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15th Apr '18 8:40:54 PM scooter
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* Music/{{Negativland}}'s Pastor Dick once held a fund-raiser in which he asked callers to confess up to three sins. Sure enough, a young man phoned in that he had ended a sentence with a preposition. (His other sins: taking advantage of a girl in the back seat of a movie theater, and letting his subscription to ''Heavy Metal'' run out.)

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* Music/{{Negativland}}'s Music/Negativland's Pastor Dick once held a fund-raiser in which he asked callers to confess up to three sins. Sure enough, a young man phoned in that he had ended a sentence with a preposition. (His other sins: taking advantage of a girl in the back seat of a movie theater, and letting his subscription to ''Heavy Metal'' run out.))
* For years, the intro for the [[SpeedRound lightning round]] on ''Radio/WaitWaitDontTellMe'' included the line "Each of our players now has sixty seconds to answer as many fill-in-the-blank questions as ''they'' can." At some point in the late [[UsefulNotes/TheNoughties Noughties]] they abruptly abandoned the "singular they" so that the intro now said "...as he or she can," the form in which it remained thereafter.
11th Apr '18 8:42:35 AM Josef5678
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* The bookish and {{adorkable}} Twilight Sparkle in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has shades of this occasionally. In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E24MysteryOnTheFriendshipExpress "MMMystery on the Friendship Express"]] she tries to correct Pinkie Pie talking about a mystery as a "whodunnit" to "who did it", but this only makes Pinkie worse ("who did done dood it").[[note]]Note that Pinkie ''was'' correct in using "[[https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whodunnit whodunnit/whodunit]]" which means a mystery or detective story, but its [[FridgeLogic accuracy in that situation depends on whether]] [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall she was aware she was in a fictional story]].[[/note]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
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The bookish and {{adorkable}} Twilight Sparkle in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has shades of this occasionally. In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E24MysteryOnTheFriendshipExpress "MMMystery on the Friendship Express"]] she tries to correct Pinkie Pie talking about a mystery as a "whodunnit" to "who did it", but this only makes Pinkie worse ("who did done dood it").[[note]]Note that Pinkie ''was'' correct in using "[[https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whodunnit whodunnit/whodunit]]" which means a mystery or detective story, but its [[FridgeLogic accuracy in that situation depends on whether]] [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall she was aware she was in a fictional story]].[[/note]]



-->'''Pinkie Pie''': What ''are'' you doing, anyway?\\

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-->'''Pinkie --->'''Pinkie Pie''': What ''are'' you doing, anyway?\\
10th Apr '18 2:07:01 PM KrspaceT
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has this trope as one of Stannis Baratheon's many strict personality hangups. For an idea of what he's like, see the Game of Throne's entry below in Live Action.
10th Apr '18 7:57:16 AM snichols1973
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** Maud's boyfriend Mudbriar from "The Maud Couple" when he first meets Pinkie Pie:
-->'''Pinkie Pie''': What ''are'' you doing, anyway?\\
'''Mudbriar''': I am currently speaking to a--\\
'''Pinkie Pie''': I mean, can I help you move this along? What are you looking for: rolling pins, cupcake tins, cookie cutters with tails and fins? [''Pinkie starts juggling the aforementioned items'']\\
'''Mudbriar''' [''to a salespony'']: Good-bye.\\
'''Pinkie Pie''': ''That's'' what you've been standing here all this time to say?\\
'''Mudbriar''': I was deciding between "good-bye" and "see you later".\\
'''Pinkie Pie''': Uh... but they're the same thing!\\
'''Mudbriar''': Technically, they're very different. "See you later" implies an event in the near future wherein we see each other; "good-bye" expresses good wishes where parting or at the end of a conversation.\\
'''Pinkie Pie''': Yeah, same thing.\\
'''Mudbriar''': I will not apologize for speaking with precision.\\
'''Pinkie''': In that case, apology ''not'' accepted! Goodbye, see ya later, same thing! [''Pinkie slams the door on Mudbriar'']
9th Apr '18 1:39:44 PM SeizureFerret
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* After losing his job as a police consultant, Series/{{Monk}} applies for work to a magazine. While waiting, he picks up one of their past issues and proofreads it in his spare time. Then he shows it to his interviewer. He gets the job, although one of his corrections is no longer valid. The word "decimate" may have started out as "reduce by 1/10th", it's far wider usage of "destroy completely" has officially been entered into dictionaries as the second meaning.

