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19th Nov '16 11:18:35 AM KingClark
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** The fandom's preferred "good guys" are the idealistic Tau (collectivist imperialist aliens often accused of brainwashing by fans and Imperial humans alike) and the arrogant Eldar (who will gladly kill a million Humans today to save one Eldar a century from now). All the other races are much, much worse: the daemonic legions of Chaos are largely psychotic, the Tyranids want to eat the galaxy, the soulless Necrons want to end the existence of souls, the battle-loving Orks go on jihads for ''fun'', and Dark Eldar ''literally'' get off on inflicting and receiving pain. Essentially, no matter how insanely vicious the Imperium gets, you'd still cheer them on. These are people who use other people for machinery, commit genocide and human sacrifice, and just generally run a totalitarian police state in which you can be killed for thought crimes. They have a branch of the government AND whole sections of planets devoted entirely to torture (church worlds-dungeon section). It is best not to read this series if you get easily depressed.

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** The fandom's preferred "good guys" are the idealistic Tau (collectivist imperialist aliens often accused of brainwashing by fans and Imperial humans alike) and the arrogant Eldar (who will gladly kill a million Humans today to save one Eldar a century from now). All the other races are much, much worse: the daemonic legions of Chaos are largely psychotic, the Tyranids want to eat the galaxy, the soulless Necrons want to end the existence of souls, the battle-loving Orks go on jihads the war path for ''fun'', and Dark Eldar ''literally'' get off on inflicting and receiving pain. Essentially, no matter how insanely vicious the Imperium gets, you'd still cheer them on. These are people who use other people for machinery, commit genocide and human sacrifice, and just generally run a totalitarian police state in which you can be killed for thought crimes. They have a branch of the government AND whole sections of planets devoted entirely to torture (church worlds-dungeon section). It is best not to read this series if you get easily depressed.
19th Nov '16 11:17:23 AM KingClark
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* [[TheEmpire The Imperium of Man]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is a xenocidal, fanatical, corrupt, racist, mass-murdering apparatus. However, in the context of the setting, it's [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justified and thus avoid the complete monster label]] because [[AliensAreBastards pretty much every other species is just as bad]], if not ''worse'', and without the Imperium's harsh rule mankind would be doomed to slavery, extinction, or [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]].

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* [[TheEmpire The Imperium of Man]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is a xenocidal, fanatical, corrupt, racist, mass-murdering apparatus. However, in the context of the setting, it's [[IDidWhatIHadToDo justified and thus avoid the complete monster label]] because [[AliensAreBastards pretty much every other species is just as bad]], if not ''worse'', and without the Imperium's harsh rule mankind would be doomed to slavery, extinction, or [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]].
19th Nov '16 11:15:27 AM KingClark
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** [[DisproportionateRetribution "After time we grew strong, they gave us cognitive powers/ They made us work far too long at unreasonable hours!"]]

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** [[DisproportionateRetribution "After time we grew strong, they gave us cognitive powers/ They powers/They made us work far too long at unreasonable hours!"]]
19th Nov '16 11:14:20 AM KingClark
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* Handled...interestingly in Franchise/ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. The Mobius equivalent of humans, Overlanders, were portrayed as violent thugs, [[GreenAesop more interested in conquering and destroying nature than living with it like the Mobians]]. They also waged a global war against the Mobians...which they lost. [[spoiler: Inverted in that it was a ''Mobian'' conspiracy that started the Great War. Most of the race was destroyed right after Robotnik, ([[EvenEvilHasStandards who even the Overlanders viewed as a monster]]), took over.]] [[spoiler: Later we learn that Mobius was created when humans captured, killed and dissected alien emissaries. The aliens reacted poorly to this and proceeded to use a weapon to wipe out/mutate all life on Earth.]] Ever since the ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' adaptation, Overlanders/humans have been shown in a better light.

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* Handled...interestingly in Franchise/ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. The Mobius equivalent of humans, Overlanders, were portrayed as violent thugs, [[GreenAesop more interested in conquering and destroying nature than living with it like the Mobians]]. They also waged a global war against the Mobians...which they lost. [[spoiler: Inverted in that it was a ''Mobian'' conspiracy that started the Great War. Most of the race was destroyed right after Robotnik, ([[EvenEvilHasStandards who even the Overlanders viewed as a monster]]), took over.]] [[spoiler: Later Later, we learn that Mobius was created when humans captured, killed and dissected alien emissaries. The aliens reacted poorly to this and proceeded to use a weapon to wipe out/mutate all life on Earth.]] Earth]]. Ever since the ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' adaptation, Overlanders/humans have been shown in a better light.
15th Nov '16 3:08:16 PM SpinAttaxx
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* ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'' When Lake Valor [[spoiler: blows up]], most of the Pokémon in the surrounding areas adopt this attitude as a result. When Pearl tries to catch a pissed Buizel and unsuccessfully pleads to it that he wants to stop the ones responsible, Crasher Wake points out that the wild Pokémon don't understand anything that's going on beyond the fact that they know that humans were responsible for disrupting their natural habitat.
** Episode 19 of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' has a group of Tentacool and (one of them evolves after Team Rocket tried to capture them), that attacked the humans because Obaba (not to be confused with the one from the episode before this one) wanted to build a hotel resort on their nest. However, Misty, with the help of a Horsea, manage to convince them that not all humans are bad people.

