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28th Aug '16 9:31:20 AM MsChibi
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In some societies, a [[AlwaysFemale woman's]] sexual reputation is a very important thing. As she is [[NatureAdoresAVirgin expected to be a virgin]] on her wedding night, having sex before marriage (especially with a man other than the one she marries) is just about the most scandalous thing she can do. Not only will she have to suffer the disapproval of those around her, but it will [[DefiledForever seriously lower her chance of getting an offer of marriage in the future.]] She might even be at risk of being [[HonorRelatedAbuse harmed or killed by her family or society]]. If she already has a fiancé, he would be considered [[MyGirlIsNotASlut justified in breaking off the engagement.]] The stigma is so bad that if a woman is [[MaliciousSlander even suspected]] of having had sex with a man, due to being alone with him for an extended length of time--typically overnight (there is no such thing as InnocentCohabitation in the mind of society)--she will still have to suffer the consequences. The only thing that can avert this is for her to get married as quickly as possible.

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In some societies, a [[AlwaysFemale woman's]] sexual reputation is a very important thing. As she is [[NatureAdoresAVirgin expected to be a virgin]] on her wedding night, having sex before marriage (especially with a man other than the one she marries) is just about the most scandalous thing she can do. Not only will she have to suffer the disapproval of those around her, but it will [[DefiledForever seriously lower her chance of getting an offer of marriage in the future.]] In settings where women are economically dependent on their husbands and may not be educated, this could all but condemn her to a life as a beggar or [[TheOldestProfession a prostitute]]. She might even be at risk of being [[HonorRelatedAbuse harmed or killed by her family or society]]. If she already has a fiancé, he would be considered [[MyGirlIsNotASlut justified in breaking off the engagement.]] The stigma is so bad that if a woman is [[MaliciousSlander even suspected]] of having had sex with a man, due to being alone with him for an extended length of time--typically overnight (there is no such thing as InnocentCohabitation in the mind of society)--she will still have to suffer the consequences. The only thing that can avert this is for her to get married as quickly as possible.
27th Aug '16 4:18:25 PM MsChibi
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In some societies, a [[AlwaysFemale woman's]] sexual reputation is a very important thing. As she is [[NatureAdoresAVirgin expected to be a virgin]] on her wedding night, having sex before marriage (especially with a man other than the one she marries) is just about the most scandalous thing she can do. Not only will she have to suffer the disapproval of those around her, but it will [[DefiledForever seriously lower her chance of getting an offer of marriage in the future.]] If she already has a fiancé, he would be considered [[MyGirlIsNotASlut justified in breaking off the engagement.]] The stigma is so bad that if a woman is [[MaliciousSlander even suspected]] of having had sex with a man, due to being alone with him for an extended length of time--typically overnight (there is no such thing as InnocentCohabitation in the mind of society)--she will still have to suffer the consequences. The only thing that can avert this is for her to get married as quickly as possible.

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In some societies, a [[AlwaysFemale woman's]] sexual reputation is a very important thing. As she is [[NatureAdoresAVirgin expected to be a virgin]] on her wedding night, having sex before marriage (especially with a man other than the one she marries) is just about the most scandalous thing she can do. Not only will she have to suffer the disapproval of those around her, but it will [[DefiledForever seriously lower her chance of getting an offer of marriage in the future.]] She might even be at risk of being [[HonorRelatedAbuse harmed or killed by her family or society]]. If she already has a fiancé, he would be considered [[MyGirlIsNotASlut justified in breaking off the engagement.]] The stigma is so bad that if a woman is [[MaliciousSlander even suspected]] of having had sex with a man, due to being alone with him for an extended length of time--typically overnight (there is no such thing as InnocentCohabitation in the mind of society)--she will still have to suffer the consequences. The only thing that can avert this is for her to get married as quickly as possible.
14th May '16 1:02:27 PM cakecake
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* In one ending of ''VisualNovel/War13thDay'', Ambrosia is found in an inadvertently compromising position with Arsenik. After she is blackmailed, Arsenik proposes to her not only to keep her reputation intact but out of true affection.
-->'''Arsenik:''' Your honor would be preserved, and you would have a husband, willing to cater to your every desire. Please do not assume this is solely out of obligation. Truly, I would be happy to have you more than happy. You must know that I fancy you, Miss Ambrosia.
28th Apr '16 2:20:53 PM Seanette
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* Gender-Inverted in ''Literature/ABrothersPrice''; [[spoiler: Cira, who has been rescuing Jerin from kidnappers]] reassures Jerin that she is willing to marry him to protect his reputation. He doesn't believe her, as she would never be able to pay the brother's price for him all by herself. (Monogamy is unheard of in the setting, sisters share a husband.)