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* After losing his job as a police consultant, Series/{{Monk}} applies for work to a magazine. While waiting, he picks up one of their past issues and proofreads it in his spare time. Then he shows it to his interviewer. He gets the job, although one of his corrections is no longer valid. The word "decimate" may have started out as "reduce by 1/10th", it's its far wider usage of "destroy completely" has officially been entered into dictionaries as the second meaning.
16th Mar '18 4:04:19 PM nombretomado
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''Note:'' If you feel the urge to correct grammar on ThisVeryWiki, the preferred approach is Administrivia/RepairDontRespond. After all, [[LetsSeeYouDoBetter we all make mistakes sometimes]], and we have the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment to remember.

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''Note:'' If you feel the urge to correct grammar on ThisVeryWiki, Wiki/ThisVeryWiki, the preferred approach is Administrivia/RepairDontRespond. After all, [[LetsSeeYouDoBetter we all make mistakes sometimes]], and we have the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment to remember.
6th Mar '18 9:36:48 AM beergood
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* Father John Misty's AntiLoveSong "The Night Josh Tillman Came To Our Apartment":
-->''She says, like, literally, music is the air she breathes\\
And the [[{{Malaproper}} malaprops]] make me wanna fucking scream\\
I wonder if she even knows what that word means?!\\
Well, it's '''literally''' not that!''
5th Feb '18 6:26:32 AM Siempie
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*** [[TheNthDoctor The Tenth]], in "The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky", corrects someone on their misuse of a 'conditional clause' mainly to irritate the InsufferableGenius who was largely responsible for the catastrophe.

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*** [[TheNthDoctor The Tenth]], in "The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky", corrects someone Luke Rattigan on their his misuse of a 'conditional clause' mainly to irritate the InsufferableGenius who was largely responsible for the catastrophe.catastrophe. Rattigan later gets back at him, as he snottily points out that "ATMOS-system" is incorrect, since the acronym stands for "Atmospheric Emissions System", meaning you're actually saying "[[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment Atmospheric Emissions System system]]".
*** Ten also delivers us this gem from "The End of Time".
--->'''Wilf Mott:''' God bless the cactuses!\\
'''The Doctor:''' That's cact'''i'''.\\
'''Vinvocci:''' [[FantasticRacism That's racist!]]
20th Jan '18 1:56:04 AM StFan
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* Rose Gumbo from ''ComicStrip/RoseIsRose'' is shown to be this in a few strips.

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* %%* Rose Gumbo from ''ComicStrip/RoseIsRose'' is shown to be this in a few strips.



* Joe's mother from ''ComicStrip/JumpStart''.

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* %%* Joe's mother from ''ComicStrip/JumpStart''.



* In VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition's ''Fanfic/WalkingInCircles'', when they finally get to Skyhold and she has become the Inquisitor, Evelyn tries to persuade Solas to forget about “preserving her reputation” and just move in with her by talking in Elvish which she learned from hearing him speaking it for two years. He’s definitely moved by it and agrees, but still tries pointing out she used the wrong verb.

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* In VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition's ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''[='s=] ''Fanfic/WalkingInCircles'', when they finally get to Skyhold and she has become the Inquisitor, Evelyn tries to persuade Solas to forget about “preserving her reputation” and just move in with her by talking in Elvish which she learned from hearing him speaking it for two years. He’s definitely moved by it and agrees, but still tries pointing out she used the wrong verb.



-->'''Yzma:''' Tell us where the talking llama is, and we'll burn your house to the ground!
-->'''Kronk:''' Uh, don't you mean "Or"?
-->'''Yzma:''' ''(sigh)'' Tell us where the talking llama is, '''OR''' we'll burn your house to the ground!

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-->'''Yzma:''' Tell us where the talking llama is, and we'll burn your house to the ground!
-->'''Kronk:'''
ground!\\
'''Kronk:'''
Uh, don't you mean "Or"?
-->'''Yzma:''' ''(sigh)''
"Or"?\\
'''Yzma:''' ''[sigh]''
Tell us where the talking llama is, '''OR''' we'll burn your house to the ground!



* ''{{Alice|AndBob}}'': Where are you from?\\
''Carol'': I am from a place where [[PrepositionsAreNotToEndSentencesWith we don't end sentences with prepositions]].\\
''Alice'': All right, then: Where are you from, [[ThisIsForEmphasisBitch bitch]]?

