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30th Jan '16 10:40:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* BurningWheel has a wound meter, but rather than filling up with damage, you just mark each hit under how much incapacitation it inflicts. It's actually very difficult to land a killing blow; most combat ends when one fighter's will breaks and he flees or surrenders, but between strong-willed fighters, they can keep going until one is so penalized by wounds that he can't move.

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* BurningWheel ''TabletopGame/BurningWheel'' has a wound meter, but rather than filling up with damage, you just mark each hit under how much incapacitation it inflicts. It's actually very difficult to land a killing blow; most combat ends when one fighter's will breaks and he flees or surrenders, but between strong-willed fighters, they can keep going until one is so penalized by wounds that he can't move.
25th Jan '16 10:58:06 AM TimG5
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* Unlike the game series it's based on, the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, is generally able to avoid CriticalExistenceFailure as it has more freedom to visibly depict a Pokemon's condition as a battle goes on. This combined with the relative fast pace of most battles allows the anime to avert this trope usually. But there are still many occasions where battles drag out with none of the combatants appearing to be close to fainting despite getting hit with multiple attacks, even powerful or super-effective ones that should lead to K.O. It can get so bad that sometimes, one Pokemon can land many strong moves that are clearly damaging, on the opponent without K.O'ing them yet get hit by one and be down for the count. It's especially common in knockout battles involving more than 1 Pokemon or battles between super strong trainers and Pokemon. And it's all but guaranteed to kick in during scuffles between [[OlympusMons Legendary Pokemon]].
25th Jan '16 10:36:08 AM TimG5
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* The [[{{Spinoff}} spinoff]] series, ''OneMinuteMelee'' is an arguably worse offender. The series is largely aimed at those who [[JustHereForGodzilla watch Death Battle only for the fights]], and thus features '''[[MemeticMutation NO RESEARCH]]''' with the outcomes boiling down to AuthorAppeal. Because of this, most fights end being an exchange of intense {{No Holds Barred Beatdown}}s with both sides exchanging the AdvantageBall until the winner lands the finishing blow at the minute mark.
7th Jan '16 9:59:54 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheSpectacularSpiderMan'''s fights, while indeed fitting the "spectacular" label, tend to fall into this - Spidey will get thrashed around for most of the battle, and only finally start to visibly slow down when it's time for the climax.

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* ''TheSpectacularSpiderMan'''s ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'''s fights, while indeed fitting the "spectacular" label, tend to fall into this - Spidey will get thrashed around for most of the battle, and only finally start to visibly slow down when it's time for the climax.
29th Dec '15 8:59:54 PM Angeldeb82
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When two supercharged beings hit each other with enough force to shatter a brick wall, but can take it because they are NighInvulnerable, we have no way of knowing if the blow was significant or not. The character may reel, but after a moment he's back in the fight as if it had never happened. This is easy to accept at first, but if the fight goes on too long, you start getting lost, and the end of the fight becomes somewhat anti-climactic, since -- unless the writer finds an elegant way to make the fight's conclusion clearly decisive -- it's just an exchange of blows until one of them randomly [[CriticalExistenceFailure takes a blow seemingly no different than any other and collapses.]] This can be especially damaging to the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief when the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil is in play: you never get to ''personally'' witness the [[InformedAbility assured growth in potency]] of the heroes and villains alike.

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When two supercharged beings hit each other with enough force to shatter a brick wall, but can take it because they are NighInvulnerable, {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le, we have no way of knowing if the blow was significant or not. The character may reel, but after a moment he's back in the fight as if it had never happened. This is easy to accept at first, but if the fight goes on too long, you start getting lost, and the end of the fight becomes somewhat anti-climactic, since -- unless the writer finds an elegant way to make the fight's conclusion clearly decisive -- it's just an exchange of blows until one of them randomly [[CriticalExistenceFailure takes a blow seemingly no different than any other and collapses.]] This can be especially damaging to the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief when the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil is in play: you never get to ''personally'' witness the [[InformedAbility assured growth in potency]] of the heroes and villains alike.



The visual interpretation of combat in most VideoGames follows this trope to a T. In many, characters literally show no signs of weakening (with perhaps the exception of a weakened pose when they drop to a certain number of HitPoints) but this rarely causes any decrease in power. Until you suffer a CriticalExistenceFailure, you're just as effective as you ever were. This is [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality acceptable]] in video games because it allows for a lot of combat in the game without having the hero party mend their wounds for a week after each fight, lest they become increasingly ineffective against a large supply of monsters that are only ever encountered with full hit points. Plus video games usually have a visible health bar so you know what attacks are doing the most damage and how much more the hero can take.

