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27th Apr '16 8:28:56 AM dotchan
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It's a lonely life in the Navy. Outside {{prison|Rape}} or [[SchoolgirlLesbians single-gender schools]], probably the most well-known version of SituationalSexuality is in the naval service. For years, men would be left alone together on ships for weeks on end, as female sailors served in a very limited capacity if at all (this is slowly changing). Sexual needs had to be met somehow and that meant a lot of men turned to one another for comfort. This has led to sailors becoming sex symbols among gay men. Definitely TruthInTelevision on occasion, and in fiction, a common subtrope of the ManlyGay and StraightGay types. Pretty much OlderThanSteam.

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It's a lonely life in the Navy. Outside {{prison|Rape}} or [[SchoolgirlLesbians single-gender schools]], probably the most well-known version of SituationalSexuality is in the naval service. For years, men would be left alone together on ships for weeks on end, as female sailors served in a very limited capacity if at all (this is slowly changing). Sexual needs had to be met somehow and that meant a lot of men turned to one another for comfort. This has led to sailors (or [[{{Pun}} sea]] [[FreudWasRight men]] of any stripe) becoming sex symbols among gay men. Definitely TruthInTelevision on occasion, and in fiction, a common subtrope of the ManlyGay and StraightGay types. Pretty much OlderThanSteam.
14th Mar '16 7:32:41 AM igordebraga
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** Also, given one of the members is dressed as a soldier, at times the fatigues were the Navy's (particularly in Village People imitators).
22nd Jan '16 4:14:29 PM nombretomado
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* In one episode of ''Series/{{QI}}'', StephenFry asks the question, "Do you know how they separate the men from the boys in the Navy?". Answer: with a crowbar.

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* In one episode of ''Series/{{QI}}'', StephenFry Creator/StephenFry asks the question, "Do you know how they separate the men from the boys in the Navy?". Answer: with a crowbar.
14th Jan '16 4:48:06 AM Winter
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* ''Literature/MobyDick'' is stuffed full of it. Including Ishmael and Queequeg's status as HeterosexualLifePartners and Ishmael wading, nay, [[HaveAGayOldTime wallowing in sperm]][[note]]Spermaceti, an oil found in the head of the ju whale, which was originally thought to be whale sperm[[/note]] along with the rest of the crew.

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* ''Literature/MobyDick'' is stuffed full of it. Including Ishmael and Queequeg's status as HeterosexualLifePartners and Ishmael wading, nay, [[HaveAGayOldTime wallowing in sperm]][[note]]Spermaceti, an oil found in the head of the ju sperm whale, which was originally thought to be whale sperm[[/note]] along with the rest of the crew.
14th Jan '16 12:53:16 AM rigpig
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** Aubrey himself is the subject of an inferred crush by an older man, the Sailing Master on his first command. Nothing specific happens but it is remarked upon by certain crew members who know the Sailing Master from previous service.
14th Jan '16 12:47:29 AM rigpig
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* ''Literature/MobyDick'' is stuffed full of it. Including Ishmael and Queequeg's status as HeterosexualLifePartners and Ishmael wading, nay, [[HaveAGayOldTime wallowing in sperm]][[note]]Spermaceti, an oil found in the head of the sperm whale, which was originally thought to be whale sperm[[/note]] along with the rest of the crew.

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* ''Literature/MobyDick'' is stuffed full of it. Including Ishmael and Queequeg's status as HeterosexualLifePartners and Ishmael wading, nay, [[HaveAGayOldTime wallowing in sperm]][[note]]Spermaceti, an oil found in the head of the sperm ju whale, which was originally thought to be whale sperm[[/note]] along with the rest of the crew.


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* the Pogues album "RumSodomyAndTheLash" used the painting "WreckOfTheMedusa" as a sleeve design. This refers to a wreck involving a French troopship, so has no relevance to the title
2nd Dec '15 10:55:41 AM demonfiren
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* Everyone knows submariners are ''all'' this way, everyone of them, just ask anyone else in the Navy "100 men go down, 50 couples come up!" The submarine service of the US Navy especially, since women have long been allowed on most surface ships, but were not permitted on submarines until 2010 and owing to training time would not actually serve until 2013. See also: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uoC6z8LNI&feature=related this video.]]

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* Everyone knows submariners are ''all'' this way, everyone of them, just ask anyone else in the Navy "100 men go down, 50 couples come up!" The submarine service of the US Navy especially, since women have long been allowed on most surface ships, but were not permitted on submarines until 2010 and owing to training time would not actually serve until 2013. See also: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uoC6z8LNI&feature=related com/watch?v=S9uoC6z8LNI this video.]]
27th May '15 5:05:56 PM Firestorm17
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* In the ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'' episode "The Bon Voyage Reaction", Sheldon, in an effort to convince Penny to join him in objecting to Leonard's planned North Sea expedition, suggests that Leonard will cheat on Penny with other men during the expedition because he'll be at sea.
20th May '15 8:09:25 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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* In some ''{{Popeye}}'' cartoons from WWII era (such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qfcPJS5IBc "Seeing Red, White and Blue"]]), Navy sailors (except Popeye of course) were portrayed as "funny", groping, mincing and occasionally cross-dressing.

