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7th Mar '16 3:00:43 PM Lullaby22
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** This is also the motivation behind HYDRA in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', which takes place after ''The Avengers.'' Perhaps appropriately, HYDRA is an offshoot of the old Nazi party.
20th Feb '16 12:12:02 PM nombretomado
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* Loki talks a lot about this in ''Film/TheAvengers''. He's going to make humanity free from Freedom. He is called a power-hungry crazy man for it every time, including by unarmed civilians. Said civilian that stands up to him is German and is old enough to remember [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler someone]] touting the same philosophy.

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* Loki talks a lot about this in ''Film/TheAvengers''.''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. He's going to make humanity free from Freedom. He is called a power-hungry crazy man for it every time, including by unarmed civilians. Said civilian that stands up to him is German and is old enough to remember [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler someone]] touting the same philosophy.
20th Feb '16 1:50:29 AM Doug86
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* ''ABitOfFryAndLaurie'' did a sketch where a government minister responsible for a broadcasting deregulation bill arrives at a restaurant and the waiter pretends to be mortified that someone who put so much emphasis on variety has only been given one ordinary set of cutlery, takes it away, and comes back with a huge number of plastic coffee stirrers which he pours on the table, screaming that they might all be rubbish but at least he's got plenty of ''choices''.

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* ''ABitOfFryAndLaurie'' ''Series/ABitOfFryAndLaurie'' did a sketch where a government minister responsible for a broadcasting deregulation bill arrives at a restaurant and the waiter pretends to be mortified that someone who put so much emphasis on variety has only been given one ordinary set of cutlery, takes it away, and comes back with a huge number of plastic coffee stirrers which he pours on the table, screaming that they might all be rubbish but at least he's got plenty of ''choices''.
11th Jan '16 2:28:59 PM Gen
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* Perhaps not surprisingly, this was a part of the [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis']] ideology. They replaced freedom of choice with the ''fuhrerprinzip'' (leader principle), i.e. obedience to higher authority, with the Fuhrer's word being above all law (this was partly an outgrowth of Germany unifying with Prussia at its center, with Prussia's strong military culture seeping into the rest of the country, especially through education). It was thus felt that if people were obeying orders, nothing they did could be wrong. Therefore when Nazi war criminals [[JustFollowingOrders used this defense at Nuremberg]] it was not entirely self-serving or cognitive dissonance-they ''really believed that.''

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* Perhaps not surprisingly, this was a part of the [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis']] ideology. They replaced freedom of choice with the ''fuhrerprinzip'' ''Führerprinzip'' (leader principle), i.e. obedience to higher authority, with the Fuhrer's word being above all law (this was partly an outgrowth of Germany unifying with Prussia at its center, with Prussia's strong military culture seeping into the rest of the country, especially through education). It was thus felt that if people were obeying orders, nothing they did could be wrong. Therefore when Nazi war criminals [[JustFollowingOrders used this defense at Nuremberg]] it was not entirely self-serving or cognitive dissonance-they ''really believed that.''
26th Dec '15 8:48:32 PM jormis29
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* In ''{{Simoun}}'', choice (specifically represented by the [[GenderBender gender choice]], but encapsulating other things as well) is the source of most of the main characters' internal conflict throughout the story--that not related to the HopelessWar, at least. The ''availability'' of choice is a good thing, but actually ''engaging'' in either/or decision-making erases other possibilities and hence, paradoxically, stunts potential, particularly spiritual potential. Characters sometimes attempt to go the traditional FreedomFromChoice route and submit to military, political, or social marching orders, but the only actual freedom lies in a particular kind of simultaneously static and "wavering" mindset.

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* In ''{{Simoun}}'', ''Anime/{{Simoun}}'', choice (specifically represented by the [[GenderBender gender choice]], but encapsulating other things as well) is the source of most of the main characters' internal conflict throughout the story--that not related to the HopelessWar, at least. The ''availability'' of choice is a good thing, but actually ''engaging'' in either/or decision-making erases other possibilities and hence, paradoxically, stunts potential, particularly spiritual potential. Characters sometimes attempt to go the traditional FreedomFromChoice route and submit to military, political, or social marching orders, but the only actual freedom lies in a particular kind of simultaneously static and "wavering" mindset.
16th Dec '15 4:20:34 PM eroock
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20th Nov '15 4:37:14 AM StFan
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* In ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'', Calvin's dad goes on a rant about this as he's out shopping and grows increasingly frustrated with the fact that for every item he wants to buy there are countless meaningless options. The particular focus of his rant is potato chips. "What if I want less fat ''and'' less salt? What distinguishes 'Lite' from these others?" And don't even ask about the peanut butter.
* There's a ''ComicStrip/{{Cathy}}'' strip where Cathy tries to order a quick cup of coffee, only to have the barista rattle off a remarkably LongList of all the coffee drinks they offer and all the optional seasonings and so on. Cathy has a meltdown and the barista tells the manager it was caused by "coffee overload." The manager suggests that Cathy might like a soothing cup of tea instead and begins to list all of the different teas they offer.
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* The film and book "91/2 Weeks" presents an erotic variation on Freedom From Choice: a career-woman who is successful and forceful in her professional life forfeits her sexual freedom to a man, and their relationship pushes the boundaries between what is "Main/SafeSaneAndConsensual" and what is abusive.