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The visual interpretation of combat in most VideoGames follows this trope to a T. In many, characters literally show no signs of weakening (with perhaps the exception of a weakened pose when they drop to a certain number of HitPoints) but this rarely causes any decrease in power. Until you suffer a CriticalExistenceFailure, you're just as effective as you ever were. This is [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality acceptable]] {{acceptable|BreaksFromReality}} in video games because it allows for a lot of combat in the game without having the hero party mend their wounds for a week after each fight, lest they become increasingly ineffective against a large supply of monsters that are only ever encountered with full hit points. Plus video games usually have a visible health bar so you know what attacks are doing the most damage and how much more the hero can take.



* Nearly all fights in ''{{Dragonball}} Z'' from Frieza on. ''Dragonball'' itself generally ended the fights shortly before it got to this level.
** The fight at the end of the Saiyan saga actually showed what Goku and Vegeta's limits were; getting stepped or landed on by a 50 tall ape is apperently too much.

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* Nearly all fights in ''{{Dragonball}} Z'' ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' from Frieza on. ''Dragonball'' ''Dragon Ball'' itself generally ended the fights shortly before it got to this level.
** The fight at the end of the Saiyan saga actually showed what Goku and Vegeta's limits were; getting stepped or landed on by a 50 tall ape is apperently apparently too much.



** Saiyans in general seem to have very durable bodies. Goku had all his limbs broken or disabled and was still able to beat King Piccolo and Piccolo. He also got beaten so badly by King Piccolo that his heart stopped and restarted on its own. He got hit multiple times in pressure points and got up after a few seconds with only minor pain. When Goku and Raditz were hit by Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon it took Goku several minutes to die despite having a giant hole in his chest. Piccolo had to crush Raditz's head in to kill him quickly since hole or no hole he was still able to talk and brag. Goku got plummet to a pulp by Frieza for several episodes and still had the endurance to become Super Saiyan without fainting, something that is supposed to be highly exhausting the first time. Not to mention, Gohan got his ''freaking'' neck broken and was still alive.

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** Saiyans in general seem to have very durable bodies. Goku had all his limbs broken or disabled and was still able to beat King Piccolo and Piccolo. He also got beaten so badly by King Piccolo that his heart stopped and restarted on its own. He got hit multiple times in pressure points and got up after a few seconds with only minor pain. When Goku and Raditz were hit by Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon it took Goku several minutes to die despite having a giant hole in his chest. chest (or [[{{Bowdlerise}} a giant burn mark]] in the ''Kai'' version). Piccolo had to crush Raditz's head in to kill him quickly since since, hole or no hole hole, he was still able to talk and brag. Goku got plummet to a pulp by Frieza for several episodes and still had the endurance to become Super Saiyan without fainting, something that is supposed to be highly exhausting the first time. Not to mention, Gohan got his ''freaking'' neck broken and was still alive.



* ''{{Naruto}}'' normally does a decent job of avoiding this since most characters focus more on avoiding hits than taking them and even the strongest enemy can't just sit there and take things like knives without flinching, but several fights stand out, particularly the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke right before the {{filler}}. It's pretty much a fight to see who can get up more times from a rock-shattering blow.

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* ''{{Naruto}}'' ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' normally does a decent job of avoiding this since most characters focus more on avoiding hits than taking them and even the strongest enemy can't just sit there and take things like knives without flinching, but several fights stand out, particularly the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke right before the {{filler}}. It's pretty much a fight to see who can get up more times from a rock-shattering blow.



* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'', the battle between Sanosuke and Monk Anji has the two trading Futai no Kiwami blows, each supposed to be able to pulverize rocks into dust. The final blow? Sano develops the succession move to the Futai no Kiwami on the spot. Kenshin [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} acknowledges]] that neither fighter should be on their feet and that it is their will and not their bodies keeping them up, and after Sano wins the fight, he is the one in need of medical attention and is out of commission for some time because the repeated blows almost killed him.

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* ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'', the battle between Sanosuke and Monk Anji has the two trading Futai no Kiwami blows, each supposed to be able to pulverize rocks into dust. The final blow? Sano develops the succession move to the Futai no Kiwami on the spot. Kenshin [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} [[LampshadeHanging acknowledges]] that neither fighter should be on their feet and that it is their will and not their bodies keeping them up, and after Sano wins the fight, he is the one in need of medical attention and is out of commission for some time because the repeated blows almost killed him.



