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28th Mar '17 7:04:26 PM ErikModi
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*** There's also Charles accidentally "outing" Hank McCoy at the CIA facility. Fortunately his boss was cool with it, and only disappointed that Hank didn't feel he could be open about his mutation earlier. Hank even says something along the lines of "YouDidntAsk, so I didn't tell."

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*** There's also Charles accidentally "outing" Hank McCoy [=McCoy=] at the CIA facility. Fortunately his boss was cool with it, and only disappointed that Hank didn't feel he could be open about his mutation earlier. Hank even says something along the lines of "YouDidntAsk, so I didn't tell."
28th Mar '17 7:04:04 PM ErikModi
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*** There's also Charles accidentally "outing" Hank McCoy at the CIA facility. Fortunately his boss was cool with it, and only disappointed that Hank didn't feel he could be open about his mutation earlier. Hank even says something along the lines of "YouDidntAsk, so I didn't tell."
9th Mar '17 9:03:12 PM KaputExaltation
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There's a certain group of people. They have a normal childhood, to an extent, but somewhere along the way, they discover they're ''different''. Not like the other children. Not like their parents. They're something unusual. Something that means they can never fit in. They hide their differences deep away from themselves, but it eats away at them.

Then they find others like them - also living in secret and ostracized from society. A subculture, upholding a [[TheMasquerade masquerade]] of being normal by day, but living out a secret lifestyle in seedy bars and locations. They might [[TrialBalloonQuestion ask their family if they would still love them]], but chances are that if they ever tell their parents, acceptance will be hard, and they'll inevitably be asked, "Have you tried...''not'' being a monster?"

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There's a certain group of people. They have a normal childhood, lives, to an extent, but somewhere along the way, they discover somehow they're ''different''. Not like the other children. Not like their parents.people. They're something unusual. [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Something that means they can never fit in. They in]]. If it's at all possible, they hide their differences deep away from themselves, but it eats away at them.

Then they find others like them - also living
everyone else to fit in. They live in secret and secret, ostracized from society. A subculture, upholding a [[TheMasquerade masquerade]] of being normal by day, but living out a secret lifestyle in seedy bars and locations. They might [[TrialBalloonQuestion ask their family if they would still love them]], but chances out-of-view. Chances are that if they ever tell their parents, acceptance will be hard, and anyone, they'll inevitably be asked, "Have you tried...''not'' being a monster?"
8th Mar '17 8:37:34 PM KaputExaltation
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This story is familiar to many real-life minorities, the most well known example being gay people, so it's not that surprising that it's so often used for various fantastical creatures as well. Often as part of TheMasquerade, you have at least someone hiding who they are from their parents.

In some cases, this appears to be a way to introduce gay themes into a plot [[RuleAbidingRebel without introducing gay characters]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. Some writers go farther and do have gay characters, sometimes [[DontExplainTheJoke making the metaphor explicit in the text]]. In these cases, it can result in certain characters reacting in a way that some real-life people react to gays, but that makes no sense in the actual context.

In its best use, this kind of scene can create an effective allegory. In other cases, it seems to be simply the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in. If there is a stigmatized difference that is not readily apparent or can be disguised (especially one that [[PubertySuperpower appears when the character is old enough to hide it]]), chances are that characters will try to hide it to avoid being judged, and that if/when they [[TheUnmasquedWorld come out]], it'll come as a unpleasant shock to someone.

As one can imagine, this trope can have myriad UnfortunateImplications, especially if the {{Muggles}} have entirely justifiable reasons to fear the fictional entities in question, such as [[HorrorHunger instinctive predatory impulses towards humans]], genuinely being AlwaysChaoticEvil apart from the occasional [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch angsty heroic one]], or being able to [[BewareTheSuperman blow somebody's head off]] by [[EyeBeams glaring at them really hard]]. It is sometimes possible to persuade people that bigotry is wrong, without attracting hostile attention, by using a non-threatening fictional analogy, though. Remember, TropesAreNotBad.

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This story is familiar to many real-life minorities, the most well known example being gay people, [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} Jews]], so it's not that surprising that it's so often used for various fantastical creatures as well. Often as part of TheMasquerade, you have at least someone hiding who they are from their parents.

in fiction.

