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28th May '17 4:11:03 PM Sonofstranger
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** Note that Pinkie ''was'' correct in using "[[https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whodunnit whodunnit/whodunit]]" which means a mystery or detective story, but its [[FridgeLogic accuracy in that situation depends on whether]] [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall she was aware she was in a fictional story]].
25th May '17 5:53:56 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/TheWire'':
** Judge Phelan admonishes Jimmy [=McNulty=] for a report plagued with grammatical mistakes. This is justified, as an official document should be written properly, and also because judges are notorious for being very picky about grammatical errors and other solecisms. The complaint reflects more on [=McNulty=]'s dissipated ways.
** In the pilot, Rawls insists that [=McNulty's=] punishment report be written in a certain format with no spelling mistakes. And be sure to use those little dots. The deputy likes dots. When Jimmy relates his task to his Sergeant, Jay Landsman doesn't give a shit about it.
--->'''Landsman:''' Fuck you and your dots.
** After reading the Major Crimes Unit detail's DoorStopper of a report requesting phone surveillance on the Barksdale gang, Rhonda Pearlman comments, "You guys can't spell for shit."
** Being a grammar watchdog is part of the job description of Gus Haynes, the City editor for ''The Baltimore Sun''. In one of his first scenes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeYwa-DCiWk Gus schools Alma Gutierrez]], a rookie journo, on the usage of "to evacuate". Buildings are evacuated, not people, unless you mean the person is getting an enema. Series creator David Simon was chastised in a similar way [[http://www.vulture.com/2008/01/the_wire_copyediting_scandal_d.html back in the day, but Alma is not entirely incorrect]].
*** Gets a BrickJoke in "Clarifications" when [=McNulty=] and Christeson are looking at a body:
-->'''Christeson:''' This fucking guy stinks.
-->'''Jimmy [=McNulty=]:''' Looks like he evacuated.
-->'''Christeson:''' What? He left and he came back?
-->'''Jimmy [=McNulty=]:''' No, he shit himself.
27th Apr '17 1:27:03 AM XenMon2
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* A rather infamous line in ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has Director Adison correct the PC's grammar from “who” to “whom”, and then ''in the same conversation'' say “less” when she means “fewer”. This could be taken as meaning she isn't quite as smart as she lets on, depending on how generous you are to the writers.



* A rather infamous line in ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has Director Adison correct the PC's grammar from “who” to “whom”, and then ''in the same conversation'' say “less” when she means “fewer”. This could be taken as meaning she isn't quite as smart as she lets on, depending on how generous you are to the writers.
27th Apr '17 1:26:29 AM XenMon2
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* A rather infamous line in ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has Director Adison correct the PC's grammar from “who” to “whom”, and then ''in the same conversation'' say “less” when she means “fewer”. This could be taken as meaning she isn't quite as smart as she lets on, depending on how generous you are to the writers.
25th Apr '17 1:55:34 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* PlayedForDrama in ''Literature/TheGiver''. Proper and precise word use are important in [[CrapsaccharineWorld The Community]]. Jonas was punished for hyperbole when he claimed he was starving. He was also asked to use less vague language when he asked his parents if they loved him. Young children are not given an exemption: Jonas's friend Asher was beaten for saying "smack" instead of "snack" (to clarify, he asked for a "smack" and was given one), and for a time refused to speak at all.

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* PlayedForDrama in ''Literature/TheGiver''. Proper and precise word use are important in [[CrapsaccharineWorld The Community]]. Jonas was punished for hyperbole when he claimed he was starving. He was also asked to use less vague language when he asked his parents if they loved "loved" him. Young children are not given an exemption: Jonas's friend Asher was beaten for saying "smack" instead of "snack" (to clarify, he asked for a "smack" and was given one), and for a time refused to speak at all.



*''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': The Royal Ordercraft Security and Compliance Team insist upon correct, standardized, grammar from those they interact with. Their leader once scolded Eric for saying "can I go" instead of "may I go".



** Examples like that are part of ''why'' linguists avoid prescriptivism. There is no English dialect in which "Am going the store to I" is grammatical, and everyone can tell that immediately. On the other hand, correcting the use of double negatives by an AAVE[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English]] speaker can possibly fall under UnfortunateImplications, with the idea that a standard dialect is inherently superior to all others.