* Pretty much the only way to tell if a blow is a 'finishing' one in the ''OnePiece'' manga if it is a two-page spread that shows the person actively getting pummeled. People may still get up after this, but you know those moves meant something. The most severe example of this would have to be the fight between Luffy and Rob Lucci; by the end, Luffy was unable to even move and Lucci was in a coma.

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* Pretty much the only way to tell if a blow is a 'finishing' one in the ''OnePiece'' ''Manga/OnePiece'' manga if it is a two-page spread that shows the person actively getting pummeled. People may still get up after this, but you know those moves meant something. The most severe example of this would have to be the fight between Luffy and Rob Lucci; by the end, Luffy was unable to even move and Lucci was in a coma.



* In ''YuYuHakusho'', Yusuke and Chu have one. This is after spending all their spirit energy on various attacks and utterly pulverizing each other with energy attacks and such, and they can't even use their spirit attacks anymore. There's also a catch: Not only can they not move at all or they agree to forfeit, but their back heel is resting against a knife, and if one of the fighters ''did'' step back, the other would take the knife that was now between them and stab him with it. Every hit that they each take knocks their foot into the knife, causing immense pain. Eventually [[spoiler: Yusuke wins after Chu tries to finish him with a mammoth headbutt. Yusuke intentionally just takes the attack and Chu is knocked out.]]

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* In ''YuYuHakusho'', ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'', Yusuke and Chu have one. This is after spending all their spirit energy on various attacks and utterly pulverizing each other with energy attacks and such, and they can't even use their spirit attacks anymore. There's also a catch: Not only can they not move at all or they agree to forfeit, but their back heel is resting against a knife, and if one of the fighters ''did'' step back, the other would take the knife that was now between them and stab him with it. Every hit that they each take knocks their foot into the knife, causing immense pain. Eventually [[spoiler: Yusuke wins after Chu tries to finish him with a mammoth headbutt. Yusuke intentionally just takes the attack and Chu is knocked out.]]out]].



* The Dio Brando-versus-Joutarou Kujou Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny in ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' part 3 is perhaps one of the most overlooked examples (WRYYYYYYYY and the steamroller eclipse it, but are aspects of it). The sequence danced gleefully into this territory (STEAMROLLER) and never left until the battle was over. Not only do you get Jojo and Dio trying to out-beatdown one another, you get then trying to outsmart, and eventually [[spoiler:out-TIMESTOP one another, culminating in a simultaneous-punches-connect-simultaneously that holds off the conclusion JUST LONG ENOUGH...]]
* Happens between Shirou and [[spoiler:Kotomine Kirei]] in the finale of the Heaven's Feel route of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', while both of them are virtually dead, nonetheless - [[spoiler:Kirei's heart was destroyed by Sakura ''two days'' ago,]] and Shirou [[spoiler:is all but overtaken/corrupted by Archer's arm, which is quite literally ''turning his body into swords'' because he used its projection capacities]]. The fight is basically two walking corpses brutally beating each other to death. [[spoiler:Shirou wins, but only because Kirei's time runs out first, just as he's about to kill him. Shirou ([[MultipleEndings possibly]]) follows suit under a minute later, though, and the TearJerker ending [[KilledOffForReal expands on this concept...]]]]
** And a route before that in Unlimited Blade Works, we have Shirou vs. [[spoiler: Archer.]] Outclassed in skill and power, has a broken arm, a broken leg, shattered fingers, is bleeding profusely, and is much to his opponent's surprise, ''still able to parry and attack''.
* Don't even try guessing who is winning on ''{{Hellsing}}''. Even if someone has been decapitated, shot in the head, impaled a bajillion times and stuck to the wall, they've still got it under control. The fact that everyone in the series has FromASingleCell regeneration and are NighInvulnerable to boot makes it difficult, but there is a rule of thumb- has Alucard done something so far beyond badass it comes out the other side and ends up being silly yet? He's probably losing. But he'll win in the end.

