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16th Jul '16 10:41:50 AM HighCrate
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** Kim's dad and brothers seem perfectly competent (and her brothers' future selves are buff ass-kickers), though.
* Generally averted on ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}''. Most, if not all, of the characters are at about the same level of (in)competence. Pretty much everyone is screwed up emotionally or mentally, with no overt correlation between level of competence or emotional state and gender.
** Except Carol. But that's not because she's a woman, that's just because she's [[CloudCuckoolander Carol]].
16th Jul '16 10:11:29 AM nombretomado
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* Generally averted on {{Archer}}. Most, if not all, of the characters are at about the same level of (in)competence. Pretty much everyone is screwed up emotionally or mentally, with no overt correlation between level of competence or emotional state and gender.

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* Generally averted on {{Archer}}.''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}''. Most, if not all, of the characters are at about the same level of (in)competence. Pretty much everyone is screwed up emotionally or mentally, with no overt correlation between level of competence or emotional state and gender.
13th Apr '16 4:44:25 PM HighCrate
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* Shonen anime seems to suffer from this frequently, having any girl being useless in the long run, except for the one or 2 episodes they're given in the spotlight, before they go back to being useless. They often attempt to balance this out by throwing in one tough competent female side character.
** Even a fairly real ActionGirl will almost always wind up fighting another girl when the two teams come up against each other, rendering it 'the girl fight.' It is almost never really important to the plot/battle.
** ''Manga/SoulEater'' being a possible exception in this respect. Even ignoring the Action Girl Heroine, it's harder to name a female character in the cast - main or otherwise - who ''isn't'' either an Action Girl or in some other way competent.
** Series that have an UnwantedHarem component (Such as ''RosarioToVampire'') also avert this, since it'd be bad both if the guy was useless (why would the girls like him if he's TheLoad?) and the only useful one (misogyny, [[TheDulcineaEffect and he'd have less reason to care, too.]]).
13th Apr '16 3:36:21 PM ailuros
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** Series that have an UnwantedHarem component (Such as ''RosarioToVampire'') also avert this, since it'd be bad both if the guy was useless (Misandry, and why would the girls like him if he's TheLoad?) and the only useful one (Misogyny, [[TheDulcineaEffect and he'd have less reason to care, too.]]).

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** Series that have an UnwantedHarem component (Such as ''RosarioToVampire'') also avert this, since it'd be bad both if the guy was useless (Misandry, and why (why would the girls like him if he's TheLoad?) and the only useful one (Misogyny, (misogyny, [[TheDulcineaEffect and he'd have less reason to care, too.]]).
3rd Jan '16 10:36:51 AM nombretomado
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** ''SoulEater'' being a possible exception in this respect. Even ignoring the Action Girl Heroine, it's harder to name a female character in the cast - main or otherwise - who ''isn't'' either an Action Girl or in some other way competent.

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** ''SoulEater'' ''Manga/SoulEater'' being a possible exception in this respect. Even ignoring the Action Girl Heroine, it's harder to name a female character in the cast - main or otherwise - who ''isn't'' either an Action Girl or in some other way competent.
12th Aug '15 7:11:05 PM sorako
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* The anime OVA of ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' was very good about the balance between gender effectiveness, but not as much with the TV series, even though the vast majority of the series' main characters were female. During the final chapters of the series, they seemed to do a lot of losing, crying and getting captured, despite the fact that they are physically capable of killing the bad guy at any time with their awesome superpowers.

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* The anime OVA of ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' was very good about the balance between gender effectiveness, but not as much with the TV series, series ''Anime/RODTheTV'', even though the vast majority of the series' main characters were female. During the final chapters of the series, they seemed to do a lot of losing, crying and getting captured, despite the fact that they are physically capable of killing the bad guy at any time with their awesome superpowers.
12th Aug '15 7:09:01 PM sorako
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* In ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'', it seems to be something of a theme to have an all-female society with strange and terrible powers suddenly have to deal with a man with those exact same powers, only several jillion times stronger. According to certain throwaway lines regarding Norma Cenva in ''Literature/GodEmperorOfDune'', there have been genderswapped variants of this in the past as well.
** It's stated that the limit of the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers was that their training to particularly feminine/maternal instincts meant that they couldn't access their male ancestry in their Other Memory. The Kwisatz Haderach was intended to overcome this weakness (as well as having other capabilities), which would require a male trained in Bene Gesserit ways. Note the fact that the Gesserit ''wanted'' to have a Kwisatz Haderach, but he ended up coming a generation too early for their plans.
*** Then again, men didn't become Bene Gesserit because they kept failing the final test which killed them. Apparently, the depths of the male psyche is just that scary.
* ''TheWheelOfTime'' series has this. Men are widely regarded as weak, mainly because they can't really work together in channeling, and most of those that can channel get sealed up pretty quick.
** On the other hand, most of the male characters are portrayed as fairly sensible, while the women are typically sniffing, arm-crossing {{Tsundere}} who won't listen to reason. Men as a group become more and more powerful over the course of the series, while the women become less powerful (and often less competent), and even supposedly powerful and capable female characters end up in distress a lot.




