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26th Jan '16 9:39:24 AM Hanz
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** Slightly lessened, but still somewhat prevalent in ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', usually from the part of Vivienne (a Pro-Circle Mage with classist views) and Solas (a spiritually-inclined Elven apostate contemptuous of all mortal races). The two tend to bitterly snipe at one another due to being complete opposites at one another.
23rd Jan '16 12:17:26 PM CountDorku
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** If you have his DLC, Anders will also butt heads with Sebastian, a devoutly religious man. Since the Templars who are oppressing mages are bankrolled by the same Chantry that Sebastian supports, while Anders is an open heretic who (if you gave it to him) wears a medallion from the schismatic Tevinter Chantry under his clothes, there's just a bit of hostility there. [[spoiler:When Anders goes off the deep end and commits a terrorist act in the name of mage freedom, if Hawke doesn't execute Anders immediately, Sebastian will storm off, eventually leading an army against Kirkwall in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''.]] ** Aveline (strongly Lawful-aligned city guard) and Isabela (strongly Chaotic-aligned pirate) will butt heads in the early- to mid-game, although they settle down to VitriolicBestBuds later on.
11th Dec '15 12:06:50 PM CyberTiger88
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* '''[[NeverLiveItDown Never Living It Down]]''': One of the heroes did something in the past or failed in some way that has tainted them in the eyes of others, but while most heroes give him the benefit of the doubt or believe the hero has proven his worth, the rival just won't let it go.
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* '''[[NeverLiveItDown Never Living It Down]]''': One of the heroes did something in the past or failed in some way that has tainted them in the eyes of others, but while most heroes give him the benefit of the doubt or believe the hero has proven his worth, [[AccuserOfTheBrethren the rival just won't let it go.go]].
21st Oct '15 12:24:38 AM MiVaTh
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** Evolved in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX''. Johnny can still be [[TheGadfly a complete ass]] at times, but he does back up his cocky attitude with legitimate badassitude, being instrumental in defeating Shinnok, making an effective diplomat with the other factions of the MK-verse, and is recognized several times as being Earthrealm's champion. [[GoodParents And he's a good dad too.]]
15th Oct '15 6:15:54 PM 313Bluestreak
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30th Sep '15 4:14:18 PM nombretomado
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15th Aug '15 5:36:13 AM MechWarrior
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[[caption-width-right:300:Can't [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk we]] [[TheMightyThor all]] just get along?]]
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* [[DeadpanSnarker Kaede]] [[TheStoic Rukawa]] and [[BoisterousBruiser Hanamichi]] [[LargeHam Sakuragi]] from ''SlamDunk''.
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* [[DeadpanSnarker Kaede]] [[TheStoic Rukawa]] and [[BoisterousBruiser Hanamichi]] [[LargeHam Sakuragi]] from ''SlamDunk''.''Manga/SlamDunk''.

* Kazuma and Ryuho of ''{{Scryed}}'' may have common goals at times, but once they're taken care of, it's back to fighting each other. Their ideologies and personalities, and their stubborn pride, make for unresolvable differences. [[spoiler:The very last episode is a knock-down, drag-out fight between the two of them, with no hint of friendship apparent between the two.]] * In the ''Manga/{{Mai-Hime}}'' manga, Nao doesn't get along well with any of the other Himes, especially not Natsuki and Haruka. Unlike in the anime, however, she never turns completely hostile against the others after joining them.
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* Kazuma and Ryuho of ''{{Scryed}}'' ''{{Anime/SCryed}}'' may have common goals at times, but once they're taken care of, it's back to fighting each other. Their ideologies and personalities, and their stubborn pride, make for unresolvable differences. [[spoiler:The very last episode is a knock-down, drag-out fight between the two of them, with no hint of friendship apparent between the two.]] * In the ''Manga/{{Mai-Hime}}'' ''Manga/MaiHime'' manga, Nao doesn't get along well with any of the other Himes, especially not Natsuki and Haruka. Unlike in the anime, however, she never turns completely hostile against the others after joining them.

* Franchise/{{Batman}} has a tendency to rub many other heroes the wrong way, with some of them actually going hostile on him. Franchise/{{Superman}} is not one of them (which can surprise people, considering how opposite they are portrayed usually), but [[GreenLantern Hal Jordan and especially Guy Gardner are]]. Harvey Bullock is sometimes portrayed this way towards him too, but he eventually gets better.
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* Franchise/{{Batman}} has a tendency to rub many other heroes the wrong way, with some of them actually going hostile on him. Franchise/{{Superman}} is not one of them (which can surprise people, considering how opposite they are portrayed usually), but [[GreenLantern [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan and especially Guy Gardner are]]. Harvey Bullock is sometimes portrayed this way towards him too, but he eventually gets better.

