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18th Aug '16 10:47:16 AM GeniusInTheLamp
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* Very common in Film/TheThreeStooges, as for instance, "Society Mugs," in which Muriel Allen needs an escort to Alice Preston's dinner party, and her maid mistakenly places a telephone call to Acme Exterminators instead of Acme Escorts; HilarityEnsues.

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* Very common in Film/TheThreeStooges, Film/TheThreeStooges (often played by Symona Boniface or Bess Flowers), as for instance, "Society Mugs," in which Muriel Allen (played by Flowers) needs an escort to Alice Preston's dinner party, and her maid mistakenly places a telephone call to Acme Exterminators instead of Acme Escorts; HilarityEnsues.
16th Aug '16 8:46:23 PM Seanette
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* A Grande Dame appears in the "Rhapsody in Blue" section of Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''Disney/{{Fantasia 2000}}''.
2nd Aug '16 9:30:07 AM JamesAustin
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* Creator/BertrandRussell's parents died young, and he was [[RaisedByGrandparents raised by his grandfather and grandmother]], the [[Creator/EarlRussell Earl and Countess Russell]]. Because the Earl was near death and died two years after Bertrand's parents, he spent the longest time under the rule of his grandmother, who, although quite broadminded and indulgent, was also famously formidable and insisted--against her deceased son's wishes--on raising the children as devout Presbyterians. (It didn't stick.)

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* Creator/BertrandRussell's parents died young, and he was [[RaisedByGrandparents raised by his grandfather and grandmother]], the [[Creator/EarlRussell [[UsefulNotes/EarlRussell Earl and Countess Russell]]. Because the Earl was near death and died two years after Bertrand's parents, he spent the longest time under the rule of his grandmother, who, although quite broadminded and indulgent, was also famously formidable and insisted--against her deceased son's wishes--on raising the children as devout Presbyterians. (It didn't stick.)
17th Jul '16 8:52:08 AM TimberRidge
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* ''UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria'' (Vicky), as portrayed by Flashman in the Flashman series of novels by George [=McDonald=] Frasier

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* ''UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria'' (Vicky), as portrayed by Flashman in the Flashman series of novels by George [=McDonald=] FrasierFrasier.
* Abundant in the ''Literature/VillageTales'' series. So far, we've seen the Duke of Taunton's [[NoSenseOfHumor humorless]] sister-in-law Lady Crispin, who is finally old enough to qualify; Lady Agatha Prothero-Fane ("[[MaidenAunt Cousin Agatha]]"), who chooses to live "in the wilds beyond Builth Wells to keep an eye on the Royal Welsh Show" and "emerges at intervals to dispense advise, whether one wants it or not"; and the [[spoiler: late]] Caroline, Lady Douty, who did good works in the villages "in such a way as to make virtue more repugnant than vice." And none of them is on the level of Flora, Countess Dowager of Freuchie, in ''Literature/{{Evensong}}'':
--> '''To Lady Crispin, who is outraged by something her son said regarding her behavior at [[spoiler: Lord Crispin's funeral]]:''' "He oughtn't to have done anything of the sort. [Lady Crispin feels vindicated, for three seconds, until Lady Freuchie goes on:] What he ought to have done what ''I'' should have done was to have boxed your ears. You're making a Judy of yourself, Constance: indeed, a complete exhibition. It's beneath contempt."
27th Jun '16 9:00:56 PM PaulA
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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) . The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''The Rivals'') have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but it was only with the [[VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].

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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) . The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''The Rivals'') ''Theatre/TheRivals'') have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but it was only with the [[VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].
23rd Jun '16 8:19:10 AM IcyTheWitch
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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.



* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.
23rd Jun '16 8:17:32 AM IcyTheWitch
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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.
17th Jun '16 12:05:37 AM PaulA
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* Lady Shrapnell in Connie Wills' ''Literature/ToSayNothingOfTheDog'' is a direct allusion to OscarWilde's Lady Bracknell (''See'' {{Theatre}}, ''below'').

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* Lady Shrapnell in Connie Wills' ''Literature/ToSayNothingOfTheDog'' is a direct allusion to OscarWilde's [[Theatre/TheImportanceOfBeingEarnest Lady Bracknell (''See'' {{Theatre}}, ''below'').Bracknell]].



* Lady Bracknell in Creator/OscarWilde's ''Theatre/TheImportanceOfBeingEarnest'' is one of the grandest -- and one of the ''dame''-dest.
** Subverted in that she has common origins and married up.

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* Lady Bracknell in Creator/OscarWilde's ''Theatre/TheImportanceOfBeingEarnest'' is one of the grandest -- and one of the ''dame''-dest.
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''dame''-dest. Subverted in that she has common origins and married up.
16th Jun '16 8:01:00 PM PaulA
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* In Trollope's Palliser novels: Glencora's aunts, the Countess of Midlothian and the Marchioness of Auld Reekie.

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* In Trollope's Palliser Literature/{{Palliser}} novels: Glencora's aunts, the Countess of Midlothian and the Marchioness of Auld Reekie.
15th Jun '16 9:37:32 PM PaulA
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** How wonderful to find a reference to Trollope. How about Glencora's aunts: The Countess of Midlothian and the Marchioness of Auld Reekie.

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** How wonderful to find a reference to Trollope. How about * In Trollope's Palliser novels: Glencora's aunts: The aunts, the Countess of Midlothian and the Marchioness of Auld Reekie.



* [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga Lady Alys Vorpatril]] is an example of the heroic Grande Dame. As chief social mover and shaker of the planet Barrayar, '''very''' insistent on Things Being Done Properly and a stickler for Protocol, but definitely on the side of the good guys. Villains tend to disregard her because she has no official political power, only to learn to their regret that she has a lot of behind-the-scenes power, due to the fact that she's been the chief social mover and shaker of Barrayar for thirty years, and as a direct result of this knows '''everybody'''.
** The author's ''[[Literature/{{Chalion}} The Curse of Chalion]]'' has the Dowager Provincara. She's a positive and helpful character, though her intense practicality prevents her from properly understanding the mystical nature of the ills plaguing both Chalion and her own daughter Ista.

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* [[Literature/VorkosiganSaga In Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'', Lady Alys Vorpatril]] Vorpatril is an example of the heroic Grande Dame. As chief social mover and shaker of the planet Barrayar, '''very''' insistent on Things Being Done Properly and a stickler for Protocol, but definitely on the side of the good guys. Villains tend to disregard her because she has no official political power, only to learn to their regret that she has a lot of behind-the-scenes power, due to the fact that she's been the chief social mover and shaker of Barrayar for thirty years, and as a direct result of this knows '''everybody'''.
** The author's ''[[Literature/{{Chalion}} The Curse of Chalion]]'' * Bujold's ''Literature/TheCurseOfChalion'' has the Dowager Provincara. She's a positive and helpful character, though her intense practicality prevents her from properly understanding the mystical nature of the ills plaguing both Chalion and her own daughter Ista.



* As is Lady Sybil Vimes in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', though she's a good deal younger than is typical for this trope, and not all that hung up on Respectability either.
** And her pampered pets are [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons dragons]]!

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* As is ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
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Lady Sybil Vimes in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', is the heroic type, though she's a good deal younger than is typical for this trope, and not all that hung up on Respectability either.
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either. And her pampered pets are [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons dragons]]!


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* The stories in ''Literature/TheMysteriousMrQuin'' by Creator/AgathaChristie include several examples, as the protagonist moves in posh social circles.
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