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22nd Jan '18 12:37:27 PM marcoasalazarm
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-->'''Kirk''': ''Let'' them die!

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-->'''Kirk''': ''Let'' them die!die! (Interestingly enough, Creator/WilliamShatner then acted out Kirk having an immediate MyGodWhatHaveIDone reaction to his outburst, but this was cut out of the final film).
5th Jan '18 4:13:31 AM aaronupright
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-->-- '''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_S._Power General Thomas S. Power]]''', Commander-in-Chief of USAF Strategic Air Command[[note]] charged with the delivery of the USA's anti-city nuclear weapons to the USSR [[/note]] 1957-1964

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-->-- '''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_S._Power General Thomas S. Power]]''', Commander-in-Chief of USAF Strategic Air Command[[note]] charged with the delivery of the USA's anti-city nuclear weapons to the USSR USSR. Which led to a hilarious riposte from another officer; who stated that "one of the Americans, better be a woman". [[/note]] 1957-1964


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This trope, while a common one, is actually a fairly unrealistic. It has its origins in the Bombing campaigns of World War II, when the British and the American political leadership permitted senior officers to undertake operations and campiagns, pretty much at their discretion.[[note]]Churchill was appalled at the Dresdan bombing as well as that of other German cities, but he deferred to his Generals. And US Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, discovered about the whole scale firebombing of Tokyo, from the newspaper. Although modern historians now are of the view that it was more a case of officers misrepresenting what they inteded to do, area bombing over prescion attacks, as opposed to the target itself. [[/note]] However,this was a case of senior officers being give wode leverage as to the conduct of the war, rather than unauthroised operations, which is the heart of this trope.Military operations are a highly complicted and intricate undertaking, requiring the coordinated actions of several different and disaprate units and formations, to be effective and all but the highest ranking General Ripper will have direct authority over only a few. At the highest levels, its less General Ripper and more "national policy". For instance, to undertake an aerial bombardment, a General commanding a wing of Bombers, needs farily uptodate information about the target area, enemy assets, and tanker and Electronic Warfare support, all of which come from other units, not under his control, who might wonder why exactly they are being asked to act that way. In fact, its a common joke amongst military types, that the real General Ripper is one who does not move when he is supposed to; and real life shows that this is the most common method of "rogue" Generals.
23rd Dec '17 12:18:33 AM marcoasalazarm
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%%* The Holy Britannian Empire of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is full of these.

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%%* * The Holy Britannian Empire of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is full of these.these. They don't just win fights--they won't be satisfied until everybody they deem a threat (and many, '''many''' other people that are standing in the way but are ethnically the same) is completely annihilated. The ones that can be considered the OnlySaneEmployee (like Euphemia) at least try to reduce collateral damage.
22nd Dec '17 11:59:12 PM ReddishGuy1
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* The Holy Britannian Empire of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is full of these.

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* %%* The Holy Britannian Empire of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is full of these.
15th Dec '17 1:19:15 PM blerg223
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* The Duke of Westleton from ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' has an obsession and hatred for "sorceresses" like [[AnIcePerson Queen Elsa]], and it eventually drives him over the edge.

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* The Duke of Westleton from ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' has an obsession and hatred for "sorceresses" like [[AnIcePerson Queen Elsa]], and it eventually drives him over the edge.
12th Dec '17 8:09:54 AM ScandalousWaheela
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* Every captain in the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' franchise have each [[HeWhoFightsMonsters come to the brink]] of becoming General Rippers, before pulling back: Captain Kirk in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' (Klingons); Captain Picard in ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (Borg); Captain Sisko in the latter seasons of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' (The Maquis and later The Dominion); Captain Janeway in the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS5E25S6E1Equinox Equinox]]" (Captain Ransom, he himself a bona fide General Ripper ironically enough, and his crew of the titular ship), and Captain Archer in the latter half of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' (The Xindi).

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* Every captain in the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' franchise have each [[HeWhoFightsMonsters come to the brink]] of becoming General Rippers, before pulling back: Captain Kirk in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' (Klingons); Captain Picard in ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'' (Borg); Captain Sisko in the latter seasons of ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' (The Maquis and later The Dominion); Captain Janeway in the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS5E25S6E1Equinox Equinox]]" (Captain Ransom, he himself a bona fide General Ripper ironically enough, and his crew of the titular ship), and Captain Archer in the latter half of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' (The Xindi). [[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Captain Lorca]] ''started'' as a borderline General Ripper, having been brutally traumatized during an early action in TheWar, but has flashes of a more human past.
7th Dec '17 1:38:17 AM marcoasalazarm
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** The {{Trope Namer|s}}, Air Force General Jack D. Ripper (Creator/SterlingHayden), is the epitome of cool, collected calm, despite being completely insane. If you were to watch a dubbed version in a language you didn't understand, you could easily be excused for thinking he's the one rational person in the film.
** Turgidson (also mentioned above), on the other hand, is clearly channeling his inner three-year-old and having a great time playing soldiers (watch him explaining how the bomber could avoid radar if you doubt this). However, despite being less restrained, he is saner and more reasonable than Ripper and [[spoiler: [[ProperlyParanoid is right about the Soviet ambassador trying to spy]] on TheBigBoard]]. [[note]]Interestingly, George C. Scott originally did a more restrained and composed performance, but was convinced by Stanley Kubrick to do the over-the-top performance as "practice" and to entertain the crew.[[/note]]