* And speaking of [[GreenLantern Guy Gardner]], he REALLY has an ability to rub people wrong. Countless people have manifested the desire to beat the shit out of him. Batman actually did...WITH ONE PUNCH!!! * [[IncredibleHulk The Hulk]] REALLY has this in spades. He has loads of characters he'll never get along with. Amongst them, [[TheMightyThor Thor]] is the one with whom he has the biggest rivalry. [[ComicBook/XMen The Juggernaut]], ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] are also common rivals. ** As far as the Hulk goes, he and Thor will occasionally get along perfectly well until one sets the other off, and a fight breaks out. Hulk and Ben also have mutual respect for each other. That being said, the Hulk does have a few heroes he absolutely hates, especially after the PlanetHulk / WorldWarHulk incidents. Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and Professor X being among them. Wolverine and Juggernaut, on the other hand, are purely antagonistic with the Hulk.
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* And speaking of [[GreenLantern [[Franchise/GreenLantern Guy Gardner]], he REALLY has an ability to rub people wrong. Countless people have manifested the desire to beat the shit out of him. Batman actually did...WITH ONE PUNCH!!! * [[IncredibleHulk [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk]] REALLY has this in spades. He has loads of characters he'll never get along with. Amongst them, [[TheMightyThor [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] is the one with whom he has the biggest rivalry. [[ComicBook/XMen The Juggernaut]], ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] are also common rivals. ** As far as the Hulk goes, he and Thor will occasionally get along perfectly well until one sets the other off, and a fight breaks out. Hulk and Ben also have mutual respect for each other. That being said, the Hulk does have a few heroes he absolutely hates, especially after the PlanetHulk ComicBook/PlanetHulk / WorldWarHulk ComicBook/WorldWarHulk incidents. Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and Professor X being among them. Wolverine and Juggernaut, on the other hand, are purely antagonistic with the Hulk.

* ThePunisher is a surprisingly dark anti-hero. He kills frequently in ways which are BloodyHilarious, simply brutal, or just {{Gorn}}. Additionally, he readily goes all-out with firearms. As the name implies, mercy is ''not'' one of his virtues at all. This doesn't help his popularity with more idealistic heroes. Since he was first introduced as an adversary of ComicBook/SpiderMan, it's not surprising that Webhead isn't a fan.
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* ThePunisher ComicBook/ThePunisher is a surprisingly dark anti-hero. He kills frequently in ways which are BloodyHilarious, simply brutal, or just {{Gorn}}. Additionally, he readily goes all-out with firearms. As the name implies, mercy is ''not'' one of his virtues at all. This doesn't help his popularity with more idealistic heroes. Since he was first introduced as an adversary of ComicBook/SpiderMan, it's not surprising that Webhead isn't a fan.

* Namor the SubMariner has this with the MarvelUniverse, primarily due to him being a [[JustForPun royal]] JerkAss.
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* Namor the SubMariner ComicBook/SubMariner has this with the MarvelUniverse, Franchise/MarvelUniverse, primarily due to him being a [[JustForPun royal]] JerkAss.{{Jerkass}}.