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** Examples like that are part of ''why'' linguists avoid prescriptivism. There is no English dialect in which "Am going the store to I" is grammatical, and everyone can tell that immediately. On the other hand, correcting the use of double negatives by an AAVE[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English]] speaker can possibly fall under UnfortunateImplications, with the idea that a standard dialect is inherently superior to all others.
30th Mar '17 7:20:43 AM BunnyStar
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* In ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'', for Joyelle (a LawfulEvil Devil) [http://danielscreations.com/ola/comics/ep0324.html the use of contractions calls for abuse.]]

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* In ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'', for Joyelle (a LawfulEvil Devil) [http://danielscreations.[[http://danielscreations.com/ola/comics/ep0324.html the use of contractions calls for abuse.]]



'''Linguo:''' Linguo "is" dead. ''(shuts down)''

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'''Linguo:''' Linguo "is" ''is'' dead. ''(shuts down)''
29th Mar '17 9:28:45 AM ScrewySqrl
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It is worth noting that those who are properly educated about such things realise that the prohibitions on split infinitives are artificial and incorrect. Similarly, they will know that it is OK to start a sentence with 'And' or 'But', or to say 'It is me', rather than the supposedly superior 'It is I'.

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It is worth noting that those who are properly educated about such things realise that the prohibitions on split infinitives are artificial and incorrect. Similarly, they will know that it is OK to start a sentence with 'And' or 'But', or to say 'It is me', rather than the supposedly superior 'It is I'.
I'. Professional Linguists are the opposite of Grammar Nazis: they consider "correct" language to be the way its actually used, rather than pinned to specific rules, because language is always ''changing.''
14th Mar '17 6:54:32 PM merotoker
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* Happens in ''Theatre/SeventeenSeventySix'' when, of all people, UsefulNotes/JohnAdams raises an objection to the Declaration of Independence, claiming that UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson used the word 'inalienable' when he should have used "unalienable." Jefferson refused to change it, and Adams withdrew his objection, saying he'd speak to the printer later about it. Funny thing is? [[http://www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/unalienable.htm He did.]]

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* Happens in ''Theatre/SeventeenSeventySix'' when, of all people, UsefulNotes/JohnAdams raises an objection to the Declaration of Independence, claiming that UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson used the word 'inalienable' when he should have used "unalienable." Jefferson refused to change it, and Adams withdrew his objection, saying he'd speak to the printer later about it. Funny thing is? [[http://www.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20160208001500/http://www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/unalienable.htm He did.]]



* In ''[[VideoGame/{{Risen}} Risen 2: Dark Waters]]'', the gnome leader is this of all peo... err, individuals. When learning human language he put so much effort in this that he got the rules better than pretty much all the humans (including the main hero) and is constanlty correcting the conversation partner on proper use of grammar (again, including the main character, which drives him nuts). It stands out especially hard since gnomes in general do not speak human language at all and are not known for their intelligence or regard to any rules.

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* In ''[[VideoGame/{{Risen}} Risen 2: Dark Waters]]'', the gnome leader is this of all peo... err, individuals. When learning human language he put so much effort in this that he got the rules better than pretty much all the humans (including the main hero) and is constanlty constantly correcting the conversation partner on proper use of grammar (again, including the main character, which drives him nuts). It stands out especially hard since gnomes in general do not speak human language at all and are not known for their intelligence or regard to any rules.



* From ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame LEGO Marvel Super Heroes]]'', Captain Britain shows this to a mild degree. He's quick to point out that in Britain, it's f-a-v-o-''u''-r, since he naturally uses British English.

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* From ''[[VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame LEGO Marvel Super Heroes]]'', In ''VideoGame/LEGOMarvelSuperHeroes'', Captain Britain shows this to a mild degree. He's quick to point out that in Britain, it's f-a-v-o-''u''-r, since he naturally uses British English.



* Along the same lines, people on Website/{{Tumblr}} can get very nitpicky when it comes to grammar. The most widespread version of this (almost to the point of [[MemeticMutation memetic levels]] is the difference between [[http://ericpaz.tumblr.com/post/72481233667/why-are-you-even-alive-your-blog-sux-and-your-ugly "your" and "you're".]] [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjm7iVXgc1r57l0bo1_500.png This]] sums it up perfectly.
** Ironically, Tumblr is considered guilty of a brand new range of grammatical errors, including large numbers of posts without capitalization or punctuation.

