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1st May '16 3:49:31 AM Darkmane
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[[AwesomeButImpractical Showy, flashy, and generally useless]] as a marksmanship technique. Normally recoil lifts the barrel against gravity. When firing in this manner recoil pulls the gun sideways instead and tends to turn the shooter around in a circle. Additionally, it makes the sights much less useful. Worst of all, if the pistol is turned so its ejection port faces up, spent cartridges are very likely to fall back into the port (or just not be thrown clear, since the extractor isn't designed to work directly against gravity) and jam the gun.

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[[AwesomeButImpractical Showy, flashy, and generally useless]] as a marksmanship technique. Normally recoil lifts the barrel against gravity. When firing in this manner recoil pulls the gun sideways instead and tends to turn the shooter around in a circle. Additionally, it makes the sights much less useful. Worst of all, Worse, if the pistol is turned so its ejection port faces up, spent cartridges are very likely to fall back into the port (or just not be thrown clear, since and the extractor isn't designed to work directly against gravity) gravity. Sideways recoil and improper extraction combined may make an ejected shell fly out at the wrong angle and hit you in the face, and also increases the chance (especially if you're wearing loose clothing) of getting a shell ejected into your clothes, which is actually not an unheard-of occurrence when firing ''normally''. Bear in mind that, Depending on the ammunition and load, the shell can be hot enough to cause small burns on contact with the skin. Spent cartridges are also very likely to not be thrown clear, or even fall back into the port, both of which will jam the gun.
gun. All of which ''may'' be of some concern to a person who is in the middle of a gunfight.
28th Apr '16 9:50:48 AM HiddenWindshield
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* In ''Film/TheGreatWhiteHype'', Shaabazz, Hassan and two {{Mooks}} ambush Sultan and co at Sultan's mansion brandishing guns horizontally. Queue lots and lots of pretty [[LaserSight red lights]] focusing on Hassan. Even some of the trained bodyguards are guilty of this:

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* In ''Film/TheGreatWhiteHype'', Shaabazz, Hassan and two {{Mooks}} ambush Sultan and co at Sultan's mansion brandishing guns horizontally. Queue Cue lots and lots of pretty [[LaserSight red lights]] focusing on Hassan. Even some of the trained bodyguards are guilty of this:
3rd Apr '16 7:54:44 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/SpeciesII'': For some reason Preston holds his gun sideways when he arrests Patrick, despite being both a supposed counter-terrorism expert with firearms training and aware that his target is a highly dangerous alien masquarading as a human.

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* ''Film/SpeciesII'': For some reason Preston holds his gun sideways when he arrests Patrick, despite being both a supposed [[InformedAttribute supposed]] counter-terrorism expert with firearms training and aware that his target is a highly dangerous alien masquarading as a human.
27th Mar '16 3:00:04 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/SpeciesII'': For some reason Preston holds his gun sideways when he arrests Patrick, despite being both a supposed counter-terrorism expert with firearms training and aware that his target is a highly dangerous alien masquarading as a human.
1st Feb '16 8:19:20 AM Nohbody
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* In ''[[Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo 1636: A Parcel of Rogues]]'', Daryl [=McCarthy=] indulges in gangsta style firing at the people pursuing him, something he's always wanted to do. He was intentionally missing to bait on his pursuers, though, so the inaccuracy of the method wasn't an issue.
--> ''Sure, you can't hit shit that way, but if you don't want to, it surely is fun.''
21st Jan '16 1:43:05 PM TARINunit9
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* Behold a glorious mocking of this trope [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik here.]]



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[[folder:Real Life]]Life -- General Practice]]
* It's believed this trope was invented by Hollywood's actors showing off to the camera. Actors don't like anything that blocks their faces, leading to lots of laughably unsafe things -- see also military movies where soldiers don't wear the chinstraps on their helmets (if [[HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic they wear helmets at all]]).
* Another possible origin of the trope is film stuntmen, who turned their guns sideways to avoid ejecting hot shells onto each other. That said, ejecting straight upwards tends to drop spent casings directly down the shooter's collar; definitely a lateral move. Except the case in which the gangster is using is left hand in the case of a weapon designed for being held by right-handed people or using the right hand in the opposite cases.



