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14th Mar '17 9:23:10 PM TheDocCC
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* Subverted in an old hazing game where the pledges or newbies or what-have-you are told that "Honesty is the best policy." The pledges are then asked a question which ranges from reasonable to silly to embarrassing to malicious. The pledge then whispers their response to a referee of sorts, who then announces to the body whether the pledge has answered correctly or not. Those who have answered in correctly are subjected to some sort of punishment (again, the maliciousness of it depends on the organization). They are again reminded that, "Honesty is the best policy." Rinse, repeat. The solution, of course, is to ignore the question and simply answer, "Honesty."

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* Subverted in an old hazing game where the pledges or newbies or what-have-you are told that "Honesty is the best policy." The pledges are then asked a question which ranges from reasonable to silly to embarrassing to malicious. The pledge then whispers their response to a referee of sorts, who then announces to the body whether the pledge has answered correctly or not. Those who have answered in correctly incorrectly are subjected to some sort of punishment (again, the maliciousness of it depends on the organization). They are again reminded that, "Honesty is the best policy." Rinse, repeat. The solution, of course, is to ignore the question and simply answer, "Honesty."
14th Mar '17 9:22:10 PM TheDocCC
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* Subverted in an old hazing game where the pledges or newbies or what-have-you are told that "Honesty is the best policy." The pledges are then asked a question which ranges from reasonable to silly to embarrassing to malicious. The pledge then whispers their response to a referee of sorts, who then announces to the body whether the pledge has answered correctly or not. Those who have answered in correctly are subjected to some sort of punishment (again, the maliciousness of it depends on the organization). They are again reminded that, "Honesty is the best policy." Rinse, repeat. The solution, of course, is to ignore the question and simply answer, "Honesty."
23rd Feb '17 2:02:33 PM Euodiachloris
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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will, won't and (if it comes up) has done, about being OnlyInItForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.

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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. Mr Blunt]], too. He's totally up front upfront about his skills, about what he will, will do (it's a long list), what he won't do (quite short if the money is good) and (if it comes up) what he has done, done (when it becomes relavant), also about being OnlyInItForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.
13th Jan '17 3:27:29 AM Euodiachloris
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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will and won't do, about being OnlyInItForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.
** The Lannisters, as a group, tend to use this tactic in preference to many others -- the truth is often a more potent weapon than outright lies or any HalfTruth precisely ''because'' [[PragmaticEvil it can be verified]]. Jaime and Tyrion, in particular, are great advocates of saying exactly what they know when it'll serve them to do so. Both boys learned from Dad, although Tywin can be a bit more parsimonious with what he shares and with whom. Cersei... not quite so much: she can be a bit hampered by not always seeing why she should come totally clean (particularly as she has ''a lot'' of dirty linen).
** The [[PrivateMilitaryContractor Golden Company]] has this as a basic strategy: because they're known to be honest, the very rare occasions they do attack an ex-employer, or otherwise break a contract, everybody in both Westeros and Essos knows that either said (stupid) employer tried to screw them over in some way, or they are following a Blackfyre into battle on short notice.

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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will and will, won't do, and (if it comes up) has done, about being OnlyInItForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.
** The Lannisters, as a group, tend to [[{{Pride}} towards owning what they do and who they are]], so they use this tactic in preference to many others -- others. Also, the truth is often a more potent weapon than outright lies or any HalfTruth precisely ''because'' [[PragmaticEvil it can be verified]]. Jaime and Tyrion, in particular, are great advocates of saying exactly what they know and what they have done (well, most of the time) when it'll serve them to do so. Both boys learned from Dad, although Tywin can be a bit rather more parsimonious with what he shares and with whom. Cersei... not quite so much: she can be a bit hampered by not always seeing why she should come totally clean (particularly as she has ''a lot'' of very dangerous dirty linen).
** The [[PrivateMilitaryContractor Golden Company]] has this as a basic strategy: because they're known to be honest, the very rare occasions they do attack an ex-employer, or otherwise break a contract, everybody in both Westeros and Essos knows for absolutely certain that either A) said (stupid) employer tried to screw them over in some way, or B) they are following a Blackfyre into battle on short notice.notice, so C) when they seemingly break their pattern, it proves the rule by throwing a lot of uncertainty into the mix.
30th Dec '16 8:18:34 PM nombretomado
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* The protagonist of DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns can somehow pull this off even when he's setting up [[ThePlan plan after plan]] plus a [[spoiler:ZeroApprovalGambit]] on the side. He also manages to make people believe whatever he wants, like [[spoiler:Trian being dead when he isn't]] yet ''still'' avoids lying by phrasing his words as questions and hypotheses. That said, every one of his direct statements can qualify as BrutalHonesty.

