History Main / GreyandGrayMorality

5th Feb '16 8:41:01 AM valozzy
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Nuking Sinkholes per ATT.
The result of such a conflict depends on where the story lies on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. At the idealistic end, both sides will eventually realize that fighting is futile and end up putting aside their differences to learn from each other and make a new and better world. At the centre, one side usually ends up crushing the other[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness ;]] this brings about peace, but of a hollow, depressing kind, as a faction with noble ideals has been destroyed. At the cynical end, both sides gradually become more extremist and less sympathetic as the war drags on until eventually [[MightMakesRight the stronger side]] utterly defeats the other, leading to harsh oppression (and/or elimination) of anyone who holds the weaker faction's views, which eventually results in the stronger side [[WrittenByTheWinners writing history books painting them as the noble heroes triumphant against the evil dissidents who threatened their ways]]. That, or both parties simply [[KillEmAll end up destroying each other]], [[DownerEnding so no one wins in the end]].
to:
The result of such a conflict depends on where the story lies on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. At the idealistic end, both sides will eventually realize that fighting is futile and end up putting aside their differences to learn from each other and make a new and better world. At the centre, one side usually ends up crushing the other[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness ;]] other; this brings about peace, but of a hollow, depressing kind, as a faction with noble ideals has been destroyed. At the cynical end, both sides gradually become more extremist and less sympathetic as the war drags on until eventually [[MightMakesRight the stronger side]] utterly defeats the other, leading to harsh oppression (and/or elimination) of anyone who holds the weaker faction's views, which eventually results in the stronger side [[WrittenByTheWinners writing history books painting them as the noble heroes triumphant against the evil dissidents who threatened their ways]]. That, or both parties simply [[KillEmAll end up destroying each other]], [[DownerEnding so no one wins in the end]].
5th Feb '16 1:07:49 AM Blue050645TL
Is there an issue? Send a Message
The result of such a conflict depends on where the story lies on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. At the idealistic end, both sides will eventually realize that fighting is futile and end up putting aside their differences to learn from each other and make a new and better world. At the centre, one side usually ends up crushing the other; this brings about peace, but of a hollow, depressing kind, as a faction with noble ideals has been destroyed. At the cynical end, both sides gradually become more extremist and less sympathetic as the war drags on until eventually [[MightMakesRight the stronger side]] utterly defeats the other, leading to harsh oppression (and/or elimination) of anyone who holds the weaker faction's views, which eventually results in the stronger side [[WrittenByTheWinners writing history books painting them as the noble heroes triumphant against the evil dissidents who threatened their ways]]. That, or both parties simply [[KillEmAll end up destroying each other]], [[DownerEnding so no one wins in the end]].
to:
The result of such a conflict depends on where the story lies on the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. At the idealistic end, both sides will eventually realize that fighting is futile and end up putting aside their differences to learn from each other and make a new and better world. At the centre, one side usually ends up crushing the other; other[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness ;]] this brings about peace, but of a hollow, depressing kind, as a faction with noble ideals has been destroyed. At the cynical end, both sides gradually become more extremist and less sympathetic as the war drags on until eventually [[MightMakesRight the stronger side]] utterly defeats the other, leading to harsh oppression (and/or elimination) of anyone who holds the weaker faction's views, which eventually results in the stronger side [[WrittenByTheWinners writing history books painting them as the noble heroes triumphant against the evil dissidents who threatened their ways]]. That, or both parties simply [[KillEmAll end up destroying each other]], [[DownerEnding so no one wins in the end]].
28th Jan '16 6:13:24 PM Gravidef
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' leans toward this at times. While we're clearly meant to see Archie as a blue-collar bigot with horribly outdated, racist, sexist, and generally socially backward thinking, he's also a [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold overall nice guy]] who loves his daughter, spoils his grandson, had a troubled childhood that [[FreudianExcuse explains most of his nasty behavior]], and is generally trying to keep up with a world that's changing extremely fast. On the other hand, we have Mike, who is a liberal and typically stands for everything Archie doesn't like, including positive ideas including the civil rights movement and equal rights for women. However, he can be just as narrow-minded and selfish as Archie, and perhaps even more so, as he tends to claim a moral high ground in every argument (regardless of whether it's justified). The overall theme of the show seems to be that while there are certain things--such as rape or racial profiling--that are definitely wrong, there aren't any easy answers to major problems like war, poverty, and violence, and both sides are represented by people who are equally good and bad regardless of position.
to:
* ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' leans toward this at times. While we're clearly meant to see Archie as a blue-collar bigot with horribly outdated, racist, sexist, and generally socially backward thinking, he's also a an [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold overall nice guy]] who loves his daughter, spoils his grandson, had a troubled childhood that [[FreudianExcuse explains most of his nasty behavior]], and is generally trying to keep up with a world that's changing extremely fast. On the other hand, we have Mike, who is a liberal and typically stands for everything Archie doesn't like, including positive ideas including the civil rights movement and equal rights for women. However, he can be just as narrow-minded and selfish as Archie, and perhaps even more so, as he tends to claim a moral high ground in every argument (regardless of whether it's justified). The overall theme of the show seems to be that while there are certain things--such as rape or racial profiling--that are definitely wrong, there aren't any easy answers to major problems like war, poverty, and violence, and both sides are represented by people who are equally good and bad regardless of position.
