Good Needs Evil
We are two of a kind
Violent, unsound of mind
You're the yin to my yang, can't you see?
And if I were to leave
You would grumble and grieve
Face it, Bats...
You'd be lost without me!Black and White Morality story that had a happy ending - without Evil, the story wouldn't exist, and now that evil has been defeated, it's only a matter of time until the forces of good are eventually weakened from the lack of evil and meet a fitting end - like death of old age / corruption / immediate cessation of existence at the end of the story. Think about it - how many MMORPGs would shut down if all the enemies were taken out of the game? See also Balance Between Good and Evil, which is usually more supernatural.
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- The Joker, especially in the comics, practically defines himself in his opposition to Batman, and feels they need each other, and their eternal struggle of good vs evil, to exist.
- Zoom, the second Reverse-Flash, works on the principle that he's making the heroes greater by giving them tragedy to overcome.
- Inverted when the original Professor Zoom returned. Because his powers came from the Flash, the one thing he could never do was the only thing he wanted to do: kill Barry Allen.
- So long as there is The Sentry, so too must there be the Void.
- The Fifth Element: Zorg's perfect example of the Broken Window Fallacy:
"Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Now take this empty glass. Here it is: peaceful, serene, boring. But if it is destroyed..." (Pushes the glass off the table. It shatters on the floor, and several small machines come out to clean it up) "...Look at all these little things! So busy now! Notice how each one is useful. A lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color. Now, think about all those people that created them. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of people, who will be able to feed their children tonight, so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain of life. You see, father, by causing a little destruction, I am in fact encouraging life. In reality, you and I are in the same business."
- Of course the priest he's talking to immediately shows just how his argument is flawed.
- Legend. Just before he's apparently destroyed by the light:
Darkness: You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are you without me? I am a part of you all. You can never defeat me. We are brothers... eternal!
- Mihail Bulgakov's novel The Master and Margarita has Professor Woland, an avatar of Satan, schooling Matthew Levi: "You spoke your words as though you denied the very existence of the shadows or of evil. Think, now: where would your good be if there were no evil and what would the world look like without shadow? Shadows are thrown by people and things. There's the shadow of my sword, for instance. But shadows are also cast by trees and living things. Do you want to strip the whole globe by removing every tree and every creature to satisfy your fantasy of a bare world? You're stupid."
- The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge. After being criticized for going on a crime spree, "Slippery Jim" diGriz explains that the government will reimburse the institutions he robbed, and that the crimes provided excitement for the populace, increased the sale of newspapers, provided exercise for the police and the opportunity for field exercises by the military. He suggests that he should be paid for this instead of punished.
- A chapter quote from Ursula K. Le Guin's A Wizard of Earthsea.
Only in silence the word,only in dark the light,only in dying life:bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky.From "The Creation of Ea", an Earthsea poem
- A major theme in Paradise Lost.
- Some of the Dragonlance books have a darker take on this. The god of good in this setting is a Well-Intentioned Extremist with impossibly high standards, and he'd like to see all villains redeemed (through brainwashing if necessary), or else slain. If he actually beat the forces of evil, he'd become just as bad.
- In a nutshell, good needs evil to have something to fight against. If no outside targets are forthcoming, some of the good becomes evil to fight against itself.
- This is the entire point of Villains by Necessity.
- When Harry gets possessed, he gives a plausible argument to the Fallen Angel (Lasciel's imprint) that in possessing him, there's a risk of making him a better person if he survives with his sanity. Given the circumstances, it's not implausible. Later not only is he a greater force of good, but he ends up turning her into a force of Good once more as she willingly dies to save Harry.
- The major theme of Good Omens is that the forces of Heaven and Hell should be balanced rather than letting one win over the other.
- Lord Vetinari explains it to Captain Vimes at the end of Guards! Guards! this way:
"I'm sorry if this offends you,' he added, patting the captain's shoulder, "but you fellows really need us."
"Yes, sir?" said Vimes quietly.
"Oh, yes. We're the only ones who know how to make things work. You see, the only thing the good people are good at is overthrowing the bad people. And you're good at that, I'll grant you. But the trouble is that it's the only thing you're good at. One day it's the ringing of the bells and the casting down of the evil tyrant, and the next it's everyone sitting around complaining that ever since the tyrant was overthrown no-one's been taking out the trash."
