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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story where Jesus himself is arrested and hauled before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It's quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story where Jesus himself is arrested and hauled before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It's quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'': The TropeNamer. In a story-within-the-story where Jesus himself is arrested and hauled before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It's quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* Adam Lee's short story [[https://onlysky.media/alee/the-tempter/ "The Tempter"]] is about his AuthorAvatar meeting a mysterious man known only as [[SatanicArchetype The Tempter]], who tries to convince him that any attempt to promote rationality, human rights, progressive causes, or anything else that could perhaps improve the condition of the human race is doomed to failure, because [[HobbesWasRight humans are fundamentally selfish and hateful beings who would never accept this]], and the Tempter offers him absolute political power in exchange for abandoning all his ideals and principles, which he rejects. Adam admits that [[VillainHasAPoint he doesn't really have any refutation of the Tempter's assessment of humanity]], but says [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers that he opposes him anyway because it's the right thing to do]], and that the only way there is even a chance of breaking the cycle is by refusing to intentionally continue it.
* Adam Lee's short story [[https://onlysky.media/alee/the-tempter/ "The Tempter"]] is about his AuthorAvatar meeting a mysterious man known only as [[SatanicArchetype The Tempter]], who tries to convince him that any attempt to promote rationality, human rights, progressive causes, or anything else that could perhaps improve the condition of the human race is doomed to failure, because [[HobbesWasRight humans are fundamentally selfish and hateful beings who would never accept this]], and the Tempter offers him absolute political power in exchange for abandoning all his ideals and principles, which he rejects. Adam admits that [[VillainHasAPoint he doesn't really have any refutation of the Tempter's assessment of humanity]], but says [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers that he opposes him anyway because it's the right thing to do]], and that the only way there is even a chance of breaking the cycle is by refusing to intentionally continue it.
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* Used as a framing device in the pilot of ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' where Beck is captured after his first outing of disguising himself as Tron and destroying a statue of Clu and interrogated by a red-circuited figure who points out to him that the act of rebellion was foolish. Beck spends the episode arguing why he did it, why he doesn't regret it, and how he believes that belief in the system's champion can stir a revolution. [[spoiler:Even the voice of the "inquisitor" doesn't clearly give things away, given events in ''Film/TronLegacy'', as the audience is led to believe that Tron's already been [[{{Brainwashed}} rectified]], but it ends up a subversion, as the circuits turn back to their original white and blue. Tron hasn't been twisted into Rinzler yet, and he was seeking an apprentice to work on his behalf.]]
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* In ''Literature/DarknessAtNoon'', Rubashov's will is broken down by two scenes of this type, one with Ivanov, the other with Gletkin.
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* In ''Literature/DarknessAtNoon'', Rubashov's will is broken down by two scenes where a SecretPolice member makes him feel meaningless next to the will of this type, the State, one with Ivanov, the other with Gletkin.
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* ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS2E65TheObsoleteMan The Obsolete Man]]", depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth "in the name of God" (he had declared God does not exist previously) to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]
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* ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS2E65TheObsoleteMan "[[Recap/TheTwilightZone1959S2E29TheObsoleteMan The Obsolete Man]]", depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth "in the name of God" (he had declared God does not exist previously) to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]
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* The climax of ''Film/{{Snowpiercer}}'' has RebelLeader Curtis meet Mr. Wilford, the SoleSurvivingScientist perpetuator of the FantasticCasteSystem onboard the train with the last remaining humans. Wilford calmly cooks dinner and greatly shakes Curtis by talking about the need to preserve resources and cull the lower-class population (which caused him to let the rebellion get off the ground when he could have easily stopped it) from his perspective while claiming that Curtis's beloved mentor secretly shared many of Wilford's beliefs and ideals and to make Curtis the next leader of the train. Curtis's resolve gradually weakens throughout the talk, but he ultimately chooses to give Wilford a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown rather than submit to his vision.
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* Adam Lee’s short story [[https://onlysky.media/alee/the-tempter/ “The Tempter”]] is about his AuthorAvatar meeting a mysterious man known only as [[SatanicArchetype The Tempter]], who tries to convince him that any attempt to promote rationality, human rights, progressive causes, or anything else that could perhaps improve the condition of the human race is doomed to failure, because [[HobbesWasRight humans are fundamentally selfish and hateful beings who would never accept this]], and the Tempter offers him absolute political power in exchange for abandoning all his ideals and principles, which he rejects. Adam admits that [[VillainHasAPoint he doesn’t really have any refutation of the Tempter’s assessment of humanity]], but says [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers that he opposes him anyway because it’s the right thing to do]], and that the only way there is even a chance of breaking the cycle is by refusing to intentionally continue it.