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* Along the same lines, people on Website/{{Tumblr}} can get very nitpicky when it comes to grammar. The most widespread version of this (almost to the point of [[MemeticMutation memetic levels]] is the difference between [[http://ericpaz.tumblr.com/post/72481233667/why-are-you-even-alive-your-blog-sux-and-your-ugly "your" and "you're".]] [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjm7iVXgc1r57l0bo1_500.png This]] sums it up perfectly.
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perfectly. Ironically, Tumblr is considered guilty of a brand new range of grammatical errors, including large numbers of posts without capitalization or punctuation.



* On ThisVeryWiki, making edits with {{egregious}}ly bad grammar can be [[Administrivia/WhatToDoIfYouAreSuspended grounds for a suspension]]. (We're not ''trying'' to be Grammar Nazis; the mods just don't like our site to look sloppy, understandably enough.) Fortunately, for those in need of writing assistance, the forums offer a thread for you to get help with English [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=b9tcd2k65789p1pglrd92nvr&page=1 here]]. And for the rest of us, remember to just Administrivia/RepairDontRespond.

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* On ThisVeryWiki, [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]], making edits with {{egregious}}ly JustForFun/{{egregious}}ly bad grammar can be [[Administrivia/WhatToDoIfYouAreSuspended grounds for a suspension]]. (We're not ''trying'' to be Grammar Nazis; the mods just don't like our site to look sloppy, understandably enough.) Fortunately, for those in need of writing assistance, the forums offer a thread for you to get help with English [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=b9tcd2k65789p1pglrd92nvr&page=1 here]]. And for the rest of us, remember to just Administrivia/RepairDontRespond.



* {{Averted}} with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, ironically enough; he was an ''appalling'' writer (as anyone who had read ''Literature/MeinKampf'' can attest), as well as a terrible speller. In his native tongue, he was often crude and unsophisticated, at least compared to most politicians and world leaders, to the point where the multi-lingual Italian dictator UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini remarked that ''his own'' German was better.
** The ''original'' - and '''literal''' - Grammar Nazi was Hitler's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust. In 1943-44, when Germany perhaps had bigger things to worry about, Rust tried to force through a standardised version of the German language to be spoken and used in all parts of the Reich, intended to eliminate inconsistencies and establish a single formal version of German. He intended this to be imposed in schools so that the next generation would arise speaking Standard German as he conceived it. It is unknown what penalties would have applied to grammatical and spelling errors, but one assumes there would have been sanctions for people getting it wrong. Ironically, the postwar West German government went ahead with the more sensible and best-thought-out reforms Rust was seeking to introduce, making it one of the few lasting government changes introduced in the Nazi era.

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* {{Averted}} {{Averted|Trope}} with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, ironically enough; he was an ''appalling'' writer (as anyone who had read ''Literature/MeinKampf'' can attest), as well as a terrible speller. In his native tongue, he was often crude and unsophisticated, at least compared to most politicians and world leaders, to the point where the multi-lingual Italian dictator UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini remarked that ''his own'' German was better. \n** The ''original'' - and '''literal''' - Grammar Nazi was Hitler's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust. In 1943-44, when Germany perhaps had bigger things to worry about, Rust tried to force through a standardised version of the German language to be spoken and used in all parts of the Reich, intended to eliminate inconsistencies and establish a single formal version of German. He intended this to be imposed in schools so that the next generation would arise speaking Standard German as he conceived it. It is unknown what penalties would have applied to grammatical and spelling errors, but one assumes there would have been sanctions for people getting it wrong. Ironically, the postwar West German government went ahead with the more sensible and best-thought-out reforms Rust was seeking to introduce, making it one of the few lasting government changes introduced in the Nazi era.



* The late William Safire had for many years two columns in ''[[AmericanNewspapers The New York Times]]'': a weekday one given to conservative political commentary[[note]]He gained his fame as a speechwriter to UsefulNotes/RichardNixon, Spiro Agnew, and a large number of other Republicans with better reputations than those two, and is famous for minting a large number of the political memes of '70s politics.[[/note]] and one in the ''Times'' Sunday magazine entitled "On Language". "On Language" was by far the more famous, as it commented on a variety of issues and trends in American English (and occasionally other languages); many of these were usage and grammar nitpicks, which Safire would manage to make readable and even entertaining to a general audience.