25th Jan '16 9:55:12 AM Gravidef
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
* ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' leans toward this at times. While we're clearly meant to see Archie as a blue-collar bigot with horribly outdated, racist, sexist, and generally socially backward thinking, he's also a [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold overall nice guy]] who loves his daughter, spoils his grandson, had a troubled childhood that [[FreudianExcuse explains most of his nasty behavior]], and is generally trying to keep up with a world that's changing extremely fast. On the other hand, we have Mike, who is a liberal and typically stands for everything Archie doesn't like, including positive ideas including the civil rights movement and equal rights for women. However, he can be just as narrow-minded and selfish as Archie, and perhaps even more so, as he tends to claim a moral high ground in every argument (regardless of whether it's justified). The overall theme of the show seems to be that while there are certain things--such as rape or racial profiling--that are definitely wrong, there aren't any easy answers to major problems like war, poverty, and violence, and both sides are represented by people who are equally good and bad regardless of position. ** Individual episodes of the show had this treatment as well. One Christmas episode saw a draft dodger and a war veteran whose son was killed in Vietnam both at the Bunkers' house simultaneously (though Archie and the veteran didn't know about the draft dodger's status at first). When they find out, Archie reacts with fury, but the veteran responds with kindness and understanding instead of rage. ** In another episode, the Bunkers' door is branded with a swastika. A local member of a Jewish defense league shows up to explain the situation and expresses the philosophy that sometimes violence ''is'' necessary when it comes to fighting back against inequality. Archie agrees, Mike disagrees, and neither is shown as being corect--and in the end, the young man is killed by a car bomb. The final shot of the episode is the Bunkers reacting in horror, as opposed to any further moralizing.
19th Jan '16 11:21:23 AM Willbyr
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* ''FanFic/GoddessRebornChronicle''-[[MegaTen naturally]]. Unusually, the players can fix it or create an apocalypse.
to:
* ''FanFic/GoddessRebornChronicle''-[[MegaTen ''FanFic/GoddessRebornChronicle''-[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei naturally]]. Unusually, the players can fix it or create an apocalypse.
10th Jan '16 4:29:08 AM thatmadork
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel have reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, tech-grabbing conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterised by extreme FantasticRacism. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme...
to:
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel have reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, tech-grabbing conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterised by extreme FantasticRacism. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme... There's also the fact that [[spoiler:the only ending in the game which doesn't involve you betraying and killing your BigBad son is through siding with the Institute, and doing so will mean you'll have to wipe out the sympathetic, helpful Railroad who helped you find him.]]
3rd Jan '16 8:14:52 PM Oddstar6
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
* In the DC miniseries from the eighties ''Conqueror of the Barren Earth'', there really are no good guys. The protagonist, Jinal Ne'Comarr, wants to conquer the world by force of arms and unite it under her leadership, and conquers and sacks any number of towns and cities in the process. She is the closest the series has to a good guy. The closest the series has to a bad guy is Zhengla, a rival warlord who wants to do exactly what Jinal is trying to do. After one battle, he captures her and [[MadeASlave makes her his slave]]. They end up becoming lovers and joining forces to conquer the world together. So the morality of the series is pretty grey.
31st Dec '15 11:12:17 AM Doug86
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* KarakuridoujiUltimo might as well be called ''Grey and Gray Morality: The Series''. The incarnation of Ultimate Good [[spoiler: murders the main character's princess wife in a fit of BlackAndWhiteInsanity]], and that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.
to:
* KarakuridoujiUltimo ''Manga/KarakuridoujiUltimo'' might as well be called ''Grey and Gray Morality: The Series''. The incarnation of Ultimate Good [[spoiler: murders the main character's princess wife in a fit of BlackAndWhiteInsanity]], and that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.
28th Dec '15 1:05:25 PM Cuindless
Is there an issue? Send a Message
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel have reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, tech-grabbing conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterised by extreme FantasticRacism. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one.
to:
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel have reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, tech-grabbing conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterised by extreme FantasticRacism. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme...
24th Dec '15 10:21:43 PM IndirectActiveTransport
Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added DiffLines:
* The Revolution vs Palaestra conflict in Super World Of Sports, a {{homage}} to the various [[RivalDojos dojo wars]] of sumo wrestling and another form of the Wrestling/{{All Japan|ProWrestling}}\Wrestling/{{New Japan|ProWrestling}} rivalry. It crossed over into Grey and Black morality when Geki Dojo entered the picture though, as their manager KY Wakamatsu was transparently evil.
This list shows the last 10 events of 854. Show all.