* MsMarvel carried a grudge against [[ComicBook/XMen Rogue]] for quite a while for {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her to steal her powers back when Rogue was still a villain working for Mystique. They eventually reconciled (but whether any given writer [[DependingOnTheWriter remembers]] that is up for grabs).
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* MsMarvel ComicBook/MsMarvel carried a grudge against [[ComicBook/XMen Rogue]] for quite a while for {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her to steal her powers back when Rogue was still a villain working for Mystique. They eventually reconciled (but whether any given writer [[DependingOnTheWriter remembers]] that is up for grabs).
24th Jan '15 1:13:56 PM babyhenchy1
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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'': Jack and Miranda in ''2''; Jack endured hellish torture in a rogue Cerberus facility, Miranda is the biggest fan Cerberus has ever had, to the point where after you finish both their loyalty missions, they will attempt to kill each other and you have to separate them, costing you one's loyalty unless you have a high Paragon or Renegade score. A similar situation arises with Tali and Legion, since Tali really dislikes the geth and Legion ''is'' a geth. Finally, Javik gets into near-constant arguments with both EDI and a Paragon Shepard, EDI because he hates synthetic life and Shepard because the Protheans' default means of solving problems involved an airlock, while Paragon Shep tends to be more of a diplomat who tries to bring about a peaceful resolution. Thankfully, by the late-stage Citadel DLC, most of these settle down into at worst VitriolicBestBuds, and Legion and Tali's alliance ends up being the last, best hope for a geth/quarian peace.
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* ''Franchise/MassEffect'': Jack and Miranda in ''2''; Jack endured hellish torture in a rogue Cerberus facility, Miranda is the biggest fan Cerberus has ever had, to the point where after you finish both their loyalty missions, they will attempt to kill each other and you have to separate them, costing you one's loyalty unless you have a high Paragon or Renegade score. A similar situation arises with Tali and Legion, since Tali really dislikes the geth and Legion ''is'' a geth. Finally, Javik gets into near-constant arguments with both EDI and a Paragon Shepard, EDI because he hates synthetic life and Shepard because the Protheans' default means of solving problems involved an airlock, while Paragon Shep tends to be more of a diplomat who tries to bring about a peaceful resolution. Thankfully, by the late-stage Citadel DLC, most of these settle down into at worst VitriolicBestBuds, Javik comes to have a great deal of respect for Shepard and his/her idealism, and Legion and Tali's alliance ends up being the last, best hope for a geth/quarian peace.
9th Jan '15 10:33:01 PM Willbyr
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-->''As intelligent men facing lunatic times, we were very alike, despising each other instantly. Recognizing me, he attacked anyway, "Mistaking me for a criminal."'' --->--Ozymandias, ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''
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-->''As ->''As intelligent men facing lunatic times, we were very alike, despising each other instantly. Recognizing me, he attacked anyway, "Mistaking me for a criminal."'' --->--Ozymandias, -->-- '''Ozymandias''', ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''

Headbutting Heroes refers to when two heroes thoroughly hate each other, or when one hero hates another hero (it doesn't have to be mutual). This is not the same as the animosity that can form between, say, a [[TheLancer Lancer]] and his superior, since, while they may have animosity against each other, the Lancer deep down respects the [[TheHero Hero]] and will defer to his leadership. It's also different from LetsYouAndHimFight, since the heroes have not been misled to face each other. They really want to duke it out every time they meet, or at the very least they are obviously disagreeable and might try to discredit each other in front of other heroes. They just cannot get along, no matter how others might try to get them to keep it civil.
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Headbutting Heroes refers to when two heroes thoroughly hate each other, or when one hero hates another hero (it doesn't have to be mutual). This is not the same as the animosity that can form between, say, a [[TheLancer Lancer]] and his superior, since, while they may have animosity against each other, the Lancer deep down respects the [[TheHero Hero]] {{the Hero}} and will defer to his leadership. It's also different from LetsYouAndHimFight, since the heroes have not been misled to face each other. They really want to duke it out every time they meet, or at the very least they are obviously disagreeable and might try to discredit each other in front of other heroes. They just cannot get along, no matter how others might try to get them to keep it civil.

Headbutting Heroes refers to when two heroes thoroughly hate each other, or when one hero hates another hero (it doesn't have to be mutual). This is not the same as the animosity that can form between, say, a [[TheLancer Lancer]] and his superior, since, while they may have animosity against each other, the Lancer deep down respects the [[TheHero Hero]] and will defer to his leadership. It's also different from LetsYouAndHimFight, since the heroes have not been misled to face each other. They really want to duke it out every time they meet, or at the very least they are obviously disagreeable and might try to discredit each other in front of other heroes. They just cannot get along, no matter how others might try to get them to keep it civil.

* [[IncredibleHulk The Hulk]] REALLY has this in spades. He has loads of characters he'll never get along with. Amongst them, [[TheMightyThor Thor]] is the one with whom he has the biggest rivalry. [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} The Juggernaut]], {{Wolverine}} and [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] are also common rivals.
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* [[IncredibleHulk The Hulk]] REALLY has this in spades. He has loads of characters he'll never get along with. Amongst them, [[TheMightyThor Thor]] is the one with whom he has the biggest rivalry. [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} [[ComicBook/XMen The Juggernaut]], {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] are also common rivals.