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* ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'' ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'': When Lake Valor [[spoiler: blows up]], most of the Pokémon in the surrounding areas adopt this attitude as a result. When Pearl tries to catch a pissed Buizel and unsuccessfully pleads to it that he wants to stop the ones responsible, Crasher Wake points out that the wild Pokémon don't understand anything that's going on beyond the fact that they know that humans were responsible for disrupting their natural habitat.
* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'':
** Episode 19 Though several Pokémon have human-like intellect, the series routinely drives in the notion that no Pokémon is truly evil ([[MyMasterRightOrWrong with villains' Pokémon merely serving their Trainers]]), and even Pokémon who are bad without masters often undergo a HeelFaceTurn and/or are portrayed sympathetically. By contrast, the series and movies have had several human villains who are evil of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' their own accord and are shown without a shred of sympathy, thus one is left with the impression that, even if the majority of them are just fine, humans are apparantly the only beings in the ''Pokémon'' universe capable of being truly evil.
** The nineteenth episode of the original series
has a group of Tentacool and (one of them evolves after Team Rocket tried to capture them), that attacked the humans because Obaba (not to be confused with the one from the episode before this one) wanted to build a hotel resort on their nest. However, Misty, with the help of a Horsea, manage to convince them that not all humans are bad people.
6th Nov '16 7:50:20 PM Rockinghood
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* The humans in ''Roleplay/RedRover'' are oftentimes worse than the monsters... and the monsters used to be people.
24th Oct '16 6:57:07 AM SuperSonicHeroes
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* ''ComicBook/TheWalkingDead'' has shown that while the apocalypse might have been caused by the zombies, the living people are the ones you really need to fear in the new world. While the dead are predictable and dumb, the living can be even more dangerous because you never know for sure who is good and who is bad or what they will do next. Even the main characters have done morally questionable acts and have at times crossed a line that they thought they would never go over for the sake of their survival.
2nd Oct '16 9:21:44 PM mlsmithca
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* ''InuYasha'' plays not quite this trope, but is still in its realm Tung. Because there half-demons are both despised by the demons, as also shunned by the humans. Even if there are good demons and good humans who treat a half-demon well, so these are rather exceptions. While demons often attacking half-demons in the intention of killing them, the humans mostly do not (probably because they know that they are to weak, to defeat an half-demon). But Jinenji and Shiori were from the other villagers while many demons are often attaced. But demons are often evil, especially the "lesser demons" that look like giant insects and worms are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil always nasty]], humans should actually behave morally.
** In the film ''InuYashaTheMovieFireOnTheMysticIsland'' one learns from an island where benign humans and benign demons have lived together, and had a lot of half-demons as offspring. They have the island shielded by a magical barrier from the outside world, because they knew that their children would be discriminated against both by demons and by humans.

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* ''InuYasha'' plays not quite this trope, but is still in its realm Tung. Because there half-demons are both despised by the demons, as also shunned by the humans. Even if there are good demons and good humans who treat a half-demon well, so these are rather exceptions. While demons often attacking half-demons in the intention of killing them, the humans mostly do not (probably because they know that they are to weak, to defeat an half-demon). But Jinenji and Shiori were from the other villagers while many demons are often attaced. But demons are often evil, especially the "lesser demons" that look like giant insects and worms are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil always nasty]], humans should actually behave morally.
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In the film ''InuYashaTheMovieFireOnTheMysticIsland'' one learns from ''Anime/InuYashaTheMovieFireOnTheMysticIsland'' there is an island where benign humans and benign demons have lived together, and had a lot of half-demons as offspring. They have the island shielded by a magical barrier from the outside world, because they knew that their children would be discriminated against both by demons and by humans.
26th Sep '16 8:48:44 PM spiritsunami
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* ''ElGoonishShive'' isn't so much "''Humans'' are the Real Monsters" as "''{{Muggles}}'' are the Real Monsters." [[spoiler:Pandora justifies her attempts to break TheMasquerade and expose magic to the world by pointing out that whereas in the past, magic needed to be controlled because an army powered by magic would decimate one with naught more than swords and arrows, now any random fool with a gun can best a wizard--and humans have far deadlier implements than mere guns, such as [=ICBMs=].]]
24th Sep '16 7:33:58 AM Morgenthaler
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** However, this trope is played extremely straight by [[EnforcedTrope editorial edict]] when dealing with most real-world historical events of the past century, doubly so when that event is the Holocaust. ''Charnel Houses of Europe'', a ''WraithTheOblivion'' supplement, completely denied that supernatural powers had any part in causing the Holocaust in the [=WoD=], that it really was the product of Nazi racial supremacist theory and genocidal impulse. (Supernaturals did take advantage of the Holocaust, but the responsibility for it rests entirely with the humans who did it.)

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** However, this trope is played extremely straight by [[EnforcedTrope editorial edict]] when dealing with most real-world historical events of the past century, doubly so when that event is the Holocaust. ''Charnel Houses of Europe'', a ''WraithTheOblivion'' ''TabletopGame/WraithTheOblivion'' supplement, completely denied that supernatural powers had any part in causing the Holocaust in the [=WoD=], that it really was the product of Nazi racial supremacist theory and genocidal impulse. (Supernaturals did take advantage of the Holocaust, but the responsibility for it rests entirely with the humans who did it.)
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