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* In ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'', it seems to be something of a theme to have an all-female society with strange and terrible powers suddenly have to deal with a man with those exact same powers, only several jillion times stronger. According to certain throwaway lines regarding Norma Cenva in ''Literature/GodEmperorOfDune'', there have been genderswapped variants of this in the past as well.
** It's stated that the limit of the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers was that their training to particularly feminine/maternal instincts meant that they couldn't access their male ancestry in their Other Memory. The Kwisatz Haderach was intended to overcome this weakness (as well as having other capabilities), which would require a male trained in Bene Gesserit ways. Note the fact that the Gesserit ''wanted'' to have a Kwisatz Haderach, but he ended up coming a generation too early for their plans.
*** Then again, men didn't become Bene Gesserit because they kept failing the final test which killed them. Apparently, the depths of the male psyche is just that scary.
* ''TheWheelOfTime'' series has this. Men are widely regarded as weak, mainly because they can't really work together in channeling, and most of those that can channel get sealed up pretty quick.
** On the other hand, most of the male characters are portrayed as fairly sensible, while the women are typically sniffing, arm-crossing {{Tsundere}} who won't listen to reason. Men as a group become more and more powerful over the course of the series, while the women become less powerful (and often less competent), and even supposedly powerful and capable female characters end up in distress a lot.
25th Jun '15 3:33:42 PM wootzits
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* ''LightNovel/BakaToTestToShoukanjuu'' is made of this. Almost every male character (Except teachers) is dumb or suffers from TheWorfEffect. Some TakeALevelInBadass to compensate, but even then they're still mostly {{Butt Monkey}}s. Women tend to be super-smart and have DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale at full strength, and the only one without good scores has a good excuse (She studied abroad and doesn't know kanji).

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* ''LightNovel/BakaToTestToShoukanjuu'' ''LightNovel/BakaAndTestSummonTheBeasts'' is made of this. Almost every male character (Except (except teachers) is dumb or suffers from TheWorfEffect. Some TakeALevelInBadass to compensate, but even then they're still mostly {{Butt Monkey}}s. Women tend to be super-smart and have DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale at full strength, and the only one without good scores has a good excuse (She (she studied abroad and doesn't know kanji).



* ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'': Anime only, Customary variety. Sakura never really manages to become an ActionGirl, instead having the party do all the fighting while she is reserved for situations needing a MacGuffin solution. The other women in the anime are also basically told to StayInTheKitchen.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Final Fantasy IV}}'', early on in the game, features a battle to try to protect a castle that focuses on fighting hordes of bad guys, which wouldn't be so hard except that just before the battle, you're robbed of all your most powerful spellcasters, seemingly just because they're women. The rest of the game isn't bad at recovering from this, however.

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* ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'': ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'': Anime only, Customary variety. Sakura never really manages to become an ActionGirl, instead having the party do all the fighting while she is reserved for situations needing a MacGuffin solution. The other women in the anime are also basically told to StayInTheKitchen.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Final Fantasy IV}}'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'', early on in the game, features a battle to try to protect a castle that focuses on fighting hordes of bad guys, which wouldn't be so hard except that just before the battle, you're robbed of all your most powerful spellcasters, seemingly just because they're women. The rest of the game isn't bad at recovering from this, however.



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* In Franchise/{{Dune}}, it seems to be something of a theme to have an all-female society with strange and terrible powers suddenly have to deal with a man with those exact same powers, only several jillion times stronger. According to certain throwaway lines regarding Norma Cenva in ''Literature/GodEmperorOfDune'', there have been genderswapped variants of this in the past as well.

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* In Franchise/{{Dune}}, ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'', it seems to be something of a theme to have an all-female society with strange and terrible powers suddenly have to deal with a man with those exact same powers, only several jillion times stronger. According to certain throwaway lines regarding Norma Cenva in ''Literature/GodEmperorOfDune'', there have been genderswapped variants of this in the past as well.
24th May '15 7:30:07 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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*** Notably, the [[YouFailBiologyForever Simpson gene]] [[LamarckWasRight responsible for the male Simpson's stupidity]] [[CanonDisContinuity is never mentioned again]], and future episodes [[RetCon give better explanations for Homer and Bart's stupidity, like a crayon lodged in Homer's brain and a combination of ADHD, a pathological need for attention, and a generally bad experience during his first day at school for Bart]], while a woman heavily implied to be Homer's older half-sister was about Homer's intellect.

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*** ** Notably, the [[YouFailBiologyForever Simpson gene]] [[LamarckWasRight responsible for the male Simpson's stupidity]] [[CanonDisContinuity is never mentioned again]], and future episodes [[RetCon give better explanations for Homer and Bart's stupidity, like a crayon lodged in Homer's brain and a combination of ADHD, a pathological need for attention, and a generally bad experience during his first day at school for Bart]], while a woman heavily implied to be Homer's older half-sister was about Homer's intellect.



* It often seems this way in ''KimPossible'', where pretty much all male characters are either incredibly annoying, evil, useless in a fight, or some combination of the above. Slightly subverted in that many of them do get at least a few instances where they get to shine, and many of them are {{Techno Wizard}}s.

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* It often seems this way in ''KimPossible'', ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', where pretty much all male characters are either incredibly annoying, evil, useless in a fight, or some combination of the above. Slightly subverted in that many of them do get at least a few instances where they get to shine, and many of them are {{Techno Wizard}}s.
17th Apr '15 9:16:40 PM Katsuhagi
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** This troper disagrees - it seems that almost every character has a low opinion of, or is simply baffled by the opposite gender. There are major imbalances of power both magically and politically, but those aren't covered in this trope.
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