* Mocked [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik here.]]
* Occasionally police officers using armoured shields will hold their pistols like this so they can see their sights through the window in the shield. That's about the only time you will see someone competent doing this in real life.

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* Mocked [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik here.]]
* Occasionally police officers using armoured shields will hold their pistols like this so they can see their sights through the window in the shield. That's about the only time you will see someone competent doing this playing the trope dead straight in real life.



* The famous [[CoolGuns/{{Handguns}} Mauser C96 'Broomhandle']] was only used as a primary service firearm by one nation: the Republic of China. Except they modified it with automatic fire and a much larger cartridge (.45 ACP, shared with the unlicensed Thompson submachine guns they also used at the time) when they were invaded by Japan. This weapon could only be effectively used firing sideways (in Gangsta Style), or else the huge recoil would spray the gun straight up (when held sideways the recoil would shift accordingly, which is actually highly effective as it can sweep a room out), or the already-fired cases would fall back into and jam the gun.
** Many mafia men back in the days of Prohibition would likewise turn their Thompsons sideways and allow the recoil of the gun to fan the bullet stream over their target. This actually made some sense, as the Thompson was very prone to barrel rise on full automatic due to the rate of fire, heavy cartridge, wooden buttstock, and heavy trigger pull.



* [[http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/side_show_doomed_thug_vct6JLQrWau8DRZpdvdaFO December 10, 2009:]] fleeing from police through crowded Times Square, scam artist and sometime rapper Raymond "Ready" Martinez draws a Masterpiece Arms pistol (basically a modern clone of the Ingram MAC-11), holds it sideways in the best "gangsta" fashion and pulls the trigger. The weapon jams after two shots (with a spent casing falling back into the ejection port), both shots fail to hit anyone, and police return fire and "Ready's" criminal career comes to a swift conclusion. Had he held the gun correctly, the jam would have been averted and the loss of life could easily have been much worse.
* It's said by many that this trope was adopted by modern gangsters from film stuntmen who turned their guns sideways to avoid ejecting hot shells onto each other. That said, ejecting straight upwards tends to drop spent casings directly down the shooter's collar; definitely a lateral move. Except the case in which the gangster is using is left hand in the case of a weapon designed for being held by right-handed people or using the right hand in the opposite cases.



* Another understandable reason is that when one has not been formally trained in shooting, the heaviness of the gun can make a sideways hold "feel" more natural.
* Tilting a handgun about 20-30 degrees can help recoil management, and is often taught as a technique for shooting one-handed, with the off hand. However, a 90 degree tilt results in a weaker grip than normal.
* The {{Nerf}} N-Strike Deploy [=CS-6=] gun has its targeting light flipped to the ''left'' of the barrel, which may necessitate this. Sure it's got regular sights, but being sponge darts launched at safety speed, the drop in the trajectory makes a targeting light ''below'' the barrel more practical.
* Going back a few generations in firearms design, this was the only practical way to ensure that a wheellock actually fired. Given the design of the action, turning the gun at least 45 degrees (NOT 90 degrees) was the best way to make sure that the powder was close enough to the sparks to actually go off. (Specifically it puts the sparks directly over the priming charge so that they fall into it rather than some of them going over the side and being wasted.)
* There actually exists a shooting system in which the firer cants their pistol 45 degrees or more to the side. It is known as Center Axis Relock (CAR) and it is used by many law enforcement, security, and armed forces groups as a method of close quarters shooting. The technique is actually extremely effective for trained shooters and can be applied to rifle and shotgun shooting in close quarters as well. Watch a demonstration [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SASDcZFCXzQ Here]]. This technique is SCARY effective at helping the shooter cope with recoil, as seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70mxsqTxrs Here]] where a shooter fires a 12-gauge shotgun as though it were a pistol. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_e18qAbQpo Here's]] an explanation of the physiological flaws of Gangsta Style and the strengths of CAR.

