History Main / GoodIsOldFashioned

17th May '18 11:24:51 PM Horizon9
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* Depressingly enough, the idea that democracy is aimless mob rule and that enlightened tyranny was the way forward was actually a ''very'' popular viewpoint among turn of the century intellectuals, with Nietzsche being the [[TropeMakers Trope Maker]]. Many average people believed it too, feeling that a strong nationalistic leader who would put the good of the people first was preferable to elected bodies that would squabble at best and line their own pockets at worst. It took World War II to demolish that perspective by demonstrating just how disastrously ''bad'' it can be when you give [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one man]], obsessed with protecting "his" people, absolute power.

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* Depressingly enough, the The idea that democracy is aimless mob rule and that enlightened tyranny was the way forward was actually a ''very'' popular viewpoint among turn of the century intellectuals, with Nietzsche being the [[TropeMakers Trope Maker]]. Many average people believed it too, feeling that a strong nationalistic leader who would put the good of the people first was preferable to elected bodies that would squabble at best and line their own pockets at worst. It took World War II to demolish that perspective by demonstrating just how disastrously ''bad'' it can be when you give [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one man]], obsessed with protecting "his" people, absolute power.perspective.
26th Feb '18 5:47:26 PM nombretomado
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* Embodied in Kondou in ''VisualNovel/{{Hakuouki}}'' who is the most idealistic out of TheShinsengumi but also the slowest to understand that it is [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Japanese Warrior]] and Westernization is becoming prevalent in Japan. It's telling that when the rest of the captains cut their hair and don Western-style clothing to adapt to the times, Kondou is the only one dressing in the traditional style he always wore.

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* Embodied in Kondou in ''VisualNovel/{{Hakuouki}}'' who is the most idealistic out of TheShinsengumi UsefulNotes/TheShinsengumi but also the slowest to understand that it is [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Japanese Warrior]] and Westernization is becoming prevalent in Japan. It's telling that when the rest of the captains cut their hair and don Western-style clothing to adapt to the times, Kondou is the only one dressing in the traditional style he always wore.
24th Nov '17 7:25:34 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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*In ''Series/{{Spooks}},'' a group of conspirators plotting the overthrow of the British government sneer at the way the protagonists "still cling to this outdated notion of democracy."
21st Nov '17 7:17:58 PM samgj
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* It wasn't just ThoseWackyNazis, the ''real'' Nazis, and the Italian Fascists who came before them, came to power largely by arguing that things like liberal democracy and individual rights (as opposed to the "common good") were outdated concepts and that totalitarian dictatorship was the way of the future. In keeping with this trope "pragmatic" was, in fact, one of Mussolini's favorite words (though Mussolini was decidedly less evil than modern guilt by association makes him out to be).

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* It wasn't just ThoseWackyNazis, the ''real'' Nazis, and the Italian Fascists who came before them, came to power largely by arguing that things like liberal democracy and individual rights (as opposed to the "common good") were outdated concepts and that totalitarian dictatorship was the way of the future. In keeping with this trope "pragmatic" was, in fact, one of Mussolini's favorite words (though Mussolini was decidedly less evil than modern guilt by association makes him out to be).words.
23rd Apr '17 1:57:07 AM CountDorku
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* Exhumans in ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' believe the Fall proved morality didn't work as a concept, and as such consider themselves AboveGoodAndEvil and dismiss anyone who disagrees with this. Firewall believes the exhumans' habits of doing horrible things means they are ''not'' above good and evil and are simply dangerous, power-crazed jerks.
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28th Mar '17 9:11:25 AM Rhodes7
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* Played with, if probably unintentionally, by ''Literature/{{Victoria}}''. The protagonists are definitely old-fashioned, fighting to reinstate the culture, technology and aesthetic of the rural 1930s, while rejecting all the ideological underpinnings of the Enlightenment. How ''good'' they are is... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement up for some debate.]]
14th Mar '17 9:13:45 AM HeroGal2347
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* In the video series ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresInOdyssey'', "Baby Daze", the BigBad calls Eugene's morals "outdated."

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* In the video series ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresInOdyssey'', "Baby Daze", "[[Recap/AdventuresInOdysseyVideoSeriesE13BabyDaze Baby Daze]]", the BigBad calls Eugene's morals "outdated."
13th Mar '17 7:19:38 AM Couran
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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill was known to be old fashioned for his time, being culturally much more at home in the Victorian era of his youth. His speeches were full of historical references, whether to English history or to the classical era, and he had a tendency to go on about WoodenShipsAndIronMen or the Middle Ages, always evoking a kind of HollywoodHistory to inspire the British people. He remained a believer in UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire well past the point that it was fashionable, and as soon as the war in Europe ended, the British people voted him out because they sensed that he was too much of a historical relic to lead them in the postwar years. All that being said, his historical imagination and [[GoodIsOldFashioned respect for tradition]] helped him see that the kind of modernity the Nazis advocated would lead to a pretty horrifying future.

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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill was known to be old fashioned for his time, being culturally much more at home in the Victorian era of his youth. His speeches were full of historical references, whether to English history or to the classical era, and he had a tendency to go on about WoodenShipsAndIronMen or the Middle Ages, always evoking a kind of HollywoodHistory to inspire the British people. He remained a believer in UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire well past the point that it was fashionable, and as soon as the war in Europe ended, the British people voted him out because they sensed that he was too much of a historical relic to lead them in the postwar years.fashionable. All that being said, his historical imagination and [[GoodIsOldFashioned respect for tradition]] helped him see that the kind of modernity the Nazis advocated would lead to a pretty horrifying future.
19th Dec '16 11:49:51 PM Tron80
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--> '''Jason:''' ''I don't know what clouds your judgment worse. Your guilt or your antiquated sense of morality.''

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--> ---> '''Jason:''' ''I don't know what clouds your judgment worse. Your guilt or your antiquated sense of morality.''



--> Robin: The old Batman would never [[PayEvilUntoEvil descend to their level!]]
--> Azrael: The old Batman was created for older times. There's no place for kid gloves now. Evil has lost its patience. Obeying rules and codes the other side has trashed is ''stupid.''

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--> ---> Robin: The old Batman would never [[PayEvilUntoEvil descend to their level!]]
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level!]]\\
Azrael: The old Batman was created for older times. There's no place for kid gloves now. Evil has lost its patience. Obeying rules and codes the other side has trashed is ''stupid.''


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* In ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' story ''Comicbook/TheSupergirlFromKrypton'' it's defied by Batman, who states that people who think Superman is an outdated boy-scout are unable to see him for the hero he is.
13th Jul '16 1:46:23 AM WillBGood
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** GeniusBonus: The two fellows are [[InkSuitActor Ink-Suit Cameos]] of Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston, the last surviving members of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney%27s_Nine_Old_Men Disney's "Nine Old Men".]]
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