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17th Jun '17 7:36:24 PM karstovich2
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* Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham, on ''Series/DowntonAbbey''. Appropriately enough, she is played by an actual Dame, Maggie Smith.

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* Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham, on ''Series/DowntonAbbey''. Appropriately enough, she is played by an actual Dame, Maggie Smith.Creator/MaggieSmith.
17th Jun '17 7:34:37 PM karstovich2
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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) . The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''Theatre/TheRivals'') have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but it was only with the [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].

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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) .KnightErrant). The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''Theatre/TheRivals'') also have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but culture.

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it was only with the [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].
21st May '17 10:56:17 AM nombretomado
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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) . The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''Theatre/TheRivals'') have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but it was only with the [[VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].

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The trope is nearly always a [[ComedyTropes Comedy Trope]], associated particularly with the Comedy of Manners; as such, it serves as a useful device for mocking social pretensions, and dates back to the ancient Roman plays of Creator/{{Plautus}} and Terence, where the ''Grande Dame'' appeared as the ''Matrona''. She was not used much in the uninhibited [[TheMiddleAges Middle Ages]], but made a comeback as the humorless, self-important ''dueña'' of the 16th and 17th century Spanish theater (SmallNameBigEgo Doña Rodríguez is the only one character stupid enough in all the novel to believe that DonQuixote is a real KnightErrant) . The prude and bluestocking of the Restoration (such as [[Creator/{{Moliere}} Molière's]] [[Theatre/TheMisanthrope Arsinoé]] and his ''Précieuses ridicules'') and Sentimental comedies (for instance, Mrs. Malaprop in Sheridan's ''Theatre/TheRivals'') have some affinities with the type, insofar as they made pretensions to virtue and culture, but it was only with the [[VictorianBritain [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian]] age that the great era of the ''Grande Dame'' opened. Here, with her [[ErmineCapeEffect fur stole]] and her ancestral [[HighClassGlass lorgnette]] in hand, the ''Grande Dame'' quashed social climbers, sought advantageous marriages for her daughters and repelled impossible matches for her sons, and maintained the natural order of Society with frigid hauteur for a good hundred years and more. In England, she was generally in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrett%27s Debrett]] and was called "Lady" something if she didn't have some title or other ("Countess" was particularly imposing); in the US, she was one of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Brahmin Brahmins]] or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_McAllister the Four Hundred]] or the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_families_of_virginia FFV]] and was called "Mrs. Van" Whoozis or Miss Firstname. She will still turn up occasionally, to preside over banquets and to be aghast at the excesses of [[StrawFeminist Feminism]] or the [[TeensAreMonsters Youth movement]] and to wonder why [[YeGoodeOldeDays no young ladies bother to go to the cotillion any more]].
24th Feb '17 7:09:10 AM TFSyndicate
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[[caption-width-right:204:"You'll take no liberties with ''[-ME-]'', my good man." "Indeed, madame, that is the ''[-LAST-]'' thing I should desire!"]]

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[[caption-width-right:204:"You'll take no liberties with ''[-ME-]'', my good man." "Indeed, madame, that is [[caption-width-right:204:"[[Film/DuckSoup Will you marry me? Did your ex leave you any money? Answer the ''[-LAST-]'' thing I should desire!"]]
second question first!]]"]]
13th Feb '17 11:02:26 PM TV4Fun
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-->-- Erroneously attributed to '''UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria'''

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-->-- [[BeamMeUpScotty Erroneously attributed attributed]] to '''UsefulNotes/QueenVictoria'''
20th Jan '17 2:15:59 PM gb00393
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* Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell in ''Series/GameOfThrones''. There are shades of this in the book, but it's Rigg's performance (which has been repeatedly compared to Maggie Smith's aforementioned turn as the Dowager Countess on ''Downton Abbey'') that brings the character definitively into this trope.

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* Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell in ''Series/GameOfThrones''. There are shades of this in the book, but it's Rigg's performance (which has been repeatedly compared to Maggie Smith's aforementioned turn as the Dowager Countess on ''Downton Abbey'') that brings the character definitively into this trope.trope, though she is not humorless.
12th Nov '16 8:41:22 PM WillBGood
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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', in looks anyway-- she's rather cheerful and even cracks a slightly ribald joke ("Let's see what I've got in my drawers!") during her first meeting with Belle.

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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' is a subversion: she looks anyway-- the part but she's rather very cheerful and even cracks a slightly ribald joke ("Let's see what I've got in my drawers!") during her first meeting with Belle.



* Very common in Film/TheThreeStooges (often played by Symona Boniface or Bess Flowers), as for instance, "Society Mugs," in which Muriel Allen (played by Flowers) needs an escort to Alice Preston's dinner party, and her maid mistakenly places a telephone call to Acme Exterminators instead of Acme Escorts; HilarityEnsues.

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* Very common in Film/TheThreeStooges (often played by Symona Boniface or Bess Flowers), as for instance, "Society Mugs," "Termites of 1938" in which Muriel Allen (played by Flowers) needs an escort to Alice Preston's dinner party, and her maid mistakenly places a telephone call to Acme Exterminators instead of Acme Escorts; HilarityEnsues.
12th Nov '16 8:39:15 PM WillBGood
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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.

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* The Wardrobe from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''.''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', in looks anyway-- she's rather cheerful and even cracks a slightly ribald joke ("Let's see what I've got in my drawers!") during her first meeting with Belle.
28th Sep '16 12:08:08 PM eleanorofaquitaine
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* Marya Dmitriyevna Ahkrosimova from ''Theatre/{{Natasha,PierreandtheGreatCometof1812}}''. The lyrics of the prologue even say so!

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* Marya Dmitriyevna Ahkrosimova from ''Theatre/{{Natasha,PierreandtheGreatCometof1812}}''.''Theatre/{{NatashaPierreandtheGreatCometof1812}}''. The lyrics of the prologue even say so!
28th Sep '16 12:07:29 PM eleanorofaquitaine
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* Marya Dmitriyevna Ahkrosimova from ''Theatre/{{Natasha, Pierre and the Great Comet of 1812}}''. The lyrics of the prologue even say so!

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* Marya Dmitriyevna Ahkrosimova from ''Theatre/{{Natasha, Pierre and the Great Comet of 1812}}''.''Theatre/{{Natasha,PierreandtheGreatCometof1812}}''. The lyrics of the prologue even say so!
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