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23rd Jul '15 2:00:59 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' episode ''The Obsolete Man'', depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth in the "name of God" to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]

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* ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' episode ''The "The Obsolete Man'', Man", depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth in the "name of God" to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]
12th Jul '15 7:43:57 AM AllenbysEyes
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* The scenes between the Cigarette-Smoking Man and benevolent alien Jeremiah Smith in Series/TheXFiles episode ''Talitha Cumi'', which are explicitly based on ''The Brothers Karamazov''.
29th Jan '15 5:56:04 AM Fireblood
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** ''Film/TheMatrix'': Agent Smith (as the "official [who] doesn't support the society") during his interrogation of Morpheus. "Humans are a disease, a moral cancer, and we are the cure."

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** ''Film/TheMatrix'': Agent Smith (as the "official [who] doesn't support the society") during his interrogation of Morpheus. "Humans are a disease, a moral cancer, and we cancer of this planet. You're a...plague. And we... are the cure."



* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? Itís quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't matter, and don't act as a deterrent[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]]. His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.

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* TropeNamer: ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'', in a story-within-the-story. The Grand Inquisitor claims Christ sinned by not giving into the temptations because giving in would have meant giving man food, miracles to believe in, and an authority to rule them; here's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ the other wiki's]] explanation. The Grand Inquisitor, and the author of the story, Ivan, believe that Christ should have traded free will and a choice in whether or not to worship God for a comfortable life. It's Ivan's struggle to reconcile an "uncaring" God[[note]]"Listen: if everyone must suffer, in order to buy eternal harmony with their suffering, pray tell me what have children got to do with it? Itís quite incomprehensible why they should have to suffer, and why they should buy harmony with their suffering."[[/note]] and the alternative atheism, which he believes would lead to a world where morals don't matter since heaven and hell don't matter, and don't act as a deterrent[[note]]"If deterrent.[[note]]"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible," so his father's behavior would have been allowed.[[/note]]. [[/note]] His solution is that the Church should rule the world; Christ did not allow this, ergo he "sinned" and the Grand Inquisitor yells at him for it. In other words, man may not live by bread alone--but without it he will surely perish. Most people are not equipped for the kind of hardships Jesus went through. Give them safety and then they can worry about morals.



* The flashback of ''[[Literature/SherlockHolmes A Study in Scarlet]]'' has a member of the Mormon community (originally a Gentile) being questioned by nothing less than Brigham Young himself about his refusal to take multiple wives or marry his daughter to a Mormon.

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* The flashback of ''[[Literature/SherlockHolmes A Study in Scarlet]]'' has a member of the Mormon community (originally a Gentile) being questioned by nothing none less than Brigham Young himself about his refusal to take multiple wives or marry his daughter to a Mormon.
6th Jan '15 2:49:38 PM nombretomado
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* In RayBradbury's "The Flying Machine", a man in ancient China invents a flying machine, and the Emperor informs him that his machine must burn and he must die lest enemies use the contraption to attack the Empire.

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* In RayBradbury's Creator/RayBradbury's "The Flying Machine", a man in ancient China invents a flying machine, and the Emperor informs him that his machine must burn and he must die lest enemies use the contraption to attack the Empire.
5th Dec '14 2:40:51 PM margdean56
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** In ''Saint Joan'', the Inquisitor delivers a long and very convincing speech on the necessity of the Inquistion to a young friar who doubts Joan's heresy.

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** In ''Saint Joan'', the Inquisitor delivers a long and very convincing speech on the necessity of the Inquistion Inquisition to a young friar who doubts Joan's heresy.
29th Nov '14 5:02:01 PM Anddrix
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* ''Literature/TheGiver'': In every session with Jonas, The Giver explains why Sameness exists, and why things are done the way they are done. [[spoiler: He later supports Jonas in bringing the society down.]]

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* ''Literature/TheGiver'': In every session with Jonas, The Giver ''Literature/TheGiver'' explains why Sameness exists, and why things are done the way they are done. [[spoiler: He later supports Jonas in bringing the society down.]]
8th Nov '14 7:34:39 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/TheMatrix''
** (the 1st one): Agent Smith (as the "official [who] doesn't support the society") during his interrogation of Morpheus. "Humans are a disease, a moral cancer, and we are the cure."
** The second film has Neo's confrontation with The Architect. [[spoiler: The Architect explains how The One functions as an instrument of control and why this is the only form of victory humans will ever achieve. Neo says 'screw you' and takes the second option.]]
** The third film has an inversion of the trope when Smith confronts the Oracle (a villain confronting a heroic inquisitor). He mirrors the scene in her kitchen from the first movie and is desperately trying to provoke her into lecturing ''him'' about the system and choice and fate, but she just sits there passively and tells him to GetItOverWith.
* ''{{Equilibrium}}'' finishes on one of these, with the added bonus that the official also doesn't believe it either.

