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17th Jun '17 10:03:26 PM TheNerevarine
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* An important plot point in ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', where the titular heroine witnesses first hand [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI one of the most destructive conflicts in human history]] and ends up loosing hope in mankind. She was initially under the belief that men were under the influence of [[WarGod Ares]] and pitted to fight against each other. [[spoiler:Turns out he merely suggests them new ways to kill each other from the shadows, rather than forcing them to do anything. The fact that even after being killed by Diana and bringing [=WWI=] to an end, other even more terrible conflicts such as World War II and the countless Cold War proxy fights would follow and he wouldn't be alive to influence proves him right that humanity doesn't need outside forces to kill each other.]]

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* An important plot point in ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', where the titular heroine witnesses first hand [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI one of the most destructive conflicts in human history]] and ends up loosing hope in mankind. She was initially under the belief that men were under the influence of [[WarGod Ares]] and pitted to fight against each other. [[spoiler:Turns out he merely suggests them new ways to kill each other from the shadows, rather than forcing them to do anything. The fact that even after being killed by Diana and bringing [=WWI=] to an end, other even more terrible conflicts such as World War II and the countless Cold War proxy fights would follow and he wouldn't be alive to influence proves ends up proving him right that humanity doesn't need can perfectly wage war without outside forces to kill each other.forces.]]
17th Jun '17 6:35:08 PM TheNerevarine
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* An important plot point in ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', where the titular heroine witnesses first hand [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI one of the most destructive conflicts in human history]] and ends up loosing hope in mankind. She was initially under the belief that men were under the influence of [[WarGod Ares]] and pitted to fight against each other. [[spoiler:Turns out he merely suggests them new ways to kill each other from the shadows, rather than forcing them to do anything. The fact that even after being killed by Diana and bringing [=WWI=] to an end, other even more terrible conflicts such as World War II and the countless Cold War proxy fights would follow and he wouldn't be alive to influence proves him right that humanity doesn't need outside forces to kill each other.]]
1st Jun '17 7:40:19 PM jormis29
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* This is a recurring motif for George A. Romero's zombie films, all the way from the original ''Film/NightOfTheLivingDead1968''. It's argued that, from at least ''Film/LandOfTheDead'' on, it's actually ''hurt'' Romero's story-telling, as he keeps rehashing/hammering in the same old message.

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* This is a recurring motif for George A. Romero's Creator/GeorgeARomero's zombie films, all the way from the original ''Film/NightOfTheLivingDead1968''. It's argued that, from at least ''Film/LandOfTheDead'' on, it's actually ''hurt'' Romero's story-telling, as he keeps rehashing/hammering in the same old message.
30th May '17 12:14:45 PM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]], ''especially'' the Altmer (High Elves), believe this about the races of Men. They see Men as having [[WeAreAsMayflies pitifully short lives]] filled with [[HumansAreWarriors violence and savagery]] who disrupt everything the elves try to achieve. According to Altmeri religious beliefs, the creation of Mundus (the mortal world) was seen as an act of malevolence as it forced them to experience mortal suffering, loss, and death while removing their spirits from a place of pre-creation divinity. While most are content to toil in this mortal "prison" with "more limitations than not," some extremists, like the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]], actively seek to ''[[OmnicidalManiac undo creation]]'' to return to that state of pre-creation divinity. However, they believe that not just the ''existence'' of mankind, but the existence of the ''possibility'' of mankind [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence keeps them trapped in Mundus]]. (According to their beliefs, mankind were made up from the "weakest souls" by the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god Lorkhan]] to spread Sithis (chaos) "into every corner," ensuring that there could never again be the "stasis" of pre-creation.)
29th May '17 5:27:25 PM cwf123
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--> '''David''': Think of all those men out there, in their uniforms! Barking and swallowing orders! Inflicting their petty rule over the entire globe! Think of all the harm they've done! To you! To me! To humanity! And know this, that we can make them, and their flags and their anthems and their governments dissappear! In a flash! You and me!