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* Another understandable reason is There are some gun training tips that when will advocate ''some'' tilting of the gun, though almost never to a full 90 degrees.
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one has not been formally trained in shooting, the heaviness of the gun can make a sideways hold "feel" more natural.
* ** Tilting a handgun about 20-30 degrees can help recoil management, and is often taught as a technique for shooting one-handed, with the off hand. However, a 90 degree tilt results in a weaker grip than normal.
* The {{Nerf}} N-Strike Deploy [=CS-6=] gun has its targeting light flipped to the ''left'' of the barrel, which may necessitate this. Sure it's got regular sights, but being sponge darts launched at safety speed, the drop in the trajectory makes a targeting light ''below'' the barrel more practical.
* Going back a few generations in firearms design, this was the only practical way to ensure that a wheellock actually fired. Given the design of the action, turning the gun at least 45 degrees (NOT 90 degrees) was the best way to make sure that the powder was close enough to the sparks to actually go off. (Specifically it puts the sparks directly over the priming charge so that they fall into it rather than some of them going over the side and being wasted.)
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** There actually also exists a shooting system in which the firer cants their pistol 45 degrees or more to the side. It is known as Center Axis Relock (CAR) and it is used by many law enforcement, security, and armed forces groups as a method of close quarters shooting. The technique is actually extremely effective for trained shooters and can be applied to rifle and shotgun shooting in close quarters as well. Watch a demonstration [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SASDcZFCXzQ Here]]. This technique is SCARY effective at helping the shooter cope with recoil, as seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70mxsqTxrs Here]] where a shooter fires a 12-gauge shotgun as though it were a pistol. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_e18qAbQpo Here's]] an explanation of the physiological flaws of Gangsta Style and the strengths of CAR.CAR.
** Canadian firearms safety instructor Terry Pratt developed a system for people with cross dominant eyes to effectively fire a pistol. If, for example, your dominant eye is your left eye but your dominant hand is your right hand, you would tilt the pistol 45 degrees to the left as to allow your left eye to line up the iron sights.
*** On the flipside to Pratt's logic, in the US Army people are allowed to choose their firing side; about half of left-handed people fire right, while 10% of right-handed people fire left. If someone is having difficulty, a drill sergeant may check their eye dominance, and if they have cross dominance, suggest they switch hands. It is not hard to fire a US military [=M16A2=] with your non-dominant hand, unless there is something wrong with it (in which case, you probably won't be in the army).
* Similar to the CAR system above, some military units practice the Ambi stance, a near-90-degree tilt. It's used when breaching a room, if you catch a hostile in your peripheral vision, to bring the gun to bear as fast as possible, before following round into a proper shooting stance. It's not used for protracted periods of time.



* [[http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/28/double-glock-full-auto-pistols/ Dual Glock full auto pistols.]]
* Something like this does get used by some military units, called an Ambi stance. It's used when breaching a room, if you catch a hostile in your peripheral vision, to bring the gun to bear as fast as possible, before following round into a proper shooting stance. It's not used for protracted periods of time.
* This is similarly impractical with airsoft guns that use hop-up to make pellets fly further. Firing one in this manner can cause the pellet to [[BizarreAndImprobableBallistics curve in-flight.]]

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* [[http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/28/double-glock-full-auto-pistols/ Dual Glock full auto pistols.]]
* Something like this does get used by some military units, called an Ambi stance. It's used when breaching a room, if you catch a hostile in your peripheral vision, to bring the gun to bear as fast as possible, before following round into a proper shooting stance. It's not used for protracted periods of time.
* This is similarly impractical
The trope doesn't become any more effective with airsoft guns that use hop-up to make pellets fly further. Firing one in this manner can cause the pellet to [[BizarreAndImprobableBallistics curve in-flight.]]]]
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[[folder:Real Life -- Specific Weapons]]
* The famous [[CoolGuns/{{Handguns}} Mauser C96 'Broomhandle']] was only used as a primary service firearm by one nation: the Republic of China. Except they modified it with automatic fire and a much larger cartridge (.45 ACP, shared with the unlicensed Thompson submachine guns they also used at the time) when they were invaded by Japan. This weapon could only be effectively used firing sideways (in Gangsta Style), or else the huge recoil would spray the gun straight up (when held sideways the recoil would shift accordingly, which is actually highly effective as it can sweep a room out), or the already-fired cases would fall back into and jam the gun.
** Many mafia men back in the days of Prohibition would likewise turn their Thompsons sideways and allow the recoil of the gun to fan the bullet stream over their target. This actually made some sense, as the Thompson was very prone to barrel rise on full automatic due to the rate of fire, heavy cartridge, wooden buttstock, and heavy trigger pull.