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* The film and book "91/2 Weeks" presents an erotic variation on Freedom From Choice: a career-woman who is successful and forceful in her professional life forfeits her sexual freedom to a man, and their relationship pushes the boundaries between what is "Main/SafeSaneAndConsensual" "SafeSaneAndConsensual" and what is abusive.



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* In ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'', Calvin's dad goes on a rant about this as he's out shopping and grows increasingly frustrated with the fact that for every item he wants to buy there are countless meaningless options. The particular focus of his rant is potato chips. "What if I want less fat ''and'' less salt? What distinguishes 'Lite' from these others?" And don't even ask about the peanut butter.
* There's a ''{{Cathy}}'' strip where Cathy tries to order a quick cup of coffee, only to have the barista rattle off a remarkably LongList of all the coffee drinks they offer and all the optional seasonings and so on. Cathy has a meltdown and the barista tells the manager it was caused by "coffee overload." The manager suggests that Cathy might like a soothing cup of tea instead and begins to list all of the different teas they offer.
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19th Nov '15 4:59:01 PM Fireblood
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* During one of the Truth-sessions of ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' you can hear how one of the modern descendants of the Knights Templar describes how they will provide mankind freedom from democracy and choice, and all base and material for a good measure.

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* During one of the Truth-sessions of ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' you can hear how one of the modern descendants of the Knights Templar describes how they will provide mankind freedom from democracy and choice, and all base and material desires for a good measure.
3rd Nov '15 3:08:35 PM nombretomado
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* In FrankMiller's ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' there is a passing reference to a "Freedom from Information Act", presumably intended as a satirical slap on the recent activities of the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration.

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* In FrankMiller's ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' there is a passing reference to a "Freedom from Information Act", presumably intended as a satirical slap on the recent activities of the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration.
18th Aug '15 10:54:19 PM azul120
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* In [[FrankMiller Frank Miller's]] ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' there is a passing reference to a "Freedom from Information Act", presumably intended as a satirical slap on the recent activities of the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration.
* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' this is one of the reasons the Anti-Life Equation is so effective. When several characters such as ComicBook/GreenArrow and Red Robin are freed of it, they admit that Anti-Life was "easy" and that some of it did ring true for them.
* Some interpretations of [[ComicBook/TwoFace Two-Face]] play with this: is surrendering to the judgments of the toss of a coin simply a way for Harvey Dent to escape the moral consequences of balancing his two sides?

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* In [[FrankMiller Frank Miller's]] FrankMiller's ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'' there is a passing reference to a "Freedom from Information Act", presumably intended as a satirical slap on the recent activities of the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration.
* In ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' this is one of the reasons the Anti-Life Equation is so effective. When several characters such as ComicBook/GreenArrow and Red Robin are freed of it, they admit that Anti-Life was "easy" and that some of it did ring true for them.
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* Some interpretations of [[ComicBook/TwoFace Two-Face]] ComicBook/TwoFace play with this: is surrendering to the judgments of the toss of a coin simply a way for Harvey Dent to escape the moral consequences of balancing his two sides?
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* {{Shameless}} had this in series 4, when Frank was in the pub, trying to decide between his current lover Sheila, and his technically still wife Monica, because they both wanted him to decide which one he wanted to be with. He couldn't decide between them, so he elected to choose ''not to choose'. [[spoiler:: In the end, he chose Sheila, but when she found out he was still legally married to Monica, which she didn't know before, she left him anyway, so Frank went to Monica instead, implying he had dumped Sheila and that Monica was the first choice.]]
* ''Series/KeepingUpAppearances'': This is a suggested reason why Richard stays with Hyacinth; he's fundamentally lazy person who ''wants'' someone else to run his life for him.

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* {{Shameless}} had this in series 4, when Frank was in the pub, trying to decide between his current lover Sheila, and his technically still wife Monica, because they both wanted him to decide which one he wanted to be with. He couldn't decide between them, so he elected to choose ''not to choose'. [[spoiler:: In [[spoiler:In the end, he chose Sheila, but when she found out he was still legally married to Monica, which she didn't know before, she left him anyway, so Frank went to Monica instead, implying he had dumped Sheila and that Monica was the first choice.]]
* ''Series/KeepingUpAppearances'': This is a suggested reason why Richard stays with Hyacinth; he's fundamentally lazy person who ''wants'' someone else to run his life for him.






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* The paradox of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass Buridan's Ass]], which posits that an ass presented with two equally available sources of food and water would die because it lacks a reason to select one rather than the other (real donkeys choose it at random).
* Jean-Paul Sartre's version of existentialism, in which he states that humans are "condemned to be free" - meaning we are forced to make choices without knowing the "rules" of life or having a way to work out how to make the best choice.

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* The paradox of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass Buridan's Ass]], which posits that an ass presented with two equally available sources of food and water would die because it lacks a reason to select one rather than the other (real donkeys choose it at random).
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* Jean-Paul Sartre's version of existentialism, in which he states that humans are "condemned to be free" - meaning we are forced to make choices without knowing the "rules" of life or having a way to work out how to make the best choice. \n



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* During one of the Truth-sessions of ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' you can hear how one of the modern descendants of the Knights Templar describes how they will provide mankind freedom from democracy and choice, and all base and material for a good measure.

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* During one of the Truth-sessions of ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood'' you can hear how one of the modern descendants of the Knights Templar describes how they will provide mankind freedom from democracy and choice, and all base and material for a good measure.






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