatteredAngels the absolute angel]]. Might be confused with the famous Confucian sayings (which are also Chinese, but not Buddhist), which tend to be recited in YouNoTakeCandle English.

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Compare MistakenForProfound, SeeminglyProfoundFool, WhenIsPurple.WhenIsPurple and {{Metaphorgotten}}. Compare ''and'' contrast ShaggyFrogStory. Contrast ProverbialWisdom. Related to TrueArtIsIncomprehensible. Has nothing to do with actual Ice Cream, ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' Character or [[Anime/ShatteredAngels the absolute angel]]. Might be confused with the famous Confucian sayings (which are also Chinese, but not Buddhist), which tend to be recited in YouNoTakeCandle English.
19th Nov '16 9:15:17 PM merotoker
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If done savvily enough, is indeed a form of TruthInTelevision--the point of a Zen koan (literally "Public Case", a story), is to show that contradiction is actually a delusion, and help the student let go of the mental habit of arranging things into dichotomies (because both extremes, despite their apparent contradiction, are actually ''one thing''). Strangely enough, the TropeNamer above that actually mentions ice cream, while seeming nonsensical, does actually make sense.

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If done savvily enough, is indeed a form of TruthInTelevision--the point of a Zen koan (literally "Public Case", a story), is to show that contradiction is actually a delusion, and help the student let go of the mental habit of arranging things into dichotomies (because both extremes, despite their apparent contradiction, are actually ''one thing''). Strangely enough, the TropeNamer {{Trope Namer|s}} above that actually mentions ice cream, while seeming nonsensical, does actually make sense.



* "{{The more you know}}, the more you Kohl's." -Utterly nonsensical slogan that plays over the PA in Kohl's department stores every five minutes.

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* "{{The "[[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle The more you know}}, know]], the more you Kohl's." -Utterly nonsensical slogan that plays over the PA in Kohl's department stores every five minutes.



-->As teach astronomers [[CompositeCharacter Abraham-Israel-Moses-Buddha-Hillel-Jesus-Spinoza-Paine-Sagan & Mohammed]], inspired every 76 years, 6000 years by the Messenger of God's Law, [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation the sign of the Messiah, Halley's Comet]]: "WE'RE ALL ONE OR NONE!" "THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD!" "TEACH LOVE THY ENEMY!" "LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER ETERNALLY ONE!" [[InterfaithSmoothie Israel-Moses-Buddha-Jesus-Mohammed]]: ONE! ALL ONE! 1st: [[ExtremeDoormat If I'm not for me, who am I? Nobody!]] 2nd: [[ItsAllAboutMe Yet, if I'm only for me]], [[LonersAreFreaks what am I? Nothing!]] 3rd: [[TimeyWimeyBall If not now, when?]] Once more: Unless [[UsefulNotes/{{Capitalism}} constructive-selfish I work hard]], like Mark Spitz, perfecting first me, absolute nothing can help perfect me!

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-->As teach astronomers [[CompositeCharacter Abraham-Israel-Moses-Buddha-Hillel-Jesus-Spinoza-Paine-Sagan & Mohammed]], inspired every 76 years, 6000 years by the Messenger of God's Law, [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation the sign of the Messiah, Halley's Comet]]: "WE'RE ALL ONE OR NONE!" "THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD!" "TEACH LOVE THY ENEMY!" "LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER ETERNALLY ONE!" [[InterfaithSmoothie Israel-Moses-Buddha-Jesus-Mohammed]]: ONE! ALL ONE! 1st: [[ExtremeDoormat If I'm not for me, who am I? Nobody!]] 2nd: [[ItsAllAboutMe Yet, if I'm only for me]], [[LonersAreFreaks what am I? Nothing!]] 3rd: [[TimeyWimeyBall If not now, when?]] Once more: Unless [[UsefulNotes/{{Capitalism}} constructive-selfish I work hard]], like Mark Spitz, perfecting first me, absolute nothing can help perfect me!



* Gen from ''Anime/GenesisOfAquarion'' does these OnceAnEpisode.

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* Gen from ''Anime/GenesisOfAquarion'' does these OnceAnEpisode.OncePerEpisode.



* Cynthia of the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is accused of this trope in the Diamond & Pearl part of the anime. Many times, she would refer to the saying "When one life touches another life, a new life is born." Unfortunately, considering that the common recipients were [[IdiotHero Ash]] and [[TheSocialDarwinist Paul]], [[FoeYay the context came off]] [[HoYay as something else]].