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* ''{{Alice|AndBob}}'': '''{{Alice|AndBob}}:''' Where are you from?\\
''Carol'': '''Carol:''' I am from a place where [[PrepositionsAreNotToEndSentencesWith we don't end sentences with prepositions]].\\
''Alice'': '''Alice:''' All right, then: Where are you from, [[ThisIsForEmphasisBitch bitch]]?



(''prisoner looks relieved'')\\

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(''prisoner ''[prisoner looks relieved'')\\relieved]''\\



'''O'Neill:''' (''gasping'') You... ended that sentence with a preposition... ''bastard''.

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'''O'Neill:''' (''gasping'') ''[gasping]'' You... ended that sentence with a preposition... ''bastard''.



-->'''Ross:''' (''after reading a very long letter in which this extremely basic error is made numerous times'') Oh oh oh, and by the way, Y-O-U-apostrophe-R-E means "you are". Y-O-U-R MEANS "YOUR"!

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-->'''Ross:''' (''after ''[after reading a very long letter in which this extremely basic error is made numerous times'') times]'' Oh oh oh, and by the way, Y-O-U-apostrophe-R-E means "you are". Y-O-U-R MEANS "YOUR"!



'''Diane:''' (''whispering'') You just ended that sentence with two prepositions...\\

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'''Diane:''' (''whispering'') ''[whispering]'' You just ended that sentence with two prepositions...\\



-->'''Stannis:''' Do your knucklebones bring you luck?\\

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-->'''Stannis:''' --->'''Stannis:''' Do your knucklebones bring you luck?\\



*** This becomes a BrickJoke in Season 5 when a Night's Watch member makes the same error and he corrects him, and again when Davos corrects Jon Snow in Season 7.

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*** ** This becomes a BrickJoke in Season 5 when a Night's Watch member makes the same error and he corrects him, and again when Davos corrects Jon Snow in Season 7.



-->'''Roy''': We don't need no education.
-->'''Moss''': Yes, you do. You just used a double negative.

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-->'''Roy''': -->'''Roy:''' We don't need no education.
-->'''Moss''':
education.\\
'''Moss:'''
Yes, you do. You just used a double negative.



** Being a grammar watchdog is part of the job description of Gus Haynes, the City editor for ''The Baltimore Sun''. In one of his first scenes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeYwa-DCiWk Gus schools Alma Gutierrez]], a rookie journo, on the usage of "to evacuate". Buildings are evacuated, not people, unless you mean the person is getting an enema. Series creator David Simon was chastised in a similar way [[http://www.vulture.com/2008/01/the_wire_copyediting_scandal_d.html back in the day, but Alma is not entirely incorrect]].
*** Gets a BrickJoke in "Clarifications" when [=McNulty=] and Christeson are looking at a body:
-->'''Christeson:''' This fucking guy stinks.
-->'''Jimmy [=McNulty=]:''' Looks like he evacuated.
-->'''Christeson:''' What? He left and he came back?
-->'''Jimmy [=McNulty=]:''' No, he shit himself.

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** Being a grammar watchdog is part of the job description of Gus Haynes, the City editor for ''The Baltimore Sun''. In one of his first scenes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeYwa-DCiWk Gus schools Alma Gutierrez]], a rookie journo, on the usage of "to evacuate". Buildings are evacuated, not people, unless you mean the person is getting an enema. Series creator David Simon was chastised in a similar way [[http://www.vulture.com/2008/01/the_wire_copyediting_scandal_d.html back in the day, but Alma is not entirely incorrect]].
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incorrect]]. Gets a BrickJoke in "Clarifications" when [=McNulty=] and Christeson are looking at a body:
-->'''Christeson:''' --->'''Christeson:''' This fucking guy stinks.
-->'''Jimmy
stinks.\\
'''Jimmy
[=McNulty=]:''' Looks like he evacuated.
-->'''Christeson:'''
evacuated.\\
'''Christeson:'''
What? He left and he came back?
-->'''Jimmy
back?\\
'''Jimmy
[=McNulty=]:''' No, he shit himself.



(''Andre and Raoul give weird looks'')\\

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(''Andre ''[Andre and Raoul give weird looks'')\\looks]''\\



* Valvatorez in ''[[VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten Disgaea 4]]''. He storms the Information Bureau not because it would be a huge blow to [[TheGovernment the Corrupternment]] but because they spelled 'Prinny' wrong in their newspaper.