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* The protagonist of DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns ''Fanfic/DragonAgeTheCrownOfThorns'' can somehow pull this off even when he's setting up [[ThePlan plan after plan]] plus a [[spoiler:ZeroApprovalGambit]] on the side. He also manages to make people believe whatever he wants, like [[spoiler:Trian being dead when he isn't]] yet ''still'' avoids lying by phrasing his words as questions and hypotheses. That said, every one of his direct statements can qualify as BrutalHonesty.
6th Oct '16 10:14:00 PM Discar
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* ''Webcomic/{{Misfile}}'': Normally not relevant; since the world got hit with a CosmicRetcon that [[GenderBender turned Ash female]] and [[FountainOfYouth took two years off Emily's age]] while updating everyone else's memories to match, they know better than to try and tell people the truth. But it is referenced when Ash needs to break up with his/her girlfriend, and is looking for an excuse.
-->'''Emily:''' Honesty is the best policy.\\
'''Ash:''' Honesty would get us both locked in an insane asylum.
1st Oct '16 7:44:35 PM Euodiachloris
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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will and won't do, about being in it OnlyForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.

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** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will and won't do, about being in it OnlyForTheMoney OnlyInItForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.



** The [[PrivateMilitaryContractor Golden Company]] has this as a basic strategy: because they're up front and honest, the rare occasions they do attack an ex-employer or otherwise break a contract, everybody in both Westeros and Essos knows that either said employer tried to screw them over, or they are following a Blackfyre into battle.

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** The [[PrivateMilitaryContractor Golden Company]] has this as a basic strategy: because they're up front and known to be honest, the very rare occasions they do attack an ex-employer ex-employer, or otherwise break a contract, everybody in both Westeros and Essos knows that either said (stupid) employer tried to screw them over, over in some way, or they are following a Blackfyre into battle.battle on short notice.
1st Oct '16 7:34:38 PM Euodiachloris
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* Every last Aes Sedai in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', no matter her individual personality or Ajah, can and will pounce with this... when she's absolutely certain it'll get the people she's being overly honest at to do what she wants because they've otherwise been boxed in. However, beware some of them mixing of ExactWords, a HalfTruth or two and FromACertainPointOfView in there, for all those who are sworn to the Oath Rod CannotTellALie, not all Aes Sedai necessarily come ''all'' the way totally, 100% honestly honest ''all the time''.

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* This crops up in several ways in a ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.
** [[MoralSociopathy Bronn]] makes his [[HiredGun living]] (and keeps himself alive) basically by being Mr Honest -- if, occasionally, [[BrutallyHonest a bit blunt]]. He's totally up front about his skills, about what he will and won't do, about being in it OnlyForTheMoney and when/where/how he'll say goodbye... And, as a result, no hard feelings -- which means he's unlikely to get a sword to the face from a disappointed ex-employer.
** The Lannisters, as a group, tend to use this tactic in preference to many others -- the truth is often a more potent weapon than outright lies or any HalfTruth precisely ''because'' [[PragmaticEvil it can be verified]]. Jaime and Tyrion, in particular, are great advocates of saying exactly what they know when it'll serve them to do so. Both boys learned from Dad, although Tywin can be a bit more parsimonious with what he shares and with whom. Cersei... not quite so much: she can be a bit hampered by not always seeing why she should come totally clean (particularly as she has ''a lot'' of dirty linen).
** The [[PrivateMilitaryContractor Golden Company]] has this as a basic strategy: because they're up front and honest, the rare occasions they do attack an ex-employer or otherwise break a contract, everybody in both Westeros and Essos knows that either said employer tried to screw them over, or they are following a Blackfyre into battle.
* Every last Aes Sedai in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', no matter her individual personality or Ajah, can and will pounce with this... when she's absolutely certain it'll get the people she's being overly honest at to do what she wants because they've otherwise been boxed in. However, beware some of them mixing of ExactWords, a HalfTruth or two and FromACertainPointOfView in there, for all those who are properly sworn to the Oath Rod CannotTellALie, not all ''all'' Aes Sedai necessarily come ''all'' the way totally, 100% honestly honest ''all the time''.
1st Oct '16 7:06:48 PM Euodiachloris
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* Every last Aes Sedai in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', no matter her individual personality or Ajah, can and will pounce with this... when she's absolutely certain it'll get the people she's being overly honest at to do what she wants because they've otherwise been boxed in. However, beware some of them mixing of ExactWords, a HalfTruth or two and FromACertainPointOfView in there, for all those who are sworn to the Oath Rod CannotTellALie, not all Aes Sedai necessarily come ''all'' the way totally, 100% honestly honest ''all the time''.
18th Sep '16 9:01:47 PM 08n8t0
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* Mentioned by Sheogorath in ''[[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Elder Scrolls Online]]'': "Speak up! Honesty is the best policy, as far as you know."
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