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* The Dio Brando-versus-Joutarou Kujou Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny in ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' part 3 is perhaps one of the most overlooked examples (WRYYYYYYYY and the steamroller eclipse it, but are aspects of it). The sequence danced gleefully into this territory (STEAMROLLER) and never left until the battle was over. Not only do you get Jojo and Dio trying to out-beatdown one another, you get then trying to outsmart, and eventually [[spoiler:out-TIMESTOP one another, culminating in a simultaneous-punches-connect-simultaneously that holds off the conclusion JUST LONG ENOUGH...]]
ENOUGH]]...
* Happens between Shirou and [[spoiler:Kotomine Kirei]] in the finale of the Heaven's Feel route of ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', while both of them are virtually dead, nonetheless - [[spoiler:Kirei's heart was destroyed by Sakura ''two days'' ago,]] and Shirou [[spoiler:is all but overtaken/corrupted by Archer's arm, which is quite literally ''turning his body into swords'' because he used its projection capacities]]. The fight is basically two walking corpses brutally beating each other to death. [[spoiler:Shirou wins, but only because Kirei's time runs out first, just as he's about to kill him. Shirou ([[MultipleEndings possibly]]) follows suit under a minute later, though, and the TearJerker ending [[KilledOffForReal expands on this concept...]]]]
concept]]...]]
** And a route before that in Unlimited Blade Works, we have Shirou vs. [[spoiler: Archer.]] Archer]]. Outclassed in skill and power, has a broken arm, a broken leg, shattered fingers, is bleeding profusely, and is much to his opponent's surprise, ''still able to parry and attack''.
* Don't even try guessing who is winning on ''{{Hellsing}}''.''Manga/{{Hellsing}}''. Even if someone has been decapitated, shot in the head, impaled a bajillion times and stuck to the wall, they've still got it under control. The fact that everyone in the series has FromASingleCell regeneration and are NighInvulnerable {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le to boot makes it difficult, but there is a rule of thumb- has Alucard done something so far beyond badass it comes out the other side and ends up being silly yet? He's probably losing. But he'll win in the end.



* ''MahouSenseiNegima'' normally made sure to emphasize the character's mortality during combat (such as things like sharpened stone spears being fatal like they should be). Then the match between Negi & Kotaro against Kagetaro & Rakan came about and threw all that out the window.
** The match started with [[spoiler:Rakan being pummeled by [[FullContactMagic magically-enforced]] punches moving at [[SuperSpeed over lightning speed]], being driven into the ground with a concentrated blast of [[BlowYouAway tropical squall-level winds]], then culminating in being at the center of an explosion of [[ShockAndAwe lightning]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill with enough heat to vapourize small mountains]]. [[TheJuggernaut He got back up]]. Then proceeded to beat the person who did it to him with punches of enough strength to kill high-level dragons and shatter large sections of earth. (Supposedly, by this point, his organs should've been turned to mush; HighPressureBlood [[BloodFromTheMouth From The Mouth]] was in order). On Kotaro's end, he was stabbed through his arms, legs, and torso, then later got slashed at several key points on his body by a a lot of {{BFS}}s, ultimately being impaled through his back-to-chest with a sword larger than his head. His answer? Really good HealingFactor. The person who stabbed him? Got pinned to a wall with AntiMagic {{BFS}}s]].

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* ''MahouSenseiNegima'' ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' normally made sure to emphasize the character's mortality during combat (such as things like sharpened stone spears being fatal like they should be). Then the match between Negi & Kotaro against Kagetaro & Rakan came about and threw all that out the window.
** The match started with [[spoiler:Rakan being pummeled by [[FullContactMagic magically-enforced]] punches moving at [[SuperSpeed over lightning speed]], being driven into the ground with a concentrated blast of [[BlowYouAway tropical squall-level winds]], then culminating in being at the center of an explosion of [[ShockAndAwe lightning]] [[NoKillLikeOverkill [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill with enough heat to vapourize small mountains]]. [[TheJuggernaut He got back up]]. up.]] Then proceeded to beat the person who did it to him with punches of enough strength to kill high-level dragons and shatter large sections of earth. (Supposedly, by this point, his organs should've been turned to mush; HighPressureBlood [[BloodFromTheMouth From The from the Mouth]] was in order). On Kotaro's end, he was stabbed through his arms, legs, and torso, then later got slashed at several key points on his body by a a lot of {{BFS}}s, ultimately being impaled through his back-to-chest with a sword larger than his head. His answer? Really good HealingFactor. The person who stabbed him? Got pinned to a wall with AntiMagic {{BFS}}s]].



* Pretty much every one of [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]]'s major opponents is astounded by his ridiculous ability to get up time after time.

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* Pretty much every one of [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]]'s {{Kenichi|TheMightiestDisciple}}'s major opponents is astounded by his ridiculous ability to get up time after time.



* In chapter 87 of ''{{Claymore}}'', we see a claymore who is seemingly [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] [[spoiler: Isley]] : she cuts [[spoiler: him]] with a [[BigFancySword BFS]], nearly destroy half of [[spoiler: his body]] without being injured... then we see her thought and realise that the situation is exactly the opposite, it's [[spoiler:Isley]] who is winning this battle.
-->No matter how much I sink my [[BigFancySword blades]] in [[spoiler:his]] body, no matter much I sliced [[spoiler: the bastard]] up, I don't get the slightest sense that I can defeat [[spoiler:him]]. In fact, the more I drive my blades through [[spoiler:his]] flesh, the surer I felt that [[spoiler:his]] blade will come slicing straight back at my body with still greater force.