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* The late William Safire had for many years two columns in ''[[AmericanNewspapers ''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanNewspapers The New York Times]]'': a weekday one given to conservative political commentary[[note]]He gained his fame as a speechwriter to UsefulNotes/RichardNixon, Spiro Agnew, and a large number of other Republicans with better reputations than those two, and is famous for minting a large number of the political memes of '70s politics.[[/note]] and one in the ''Times'' Sunday magazine entitled "On Language". "On Language" was by far the more famous, as it commented on a variety of issues and trends in American English (and occasionally other languages); many of these were usage and grammar nitpicks, which Safire would manage to make readable and even entertaining to a general audience.



* Language historians believe this is one possible way to actually ''kill'' a language. As one example, medivian Germany was one of the last countries that had latin as mothertongue. When purists demanded to "clean" latin to return its grammar and vocabulary to that of antique rome, no one could speak it natively anymore and the language just disappeared.
* Just to prove TropesAreNotBad, it's quite possible for anyone so inclined to get a job for a publisher as a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_editing copy editor]] and work as a professional Grammar Nazi, correcting writers' grammar all day for a living.
* Interestingly, [[AvertedTrope averted]] by almost all serious linguists. In linguistics, prescribing how people should talk (a practice creatively named "prescriptivism") is viewed as a cardinal sin- it has been said that the Linguist Mafia will run anybody caught doing it over with a bus. Almost all serious linguists are descriptivists, who only ''describe'' how people talk. If English speakers started frequently phrasing sentences as verb-object-subject with postpositions instead of (or along with) the standard subject-verb-object with prepositions ("I am going to the store" becomes "Am going the store to I"), they wouldn't criticize; would just note the change they and try explain to why happened it.[[note]]They would just note the change and try to explain why it happened[[/note]]

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* Language historians believe this is one possible way to actually ''kill'' a language. As one example, medivian Germany was one of the last countries that had latin Latin as mothertongue. When purists demanded to "clean" latin Latin to return its grammar and vocabulary to that of antique rome, no one could speak it natively anymore and the language just disappeared.
* Just to prove TropesAreNotBad, [[TropesAreTools Tropes Are Not Bad]], it's quite possible for anyone so inclined to get a job for a publisher as a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_editing copy editor]] and work as a professional Grammar Nazi, correcting writers' grammar all day for a living.
* Interestingly, [[AvertedTrope averted]] {{averted|Trope}} by almost all serious linguists. In linguistics, prescribing how people should talk (a practice creatively named "prescriptivism") is viewed as a cardinal sin- it has been said that the Linguist Mafia will run anybody caught doing it over with a bus. Almost all serious linguists are descriptivists, who only ''describe'' how people talk. If English speakers started frequently phrasing sentences as verb-object-subject with postpositions instead of (or along with) the standard subject-verb-object with prepositions ("I am going to the store" becomes "Am going the store to I"), they wouldn't criticize; would just note the change they and try explain to why happened it.[[note]]They would just note the change and try to explain why it happened[[/note]]
9th Mar '17 7:10:01 AM titanmonarch
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--->'''Col. Hans Landa:''' Hiding under the floorboards... I have you now. (''points his gun at the floor to fire'')\\

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--->'''Col. Hans Landa:''' Hiding under the floorboards... floorboards, I have you now.found you. (''points his gun at the floor to fire'')\\
25th Feb '17 3:34:06 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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Somewhere along the line, Grammar Nazis got more into the form than the content. To them, the rules of grammar are SeriousBusiness. The name was, of course, [[AppropriatedAppellation invented and first used]] by people with poor syntax, spelling or punctuation as a snarky way to back at those who corrected their errors. The "grammar" in their name has a broad application, meaning Grammar Nazis will also happily pick on you for any perceived errors in spelling, punctuation, word usage, semantics, syntax, sentence structure, capitalization....

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Somewhere along the line, Grammar Nazis got more into the form than the content. To them, the rules of grammar are SeriousBusiness. The name was, of course, [[AppropriatedAppellation invented and first used]] by people with poor syntax, spelling or punctuation as a snarky way to back at those who corrected their errors. The "grammar" in their name has a broad application, meaning Grammar Nazis will also happily pick on you for any perceived errors in spelling, punctuation, word usage, semantics, syntax, sentence structure, capitalization....
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