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* ''ComicBook/TheWitchBoy'' takes place in a magical society where men become shapeshifters and women become witches, but the protagonist Aster is a boy who cannot transform and secretly tries to study magic. It is easily read as a metaphor for discrimination in gender roles, with [[MenActWomenAre men being pushed toward violent activities and women towards domestic ones]]. It can also be read as concerning gender identity. Though Aster never displays explicit discomfort specifically with being assigned male, it's shown his preference for magic isn't just merely personality when [[spoiler:Mikasa tastes his soul and discovers it is that of a witch. Inversely, his grandmother turns out to be a partial shapeshifter.]]
12th Nov '17 4:56:43 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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*** When he wrote this, Lovecraft's actual intent may have been somewhat more awkward by today's standards - the FishPeople breeding with humans likely represented interracial sex and marriage, and being the flaming racist that he was, Lovecraft portrayed this as a Very Bad Thing™. Lovecraft might have even drawn inspiration from his own horrified discovery that his grandmother was...''Welsh'' ([[SarcasmMode oh noes!]]). Of course, since [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UEEce0uNrUY/UBqbjLcO8PI/AAAAAAAACMg/YY5xoI4P86M/s1600/SNAP.jpg interracial sex and marriage in Lovecraft's time were stigmatized much like homosexuality]], the homosexuality parallels in ''The Shadow Over Innsmouth'' [[{{Applicability}} aren't surprising]].

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*** When he wrote this, Lovecraft's actual intent may have been somewhat more awkward by today's standards - the standards. The FishPeople breeding with humans likely represented interracial sex and marriage, and being the flaming racist that he was, Lovecraft portrayed this as a Very Bad Thing™. Lovecraft might have even drawn inspiration from his own horrified discovery that his grandmother was...''Welsh'' ([[SarcasmMode oh noes!]]). Of course, since [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UEEce0uNrUY/UBqbjLcO8PI/AAAAAAAACMg/YY5xoI4P86M/s1600/SNAP.jpg interracial sex and marriage in Lovecraft's time were stigmatized much like homosexuality]], the homosexuality parallels in ''The Shadow Over Innsmouth'' [[{{Applicability}} aren't surprising]].
12th Nov '17 4:55:50 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] to represent Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own inability to be with the man he loved. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.

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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample of this trope could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] to represent Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own inability to be with the man he loved. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.
12th Nov '17 4:54:58 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own inability to be with the man he loved. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.

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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing to represent Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own inability to be with the man he loved. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.
12th Nov '17 4:54:16 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.

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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable inability to be with.with the man he loved. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.
12th Nov '17 4:53:47 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.

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* Speaking of dark and disturbing tales about fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.
12th Nov '17 4:52:59 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In many cases, this trope is a way to introduce themes about minorities into a plot [[ButNotTooForeign without being too specific about what is being referenced]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. In this way, the writer has room to create an effective allegory without any limitations. Though on rare occasion, [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory there is no allegory at all]]: the trope is just the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in. Also, besides the queer community, similar circumstances may also apply to other persecuted groups like [[ANiceJewishIndex Jews]] and [[DisabilityTropes disabled folks]], so a metaphor for one such group may be {{applicab|ility}}le to another. For example, in the Franchise/PotterVerse, Creator/JKRowling intended [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent lycanthropy]] to be a FantasticDisability akin to [=HIV/AIDS=], but it works as a queer analogy too -- especially since HIV predominantly affected queer people when it first started spreading, and still has a disproportionate impact within that community.

If there is a stigmatized difference that is not readily apparent or can be disguised (especially one that [[PubertySuperpower appears when the character is old enough to hide it]]), chances are that characters will try to hide it to avoid being judged, and that if/when their secret [[TheUnmasquedWorld is revealed]], it will come as a definite shock... and [[FromBadToWorse invite]] [[FinalSolution mortal]] [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust danger]].

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In many cases, this trope is a way to introduce themes about minorities into a plot [[ButNotTooForeign without being too specific about what is being referenced]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. In this way, the writer has room to create an effective allegory without any limitations. Though on rare occasion, [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory there is no allegory at all]]: the trope is just the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in. Also, besides the queer community, similar circumstances may also apply to other persecuted groups like [[ANiceJewishIndex Jews]] and [[DisabilityTropes disabled folks]], so a metaphor for one such group may be {{applicab|ility}}le to another. For example, in the Franchise/PotterVerse, Creator/JKRowling intended [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent lycanthropy]] to be a FantasticDisability FictionalDisability akin to [=HIV/AIDS=], but it works as a queer analogy too -- especially since HIV predominantly affected queer people when it first started spreading, and still has a disproportionate impact within that community.

If there is a stigmatized difference that is not readily apparent or can be disguised (especially one that [[PubertySuperpower appears when the character is old enough to hide it]]), chances are that characters will try to hide it to avoid being judged, and that if/when their secret [[TheUnmasquedWorld is revealed]], it will come as a definite shock... and invite [[FromBadToWorse invite]] mortal]] [[FinalSolution mortal]] [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust danger]].
12th Nov '17 4:48:28 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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This story is familiar to many real-life minorities, the most well known example being [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jews]], so it's not that surprising that it's so often used in fiction.

In many cases, this trope is a way to introduce themes about minorities into a plot [[ButNotTooForeign without being too specific about what is being referenced]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. In this way, the writer has room to create an effective allegory without any limitations. Though on rare occasion, [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory there is no allegory at all:]] the trope is just the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in.

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This story is familiar to many real-life minorities, the most well known one prominent example being [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jews]], the {{queer|AsTropes}}/LGBT+ community, so it's not that surprising that it's so often used in fiction.

In many cases, this trope is a way to introduce themes about minorities into a plot [[ButNotTooForeign without being too specific about what is being referenced]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. In this way, the writer has room to create an effective allegory without any limitations. Though on rare occasion, [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory there is no allegory at all:]] all]]: the trope is just the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in.
in. Also, besides the queer community, similar circumstances may also apply to other persecuted groups like [[ANiceJewishIndex Jews]] and [[DisabilityTropes disabled folks]], so a metaphor for one such group may be {{applicab|ility}}le to another. For example, in the Franchise/PotterVerse, Creator/JKRowling intended [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent lycanthropy]] to be a FantasticDisability akin to [=HIV/AIDS=], but it works as a queer analogy too -- especially since HIV predominantly affected queer people when it first started spreading, and still has a disproportionate impact within that community.
11th Nov '17 6:23:27 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of fish folk, the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid" has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with.

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* Speaking of fish folk, the UrExample could very well be the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid" "Literature/TheLittleMermaid", which has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with. This would make the trope OlderThanRadio.
11th Nov '17 6:20:58 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Speaking of fish folk, the original literary version of "Literature/TheLittleMermaid" has been [[https://www.themarysue.com/little-mermaid-queer-subtext/ interpreted]] as representing Creator/HansChristianAndersen's own love for a man who he was unable to be with.
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