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26th Nov '16 9:29:57 PM Fireblood
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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.

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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.not.
26th Nov '16 9:29:31 PM Fireblood
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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right.

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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.
24th Aug '16 11:47:20 AM DarkHunter
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* ''Anime/DragonballSuper'': Gowasu, the Supreme Kai and guardian deity of Universe 10, states his opinion that this is true: if evil did not exist to provide conflict and challenges, then good people would have no opportunity to learn and grow. He includes the gods themselves in this, stating that they are not all-wise and even they have lessons they need to learn. This is in contrast to his apprentice Zamasu, who believes that evil should be eliminated entirely, which sounds alright until you realize that anyone who was anything less than perfectly good in Zamasu's eyes would be killed, which includes pretty much ''every mortal being in existence''.
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26th Jul '16 9:50:39 PM PaulA
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* A chapter quote from Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''[[Literature/EarthseaTrilogy A Wizard of Earthsea]]''.
-->Only in silence the word,
-->only in dark the light,
-->only in dying life:
-->bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky.
--->From "The Creation of Ea", an Earthsea poem

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* A chapter quote from Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''[[Literature/EarthseaTrilogy A Wizard of Earthsea]]''.
''Literature/AWizardOfEarthsea''.
-->Only in silence the word,
-->only
word,\\
only
in dark the light,
-->only
light,\\
only
in dying life:
-->bright
life:\\
bright
the hawk's flight on the empty sky.
--->From
sky.\\
-- From
"The Creation of Ea", an Earthsea poem
1st Jul '16 7:04:31 PM eroock
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-->--'''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Joker's Song]] by Music/MiracleOfSound'''

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-->--'''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity -->-- Music/MiracleOfSound, "[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Joker's Song]] by Music/MiracleOfSound'''
Song]]"
1st Jul '16 7:04:00 PM eroock
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->''"We are two of a kind
->Violent, unsound of mind
->You're the yin to my yang, can't you see?
->And if I were to leave
->You would grumble and grieve
->Face it, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bats]]...
->You'd be lost without me!"''

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->''"We are two of a kind
->Violent,
kind\\
Violent,
unsound of mind
->You're
mind\\
You're
the yin to my yang, can't you see?
->And
see?\\
And
if I were to leave
->You
leave\\
You
would grumble and grieve
->Face
grieve\\
Face
it, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bats]]...
->You'd
Bats]]...\\
You'd
be lost without me!"''
1st Jul '16 7:03:36 PM eroock
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->We are two of a kind

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->We ->''"We are two of a kind



->You'd be lost without me!
->--'''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity Joker's Song]] by Music/MiracleOfSound'''

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->You'd be lost without me!
->--'''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity
me!"''
-->--'''[[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity
Joker's Song]] by Music/MiracleOfSound'''
1st Apr '16 11:03:15 PM Fireblood
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* This is the entire ''point'' of ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity''.

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* This is the entire ''point'' of ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity''.''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'' which essentially takes the ''Dragonlance'' example above and makes it happen, with the last villains having to set things right.



* At the end of ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', Rand has the opportunity to [[spoiler:kill the Dark One and end evil forever.]] He then sees a vision of the world that will be created if he does so [[spoiler:one where everyone is mindlessly happy because they lack the ability to choose evil and thus have no true free will]]. This convinces Rand that [[spoiler:people need the Dark One in order to be ''people'' and opts to simply seal it away.]]

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* At the end of ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', Rand has the opportunity to [[spoiler:kill the Dark One and end evil forever.]] He then sees a vision of the world that will be created if he does so [[spoiler:one where everyone is mindlessly happy because they lack the ability to choose evil and thus have no true free will]]. This convinces Rand that [[spoiler:people need the Dark One in order to be ''people'' and opts to simply seal it away.away again.]]



* A different spin on this is pretty standard Christian theology, though: simply put, you can't truly do good if you don't have a choice to do evil. Hence all the bad things in the world--if God got rid of them, he would be taking away our free will so we would just be robots.

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* A different spin on this is pretty standard Christian theology, though: simply put, you can't truly do good if you don't have a choice to do evil. Hence all the bad things in the world--if God got rid of them, he would be taking away our free will so we would just be robots. Of course, some object to this idea (for instance pointing out many bad things which don't come from free will, like diseases).
4th Mar '16 2:33:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is a pervasive theme in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on behind the scene), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.
* During Satan's song in ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', he sings "without evil there could be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes".
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'' - Ommadon the BigBad was allowed to exist because "good would be completely impotent without the contrast of evil."
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* This is a pervasive theme in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on behind the scene), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.



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* During Satan's song in ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', he sings "without evil there could be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes".
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'' - Ommadon the BigBad was allowed to exist because "good would be completely impotent without the contrast of evil."
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4th Mar '16 2:32:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/{{Legend}}''. Just before he's apparently destroyed by the light:

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* ''Film/{{Legend}}''.''Film/{{Legend 1985}}''. Just before he's apparently destroyed by the light:



* ''VampireInBrooklyn'': When Maximillian impersonates Preacher Pauley, he tells the congregation that "evil is good" because you can't appreciate the good things in life without bad things to give contrast.
* This is a pervasive theme in ''WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on behind the scene), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.

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* ''VampireInBrooklyn'': ''Film/VampireInBrooklyn'': When Maximillian impersonates Preacher Pauley, he tells the congregation that "evil is good" because you can't appreciate the good things in life without bad things to give contrast.
* This is a pervasive theme in ''WreckItRalph''.''Disney/WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on behind the scene), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.
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