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* Cynthia of the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime is accused of this trope in the Diamond & Pearl part of the anime. Many times, she would refer to the saying "When one life touches another life, a new life is born." Unfortunately, considering that the common recipients were [[IdiotHero Ash]] and [[TheSocialDarwinist Paul]], [[FoeYay the context came off]] [[HoYay as something else]].



* [[MarvelMangaverse Spider-Man Mangaverse]] has a ton of these in the climatic 'ninja' fight-scene. Most are, upon further reflection, ridiculous.

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* [[MarvelMangaverse [[Manga/MarvelMangaverse Spider-Man Mangaverse]] has a ton of these in the climatic 'ninja' fight-scene. Most are, upon further reflection, ridiculous.



* ''KungPow'': Mu Shu Fasa in deliberately baffles the ChosenOne with a Koan.
-->'''ChosenOne''': What is this EvilCouncil everyone speaks of?\\

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* ''KungPow'': ''Film/KungPowEnterTheFist'': Mu Shu Fasa in deliberately baffles the ChosenOne TheChosenOne with a Koan.
-->'''ChosenOne''': -->'''Chosen One''': What is this EvilCouncil [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness Evil Council]] everyone speaks of?\\



'''ChosenOne''': I don't understand.\\

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'''ChosenOne''': '''Chosen One''': I don't understand.\\



** For the record, the Dark Council turns out to be [[spoiler:aliens. ''French'' aliens.]]

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** For the record, the Dark Council turns out to be [[spoiler:aliens. ''French'' aliens.]]aliens]].



* In ''Film/InTheLoop'' Simon Foster tells the world's media "To walk the path of peace, we must be prepared to climb the mountain of conflict."

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* In ''Film/InTheLoop'' ''Film/InTheLoop'': Simon Foster tells the world's media "To walk the path of peace, we must be prepared to climb the mountain of conflict."



* The Martian ambassador's speech in ''Film/MarsAttacks'' ends with one of these. "... For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest." Neatly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by Creator/RodSteiger's [[GeneralRipper character]]: "What the HELL does that mean?!"
** Note that the humans need a (human-made) translating machine to understand the Martians. It's never outright stated, but there are a few hints (like the above) that the machine is not working correctly.

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* The Martian ambassador's speech in ''Film/MarsAttacks'' ends with one of these. "... For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest." Neatly [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}d by Creator/RodSteiger's [[GeneralRipper character]]: "What the HELL does that mean?!"
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mean?!" Note that the humans need a (human-made) translating machine to understand the Martians. It's never outright stated, but there are a few hints (like the above) that the machine is not working correctly.



* Most of the "Creator/{{Confucius}} Say" jokes utilize a combination of this, {{Incredibly Lame Pun}}s and LiteralMinded, such as "Man who farts in church sits in his own pew".

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* Most of the "Creator/{{Confucius}} Say" jokes utilize a combination of this, {{Incredibly Lame Pun}}s incredible lame {{pun}}s and LiteralMinded, such as "Man who farts in church sits in his own pew".



-->''In the Second Scroll of Wen the Eternally Surprised'' a story is written concerning one day when the apprentice Clodpool, in a rebellious mood, approached Wen and spake thusly:\\

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-->''In the Second Scroll of Wen the Eternally Surprised'' a story is written concerning one day when the apprentice Clodpool, in a rebellious mood, approached Wen and spake spoke thusly:\\



* Quite a few accidental ones pop up in ''[[Literature/MaradoniaSaga Maradonia andthe Seven Bridges]] by Creator/GloriaTesch. Multiple attempts at profundity fall flat throughout the book.

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* Quite a few accidental ones pop up in ''[[Literature/MaradoniaSaga Maradonia andthe and the Seven Bridges]] by Creator/GloriaTesch. Multiple attempts at profundity fall flat throughout the book.



* An ominous line from ''[[Literature/HumanxCommonwealth Mid-Flinx]]'' could be considered a subversion. When Teal informs Aimee that "You do not wear the cristif, the cristif wears you", Aimee assumes the native woman is just invoking some superstitious ice cream koan about the flower in her hair. In truth, [[spoiler: Teal means that the flower is ''literally'' wearing Aimee, as it's an invasive parasite that's covertly driven its tendrils into Aimee's body and is consuming her from within]].

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* ''Literature/HumanxCommonwealth'': An ominous line from ''[[Literature/HumanxCommonwealth Mid-Flinx]]'' ''Mid-Flinx'' could be considered a subversion. When Teal informs Aimee that "You do not wear the cristif, the cristif wears you", Aimee assumes the native woman is just invoking some superstitious ice cream koan about the flower in her hair. In truth, [[spoiler: Teal means that the flower is ''literally'' wearing Aimee, as it's an invasive parasite that's covertly driven its tendrils into Aimee's body and is consuming her from within]].



