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* In ''Videogame/DiabloIII'' the titular character of the ''Rise of the Necromancer'' expansion believes in this trope, that the eternal conflict between light and dark is necessary for the stability and survival of the world.
11th May '17 8:31:28 PM Fireblood
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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not.

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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not to fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not.
9th May '17 1:03:14 AM MarkLungo
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek]]", the Doctor tells Rusty that he didn't know who he was until he met the Daleks: not them.

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek]]", the Doctor tells Rusty that he didn't know who he was until he met the Daleks: not them.
9th May '17 1:02:19 AM MarkLungo
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* The major theme of ''Literature/GoodOmens'' is that the forces of Heaven and Hell should be balanced rather than letting one win over the other.

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* The major theme of ''Literature/GoodOmens'' is that the forces of Heaven {{Heaven}} and Hell {{Hell}} should be balanced rather than letting one win over the other.



* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "Into the Dalek", the Doctor tells Rusty that he didn't know who he was until he met the Daleks: not them.

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "Into "[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek", Dalek]]", the Doctor tells Rusty that he didn't know who he was until he met the Daleks: not them.



* A different spin on this is pretty standard Christian theology, though: simply put, you can't truly do good if you don't have a choice to do evil. Hence all the bad things in the world--if God got rid of them, he would be taking away our free will so we would just be robots. Of course, some object to this idea (for instance pointing out many bad things which don't come from free will, like diseases).

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* A different spin on this is pretty standard Christian theology, though: simply put, you can't truly do good if you don't have a choice to do evil. Hence all the bad things in the world--if God {{God}} got rid of them, he would be taking away our free will so we would just be robots. Of course, some object to this idea (for instance pointing out many bad things which don't come from free will, like diseases).
9th May '17 12:51:53 AM MarkLungo
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-->'''Darkness:''' You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are you without me? I am a part of you all. [[AslongAsThereIsEvil You can never defeat me]]. We are brothers... eternal!

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-->'''Darkness:''' You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are you without me? I am a part of you all. [[AslongAsThereIsEvil [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil You can never defeat me]]. We are brothers... eternal!
9th May '17 12:49:10 AM MarkLungo
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* This is a pervasive theme in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on behind the scene), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.
* During Satan's song in ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', he sings "without evil there could be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes".

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* This is a pervasive theme in ''Disney/WreckItRalph''. Felix may be the celebrated hero of his game (and Ralph is the villain who's even looked down on even behind the scene), scenes), but without Ralph to do his part, he's just a guy with a hammer and nothing to use it on. Worse, without Ralph, his game gets flagged as broken and scheduled to be disconnected.
* During Satan's {{Satan}}'s song in ''WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut'', he sings "without evil there could be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes".



* When [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry]] gets possessed, he gives a plausible argument to the Fallen Angel (Lasciel's imprint) that in possessing him, there's a risk of ''making him a better person'' if he survives with his sanity. Given the circumstances, it's not implausible. [[spoiler:Later not only is he a greater force of good, but he ends up turning her into a force of Good once more as she willingly dies to save Harry.]]

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* When [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry]] In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', when Harry gets possessed, possessed he gives a plausible argument to the Fallen Angel (Lasciel's imprint) that in possessing him, there's a risk of ''making him a better person'' if he survives with his sanity. Given the circumstances, it's not implausible. [[spoiler:Later not only is he a greater force of good, but he ends up turning her into a force of Good once more as she willingly dies to save Harry.]]
9th May '17 12:46:12 AM MarkLungo
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Fridge Horror ensues when you think about EVERY BlackAndWhiteMorality story that had a happy ending - without Evil, the story wouldn't exist, and now that evil has been defeated, it's only a matter of time until the forces of good are eventually weakened from the lack of evil and meet a fitting end - like death of old age / corruption / immediate cessation of existence at the end of the story. Think about it - how many {{MMORPG}}s would shut down if all the enemies were taken out of the game?

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Fridge Horror FridgeHorror ensues when you think about EVERY BlackAndWhiteMorality story that had a happy ending - without Evil, the story wouldn't exist, and now that evil has been defeated, it's only a matter of time until the forces of good are eventually weakened from the lack of evil and meet a fitting end - like death of old age / corruption / immediate cessation of existence at the end of the story. Think about it - how many {{MMORPG}}s would shut down if all the enemies were taken out of the game?
9th May '17 12:45:33 AM MarkLungo
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Evil brings out the best in people. Yes, you read that right. Without true evil to fight, Superman would spend his life getting cats out of trees.

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Evil brings out the best in people. Yes, you read that right. Without true evil to fight, Superman Franchise/{{Superman}} would spend his life getting cats out of trees.



* ''Anime/DragonballSuper'': Gowasu, the Supreme Kai and guardian deity of Universe 10, states his opinion that this is true: if evil did not exist to provide conflict and challenges, then good people would have no opportunity to learn and grow. He includes the gods themselves in this, stating that they are not all-wise and even they have lessons they need to learn. This is in contrast to his apprentice Zamasu, who believes that evil should be eliminated entirely, which sounds alright until you realize that anyone who was anything less than perfectly good in Zamasu's eyes would be killed, which includes pretty much ''every mortal being in existence''.

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* ''Anime/DragonballSuper'': ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': Gowasu, the Supreme Kai and guardian deity of Universe 10, states his opinion that this is true: if evil did not exist to provide conflict and challenges, then good people would have no opportunity to learn and grow. He includes the gods themselves in this, stating that they are not all-wise and even they have lessons they need to learn. This is in contrast to his apprentice Zamasu, who believes that evil should be eliminated entirely, which sounds alright until you realize that anyone who was anything less than perfectly good in Zamasu's eyes would be killed, which includes pretty much ''every mortal being in existence''.



* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, especially in the comics, practically defines himself in his opposition to Franchise/{{Batman}}, and feels they need each other, and their eternal struggle of good vs evil, to exist.

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, especially in the comics, practically defines himself in his opposition to Franchise/{{Batman}}, and feels they need each other, and their eternal struggle of good vs evil, to exist.
26th Nov '16 9:29:57 PM Fireblood
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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.

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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.not.
26th Nov '16 9:29:31 PM Fireblood
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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right.

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* During the glory years of the American UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right. Only one local sheriff was {{genre savvy}} enough not fall for it, and completely defeated them. Thankfully most were not like this.
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