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* Valvatorez in ''[[VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten Disgaea 4]]''.''VideoGame/Disgaea4APromiseUnforgotten''. He storms the Information Bureau not because it would be a huge blow to [[TheGovernment the Corrupternment]] but because they spelled 'Prinny' wrong in their newspaper.



'''Soldier:''' ''(laughing)'' Mein Gott...\\
'''Jeb:''' ''(hopefully)'' Was that alright?\\

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'''Soldier:''' ''(laughing)'' ''[laughing]'' Mein Gott...\\
'''Jeb:''' ''(hopefully)'' ''[hopefully]'' Was that alright?\\



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* ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'': Strong Bad would often correct people's grammar in the e-mails he received. He could get rather creative with it: "Y-O-U-R. Y-O-U-apostrophe-R-E. They're as different as night and day! Don't you think that night and day are different? What's wrong with you?"
[[/folder]]



* ''Webcomic/CyanideAndHappiness,'':

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* ''Webcomic/CyanideAndHappiness,'':''Webcomic/CyanideAndHappiness'':



--->'''Col. Hans Landa:''' Hiding under the floorboards, I have found you. (''points his gun at the floor to fire'')\\

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--->'''Col. Hans Landa:''' Hiding under the floorboards, I have found you. (''points ''[points his gun at the floor to fire'')\\fire]''\\



'''Shosanna:''' (''below the floorboards'') A dangling participle?\\
'''Col. Hans Landa:''' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone A dangling participle...]] [[spoiler:(''[[DrivenToSuicide shoots himself under the chin]]'')]]

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'''Shosanna:''' (''below ''[below the floorboards'') floorboards]'' A dangling participle?\\
'''Col. Hans Landa:''' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone A dangling participle...]] [[spoiler:(''[[DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler:''[[[DrivenToSuicide shoots himself under the chin]]'')]]chin]]]'']]



* At least one episode of ''[[Creator/DavidMitchellActor David Mitchell's Soapbox]]'' was devoted to David grumpily complaining about people not using the rules of spelling and language properly. This led to an amusing CallBack a few episodes later when his comedy partner Creator/RobertWebb showed up as a guest host, which he basically spent calling David an 'arse' because of this (as well as noting some [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisies]] with another episode where David discussed what he saw as the pointlessness of efforts to preserve the Gallic language).

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* At least one episode of ''[[Creator/DavidMitchellActor David Mitchell's Soapbox]]'' was devoted to David grumpily complaining about people not using the rules of spelling and language properly. This led to an amusing CallBack a few episodes later when his comedy partner Creator/RobertWebb showed up as a guest host, which he basically spent calling David an 'arse' "arse" because of this (as well as noting some [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisies]] with another episode where David discussed what he saw as the pointlessness of efforts to preserve the Gallic language).



* ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner'': Strong Bad would often correct people's grammar in the e-mails he received. He could get rather creative with it: "Y-O-U-R. Y-O-U-apostrophe-R-E. They're as different as night and day! Don't you think that night and day are different? What's wrong with you?"



-->'''Lisa:''' Almost done. Just lay still.\\

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-->'''Lisa:''' --->'''Lisa:''' Almost done. Just lay still.\\



'''Linguo:''' (''{{beat}}'') Must conserve battery power. (''shuts itself down'')
*** Later in the episode, Linguo ends up surrounded by Springfield's resident mafiosos and their terrible English overloads the poor robot, causing him to explode.
--->'''Homer:''' Oh no! Linguo...dead?!\\
'''Linguo:''' Linguo ''is'' dead. ''(shuts down)''

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'''Linguo:''' (''{{beat}}'') ''[{{beat}}]'' Must conserve battery power. (''shuts ''[shuts itself down'')
***
down]''
**
Later in the episode, Linguo ends up surrounded by Springfield's resident mafiosos and their terrible English overloads the poor robot, causing him to explode.
--->'''Homer:''' Oh no! Linguo... dead?!\\
'''Linguo:''' Linguo ''is'' dead. ''(shuts down)''''[shuts down]''



-->'''Bart''': Lisa Leslie, you got game!
-->'''Lisa Leslie''': I think you mean, I ''have'' game. Try to speak correctly.
-->'''Bart''': You go, girl!
-->'''Lisa Leslie''': Yes, I will depart, lest your bad grammar rub off on me.