* In the words of [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Bilbo]]: "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." [[MindScrew Which makes half as much sense as half a hole in the ground.]]

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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': In the words of [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Bilbo]]: Bilbo: "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." [[MindScrew Which makes half as much sense as half a hole in the ground.]]



** Apparently, the only way to actually understand this one is to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence. Daniel even uses this as a ploy when he suspects that he's being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] instead of talking to the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Ancient]] who helped him [[TouchedByVorlons ascend]]:

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** Apparently, the only way to actually understand this one is to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence. Daniel even uses this as a ploy when he suspects that he's being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] {{Mind Probe}}d instead of talking to the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Ancient]] who helped him [[TouchedByVorlons ascend]]:



* A RunningGag on ''FTroop''. Chief Wild Eagle has an old Indian saying for every occasion, though they come across as sheer gibberish. {{Lampshaded}} on occasion when he admits he doesn't know what a saying is supposed to mean.

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* A RunningGag on ''FTroop''.''Series/FTroop''. Chief Wild Eagle has an old Indian saying for every occasion, though they come across as sheer gibberish. {{Lampshaded}} {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d on occasion when he admits he doesn't know what a saying is supposed to mean.



* {{Lampshaded}} on ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' -- Michael's Last Dundies:

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* {{Lampshaded}} {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d on ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' -- Michael's Last Dundies:






* ''FlightOfTheConchords'' revels in intentionally invoking this trope, particularly in Cello Tape. "Life is like a retractable pencil/If you push on it too hard it's gonna break/People are like paper dolls/Paper dolls and people, they have a similar shape."

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* ''FlightOfTheConchords'' ''Music/FlightOfTheConchords'' revels in intentionally invoking this trope, particularly in Cello Tape. "Life is like a retractable pencil/If you push on it too hard it's gonna break/People are like paper dolls/Paper dolls and people, they have a similar shape."



* The sign-off phrase of ''Radio/ImSorryIHaventAClue'' is always a variation of this concerning [[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords Time, Eternity, Fate and Destiny]]. TheOtherWiki gives us:

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* The sign-off phrase of ''Radio/ImSorryIHaventAClue'' is always a variation of this concerning [[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords Time, Eternity, Fate and Destiny]]. TheOtherWiki [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] gives us:



* Cernd from ''VideoGame/BaldursGate II'' verges perilously close to this trope sometimes... and sometimes he dives right in.

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* Cernd from ''VideoGame/BaldursGate II'' ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' verges perilously close to this trope sometimes... and sometimes he dives right in.



** The series of missions leading up to Winston's wedding also has a portion in which Wei needs to sneak into a monastery to pick an expensive flower from its garden, which he accomplishes by putting on a robe and and B.S.ing these on the fly to "blend in" when confronted by the monks.

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** The series of missions leading up to Winston's wedding also has a portion in which Wei needs to sneak into a monastery to pick an expensive flower from its garden, which he accomplishes by putting on a robe and and B.S.ing these on the fly to "blend in" when confronted by the monks.



* "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" Originally a TranslationTrainWreck on Website/FourChan, this question has become arguably the most famous IceCreamKoan on the Internet. Even worse, nobody has yet managed to understand the meaning of the original post.

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* "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" Originally a TranslationTrainWreck on Website/FourChan, this question has become arguably the most famous IceCreamKoan example on the Internet. Even worse, nobody has yet managed to understand the meaning of the original post.



* Koenieg in ''TheIntercontinentalUnionOfDisgustingCharacters'' tended to spout these, much to the chagrin of ally and enemy alike.

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* Koenieg in ''TheIntercontinentalUnionOfDisgustingCharacters'' ''Literature/TheIntercontinentalUnionOfDisgustingCharacters'' tended to spout these, much to the chagrin of ally and enemy alike.



* Invoked in''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' Commercials episode. The Critic compares the old Pop Tarts slogan of "So cool, it's hot! So hot, it's cool!" to "one of those Zen riddles you're never supposed to actually get". It then shows two monks standing in a field, with sensei positing the slogan as a Koan, with the student reluctantly asking "pop tarts?" and being angrily told he's wrong.