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* In chapter 87 of ''{{Claymore}}'', we see a claymore who is seemingly [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] {{curb|StompBattle}}stomping [[spoiler: Isley]] : she cuts [[spoiler: him]] with a [[BigFancySword BFS]], {{BFS}}, nearly destroy half of [[spoiler: his body]] without being injured... then we see her thought and realise that the situation is exactly the opposite, it's [[spoiler:Isley]] who is winning this battle.
-->No matter how much I sink my [[BigFancySword blades]] {{b|igFancySword}}lades in [[spoiler:his]] body, no matter much I sliced [[spoiler: the bastard]] up, I don't get the slightest sense that I can defeat [[spoiler:him]]. In fact, the more I drive my blades through [[spoiler:his]] flesh, the surer I felt that [[spoiler:his]] blade will come slicing straight back at my body with still greater force.



* The original incarnation of the [[ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga Phoenix Saga]] had the X-Men fighting a team of Shi'ar champions as a means of TrialByCombat for Jean Grey. As [[FlyingBrick Gladiator]], the leader of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, faces off against the also invulnerable and super-strong Colossus, the narration lampshades this trope poetically; the two are described as titans, each one all but invulnerable, with blows so powerful that the match isn't decided by their combat prowess, but instead by the abandoned city collapsing around them due to the incidental structural damage they are causing. After several massive buildings fall on them both, Gladiator is just ''a little'' more invincible (probably because his powers are [[TheDeterminator psionically fueled by willpower and devotion to his cause]]) but he [[WorthyOpponent pulls the defeated Colossus out of the rubble rather than leaving him to die]].

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* The original incarnation of the [[ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga Phoenix Saga]] had the X-Men fighting a team of Shi'ar champions as a means of TrialByCombat for Jean Grey. As [[FlyingBrick Gladiator]], the leader of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, faces off against the also invulnerable and super-strong Colossus, the narration lampshades this trope poetically; the two are described as titans, each one all but invulnerable, with blows so powerful that the match isn't decided by their combat prowess, but instead by the abandoned city collapsing around them due to the incidental structural damage they are causing. After several massive buildings fall on them both, Gladiator is just ''a little'' more invincible (probably because his powers are [[TheDeterminator [[{{Determinator}} psionically fueled by willpower and devotion to his cause]]) but he [[WorthyOpponent pulls the defeated Colossus out of the rubble rather than leaving him to die]].



* Series/{{Angel}} vs. Spike in "Destiny", anyone? And for that matter, [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]] vs. Faith in "Graduation Day - Part 1". Despite this both fights end in a climatic way - [[spoiler:Spike]] beats [[spoiler:Angel]] after stabbing him on the shoulder with a stake and [[spoiler:Buffy]] beats [[spoiler:Faith]] after stabbing her in the stomach with a knife.

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* Series/{{Angel}} vs. Spike in "Destiny", anyone? And for that matter, [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]] Series/{{Buffy|TheVampireSlayer}} vs. Faith in "Graduation Day - Part 1". Despite this both fights end in a climatic way - [[spoiler:Spike]] beats [[spoiler:Angel]] after stabbing him on the shoulder with a stake and [[spoiler:Buffy]] beats [[spoiler:Faith]] after stabbing her in the stomach with a knife.



* Wrestling/{{W|orld Wrestling Federation}}WWF Champion Wrestling/BrunoSammartino retained his title against Waldo Wrestling/{{Von Erich| Family}} in an 81 minute time limit draw...psyche, that wasn't a time limit draw, that was them having to stop the show because of a curfew being put in effect!

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* Wrestling/{{W|orld Wrestling Federation}}WWF Federation}}WF Champion Wrestling/BrunoSammartino retained his title against Waldo Wrestling/{{Von Erich| Family}} in an 81 minute time limit draw...psyche, that wasn't a time limit draw, that was them having to stop the show because of a curfew being put in effect!



** Interestingly, in the [[TabletopGame/ProseDescriptiveQualities PDQ]] system this is the only way damage is tracked at all - damage is taken directly off of your skills and you lose the fight when you have none left.

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** Interestingly, in the [[TabletopGame/ProseDescriptiveQualities PDQ]] TabletopGame/{{P|roseDescriptiveQualities}}DQ system this is the only way damage is tracked at all - damage is taken directly off of your skills and you lose the fight when you have none left.