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-->'''Bart''': --->'''Bart:''' Lisa Leslie, you got game!
-->'''Lisa Leslie''':
game!\\
'''Lisa Leslie:'''
I think you mean, I ''have'' game. Try to speak correctly.
-->'''Bart''':
correctly.\\
'''Bart:'''
You go, girl!
-->'''Lisa Leslie''':
girl!\\
'''Lisa Leslie:'''
Yes, I will depart, lest your bad grammar rub off on me.



* {{Averted|Trope}} with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, ironically enough; he was an ''appalling'' writer (as anyone who had read ''Literature/MeinKampf'' can attest), as well as a terrible speller. In his native tongue, he was often crude and unsophisticated, at least compared to most politicians and world leaders, to the point where the multi-lingual Italian dictator UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini remarked that ''his own'' German was better. The ''original'' - and '''literal''' - Grammar Nazi was Hitler's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust. In 1943-44, when Germany perhaps had bigger things to worry about, Rust tried to force through a standardised version of the German language to be spoken and used in all parts of the Reich, intended to eliminate inconsistencies and establish a single formal version of German. He intended this to be imposed in schools so that the next generation would arise speaking Standard German as he conceived it. It is unknown what penalties would have applied to grammatical and spelling errors, but one assumes there would have been sanctions for people getting it wrong. Ironically, the postwar West German government went ahead with the more sensible and best-thought-out reforms Rust was seeking to introduce, making it one of the few lasting government changes introduced in the Nazi era.
* Played absolutely straight for UsefulNotes/JosephStalin. The man ''hated'' spelling and grammatical errors, and simply could not let them go unremarked when he came across them - two thousand of the books which survive from his personal library have marks and annotations in them where he circled and/or commented upon errors or grammatically acceptable but questionable phrasings. He was also famously self-conscious about his imperfect ability to speak other languages, always possessing a distinct Georgian accent, and after he came to power some people made deliberate pronunciation and grammatical errors of their own when speaking him (to avoid drawing attention to any mistakes he had made).

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* {{Averted|Trope}} with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, ironically enough; he was an ''appalling'' writer (as anyone who had read ''Literature/MeinKampf'' can attest), as well as a terrible speller. In his native tongue, he was often crude and unsophisticated, at least compared to most politicians and world leaders, to the point where the multi-lingual Italian dictator UsefulNotes/BenitoMussolini remarked that ''his own'' German was better. The ''original'' - -- and '''literal''' - -- Grammar Nazi was Hitler's Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust. In 1943-44, when Germany perhaps had bigger things to worry about, Rust tried to force through a standardised version of the German language to be spoken and used in all parts of the Reich, intended to eliminate inconsistencies and establish a single formal version of German. He intended this to be imposed in schools so that the next generation would arise speaking Standard German as he conceived it. It is unknown what penalties would have applied to grammatical and spelling errors, but one assumes there would have been sanctions for people getting it wrong. Ironically, the postwar West German government went ahead with the more sensible and best-thought-out reforms Rust was seeking to introduce, making it one of the few lasting government changes introduced in the Nazi era.
* Played absolutely straight for UsefulNotes/JosephStalin. The man ''hated'' spelling and grammatical errors, and simply could not let them go unremarked when he came across them - -- two thousand of the books which survive from his personal library have marks and annotations in them where he circled and/or commented upon errors or grammatically acceptable but questionable phrasings. He was also famously self-conscious about his imperfect ability to speak other languages, always possessing a distinct Georgian accent, and after he came to power some people made deliberate pronunciation and grammatical errors of their own when speaking to him (to avoid drawing attention to any mistakes he had made).



* The Finnish language actually contains a specific word (''pilkunnussija'') to describe someone who fits this trope. [[PrecisionFStrike The literal English translation of that word is not fit for polite conversation]].[[note]] Although it's safe to say "pilkun" is a comma - obviously a wanton one.[[/note]]

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* The Finnish language actually contains a specific word (''pilkunnussija'') to describe someone who fits this trope. [[PrecisionFStrike The literal English translation of that word is not fit for polite conversation]].[[note]] Although it's safe to say "pilkun" is a comma - -- obviously a wanton one.[[/note]]



* Language historians believe this is one possible way to actually ''kill'' a language. As one example, medivian Germany was one of the last countries that had Latin as mothertongue. When purists demanded to "clean" Latin to return its grammar and vocabulary to that of antique rome, no one could speak it natively anymore and the language just disappeared.

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* Language historians believe this is one possible way to actually ''kill'' a language. As one example, medivian medieval Germany was one of the last countries that had Latin as mothertongue. mother tongue. When purists demanded to "clean" Latin to return its grammar and vocabulary to that of antique rome, no one no-one could speak it natively anymore and the language just disappeared.