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* Invoked in''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' Commercials episode.episode "Revenge of the Commercials". The Critic compares the old Pop Tarts slogan of "So cool, it's hot! So hot, it's cool!" to "one of those Zen riddles you're never supposed to actually get". It then shows two monks standing in a field, with sensei positing the slogan as a Koan, with the student reluctantly asking "pop tarts?" and being angrily told he's wrong.



** Iroh also lampshades his tendancy to give ice cream koans at one point where Zuko is fighting a pirate. He rebukes his nephew with "Are you so busy fighting that you cannot see your ship has set sail?" to which is replied that it isn't the time for proverbs. Iroh points out the pirates' ship really is leaving without them, and then after the pirates make off with ''their'' ship while Zuko was busy laughing at them, he muses "maybe it should be a proverb..."
* The Zen BigGuy from ''WesternAnimation/TheMightyDucks'' cartoon, Grin, would state that pain is an illusion, but quickly be forced to admit that it's an illusion that ''really really hurts''.

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** Iroh also lampshades his tendancy tendency to give ice cream koans at one point where Zuko is fighting a pirate. He rebukes his nephew with "Are you so busy fighting that you cannot see your ship has set sail?" to which is replied that it isn't the time for proverbs. Iroh points out the pirates' ship really is leaving without them, and then after the pirates make off with ''their'' ship while Zuko was busy laughing at them, he muses "maybe it should be a proverb..."
* The Zen BigGuy [[TheBigGuy Big Guy]] from ''WesternAnimation/TheMightyDucks'' cartoon, Grin, would state that pain is an illusion, but quickly be forced to admit that it's an illusion that ''really really hurts''.
16th Nov '16 7:09:07 AM WillBGood
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--->'''Jack:''' [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Oh, I don't know about ''that''.]]

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--->'''Jack:''' [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Oh, I don't know about ''that''.]]''[[GettingCrapPastTheRadar that]]''.
8th Nov '16 11:55:47 AM Vir
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-->There's revolution in the air. And also in the river. I'm not gonna cut my hair. The sky's up in the sky. And the rivers are the forests are the mountains are the sea. And I am you, but you are not me. And the visions of our minds are in the valleys which are valleys. And the oceans and a camel and my new socks and a book.
* Tito from ''WesternAnimation/RocketPower'' often gave profound "Ancient Hawaiian" koans which most were actually pretty meaningful and were often relevant to the plot and/or moral of their respective episodes. The Ice Cream Koan comes from Sammy making fun of this in a video game based on his friends with the in-game Tito expy saying "Never drink milk from a coconut you find in the dark." Tito himself is baffled by this and argues that the ancient Hawaiians have never said that.

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-->There's revolution in the air. And also in the river. I'm not gonna cut my hair. The [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment sky's up in the sky. sky]]. [[MindScrew And the rivers are the forests are the mountains are the sea. And I am you, but you are not me. me]]. And the visions of our minds are in the valleys [[ShapedLikeItself which are valleys.valleys]]. And the oceans and a camel and my new socks and a book.
* Tito from ''WesternAnimation/RocketPower'' often gave profound "Ancient Hawaiian" koans which most were actually pretty meaningful and were often relevant to the plot and/or moral of their respective episodes. The Ice Cream Koan comes from Sammy making fun of this in a video game based on his friends with the in-game Tito expy {{expy}} saying "Never drink milk from a coconut you find in the dark." Tito himself is baffled by this and argues that the ancient Hawaiians have never said that.
8th Nov '16 11:52:45 AM Vir
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* After Adlai shoos away the orphans belittling Leela in ''WesternAnimation/Futurama,'' they begin discussing their careers. After dismissing her job as being "just a package delivery" job, he gives one of his own. [[CaptainObvious It comes across as an unnecessary point of fact]], but Leela appeared to be impressed by it.
-->Adlai: ''A package is just a box until it's delivered.''

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* After On ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', after Adlai shoos away the orphans belittling Leela in ''WesternAnimation/Futurama,'' Leela, they begin discussing their careers. After dismissing her job as being "just a package delivery" job, he gives one of his own. [[CaptainObvious It comes across as an unnecessary point of fact]], but Leela appeared to be impressed by it.
-->Adlai: -->'''Adlai''': ''A package is just a box until it's delivered.''
3rd Nov '16 4:26:15 PM BobTanaka
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* Sally on ''Series/TheDickVanDykeShow'' frequently quotes her Aunt Agnes, much to the confusion of her fellow writers, and herself.
-->'''Sally:''' "Every time I think of those words, I want to cry..."
-->'''Buddy:''' "How come?"
-->'''Sally:''' "Because I think my Aunt Agnes is a nut!"
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