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--> '''David''': Think of about all those men out there, in their uniforms! Barking and swallowing orders! Inflicting their petty rule over the entire globe! Think of all the harm they've done! To you! To me! To humanity! And know this, that we can make them, and their flags and their anthems and their governments dissappear! In a flash! You and me!
24th May '17 7:46:30 AM thatmadork
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' has ''tons'' of this. Humans in this universe were certainly bastards enough to destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust driven by racism and spite, and post-apocalyptic living has not improved things. The biggest singular example has to be [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Vault 11]]: just the existence of the Vaults is bad enough (they're fallout shelters that are actually a front for fucked-up social experiments for the US government - the Vaults weren't really meant to save anybody, and if they did it was more by accident) but Vault 11 really takes the cake. [[spoiler:It's a Vault run by an AI that demands a human sacrifice every year or it kills the entire population of the Vault. The population decided to sacrifice the first Overseer (they ''forced'' him to go out of spite, him being the bearer of bad news after all) and ever since voted to sacrifice the Overseer. For years the people of Vault 11 callously sent their own to their deaths, some found ways of rigging the election process so they'd never get picked, and some even used their voting power to extort other residents (one of them extorted sexual favours from a woman by threatening to vote for her husband; when she complied, [[KickTheDog they voted for him anyway]]). When this woman was made Overseer and she changed the election process to a random number selection, all hell broke lose and a massive civil war broke out. Only five people survived. When these five went down into the bowels of the Vault to tell the AI they'd had enough the AI revealed that the sacrifice was just a SecretTestOfCharacter and it would have ''just let everyone go'' if they refused, citing their "commitment to preserving human life". After learning this, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone the five all committed suicide]].]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' has ''tons'' of this. Humans in this universe were certainly bastards enough to destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust driven by racism and spite, and post-apocalyptic living has not improved things. The biggest singular example has to be [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Vault 11]]: just the existence of the Vaults is bad enough (they're fallout shelters that are actually a front for fucked-up social experiments for the US government - the Vaults weren't really meant to save anybody, and if they did it was more by accident) but Vault 11 really takes the cake. [[spoiler:It's a Vault run by an AI that demands a human sacrifice every year or it kills the entire population of the Vault. The population decided to sacrifice the first Overseer (they ''forced'' him to go out of spite, him being the bearer of bad news after all) and ever since voted to sacrifice the Overseer. For years the people of Vault 11 callously sent their own to their deaths, some found ways of rigging the election process so they'd never get picked, and some even used their voting power to extort other residents (one of them extorted sexual favours from a woman by threatening to vote for her husband; when she complied, [[KickTheDog they voted for him anyway]]). When this woman was made Overseer and Overseer, she changed the election process to a random number selection, all hell broke lose and the corrupt voting block got unbelievably pissed off and started a massive civil war broke out. war. Only five people out of thousands survived. When the smoke clears these last five went go down into the bowels of the Vault to and tell the AI they'd had enough the AI revealed that the and they're not going to sacrifice anybody... at which point the Vault door unlocks and the AI congratulates them. The whole point of the Vault was just a SecretTestOfCharacter and it to see if the people would have ''just let everyone go'' if they refused, citing their "commitment all stand up to preserving human life". the computer. After learning this, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone four of the five all committed suicide]].]]
24th May '17 7:36:38 AM thatmadork
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' has ''tons'' of this. Humans in this universe were certainly bastards enough to destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust driven by racism and spite, and post-apocalyptic living has not improved things. The biggest singular example has to be [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas Vault 11]]: just the existence of the Vaults is bad enough (they're fallout shelters that are actually a front for fucked-up social experiments for the US government - the Vaults weren't really meant to save anybody, and if they did it was more by accident) but Vault 11 really takes the cake. [[spoiler:It's a Vault run by an AI that demands a human sacrifice every year or it kills the entire population of the Vault. The population decided to sacrifice the first Overseer (they ''forced'' him to go out of spite, him being the bearer of bad news after all) and ever since voted to sacrifice the Overseer. For years the people of Vault 11 callously sent their own to their deaths, some found ways of rigging the election process so they'd never get picked, and some even used their voting power to extort other residents (one of them extorted sexual favours from a woman by threatening to vote for her husband; when she complied, [[KickTheDog they voted for him anyway]]). When this woman was made Overseer and she changed the election process to a random number selection, all hell broke lose and a massive civil war broke out. Only five people survived. When these five went down into the bowels of the Vault to tell the AI they'd had enough the AI revealed that the sacrifice was just a SecretTestOfCharacter and it would have ''just let everyone go'' if they refused, citing their "commitment to preserving human life". After learning this, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone the five all committed suicide]].]]
24th May '17 7:21:25 AM TheNerfGuy
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* ''Literature/ADeadlyPresence'': [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism The people, of course,]] [[SarcasmMode show their their best qualities]] [[HumansAreBastards and set up the poor crippled animal for all their "noble" deeds: thievery of each others' farm animals,]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters drug trading and murders]]. And only Jean and Cliff fight for his right to live...
23rd May '17 5:09:29 AM SkidTroper
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* The Interim Coalition of Governance from ''Literature/XeeleeSequence'' is this UpToEleven. They have a level of DarkerAndEdgier that could give 1984 a run for its money and surpasses [[TabletopGames/Warhammer40K Warhammer 40K]]; they outdid the franchise that coined the term "Grimdark"! One of their worse atrocities is [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild they spent the lives]] of ''[[WeHaveReserves trillions]]'' of [[ChildSoldier child soldiers]] in a gamble to [[FinalSolution get rid of the Xeelee from their Galaxy]] and become the dominant lifeforms in the entire Universe.]] They are so [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] they have exterminated many aliens for getting in their way and reduced those who surrendered to a [[FateWorseThanDeath fate worse then death]]. They commit countless atrocities not because of GodzillaThreshold or DirtyBusiness, they commit them [[spoiler: just so [[SoreLoser they can fill the wound made in their shattered egos made during the occupation from the Qax]].]] They are hypocrites and liars who turned the societies under their rule into a totalitarian CrapsackWorld to [[spoiler: make their [[ThePowerOfHate people suffer and channel their suffering and hate]] towards the [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Xeelee, who are trying to save them from the Photino Birds]].]] When the Coalition finally [[spoiler: drove the Xeelee out of the Milky Way]], [[spoiler: [[EvilVsEvil they immediately fell into civil war]] before [[HistoryRepeats being unified by another tyrannical regime]] which also quickly collapsed]].