- At the end of The Wheel of Time, Rand has the opportunity to kill the Dark One and end evil forever. He then sees a vision of the world that will be created if he does so one where everyone is mindlessly happy because they lack the ability to choose evil and thus have no true free will. This convinces Rand that people need the Dark One in order to be people and opts to simply seal it away.
- In the Doctor Who episode "Into the Dalek", the Doctor tells Rusty that he didn't know who he was until he met the Daleks: not them.
- In Supernatural this is inverted by Amara the Darkness. She scoffs at the notion that she wants a world full of evil and asks Crowley if he seriously believes the world would be better off if everyone was evil. Crowley admits that corruptors like him would be bored and out of a job if there was no good left to corrupt. Evil needs Good.
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- Defied by the apostle Paul in The Bible, against people who rationalized this as an excuse to keep doing things they know are sinful:
Romans 6:1-2: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
- A different spin on this is pretty standard Christian theology, though: simply put, you can't truly do good if you don't have a choice to do evil. Hence all the bad things in the world-if God got rid of them, he would be taking away our free will so we would just be robots.
- Disgaea 3. The entire plot of the game was planned out by the Super Hero Aurum, the greatest hero of mankind, in order to raise Mao into being the Strongest Overlord... because, having defeated the PREVIOUS Strongest Overlord, Mao's father, he found himself bereft of a purpose. At the very end, he gives a whole speech about how the one thing a hero truly NEEDS, is a VILLAIN. Without an evil to fight, a hero is just a man - unimportant and soon forgotten. Because of that, Aurum spent 200 years disguised as a demon, raising Mao to be evil and powerful, and pushing him towards genocidal anger against humanity - just so he'd be able to swoop in in the last second and stop him. In the 'Bad' ending, he actually succeeds on the first part, and Mao invades and attacks the human world - but when Aurum tries to stop him, he unwittingly pushes Mao's Berserk Button by killing off his childhood friend, Raspberyl, sending Mao into a Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum. So really, it might be considered an inversion of this trope, though matching nicely with the current name...
- A variation in Red Dead Redemption; Dutch Van der Linde says that after the law enforcement agents beat him, they'll need another monster to justify their paycheck, so they'll create one if they have to. Admittedly, neither side can be considered wholly good or evil, but the principle is the same.
- In Interviewing Leather, Leather asserts this philosophy, claiming not only that Good Needs Evil, but that the superheroes need villains not to just be "porn stars in capes." The protagonist, who is developing Stockholm Syndrome, buys into it until Darkhood shows up and the series switches from Deconstruction to Reconstruction.
- In Worm, Tattletale has a variation on this which she calls "Cops and Robbers", arguing that the superheroes are like football teams, and the less dangerous villains provide opposition for the public to cheer against.
- A recent study of Carnegie Mellon University and University Of Pittsburgh students seems to indicate that honesty goes up when an "outsider" is said to have cheated and goes down when an "insider" is said to have cheated. This, of course, is not a case of good needing evil, but of some of the paragons of Good refusing to associate with Evil traits.
- This trope is one of many, many theodicies presented as a response to the question of the "Problem of Evil", which asks "Why does an all-powerful, all-knowing, morally perfect God allow bad things to happen to good people?" Unfortunately the Problem is paradoxical in nature, so even if we assume evil is necessary, it still leaves 'gratuitous evil' (such as cancer) unexplained. The idea that good is impotent without evil does not maintain free will, nor build people's character.
- If deviance against significant social norms (e.g. laws and international treaties) were to be successfully eliminated, professions related to law enforcement, judiciaries, and rehabilitation would become victims of their own successes and cease to exist.
- During the glory years of the American Civil Rights Movement, Martin Luther King Jr. would try to set up protests in Southern cities he knew were run by brutal bigots like "Bull" Connor in Birmingham, Alabama. In short, King gambled that those bullies would be so heavy-handed in front of TV cameras that viewers across the nation would be outraged at the violence. As it happened, most of those foes took the bait with vicious gusto, therefore proving him right.