* The {{Nerf}} N-Strike Deploy [=CS-6=] gun has its targeting light flipped to the ''left'' of the barrel, which may necessitate this. Sure it's got regular sights, but being sponge darts launched at safety speed, the drop in the trajectory makes a targeting light ''below'' the barrel more practical.
* Going back a few generations in firearms design, this was the only practical way to ensure that a wheellock actually fired. Given the design of the action, turning the gun at least 45 degrees (NOT 90 degrees) was the best way to make sure that the powder was close enough to the sparks to actually go off. (Specifically it puts the sparks directly over the priming charge so that they fall into it rather than some of them going over the side and being wasted.)
* [[http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/side_show_doomed_thug_vct6JLQrWau8DRZpdvdaFO December 10, 2009:]] fleeing from police through crowded Times Square, scam artist and sometime rapper Raymond "Ready" Martinez draws a Masterpiece Arms pistol (basically a modern clone of the Ingram MAC-11), holds it sideways in the best "gangsta" fashion and pulls the trigger. The weapon jams after two shots (with a spent casing falling back into the ejection port), both shots fail to hit anyone, and police return fire and "Ready's" criminal career comes to a swift conclusion. Had he held the gun correctly, the jam would have been averted and the loss of life could easily have been much worse.
* [[http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/02/28/double-glock-full-auto-pistols/ Dual Glock full auto pistols.]]



* Canadian firearms safety instructor Terry Pratt developed a system for people with cross dominant eyes to effectively fire a pistol. If, for example, your dominant eye is your left eye but your dominant hand is your right hand, you would tilt the pistol 45 degrees to the left as to allow your left eye to line up the iron sights.
** In the US Army, people are allowed to choose their firing side, and about half of left-handed people fire right, while 10% of right-handed people fire left. If someone is having difficulty, a drill sergeant may check their eye dominance, and if they have cross dominance, suggest they switch hands. It is not hard to fire a US military [=M16A2=] with your non-dominant hand, unless there is something wrong with it (in which case, you probably won't be in the army).
* Actors don't like anything that blocks their faces, leading to lots of laughably unsafe things, like military movies, where soldiers don't wear the chinstraps on their helmets if [[HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic they wear helmets at all]]. The sideways gun may be a Hollywood invention, so you can see the actor's face when he holds the gun.
12th Jan '16 9:24:07 PM glasswalker
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* In ''TheSecretWorld,'' the pistol consumer ability Shootout combines this with GunsAkimbo.
6th Jan '16 12:32:52 PM ColeNichols
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* Mocked [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik here.]]
6th Dec '15 6:13:14 AM Mullane
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* It is justified in one instance when Reese ends up firing his gun like this. He has to hold the gun below waist level and it is very difficult to fire a gun normally from that position. Twisting his wrist to hold the gun sideways allows him to fire it perpendicular to his body. It is also clear that he was not actually trying to hit anything and was shooting simply to scare off the bad guys.

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* ** It is justified in one instance when Reese ends up firing his gun like this. He has to hold the gun below waist level and it is very difficult to fire a gun normally from that position. Twisting his wrist to hold the gun sideways allows him to fire it perpendicular to his body. It is also clear that he was not actually trying to hit anything and was shooting simply to scare off the bad guys.
24th Nov '15 3:19:48 AM jormis29
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* In ''VideoGame/SplinterCell Conviction'' and ''Blacklist'', Sam Fisher and other agents hold his gun heavily tilted to the left while holding it with both hands, although it's more a realistic depiction of Center Axis Relock (see 'Real Life' section below) than typical examples.

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* In ''VideoGame/SplinterCell Conviction'' ''VideoGame/SplinterCellConviction'' and ''Blacklist'', ''[[VideoGame/SplinterCellBlacklist Blacklist]]'', Sam Fisher and other agents hold his gun heavily tilted to the left while holding it with both hands, although it's more a realistic depiction of Center Axis Relock (see 'Real Life' section below) than typical examples.
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