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* The Interim Coalition of Governance (the ruling government of humanity) from ''Literature/XeeleeSequence'' is this UpToEleven. They have a level of DarkerAndEdgier that could give 1984 a run for its money and surpasses [[TabletopGames/Warhammer40K Warhammer 40K]]; they outdid the franchise that coined inspired the term "Grimdark"! One of their worse atrocities is [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild they spent the lives]] of ''[[WeHaveReserves trillions]]'' of [[ChildSoldier child soldiers]] in a gamble to [[FinalSolution get rid of the Xeelee from their Galaxy]] and become the dominant lifeforms in the entire Universe.]] They are so [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] they have exterminated many aliens for getting in their way and reduced those who surrendered to a [[FateWorseThanDeath fate worse then death]]. They commit countless atrocities not because of GodzillaThreshold or DirtyBusiness, they commit them [[spoiler: just so [[SoreLoser they can fill the wound made in their shattered egos made during the occupation from the Qax]].]] They are hypocrites and liars who turned the societies under their rule into a totalitarian CrapsackWorld to [[spoiler: make their [[ThePowerOfHate people suffer and channel their suffering and hate]] towards the [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Xeelee, who are trying to save them from the Photino Birds]].]] When the Coalition finally [[spoiler: drove the Xeelee out of the Milky Way]], [[spoiler: [[EvilVsEvil they immediately fell into civil war]] before [[HistoryRepeats being unified by another tyrannical regime]] which also quickly collapsed]].
23rd May '17 4:55:46 AM SkidTroper
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* The Interim Coalition of Governance from [[Literature/XeeleeSequence Xeelee Sequence]] is this UpToEleven. They have a level of DarkierAndEdgier that could give 1984 a run for its money and surpasses [[TabletopGames/Warhammer40K Warhammer 40K]]; they outdid the franchise that coined the term "Grimdark"! One of their worse atrocities is [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild they spent the lives]] of [[WeHaveReserves ''trillions'']] of [[ChildSoldier child soliders]] all in a gamble to [[FinalSolution get rid of the Xeelee from their Galaxy]] and become the dominant lifeforms in the entire Universe.]] They are so [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] they have exterminated many aliens for getting in their way and reduced those who surrendered to a [[FateWorseThanDeath fate worse then death]]. They commit countless atrocities not because of GodzillaThreshold or DirtyBusiness, they commit them [[spoiler: just so [[SoreLoser they can fill the wound from their shattered egos during the occupation from the Qax]].]] They are hypocrites and liars who turned the societies under their rule into a totalitarian CrapsackWorld to [[spoiler: make their [[ThePowerOfHate people suffer and channel their suffering and hate]] towards the [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Xeelee, who are trying to save them from the Photino Birds]].]] When the ICoG finally drove the Xeelee out of the Milky Way, [[spoiler: [[EvilVsEvil they immediately fell into civil war]] before [[HistoryRepeats being unified by another tyrannical regime]] which also quickly collapsed]].

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* The Interim Coalition of Governance from [[Literature/XeeleeSequence Xeelee Sequence]] ''Literature/XeeleeSequence'' is this UpToEleven. UpToEleven. They have a level of DarkierAndEdgier DarkerAndEdgier that could give 1984 a run for its money and surpasses [[TabletopGames/Warhammer40K Warhammer 40K]]; they outdid the franchise that coined the term "Grimdark"! One of their worse atrocities is [[spoiler: [[WouldHurtAChild they spent the lives]] of [[WeHaveReserves ''trillions'']] ''[[WeHaveReserves trillions]]'' of [[ChildSoldier child soliders]] all soldiers]] in a gamble to [[FinalSolution get rid of the Xeelee from their Galaxy]] and become the dominant lifeforms in the entire Universe.]] They are so [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] they have exterminated many aliens for getting in their way and reduced those who surrendered to a [[FateWorseThanDeath fate worse then death]]. They commit countless atrocities not because of GodzillaThreshold or DirtyBusiness, they commit them [[spoiler: just so [[SoreLoser they can fill the wound from made in their shattered egos made during the occupation from the Qax]].]] ]] They are hypocrites and liars who turned the societies under their rule into a totalitarian CrapsackWorld to [[spoiler: make their [[ThePowerOfHate people suffer and channel their suffering and hate]] towards the [[TheFarmerAndTheViper Xeelee, who are trying to save them from the Photino Birds]].]] When the ICoG Coalition finally [[spoiler: drove the Xeelee out of the Milky Way, Way]], [[spoiler: [[EvilVsEvil they immediately fell into civil war]] before [[HistoryRepeats being unified by another tyrannical regime]] which also quickly collapsed]].
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