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17th Jun '18 4:53:23 PM Kelothan
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
** The feelings of ArcFatigue, a critism of later seasons, have always been there. In Season 2, the search for Malachite, despite all the buildup, is put on hold about halfway through and had to be resolved in the next season. The difference there is that the season still had plenty of story episodes, and [[spoiler:the threat of the Cluster, and Peridot's HeelFaceTurn]] are still considered to be two of the show's best storlines. Seasons 3 and 4, on the other hand, both had series of {{Filler}} episodes in-between the main {{Story Arc}}s, which took up roughly half of the episode count, making this problem far harder to ignore.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
** The feelings
''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': A lot of ArcFatigue, a critism of later seasons, the shows divisive elements have always been there. In there.
** Later seasons have been criticized for [[ArcFatigue rushing their story arcs]]. This can be seen in
Season 2, the search for Malachite, despite all the buildup, is put on hold about halfway through only given one episode in between ''Jailbreak'' and had to be resolved it's resolution in the next season. Season 3. The difference there is that the season still had plenty of story episodes, and to tell, specifically [[spoiler:the threat of the Cluster, and Peridot's HeelFaceTurn]] are HeelFaceTurn]], still considered by many to be two of the show's best storlines. When Seasons 3 and 4, on the other hand, both 3-5 had series of {{Filler}} no real story episodes in-between inbetween their story arcs, the main {{Story Arc}}s, which took up roughly half of the episode count, making this problem far became harder to ignore.ignore.
** The sheer amount of human-centric episodes, most of which have [[{{Filler}} no real bearing on the overal plot]], has been a sore spot for many. Most fans gave it a slide in Season 1, because the shows main plot had yet to reveal itself, and the next season only had about 6 episodes not related to the plot. Then later seasons brought back the Half-and-half approach, to mixed results.



* WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that he had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the usual ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes''. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and smarmy (that cover image in his {{trope}} page is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.

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* ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes''
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WesternAnimation/BugsBunny was always supposed to be witty and resourceful from the start without the extreme absurdity nor the over-the-top wackiness of WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck. This still didn't mean that he had PlotArmor to carry the day after every short starring the character back in TheForties, but it was fairly established even then that he was smarter (at least where street-smarts concerned) than the usual ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes''.''Looney Tunes'' character. Creator/ChuckJones took these features to their logical conclusion and added a Music/BingCrosby-esque ''sang froid'' element to Bugs Bunny in TheFifties, making his version the definitive one afterwards. Because of this, the studio has been reluctant to wander away from this take too much. But ever since, Bugs seems to be permanently stuck in lower quality iterations of the Chuck Jones version, making him often seem smug and smarmy (that cover image in his {{trope}} page is his current default expression) while doing very little and allowing other characters to steal the spotlight.
1st Jun '18 12:06:07 PM 64SuperNintendo
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26th May '18 9:23:29 PM mattthelurker
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** Batman's [[TheWoobie Woobie]] tendencies were there almost from the get-go. He eyewitnessed his parents' murder which scarred him for life. Then TheJoker was given a JerkassWoobie background. Then ThePenguin got one, and then Mr. Freeze, and then... until nowadays even third string characters such as the Kite Man (!!!) must have a [[FreudianExcuse sob-story to justify their]] descent into evil.

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** Batman's [[TheWoobie Woobie]] tendencies were there almost from the get-go. He eyewitnessed his parents' murder which scarred him for life. Then TheJoker was given a JerkassWoobie background.background (although, given his MultipleChoicePast, it's questionable how much sympathy, if any, he deserves). Then ThePenguin got one, and then Mr. Freeze, Freeze (as a well-received at the time RetCanon from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''), and then... until nowadays even third string characters such as the Kite Man (!!!) must have a [[FreudianExcuse sob-story to justify their]] descent into evil.
26th May '18 6:08:35 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* A common criticism of many new attractions at Ride/UniversalStudios is that the parks' creative teams seem to have a love affair with "screen" attractions, often to the exclusion of more traditional rides and shows, with virtually every big-ticket attraction in TheNewTens being a motion-simulator-driven, 4-D short film where the visual effects and the ExcusePlot take precedence over the ride experience. Few were complaining, however, in 2010 when they first opened ''Ride/HarryPotterAndTheForbiddenJourney'' at Islands of Adventure. Boasting an AllStarCast of actors [[RoleReprisal reprising their roles]] from the ''Film/HarryPotter'' films, ''Forbidden Journey'' also made use of innovative KUKA arm technology that moved riders around in a fashion comparable to traditional thrill rides. While there had been motion simulators and 4-D films at Universal before, the massive success of this ride, which helped establish Universal UsefulNotes/{{Orlando}} Resort as a serious competitor to [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Disney World]], caused Universal to embrace motion simulators and 4-D films wholeheartedly going forward. Despite their merits as rides, however, it was the production values of ''The Forbidden Journey'' that seemed to have stuck in the heads of Universal's creatives, as later motion simulators toned down the thrills and placed the focus more on the CGI-filled action projected onto the screens surrounding the ride. The resulting complaint can be summed up as, "whatever happened to being able to '[[{{Tagline}} Ride the Movies]]' rather than watch them in rumble seats?", a complaint that reached a crescendo with the sharply negative reaction to ''Ride/FastAndFuriousSupercharged'' upon its opening in 2018.