* {{Wolverine}} can't go a week without running into a hero who wants to beat him up. If said hero is a government agent or came from the Weapon X program, even more so. * ThePunisher is a surprisingly dark anti-hero. He kills frequently in ways which are BloodyHilarious, simply brutal, or just {{Gorn}}. Additionally, he readily goes all-out with firearms. As the name implies, mercy is ''not'' one of his virtues at all. This doesn't help his popularity with more idealistic heroes. Since he was first introduced as an adversary of SpiderMan, it's not surprising that Webhead isn't a fan. ** The same thing goes for [[{{ComicBook/Daredevil}} Daredevil]], who has worked with the Punisher once or twice when he's had no other options. * [[{{Main/Deadpool}} Deadpool]], due to his frequent work as a mercenary and assassin. Also, because everybody finds him freaking annoying. * Namor the SubMariner has this with the MarvelUniverse, primarily due to him being a [[IncrediblyLamePun royal]] JerkAss.
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* {{Wolverine}} ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} can't go a week without running into a hero who wants to beat him up. If said hero is a government agent or came from the Weapon X program, even more so. * ThePunisher is a surprisingly dark anti-hero. He kills frequently in ways which are BloodyHilarious, simply brutal, or just {{Gorn}}. Additionally, he readily goes all-out with firearms. As the name implies, mercy is ''not'' one of his virtues at all. This doesn't help his popularity with more idealistic heroes. Since he was first introduced as an adversary of SpiderMan, ComicBook/SpiderMan, it's not surprising that Webhead isn't a fan. ** The same thing goes for [[{{ComicBook/Daredevil}} Daredevil]], ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}, who has worked with the Punisher once or twice when he's had no other options. * [[{{Main/Deadpool}} Deadpool]], SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}, due to his frequent work as a mercenary and assassin. Also, because everybody finds him freaking annoying. * Namor the SubMariner has this with the MarvelUniverse, primarily due to him being a [[IncrediblyLamePun [[JustForPun royal]] JerkAss.

* MsMarvel carried a grudge against [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} Rogue]] for quite a while for [[MindRape Mind Raping]] her to steal her powers back when Rogue was still a villain working for Mystique. They eventually reconciled (but whether any given writer [[DependingOnTheWriter remembers]] that is up for grabs).
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* MsMarvel carried a grudge against [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} [[ComicBook/XMen Rogue]] for quite a while for [[MindRape Mind Raping]] {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her to steal her powers back when Rogue was still a villain working for Mystique. They eventually reconciled (but whether any given writer [[DependingOnTheWriter remembers]] that is up for grabs).

* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi features this with a very interesting twist. Sailor Mercury is a unquestionably heroic character displaced by interdimensional weirdness, and, through no fault of her own, has been made a Keeper. Keepers usually have a dash of TheUnfettered thrown in. The worst count as {{OmnicidalManiac}}s. Mercury is nothing like this. The Light's forces, however, are extreamely reluctant to consider her as anything but a madwoman to be eliminated. [[BigGood The Avatar]] outright states that he has difficulty tolerateing her on an emotional level, due to the crimes perpetrated against his people by Keepers, and he's one of the more open-minded of the Lightworld rulers.
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* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi ''FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' features this with a very interesting twist. Sailor Mercury is a unquestionably heroic character displaced by interdimensional weirdness, and, through no fault of her own, has been made a Keeper. Keepers usually have a dash of TheUnfettered thrown in. The worst count as {{OmnicidalManiac}}s.{{Omnicidal Maniac}}s. Mercury is nothing like this. The Light's forces, however, are extreamely extremely reluctant to consider her as anything but a madwoman to be eliminated. [[BigGood The Avatar]] outright states that he has difficulty tolerateing tolerating her on an emotional level, due to the crimes perpetrated against his people by Keepers, and he's one of the more open-minded of the Lightworld rulers.

* Happens in Film/TheAvengers, and many have argued that this is part of the movie's appeal: successfully translating the complex dynamics of the heroes' relationships in the comic books to the big screen. It is a very large plot point actually.
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* Happens in Film/TheAvengers, ''Film/TheAvengers'', and many have argued that this is part of the movie's appeal: successfully translating the complex dynamics of the heroes' relationships in the comic books to the big screen. It is a very large plot point actually.

* Frank Pembleton in HomicideLifeOnTheStreet is much like the Batman example. While Pembleton is an extremely talented detective, dedicated to his job and willing to see all murder victims as equals, he generally rubs those in his squad the wrong way, considering them amateurish by comparison. Having said that, his squad members get along with him considerably better than other members of the police force.
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* Frank Pembleton in HomicideLifeOnTheStreet ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'' is much like the Batman example. While Pembleton is an extremely talented detective, dedicated to his job and willing to see all murder victims as equals, he generally rubs those in his squad the wrong way, considering them amateurish by comparison. Having said that, his squad members get along with him considerably better than other members of the police force.