In some many cases, this appears to be trope is a way to introduce gay themes about minorities into a plot [[RuleAbidingRebel [[ButNotTooForeign without introducing gay characters]] being too specific about what is being referenced]] when creators feel that an [[FantasticRacism allegory or metaphor]] will be [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar less likely to be censored]]. Some writers go farther and do have gay characters, sometimes [[DontExplainTheJoke making the metaphor explicit in the text]]. In these cases, it can result in certain characters reacting in a way that some real-life people react to gays, but that makes no sense in the actual context.

In its best use,
this kind of scene can way, the writer has room to create an effective allegory. In other cases, it seems to be simply allegory without any limitations. Though on rare occasion, [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory there is no allegory at all:]] the trope is just the natural outcome of the circumstances the story is set in. in.

If there is a stigmatized difference that is not readily apparent or can be disguised (especially one that [[PubertySuperpower appears when the character is old enough to hide it]]), chances are that characters will try to hide it to avoid being judged, and that if/when they their secret [[TheUnmasquedWorld come out]], it'll is revealed]], it will come as a unpleasant shock to someone.

definite shock... and [[FromBadToWorse invite]] [[FinalSolution mortal]] [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust danger]].

As one can imagine, this trope can have myriad UnfortunateImplications, especially if the {{Muggles}} have [[InformedWrongness entirely justifiable reasons to fear the fictional entities in question, question]], such as [[HorrorHunger instinctive predatory impulses towards humans]], genuinely being AlwaysChaoticEvil apart from the occasional [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch angsty heroic one]], or being able to [[BewareTheSuperman blow somebody's head off]] by [[EyeBeams glaring at them really hard]]. It is sometimes possible to persuade people That said, remember that bigotry is wrong, without attracting hostile attention, by using a non-threatening fictional analogy, though. Remember, TropesAreNotBad.
2nd Feb '17 6:09:42 PM trulymadmoves
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** In the film Jacob responds: "This isn't a lifestyle choice, I was born like this."

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** In the film Jacob responds: "This isn't a lifestyle choice, I was born like this."" Through a bit of conversation, it becomes clear that she has no problems with [[spoiler:the werewolf pack simply ''being'' werewolves]]; the reason she wants them to stop is that she thinks they're responsible for the mysterious deaths going on in town. Upon being told that they're not, the issue is dropped.
18th Jan '17 11:28:58 AM Bebop
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** TropeNamer. In ''Film/X2XMenUnited'', Bobby Drake's parents find out that he's a mutant and have pretty much exactly this reaction. Complete with his mother asking him if hes tried...'' '''''not''''' ''being a mutant?. The filmmakers consulted Creator/{{Ian McKellen}} for the scene due to his experience being gay during much less forgiving times. Many viewers consider it {{narm}}, but this is likely the ''point,'' as many a homosexual who have endured the 'real' version of the line have likely wondered how close family could seriously ask such an ignorant question. This pops up a second time. When Nightcrawler asks Mystique why she doesn't use her shapeshifting powers to blend in with normal humans, she replies, "Because we shouldn't have to."

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** TropeNamer. In ''Film/X2XMenUnited'', Bobby Drake's parents find out that he's a mutant and have pretty much exactly this reaction. Complete with his mother asking him if if hes tried..."tried...'' '''''not''''' ''being a mutant?. mutant?" The filmmakers consulted Creator/{{Ian McKellen}} for the scene due to his experience being gay during much less forgiving times. Many viewers consider it {{narm}}, but this is likely the ''point,'' as many a homosexual who have endured the 'real' version of the line have likely wondered how close family could seriously ask such an ignorant question. This pops up a second time. When Nightcrawler asks Mystique why she doesn't use her shapeshifting powers to blend in with normal humans, she replies, "Because we shouldn't have to."
9th Jan '17 12:45:48 PM Gregzilla
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-->-- '''Madeline Drake''' (to '''Bobby Drake'''), ''Film/X2XMenUnited''