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* ''Film/TheMatrix''
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** (the 1st one): ''Film/TheMatrix'': Agent Smith (as the "official [who] doesn't support the society") during his interrogation of Morpheus. "Humans are a disease, a moral cancer, and we are the cure."
** The second film ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded'' has Neo's confrontation with The Architect. [[spoiler: The Architect explains how The One functions as an instrument of control and why this is the only form of victory humans will ever achieve. Neo says 'screw you' and takes the second option.]]
** The third film ''Film/TheMatrixRevolutions'' has an inversion of the trope when Smith confronts the Oracle (a villain confronting a heroic inquisitor). He mirrors the scene in her kitchen from the first movie and is desperately trying to provoke her into lecturing ''him'' about the system and choice and fate, but she just sits there passively and tells him to GetItOverWith.
* ''{{Equilibrium}}'' ''Film/{{Equilibrium}}'' finishes on one of these, with the added bonus that the official also doesn't believe it either.



* ''TheGiver'': In every session with Jonas, The Giver explains why Sameness exists, and why things are done the way they are done. [[spoiler: He later supports Jonas in bringing the society down.]]
* ''{{Fahrenheit 451}}'': Captain Beatty has a discussion with Montag about why books are banned, because they can potentially be offensive.

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* ''TheGiver'': ''Literature/TheGiver'': In every session with Jonas, The Giver explains why Sameness exists, and why things are done the way they are done. [[spoiler: He later supports Jonas in bringing the society down.]]
* ''{{Fahrenheit ''Literature/{{Fahrenheit 451}}'': Captain Beatty has a discussion with Montag about why books are banned, because they can potentially be offensive.



* The ''[[Series/TheTwilightZone Twilight Zone]]'' episode ''The Obsolete Man'', depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth in the "name of God" to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]

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* The ''[[Series/TheTwilightZone Twilight Zone]]'' ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' episode ''The Obsolete Man'', depicts a future dystopian society where a librarian named Wordsworth, played by Burgess Meredith, is sentenced to death by the chancellor (Fritz Weaver) for being "obsolete". He asks to have the chancellor visit him just before he is about to die, the method of which he is able to choose. They debate the morality of a society where a person's right to live is determined by their worth to the state. Wordsworth then reveals [[spoiler: that they are being televised, and he has chosen to die by having the now locked room set to explode at midnight. After a while, the chancellor begs Wordsworth in the "name of God" to let him go. He does just before the room explodes. The chancellor now is condemned himself for showing cowardice and deemed "obsolete" by the same court he previously presided over.]]



* Within the overall narrative of {{Rush}}'s 2112, the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.

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* Within the overall narrative of {{Rush}}'s Music/{{Rush}}'s 2112, the fourth movement, ''Presentation'', is this from a priest of the Temple of Syrinx to the protagonist.



* Played with in ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. ''Every single faction'' gets several of these, but they also double as {{Author Tract}}s simultaneously and the factions have radically opposing viewpoints.
* Happens between the party and [[BigBad The Magic Emperor]] at the end of LunarSilverStarStoryComplete. It involves the goddess and the role she plays in the world's order and prosperity.

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* Played with in ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''.''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri''. ''Every single faction'' gets several of these, but they also double as {{Author Tract}}s simultaneously and the factions have radically opposing viewpoints.
* Happens between the party and [[BigBad The Magic Emperor]] at the end of LunarSilverStarStoryComplete.''VideoGame/LunarSilverStarStoryComplete''. It involves the goddess and the role she plays in the world's order and prosperity.
11th Oct '14 7:15:33 AM LongLiveHumour
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* The flashback of ''[[SherlockHolmes A Study in Scarlet]]'' has a member of the Mormon community (originally a Gentile) being questioned by nothing less than Brigham Young himself about his refusal to take multiple wives or marry his daughter to a Mormon.

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* The flashback of ''[[SherlockHolmes ''[[Literature/SherlockHolmes A Study in Scarlet]]'' has a member of the Mormon community (originally a Gentile) being questioned by nothing less than Brigham Young himself about his refusal to take multiple wives or marry his daughter to a Mormon.
25th May '14 12:52:39 AM Ramidel
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* Occurs in ''VideoGame/BreathOfFireIII'' between Ryu and [[spoiler: Myria]], where the latter explains her means and goals. The rest of the party get to voice their own opinions before the player decides whether to agree or disagree with the position presented.
15th Feb '14 12:52:11 PM Discar
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* The Patrician in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' gets one of these per novel that he shows up in, although the people he's talking to usually aren't dissidents but people who work for the city and sometimes aren't even disagreeing with him by the time he gives the speech. The one time he gives one to a real enemy of the state or himself is at the end of Discworld/GoingPostal, and even then he's ''still'' trying to recruit the man.

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* The Patrician in ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' gets one of these per novel that he shows up in, although the people he's talking to usually aren't dissidents but people who work for the city and sometimes aren't even disagreeing with him by the time he gives the speech. The one time he gives one to a real enemy of the state or himself is at the end of Discworld/GoingPostal, and even then he's ''still'' trying to recruit the man.



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* Happens between the party and [[BigBad The Magic Emperor]] at the end of LunarSilverStarStoryComplete. It involves the goddess and the role she plays in the world's order and prosperity.
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