* ''{{Dissidia}}'' features leads and antagonists of most of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series duking it out with Brave attacks (that merely strengthen the attacker's next attack and weaken the opponent's) and HP ones (that actually deal damage), both featuring sharp weaponry and explosive magic. While all of the characters involved are inhumanly tough, strong and agile, there is no [[GameplayAndStorySegregation in-game explanation]] ''why'' one kind of a seemingly deadly charging slash can wound, while another just discourages the enemy.

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* ''{{Dissidia}}'' ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' features leads and antagonists of most of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series duking it out with Brave attacks (that merely strengthen the attacker's next attack and weaken the opponent's) and HP ones (that actually deal damage), both featuring sharp weaponry and explosive magic. While all of the characters involved are inhumanly tough, strong and agile, there is no [[GameplayAndStorySegregation in-game explanation]] ''why'' one kind of a seemingly deadly charging slash can wound, while another just discourages the enemy.



* From the makers of ''MortalKombat'' comes InjusticeGodsAmongUs. With DC's strongest heroes doing battle this is pretty inevitable, massive cannon's to the face, high voltage shocks, high-speed punches and rockets to the face only slow enemies down.
* In ''WorldOfWarcraft'' and other MMORPG's the [[AnAdventurerIsYou main tank]] is often required to be hit by enemies so powerful, a single blow would likely slay almost any other player. The tank is required to endure these colossal hits by the hundred and is only able to do so by being extremely powerful and the subject of his own personal battery of healing spellcasters. The result of this can be that if a healer mistimes a spell or runs out of {{mana}}, a tank can be [[CriticalExistenceFailure suddenly killed]] by an attack which previously appeared inconsequential.

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* From the makers of ''MortalKombat'' ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' comes InjusticeGodsAmongUs.VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs. With DC's strongest heroes doing battle this is pretty inevitable, massive cannon's to the face, high voltage shocks, high-speed punches and rockets to the face only slow enemies down.
* In ''WorldOfWarcraft'' ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' and other MMORPG's the [[AnAdventurerIsYou main tank]] is often required to be hit by enemies so powerful, a single blow would likely slay almost any other player. The tank is required to endure these colossal hits by the hundred and is only able to do so by being extremely powerful and the subject of his own personal battery of healing spellcasters. The result of this can be that if a healer mistimes a spell or runs out of {{mana}}, a tank can be [[CriticalExistenceFailure suddenly killed]] by an attack which previously appeared inconsequential.



* The first two episodes of ''DeathBattle'' solidly averted this trope as both combatants had a LifeMeter, making it not only quite obvious who was winning, but also why, as you could visually compare a fighter's LifeMeter before and after his/her opponent's attacks. The third episode onward dropped the [[LifeMeter life meters]] and this trope has been played straight ever since. Though there is occasional blood, fighters rarely show any visible damage (this even applies to their clothes), and more often than not take extremely powerful blows throughout the fight yet walk away at the end like nothing ever happened. Some aversions/subversions:

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* The first two episodes of ''DeathBattle'' solidly averted this trope as both combatants had a LifeMeter, making it not only quite obvious who was winning, but also why, as you could visually compare a fighter's LifeMeter before and after his/her opponent's attacks. The third episode onward dropped the [[LifeMeter life meters]] {{life meter}}s and this trope has been played straight ever since. Though there is occasional blood, fighters rarely show any visible damage (this even applies to their clothes), and more often than not take extremely powerful blows throughout the fight yet walk away at the end like nothing ever happened. Some aversions/subversions:



** In Fox McCloud vs. Bucky O'Hare, Fox loses his robotic legs to a bomb.

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** In Fox McCloud [=McCloud=] vs. Bucky O'Hare, Fox loses his robotic legs to a bomb.



* Of course, seeing as it's based off ''DragonballZ'', ''SuperMarioBrosZ'' is a big offender. The worst was probably the [=Team Mario/Axem Rangers X/Koopa Bros.=] melee. Can anyone truly say that Axem Yellow's hammer attack he performed on Sonic, should have left Sonic with no problem? That still does not stop the fights from being FREAKING AWESOME.
** Then there's Axem Red slashing the shit out of Mario with his axe (doing seemingly little damage, if any at all) while [[spoiler: both Green and Black were killed by a single axe swipe]] later. Not to mention Mecha Sonic being able to soak up a ton of attacks from various sources, yet being knocked out of his NighInvulnerable SuperMode by [[spoiler: CollisionDamage Mario and Sonic ''sharing'' '''''[[InvincibilityPowerUp Starman]]'''''.]]