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* A common criticism of many new attractions at Ride/UniversalStudios is that the parks' creative teams seem to have a love affair with "screen" attractions, often to the exclusion of more traditional rides and shows, with virtually every big-ticket attraction in TheNewTens being a motion-simulator-driven, 4-D short film where the visual effects and the ExcusePlot take precedence over the ride experience. Few were complaining, however, in 2010 when they first opened ''Ride/HarryPotterAndTheForbiddenJourney'' at Islands of Adventure. Boasting an AllStarCast of actors [[RoleReprisal reprising their roles]] from the ''Film/HarryPotter'' films, ''Forbidden Journey'' also made use of innovative KUKA arm technology that moved riders around in a fashion comparable to traditional thrill rides. While there had been motion simulators and 4-D films at Universal before, the massive success of this ride, which helped establish Universal UsefulNotes/{{Orlando}} Resort as a serious competitor to [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Disney World]], caused Universal to embrace motion simulators and 4-D films wholeheartedly going forward. Despite their its merits as rides, a ride, however, it was the production values of ''The Forbidden Journey'' that seemed to have stuck in the heads of Universal's creatives, as later motion simulators toned down the thrills and placed the focus more on the CGI-filled action projected onto the screens surrounding the ride. The resulting complaint can be summed up as, "whatever happened to being able to '[[{{Tagline}} Ride the Movies]]' rather than watch them in rumble seats?", a complaint that reached a crescendo with the sharply negative reaction to ''Ride/FastAndFuriousSupercharged'' upon its opening in 2018.
26th May '18 4:59:13 PM Psi001
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** Quite similarly ''WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck'' was made into a more over confident and self indulgent character quite early on, long before Chuck Jones retooled him into a egotistical foil for Bugs. However, this was only to give him some degree of pathos and motivation compared to the one-dimensional heckler he was in his most earliest shorts by TexAvery, and even after Jones' retool, harks back to his wackier more competent characterisation remerged every now and then. Similar to Bugs however, Daffy traded many hands, with most trying too hard to emulate the frustration of Jones' version, Flanderizing him into a pompous bitter antagonist with an almost NonIndicativeName.
26th May '18 4:51:39 PM Psi001
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** Some of the more abrasive humour of the later seasons was already coming into play as early as the Second Season, however mostly only to the level of giving the show a sharper more frenetic energy compared to the downright mean spiritedness of the post-Movie seasons. Spongebob had already started to become more obnoxious and hyperactive, though the consequences of his actions were kept carefully in check to keep him sympathetic (e.g. while he aggravates Squidward and Mrs Puff in early episodes, a lot of their worst misfortunes are brought upon themselves taking extremes to get rid of him, while in later episodes he genuinely just singlehandedly makes their lives miserable in his stupidity). Sandy had also become far more standoffish and arrogant by the second season, though given her initial overly positive characterisation, this was only really taken to the point of giving her some level of vices so she could contribute better to the humour and become an endearingly flawed character like the others.
23rd May '18 7:56:25 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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** Nirvana's contemporaries Music/PearlJam and Music/{{Soundgarden}} also played a heavy role in popularizing the most derided tropes of post-grunge, such as recycled ClassicRock riffs, {{Wangst}}y lyrics, and {{yarling}}. Even at the time, Pearl Jam's debut album ''Music/{{Ten}}'' attracted some HypeBacklash from Seattle grunge purists, with Cobain himself calling them "commercial {{sellout}}s", though their continued experimentation on ''Vs.'' and ''Vitalogy'' eventually won him and many other critics over.