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* Adam Lee’s short story [[https://onlysky.media/alee/the-tempter/ “The Tempter”]] is about his AuthorAvatar meeting a mysterious man known only as [[SatanicArchetype The Tempter]], who tries to convince him that any attempt to promote rationality, human rights, progressive causes, or anything else that could perhaps improve the condition of the human race is doomed to failure, because [[HobbesWasRight humans are fundamentally selfish and hateful beings who would never accept this]], and the Tempter offers him absolute political power in exchange for abandoning all his ideals and principles, which he rejects. Adam admits that [[VillainHasAPoint he doesn’t really have any refutation of the Tempter’s assessment of humanity]], but says [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers that he opposes him anyway because it’s the right thing to do]], and that the only way there is even a chance of breaking the cycle is by refusing to intentionally continue it.
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* In ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'', Pontius Pilate (played by Music/DavidBowie), is the inquisitor in his conversation with Jesus Christ (played by Creator/WillemDafoe), where he politely tries to persuade the preacher from Nazareth away from his goals in a very DontMakeMeDestroyYou way. Jesus won't budge. Pilate then tells him that he considers pacifists like Jesus to be "dangerous," before solemnly informing him that he will be crucified at Golgotha which has "3000 skulls," and tells him that he wishes he and other residents of Jerusalem would count those skulls before making the Romans have to add more to the pile.
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* In ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'', Pontius Pilate (played by Music/DavidBowie), is the inquisitor in his conversation with Jesus Christ (played by Creator/WillemDafoe), where he politely tries to persuade the preacher from Nazareth away from his goals in a very DontMakeMeDestroyYou way. Jesus won't budge. Pilate then tells him that he considers pacifists like Jesus to be "dangerous," "more dangerous than the zealots," before solemnly informing him that he will be crucified at Golgotha which has "3000 skulls," and tells him that he wishes he and other residents of Jerusalem would count those skulls before making the Romans have to add more to the pile.
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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story where {{Jesus}} himself is arrested and brought before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It’s quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story where {{Jesus}} Jesus himself is arrested and brought hauled before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It’s quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It’s quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story.story-within-the-story where {{Jesus}} himself is arrested and brought before the Grand Inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? It’s quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't exist, and can't act as a deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.
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* In ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'', Pontius Pilate (played by Music/DavidBowie), is the inquisitor in his conversation with Jesus Christ (played by Creator/WillemDafoe), where he politely tries to persuade the preacher from Nazareth away from his goals in a very DontMakeMeDestroyYou way. Jesus won't budge. Pilate then tells him that he considers pacifists like Jesus to be "dangerous," before solemnly informing him that he will be crucified at Golgotha which has "3000 skulls," and tells him that he wishes he and other residents of Jerusalem would count those skulls before making the Romans have to add more to the pile.
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* In Creator/HarlanEllison's ''"Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman'', the Ticktockman (officially, the Master Timekeeper) does indeed tell Harlequin to repent during their Grand Inquisitor Scene.
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* In Creator/HarlanEllison's ''"Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman'', ''Literature/RepentHarlequinSaidTheTicktockman'', the Ticktockman (officially, the Master Timekeeper) does indeed tell Harlequin to repent during their Grand Inquisitor Scene.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s ''Music/TwentyOneTwelve'', the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s Music/{{Rush|Band}}'s ''Music/TwentyOneTwelve'', the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s ''[[Music/TwentyOneTwelve]]'', the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s ''[[Music/TwentyOneTwelve]]'', ''Music/TwentyOneTwelve'', the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s 2112, the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* Within the overall narrative of Music/{{Rush}}'s 2112, ''[[Music/TwentyOneTwelve]]'', the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.
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* In Creator/JoseSaramago's ''The Gospel According To Jesus Christ'', there's a GrandInquisitorScene between God, Jesus, ''and'' Satan. [[spoiler:Jesus [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wants to be normal]], [[AntiAntiChrist Satan offers to quit]] and leave the world without evil in exchange for God's forgiveness, and [[GodIsFlawed God shuts them both down]] since he needs an evil counterpart and a martyr to TakeOverTheWorld.]]
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