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* Of course, seeing as it's based off ''DragonballZ'', ''SuperMarioBrosZ'' ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosZ'' is a big offender. The worst was probably the [=Team Mario/Axem Rangers X/Koopa Bros.=] melee. Can anyone truly say that Axem Yellow's hammer attack he performed on Sonic, should have left Sonic with no problem? That still does not stop the fights from being FREAKING AWESOME.
** Then there's Axem Red slashing the shit out of Mario with his axe (doing seemingly little damage, if any at all) while [[spoiler: both Green and Black were killed by a single axe swipe]] later. Not to mention Mecha Sonic being able to soak up a ton of attacks from various sources, yet being knocked out of his NighInvulnerable {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le SuperMode by [[spoiler: CollisionDamage Mario and Sonic ''sharing'' '''''[[InvincibilityPowerUp Starman]]'''''.]]



* Superman versus Captain Marvel in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited''. Superman eventually won by forcing Captain Marvel to [[ByThePowerOfGreyskull revert to his eight-year-old form]].
** Taken to the extreme in the GrandFinale, where the fight between Superman and Darkseid goes on for far too long, and is mostly Darkseid smacking the crap out of Superman, with several blows that look like they ''should'' be devastating - one looks like it'd break Superman's back! - but don't noticeably affect his ability to fight in any way. What makes this even crazier is that it seems like ''Batman'' - yes, ''Batman'' - tries to mix it up with Darkseid, and because of this trope, it seems like his jump-kick is about as effective as Superman. And after enduring this horrific, brutal abuse from a stronger-than-ever Darkseid for the ''entire episode'', Superman gets up, shrugs it off, comes up with the WorldOfCardboardSpeech and a CrowningMomentOfAwesome...but the comeback doesn't even last as long as it took him to ''get through'' the speech, when he's interrupted by a device that ''puts him in as much pain as is physically possible'', and ''that'' ends the fight.

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* Superman versus Captain Marvel in ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited''.''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited''. Superman eventually won by forcing Captain Marvel to [[ByThePowerOfGreyskull revert to his eight-year-old form]].
** Taken to the extreme in the GrandFinale, where the fight between Superman and Darkseid goes on for far too long, and is mostly Darkseid smacking the crap out of Superman, with several blows that look like they ''should'' be devastating - one looks like it'd break Superman's back! - but don't noticeably affect his ability to fight in any way. What makes this even crazier is that it seems like ''Batman'' - yes, ''Batman'' - tries to mix it up with Darkseid, and because of this trope, it seems like his jump-kick is about as effective as Superman. And after enduring this horrific, brutal abuse from a stronger-than-ever Darkseid for the ''entire episode'', Superman gets up, shrugs it off, comes up with the WorldOfCardboardSpeech and a CrowningMomentOfAwesome...SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome...but the comeback doesn't even last as long as it took him to ''get through'' the speech, when he's interrupted by a device that ''puts him in as much pain as is physically possible'', and ''that'' ends the fight.



** On a similar note: SupermanDoomsday. The titular characters go at it in Metropolis, [[NoHoldsBarredBeatDown relentlessly beating on each other]], though Superman seems to get the worst of it until the end.

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** On a similar note: SupermanDoomsday. WesternAnimation/SupermanDoomsday. The titular characters go at it in Metropolis, [[NoHoldsBarredBeatDown [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown relentlessly beating on each other]], though Superman seems to get the worst of it until the end.



* According to ThatOtherWiki, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrilla_in_Manila Thrilla In Manila]] fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier turned into one of these. Frazier's trainer decided to throw in the towel to keep Smokin' Joe from getting hurt even more badly than he already was, while Ali later said that this fight was the closest he'd ever come to dying. In fact, Frazier was ready to go back in completely blind and was not going to quit and got back up every single time. Ali said of him "If God ever called me to a holy war, I would want Joe Frazier by my side".

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* According to ThatOtherWiki, Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrilla_in_Manila Thrilla In Manila]] fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier turned into one of these. Frazier's trainer decided to throw in the towel to keep Smokin' Joe from getting hurt even more badly than he already was, while Ali later said that this fight was the closest he'd ever come to dying. In fact, Frazier was ready to go back in completely blind and was not going to quit and got back up every single time. Ali said of him "If God ever called me to a holy war, I would want Joe Frazier by my side".
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* Taken to new extremes with Shockwave Impact Wrestling in Sidney Ohio USA. If you think having six wrestlers involved cheapens the length of the Ultimate Iron Man Match, then consider American Kickboxer II, Dark Angel([[Wrestling/{{CMLL}} not that one]]), DJ Tom Sharp, Logan Cross, Sid Fabulous and "Lightning" Tim Lutz went for ''twelve hours straight''.