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** The {{Trope Namer|s}}, Air Force General Jack D. Ripper (Creator/SterlingHayden), is the epitome of cool, collected calm, despite being completely insane. If you were to watch a dubbed version in a language you didn't understand, you could easily be excused for thinking he's the one rational person in the film.
film. Also an UnbuiltTrope because, while many other examples that FollowTheLeader on this page are belligerent psychos that make you wonder how the hell can maintain their careers, ''the'' Ripper's MaskOfSanity is the very reason he was able to get access to "Plan R" and the capacity to nuke the living hell out of Russia, and the reason for his ImproperlyParanoid attitude is as silly (or chillingly [[EvilIsPetty petty]]) as it will ''ever'' get: [[spoiler:he's blaming the Russians for his sexual impotence.]]
** Turgidson (also mentioned above), on the other hand, is clearly channeling his inner three-year-old and having a great time playing soldiers (watch him explaining how the bomber could avoid radar if you doubt this). However, despite being less restrained, he is saner and more reasonable than Ripper and [[spoiler: [[ProperlyParanoid [[spoiler:[[ProperlyParanoid is right about the Soviet ambassador trying to spy]] on TheBigBoard]]. [[note]]Interestingly, George C. Scott originally did a more restrained and composed performance, but was convinced by Stanley Kubrick to do the over-the-top performance as "practice" and to entertain the crew.[[/note]][[/note]] Also an UnbuiltTrope because his belligerent attitude makes President Muffley ask him to shut the hell up and when he figures out how big the risks are he at least has the conscience to have ''one'' moment to act incredibly horrified about it.
20th Nov '17 9:10:48 PM Crackalacking
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* ''Manga/FairyTail:'' [[PraetorianGuard The Spriggan Twelve]] of [[TheEmpire Alvarez]] has [[RedBaron the Winter General,]] Invel Yura. He may not look like much, but if he feels like it, he can be just as cruel and brutal as [[BigBad Zeref]] in combat. [[spoiler: [[SadisticChoice Just ask]] [[MoralEventHorizon Gray and Juvia]].]]

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* ''Manga/FairyTail:'' [[PraetorianGuard The Spriggan Twelve]] of [[TheEmpire Alvarez]] has [[RedBaron the Winter General,]] Invel Yura. He may not look like much, the "ripper" part, but if he feels like it, he can be just as cruel and brutal as [[BigBad Zeref]] in combat. [[spoiler: [[SadisticChoice Just ask]] [[MoralEventHorizon Gray and Juvia]].]]
20th Nov '17 9:08:22 PM Crackalacking
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* ''Manga/FairyTail:'' [[ProletarianGuard THe Spriggan Twelve]] of [[TheEmpire Alvarez]] has [[RedBaron the Winter General,]] Invel Yura. He may not look like much, but if he feels like it, he can be just as cruel and brutal as [[BigBad Zeref]] in combat. [[spoiler: [[SadisticChoice Just ask]] [[MoralEventHorizon Gray and Juvia]].]]

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* ''Manga/FairyTail:'' [[ProletarianGuard THe [[PraetorianGuard The Spriggan Twelve]] of [[TheEmpire Alvarez]] has [[RedBaron the Winter General,]] Invel Yura. He may not look like much, but if he feels like it, he can be just as cruel and brutal as [[BigBad Zeref]] in combat. [[spoiler: [[SadisticChoice Just ask]] [[MoralEventHorizon Gray and Juvia]].]]
20th Nov '17 9:07:26 PM Crackalacking
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* ''Manga/FairyTail:'' [[ProletarianGuard THe Spriggan Twelve]] of [[TheEmpire Alvarez]] has [[RedBaron the Winter General,]] Invel Yura. He may not look like much, but if he feels like it, he can be just as cruel and brutal as [[BigBad Zeref]] in combat. [[spoiler: [[SadisticChoice Just ask]] [[MoralEventHorizon Gray and Juvia]].]]
** [[BadassGrandpa August]] is also a general of Alvarez, but for the most part, he's calm and pacifist in nature - [[BewareTheNiceOnes until you make him angry, that is.]]
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