* Interestingly, {{averted|Trope}} by almost all serious linguists. In linguistics, prescribing how people should talk (a practice creatively named "prescriptivism") is viewed as a cardinal sin- it has been said that the Linguist Mafia will run anybody caught doing it over with a bus. Almost all serious linguists are descriptivists, who only ''describe'' how people talk. If English speakers started frequently phrasing sentences as verb-object-subject with postpositions instead of (or along with) the standard subject-verb-object with prepositions ("I am going to the store" becomes "Am going the store to I"), they wouldn't criticize; would just note the change they and try explain to why happened it.[[note]]They would just note the change and try to explain why it happened[[/note]]
** Examples like that are part of ''why'' linguists avoid prescriptivism. There is no English dialect in which "Am going the store to I" is grammatical, and everyone can tell that immediately. On the other hand, correcting the use of double negatives by an AAVE[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English]] speaker can possibly fall under the idea that a standard dialect is inherently superior to all others.

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* Interestingly, {{averted|Trope}} by almost all serious linguists. In linguistics, prescribing how people should talk (a practice creatively named "prescriptivism") is viewed as a cardinal sin- sin -- it has been said that the Linguist Mafia will run anybody caught doing it over with a bus. Almost all serious linguists are descriptivists, who only ''describe'' how people talk. If English speakers started frequently phrasing sentences as verb-object-subject with postpositions instead of (or along with) the standard subject-verb-object with prepositions ("I am going to the store" becomes "Am going the store to I"), they wouldn't criticize; would just note the change they and try explain to why happened it.[[note]]They would just note the change and try to explain why it happened[[/note]]
** * Examples like that are part of ''why'' linguists avoid prescriptivism. There is no English dialect in which "Am going the store to I" is grammatical, and everyone can tell that immediately. On the other hand, correcting the use of double negatives by an AAVE[[https://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English]] org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English AAVE]] speaker can possibly fall under the idea that a standard dialect is inherently superior to all others.



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To give an example of how complicated and factious this can become, the French faction believe one is never to split infinitives because Latin and many other European languages cannot. [[PrepositionsAreNotToEndSentencesWith Ending a sentence with a preposition]] is also something they will not tolerate, even if it invariably leads to awkward or confusing renderings [[note]]That is, to use the old joke, it's something up with which they will not put. [[DontExplainTheJoke This is incorrect because]] ''[[DontExplainTheJoke up]]'' [[DontExplainTheJoke is here part of a phrasal verb, not a preposition.]][[/note]]. More moderate Grammar Nazis, ironically, strive to treat English like the Germanic language it is. And in German, Germanic language, ''Infinitiv mit zu'' (infinitive with ''zu'') is never split, although it could be. ''Merke dir, niemals den Infinitiv zu trennen.'' Meanwhile, a Descriptivist will show up to point out that English is free to follow its own grammatical rules and [[JustForFun/ZerothLawOfTropeExamples even Shakespeare was known]] [[SelfDemonstratingArticle to occasionally split an infinitive]]. A FlameWar ensues. Can't we all just get along? No, because [[ComicallyMissingThePoint "along" is a preposition]]....

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To give an example of how complicated and factious this can become, the French faction believe one is never to split infinitives because Latin and many other European languages cannot. [[PrepositionsAreNotToEndSentencesWith Ending a sentence with a preposition]] is also something they will not tolerate, even if it invariably leads to awkward or confusing renderings [[note]]That is, to use the old joke, it's something up with which they will not put. [[DontExplainTheJoke This is incorrect because]] ''[[DontExplainTheJoke up]]'' [[DontExplainTheJoke is here part of a phrasal verb, not a preposition.]][[/note]]. More moderate Grammar Nazis, ironically, strive to treat English like the Germanic language it is. And in German, Germanic language, ''Infinitiv mit zu'' (infinitive with ''zu'') is never split, although it could be. ''Merke dir, niemals den Infinitiv zu trennen.'' Meanwhile, a Descriptivist will show up to point out that English is free to follow its own grammatical rules and [[JustForFun/ZerothLawOfTropeExamples [[JustForFun/TheZerothLawOfTropeExamples even Shakespeare was known]] [[SelfDemonstratingArticle to occasionally split an infinitive]]. A FlameWar ensues. Can't we all just get along? No, because [[ComicallyMissingThePoint "along" is a preposition]]....
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