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-->-- '''Madeline Drake''' (to '''Bobby Drake'''), '''[[ComicBook/{{Iceman}} Bobby Drake]]'''), ''Film/X2XMenUnited''
9th Jan '17 12:45:21 PM Gregzilla
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** TropeNamer. In ''Film/X2XMenUnited'', Bobby Drake's parents find out that he's a mutant and have pretty much exactly this reaction. Complete with his mother asking him if hes tried...'' '''''not''''' ''being a mutant?. The filmmakers consulted Creator/{{Ian McKellen}} for the scene due to his experience being gay during much less forgiving times. Many viewers consider it {{narm}}, but this is likely the ''point,'' as many a homosexual who have endured the 'real' version of the line have likely wondered how close family could seriously ask such an ignorant question.
*** This pops up a second time. When Nightcrawler asks Mystique why she doesn't use her shapeshifting powers to blend in with normal humans, she replies, "Because we shouldn't have to."
** Similarly to the ''X2'' example above, prequel ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' has been confirmed by WordOfGod to [[http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/06/06/236993/x-men-first-class-gay-rights-and-the-intelligence-community/ also include gay-rights themes too.]]
*** The LGBT metaphor is admittedly [[{{Anvilicious}} less subtle]]. Charles and Erik look like average humans and can completely [[PassFail pass for 'normal']], but have still strongly affected their lives. Raven, on the other hand, can pass for "normal" at the cost of it being very exhausting and undermines her self-confidence, making her somewhat of a metaphor for a transgender person. [[spoiler:Raven's comparison is even blatantly explained through a conversation with Erik -- she doesn't have to perfectly "pass" as a non-mutant woman to be beautiful and have worth.]]

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** TropeNamer. In ''Film/X2XMenUnited'', Bobby Drake's parents find out that he's a mutant and have pretty much exactly this reaction. Complete with his mother asking him if hes tried...'' '''''not''''' ''being a mutant?. The filmmakers consulted Creator/{{Ian McKellen}} for the scene due to his experience being gay during much less forgiving times. Many viewers consider it {{narm}}, but this is likely the ''point,'' as many a homosexual who have endured the 'real' version of the line have likely wondered how close family could seriously ask such an ignorant question.
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question. This pops up a second time. When Nightcrawler asks Mystique why she doesn't use her shapeshifting powers to blend in with normal humans, she replies, "Because we shouldn't have to."
** Similarly to the ''X2'' example above, prequel ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' has been confirmed by WordOfGod to [[http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/06/06/236993/x-men-first-class-gay-rights-and-the-intelligence-community/ also include gay-rights themes too.]]
*** The
an LGBT metaphor metaphor, which is admittedly [[{{Anvilicious}} less subtle]]. Charles and Erik look like average humans and can completely [[PassFail pass for 'normal']], but have still strongly affected their lives. Raven, on the other hand, can pass for "normal" at the cost of it being very exhausting and undermines her self-confidence, making her somewhat of a metaphor for a transgender person. [[spoiler:Raven's comparison is even blatantly explained through a conversation with Erik -- she doesn't have to perfectly "pass" as a non-mutant woman to be beautiful and have worth.]]
2nd Jan '17 3:40:16 PM WitchesAndRayGuns
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* In the "Nice Girls" series of vampire romances by Molly Harper, we get this played out pretty much verbatim once the lead character's newly undead status is discovered by her parents. Jane Jameson's mother actually asks if she has tried not being a vampire, and constantly brings her pot pies in the hopes that if she just tries to eat solid food... As the series progresses, Jane's mother joins the "Friends and Family of the Undead" self-help group and gets a "vampire pride" bumper sticker. I have no idea whether Ms Harper was aiming for any form of allegory with this and the books play it all mainly for laughs, but the parallels are obvious.
14th Nov '16 8:16:29 PM Vilui
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{LightNovel/Slayers}}''[[spoiler: ''Next'']] when heroes face the fact that a charming prankster they traveled with is millenia-old and extremely powerful [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Mazoku]]. [[LoveFreak Amelia]], [[LordErrorProne of course]], immediately and [[GenkiGirl passionately]] exhorted to "become a real human". Even ''[[IdiotHero Gourry]]'' saw just how grotesque this was.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''{{LightNovel/Slayers}}''[[spoiler: ''Next'']] when heroes face the fact that a charming prankster they traveled with is millenia-old millennia-old and extremely powerful [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Mazoku]]. [[LoveFreak Amelia]], [[LordErrorProne of course]], immediately and [[GenkiGirl passionately]] exhorted to "become a real human". Even ''[[IdiotHero Gourry]]'' saw just how grotesque this was.
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