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* In some ''{{Popeye}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'' cartoons from WWII era (such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qfcPJS5IBc "Seeing Red, White and Blue"]]), Navy sailors (except Popeye of course) were portrayed as "funny", groping, mincing and occasionally cross-dressing.



* [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Used]] in an episode of ''JohnnyBravo''. After being told that women like a guy who's "InTouchWithHisFeminineSide", the not-very-bright Johnny ends dressing in drag to impress a girl and gets hit on by a couple of AmbiguouslyGay sailors who tell him suggestively that they're "on shore leave."

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* [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar Used]] in an episode of ''JohnnyBravo''.''WesternAnimation/JohnnyBravo''. After being told that women like a guy who's "InTouchWithHisFeminineSide", the not-very-bright Johnny ends dressing in drag to impress a girl and gets hit on by a couple of AmbiguouslyGay sailors who tell him suggestively that they're "on shore leave."



* ''RobotChicken'''s advertisement [[http://robotchicken.wikia.com/wiki/More_Don%27t_Ask_Then_Ever_Before More Don't Ask Than Ever Before ]]

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* ''RobotChicken'''s ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'''s advertisement [[http://robotchicken.wikia.com/wiki/More_Don%27t_Ask_Then_Ever_Before More Don't Ask Than Ever Before ]]



* Discussed in depth in the book ''[[http://www.amazon.com/Sodomy-Pirate-Tradition-Seventeenth-Century-Caribbean/dp/0814712363/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308254551&sr=8-1 Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition]]'' (which JohnnyDepp read in preparation to play Captain Jack Sparrow): the argument is basically that gay sex actually wasn't nearly as taboo and shocking in the seventeenth century as it is today, and that those who lived as pirates had little regard for societal norms and "rules" anyway, so it wouldn't really have been a big deal for men stuck onboard a ship for months at a time to turn to one another for sex and/or love. There was even a term for a more permanent arrangement: matelotage. Two sailors who were matelots would often share possessions and have some of the commitments of a married couple (sometimes indicated by 'matelot marks', a significant tattoo.) This wouldn't necessarily include sexual exclusivity, however- the 'possessions' shared would sometimes include having a three-way marriage to a woman as well. Tolerance probably varied between cultures and vessels, however. (On the other hand, deep-sea sailors were pretty much a self-selecting group anyway- they might have been men who were less bothered than others about spending a long time in a male-only environment...)

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* Discussed in depth in the book ''[[http://www.amazon.com/Sodomy-Pirate-Tradition-Seventeenth-Century-Caribbean/dp/0814712363/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308254551&sr=8-1 Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition]]'' (which JohnnyDepp Creator/JohnnyDepp read in preparation to play Captain Jack Sparrow): the argument is basically that gay sex actually wasn't nearly as taboo and shocking in the seventeenth century as it is today, and that those who lived as pirates had little regard for societal norms and "rules" anyway, so it wouldn't really have been a big deal for men stuck onboard a ship for months at a time to turn to one another for sex and/or love. There was even a term for a more permanent arrangement: matelotage. Two sailors who were matelots would often share possessions and have some of the commitments of a married couple (sometimes indicated by 'matelot marks', a significant tattoo.) This wouldn't necessarily include sexual exclusivity, however- the 'possessions' shared would sometimes include having a three-way marriage to a woman as well. Tolerance probably varied between cultures and vessels, however. (On the other hand, deep-sea sailors were pretty much a self-selecting group anyway- they might have been men who were less bothered than others about spending a long time in a male-only environment...)
14th May '15 10:07:22 PM karstovich2
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->"''Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but [[TheDrunkenSailor rum]], sodomy, and [[ATasteOfTheLash the lash]].''"

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->"''Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but [[TheDrunkenSailor rum]], rum, sodomy, and [[ATasteOfTheLash the lash]].lash.''"



Note that the Royal Navy abolished the practice of flogging in 1948, and that rum rations were discontinued in 1970 (but were temporarily reintroduced in 1982 [[INeedAFreakingDrink because of the Falklands War]]). [[CastFullOfGay The modern navy runs on sodomy, and sodomy alone.]] [[InsaneTrollLogic QED.]]

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Note that the Royal Navy abolished the practice of flogging [[ATasteOfTheLash flogging]] in 1948, and that [[TheDrunkenSailor rum rations rations]] were discontinued in 1970 (but were temporarily reintroduced in 1982 [[INeedAFreakingDrink because of the Falklands War]]). [[CastFullOfGay The modern navy Navy runs on sodomy, and sodomy alone.]] [[InsaneTrollLogic QED.]]
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