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* Gender-Inverted in ''Literature/ABrothersPrice''; [[spoiler: Cira, who has been rescuing Jerin from kidnappers]] reassures Jerin that she is willing to marry him to protect his reputation. He doesn't believe her, as she would never be able to pay the brother's price for him all by herself. (Monogamy is unheard of in the setting, sisters share a husband.)) [[spoiler:Since she's the missing Princess Halley, she's already one of his wives, so it's not a ''real'' issue, but he doesn't know that.]]
4th Apr '16 9:26:52 PM Eievie
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** Joseph almost gave her an honorable ''divorce" proposal. Under Jewish law, he had two choices when he found Mary was pregnant- publicly divorce her and have her stoned (which was the penalty for adultery), or quietly give her a certificate of divorce and send her on her way (which would still leave her an unwed mother with a bad reputation, but was the more merciful of the two options). Before he could do this, an angel came and told him not to be afraid to take Mary as his wife- that she had not been unfaithful. She had become pregnant by the Holy Spirit. To outsiders, this was probably viewed as an HonorableMarriageProposal, because the real reason was understandably difficult to understand at best and thought as bunk at worst.

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** Joseph almost gave her an honorable ''divorce" divorce proposal. Under Jewish law, he had two choices when he found Mary was pregnant- publicly pregnant--publicly divorce her and have her stoned (which was the penalty for adultery), or quietly give her a certificate of divorce and send her on her way (which would still leave her an unwed mother with a bad reputation, but was the more merciful of the two options). Before he could do this, an angel came and told him not to be afraid to take Mary as his wife- that wife--that she had not been unfaithful. She unfaithful: she had become pregnant by the Holy Spirit. To outsiders, this was probably viewed as an HonorableMarriageProposal, because the real reason was understandably difficult to understand at best and thought as bunk at worst.
4th Apr '16 12:04:48 PM jayoungr
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* In ''Film/ThePhiladelphiaStory,'' Mike Connor offers to marry Tracy after their drunken antics of the previous night cause her fiance to dump her on the morning of her wedding.
9th Feb '16 3:34:26 PM roxana
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* In "Film/SailorOfTheKing" Richard Saville offers one of these to Lucinda and is firmly turned down.
5th Jan '16 7:03:11 AM jayoungr
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* In ''Literature:ASongOfIceAndFire'' Robb Stark marries Jeyne Westerling after sleeping with her, putting her honor ([[DefiledForever of a girl deflowered before marriage]]) above his own ([[ArrangedMarriage he promised to marry another]]). It's clearly also HonorBeforeReason and Robb pays for it with [[spoiler:being murdered by the family whose daughter he'd promised to wed]].

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* In ''Literature:ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire,'' Robb Stark marries Jeyne Westerling after sleeping with her, putting her honor ([[DefiledForever of a girl deflowered before marriage]]) above his own ([[ArrangedMarriage he promised to marry another]]). It's clearly also HonorBeforeReason and Robb pays for it with [[spoiler:being murdered by the family whose daughter he'd promised to wed]].
5th Jan '16 7:02:10 AM jayoungr
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* Happens twice in ''Devil's Cub'' by Creator/GeorgetteHeyer. First Vidal insists he must marry Mary to make up for compromising her reputation by taking her to France with him. Then Mr. Comyn, who happens to meet them in France, offers her a way out of that dilemma by offering to marry her himself.

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* Creator/GeorgetteHeyer uses the trope a few times:
** Discussed in ''Charity Girl.'' Cherry's father says that Desford should offer to marry Cherry to save her reputation after he took her to London. Everyone who hears the idea laughs it off, as Desford went to great lengths to make sure Cherry's reputation was ''not'' damaged.
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Happens twice in ''Devil's Cub'' by Creator/GeorgetteHeyer. Cub.'' First Vidal insists he must marry Mary to make up for compromising her reputation by taking her to France with him. Then Mr. Comyn, who happens to meet them in France, offers her a way out of that dilemma by offering to marry her himself.
8th Sep '15 12:09:36 PM Tianzi
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* In ''Literature:ASongOfIceAndFire'' Robb Stark marries Jeyne Westerling after sleeping with her, putting her honor ([[DefiledForever of a girl deflowered before marriage]]) above his own ([[ArrangedMarriage he promised to marry another]]). It's clearly also HonorBeforeReason and Robb pays for it with [[spoiler:being murdered by the family whose daughter he'd promised to wed]].
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