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* Taken to new extremes with Shockwave Impact Wrestling in Sidney Ohio USA. If you think having six wrestlers involved cheapens the length of the Ultimate Iron Man Match, then consider American Kickboxer II, Dark Angel([[Wrestling/{{CMLL}} Angel([[Wrestling/SarahStock not that one]]), DJ Tom Sharp, Logan Cross, Sid Fabulous and "Lightning" Tim Lutz went for ''twelve hours straight''.
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* The original incarnation of the [[XMen Phoenix Saga]] had the X-Men fighting a team of Shi'ar champions as a means of TrialByCombat for Jean Grey. As [[FlyingBrick Gladiator]], the leader of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, faces off against the also invulnerable and super-strong Colossus, the narration lampshades this trope poetically; the two are described as titans, each one all but invulnerable, with blows so powerful that the match isn't decided by their combat prowess, but instead by the abandoned city collapsing around them due to the incidental structural damage they are causing. After several massive buildings fall on them both, Gladiator is just ''a little'' more invincible (probably because his powers are [[TheDeterminator psionically fueled by willpower and devotion to his cause]]) but he [[WorthyOpponent pulls the defeated Colossus out of the rubble rather than leaving him to die]].

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* The original incarnation of the [[XMen [[ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga Phoenix Saga]] had the X-Men fighting a team of Shi'ar champions as a means of TrialByCombat for Jean Grey. As [[FlyingBrick Gladiator]], the leader of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, faces off against the also invulnerable and super-strong Colossus, the narration lampshades this trope poetically; the two are described as titans, each one all but invulnerable, with blows so powerful that the match isn't decided by their combat prowess, but instead by the abandoned city collapsing around them due to the incidental structural damage they are causing. After several massive buildings fall on them both, Gladiator is just ''a little'' more invincible (probably because his powers are [[TheDeterminator psionically fueled by willpower and devotion to his cause]]) but he [[WorthyOpponent pulls the defeated Colossus out of the rubble rather than leaving him to die]].
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* A beatdown of this sort happens between the two Rival Protagonists in [[spoiler:the last few minutes of the final episode of]] the anime ''{{Scryed}}. '' It winds up being far more brutal than anything the villains ever put them through, -- almost offputtingly so.

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* A beatdown of this sort happens between the two Rival Protagonists in [[spoiler:the last few minutes of the final episode of]] the anime ''{{Scryed}}.''Anime/{{Scryed}}. '' It winds up being far more brutal than anything the villains ever put them through, -- almost offputtingly so.
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* ''RurouniKenshin'', the battle between Sanosuke and Monk Anji has the two trading Futai no Kiwami blows, each supposed to be able to pulverize rocks into dust. The final blow? Sano develops the succession move to the Futai no Kiwami on the spot. Kenshin [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} acknowledges]] that neither fighter should be on their feet and that it is their will and not their bodies keeping them up, and after Sano wins the fight, he is the one in need of medical attention and is out of commission for some time because the repeated blows almost killed him.

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* ''RurouniKenshin'', ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'', the battle between Sanosuke and Monk Anji has the two trading Futai no Kiwami blows, each supposed to be able to pulverize rocks into dust. The final blow? Sano develops the succession move to the Futai no Kiwami on the spot. Kenshin [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} acknowledges]] that neither fighter should be on their feet and that it is their will and not their bodies keeping them up, and after Sano wins the fight, he is the one in need of medical attention and is out of commission for some time because the repeated blows almost killed him.
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* In ''ThePrinceOfTennis'', Kabaji and Kawamura's match in the Hyoutei arc is literally like this. [[spoiler: And it WAS a part of Kawamura's BatmanGambit, who since the beginning wanted to [[TakingYouWithMe force Kabaji into a draw]].]] To some degree, also Kawamura's match against Gin Ishida. [[spoiler: And it worked too... but pretty much by fluke.]]

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* In ''ThePrinceOfTennis'', ''Manga/ThePrinceOfTennis'', Kabaji and Kawamura's match in the Hyoutei arc is literally like this. [[spoiler: And it WAS a part of Kawamura's BatmanGambit, who since the beginning wanted to [[TakingYouWithMe force Kabaji into a draw]].]] To some degree, also Kawamura's match against Gin Ishida. [[spoiler: And it worked too... but pretty much by fluke.]]
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