* JohnCena and [[DwayneJohnson The Rock]] are both supposed to be "heroes" (i.e., babyfaces-- Cena gets booed more than almost any other face ever, though), and they can't stand each other at all. Same applied to ShawnMichaels and TheUndertaker towards the end of the former's career, although that was more due to Michaels' ({{kayfabe}}) obsession with defeating Undertaker at WrestleMania. ** Cena also gets loads of this from RandyOrton after the latter's HeelFaceTurn.
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* JohnCena Wrestling/JohnCena and [[DwayneJohnson The Rock]] are both supposed to be "heroes" (i.e., babyfaces-- Cena gets booed more than almost any other face ever, though), and they can't stand each other at all. Same applied to ShawnMichaels Wrestling/ShawnMichaels and TheUndertaker Wrestling/TheUndertaker towards the end of the former's career, although that was more due to Michaels' ({{kayfabe}}) obsession with defeating Undertaker at WrestleMania. ** Cena also gets loads of this from RandyOrton Wrestling/RandyOrton after the latter's HeelFaceTurn.

* Subverted with [[MortalKombat Johnny Cage]]; he butts head with the other fighters but is mainly on the receiving end rather than mutually dishing it out due to his often [[ArrogantKungFuGuy cocky]], [[ItsAllAboutMe narcissistic]], [[JerkAss jackass]] behavior. It only got worse [[MortalKombat2011 in the most recent installment.]]
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* Subverted with [[MortalKombat [[Franchise/MortalKombat Johnny Cage]]; he butts head with the other fighters but is mainly on the receiving end rather than mutually dishing it out due to his often [[ArrogantKungFuGuy cocky]], [[ItsAllAboutMe narcissistic]], [[JerkAss jackass]] {{Jerkass}} behavior. It only got worse [[MortalKombat2011 [[VideoGame/MortalKombat9 in the most recent installment.]]

* ''[[LetsPlay/TwitchPlaysPokemon Twitch Plays Pokemon]]'' features this trope being carried out by the legions of players controlling the player character at the same time. It's most commonly seen with the fight between the Anarchists (followers of the Helix, who hold that the original play style is the best and that it's more fun that way) and the Democrats (followers of the Dome, who hold that democracy mode is necessary to progress and thus better). Nonetheless, both sides want the heroes to be successful, and will swap to the other style of play if necessary (best seen with the [[ThatOneLevel Safari]] [[TimedMission Zone]] in Red, for which democracy was practically ''required'', and the [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus linking]] in Conquest, which really ''was'' impossible in democracy).
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* ''[[LetsPlay/TwitchPlaysPokemon Twitch Plays Pokemon]]'' ''LetsPlay/TwitchPlaysPokemon'' features this trope being carried out by the legions of players controlling the player character at the same time. It's most commonly seen with the fight between the Anarchists (followers of the Helix, who hold that the original play style is the best and that it's more fun that way) and the Democrats (followers of the Dome, who hold that democracy mode is necessary to progress and thus better). Nonetheless, both sides want the heroes to be successful, and will swap to the other style of play if necessary (best seen with the [[ThatOneLevel Safari]] [[TimedMission Zone]] in Red, for which democracy was practically ''required'', and the [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Arceus linking]] in Conquest, which really ''was'' impossible in democracy). democracy).
30th Dec '14 10:13:50 AM babyhenchy1
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', this is very prevalent when it comes to both Fenris and Anders, both of whom have very strong opinions when it comes to the Mage/Templar conflict of the game. Fenris has a deep distrust of mages due to growing up as a slave in the Tevinter Imperium, an AlwaysChaoticEvil [[TheMagocracy Magocracy]], while Anders is an advocate of mage rights possessed by a spirit incapable of seeing shades of gray (to the extent that the spirit's influence eventually drives Anders to extremism). Unsurprisingly, the two ''despise'' each other - though Anders eventually becomes such an extremist that he sees nearly anyone as a potential enemy. Still, if there's one thing that the two agree on, it's that both of them dislike Merrill for being a Blood Mage (a very taboo and controversial form of magic in the setting).
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', this is very prevalent when it comes to both Fenris and Anders, both of whom have very strong opinions when it comes to the Mage/Templar conflict of the game. Fenris has a deep distrust of mages due to growing up as a slave in the Tevinter Imperium, an AlwaysChaoticEvil [[TheMagocracy Magocracy]], while Anders is an advocate of mage rights possessed by a spirit incapable of seeing shades of gray (to the extent that the spirit's influence eventually drives Anders to extremism). Unsurprisingly, the two ''despise'' each other - though Anders eventually becomes such an extremist that he sees nearly anyone as a potential enemy.enemy, whereas Fenris might gain a great deal of respect for a Mage Hawke for their ability to control their powers and temptations, and compares Anders negatively to Hawke at a later point in the game. Still, if there's one thing that the two agree on, it's that both of them dislike Merrill for being a Blood Mage (a very taboo and controversial form of magic in the setting).
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