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** Nirvana's contemporaries Music/PearlJam and Music/{{Soundgarden}} also played a heavy role in popularizing the most derided tropes of post-grunge, such as recycled ClassicRock riffs, {{Wangst}}y lyrics, and {{yarling}}. especially {{yarling}} (post-grunge vocalists from [[Music/{{Creed}} Scott Stapp]] to [[Music/{{Nickelback}} Chad Kroeger]] were heavily influenced by Eddie Vedder's style of singing). Even at the time, Pearl Jam's debut album ''Music/{{Ten}}'' attracted some HypeBacklash from Seattle grunge purists, with Cobain himself calling them "commercial {{sellout}}s", {{sellout}}s and Vedder himself expressing some CreatorBacklash over the production, though their continued experimentation on ''Vs.'' and ''Vitalogy'' eventually won him Cobain and many other critics over.
23rd May '18 7:37:37 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* PostGrunge is TheScrappy of music genres for fans of AlternativeRock, who by and large view it as a betrayal of everything that {{grunge}} stood for, taking a genre that was born as a backlash against corporate rock and turning it into a symbol of such. Yet the warning signs were there as early as Music/{{Nirvana}}'s ''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', the [[GenreTurningPoint landmark album]] that catapulted grunge into the spotlight, which came to be known as much for its {{epic riff}}s and (by grunge standards) fairly polished and commercial sound as it was for its DarkerAndEdgier lyrics and subject matter. Music/KurtCobain himself came to develop [[CreatorBacklash very conflicted feelings]] towards ''Nevermind'', particularly the lead single (and the band's SignatureSong) "Smells Like Teen Spirit", largely for this reason, and Nirvana's follow-up album ''Music/InUtero'' (which, notably, [[BrokenBase a large contingent of fans]] sees as Nirvana's ''true'' masterpiece) quite deliberately had a more abrasive, less mainstream sound in an attempt to turn off what Cobain saw as the band's MisaimedFandom. The musical traits of post-grunge that many people found annoying, such as recycled ClassicRock riffs, {{Wangst}}y lyrics, and [[{{Yarling}} overwrought vocals]] were already present in grunge music from the start in bands like Music/PearlJam and Music/{{Soundgarden}}. Even as early as 1997, before PostGrunge had fully emerged as the dominant brand of American rock, music critic Chuck Eddy had [[https://books.google.com/books?id=aDnuT65VRzYC&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=here+comes+the+part+of+the+song+where+we+have+a+tantrum&source=bl&ots=I5xLAeQFrz&sig=VwNDAAqp_KxgqAaN91EwXynTFyA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG3dWqgZbKAhUOyWMKHb7cDA4Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=here%20comes%20the%20part%20of%20the%20song%20where%20we%20have%20a%20tantrum&f=false noted]] that Nirvana pioneered its most overdone tropes.

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* PostGrunge is TheScrappy of music genres for fans of AlternativeRock, who by and large view it as a betrayal of everything that {{grunge}} stood for, taking a genre that was born as a backlash against corporate rock and turning it into a symbol of such. Yet the warning signs of where grunge was headed were there as early as almost from the moment it got big.
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Music/{{Nirvana}}'s ''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', the [[GenreTurningPoint landmark album]] that catapulted grunge into the spotlight, which came to be known as much for its {{epic riff}}s and (by grunge standards) fairly polished and commercial sound as it was for its DarkerAndEdgier lyrics and subject matter. Music/KurtCobain himself came to develop developed [[CreatorBacklash very conflicted feelings]] towards ''Nevermind'', particularly the lead single (and the band's SignatureSong) "Smells Like Teen Spirit", largely for this reason, and Nirvana's follow-up album ''Music/InUtero'' (which, notably, [[BrokenBase a large contingent of fans]] sees as Nirvana's ''true'' masterpiece) quite deliberately had a more abrasive, less mainstream sound in an attempt to turn off what Cobain saw as the band's MisaimedFandom. The musical traits of post-grunge that many people found annoying, such as recycled ClassicRock riffs, {{Wangst}}y lyrics, and [[{{Yarling}} overwrought vocals]] were already present in grunge music from the start in bands like Music/PearlJam and Music/{{Soundgarden}}.MisaimedFandom. Even as early as 1997, before PostGrunge had fully emerged as the dominant brand of American rock, music critic Chuck Eddy had [[https://books.google.com/books?id=aDnuT65VRzYC&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=here+comes+the+part+of+the+song+where+we+have+a+tantrum&source=bl&ots=I5xLAeQFrz&sig=VwNDAAqp_KxgqAaN91EwXynTFyA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG3dWqgZbKAhUOyWMKHb7cDA4Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=here%20comes%20the%20part%20of%20the%20song%20where%20we%20have%20a%20tantrum&f=false noted]] that Nirvana pioneered its most overdone tropes.


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** Nirvana's contemporaries Music/PearlJam and Music/{{Soundgarden}} also played a heavy role in popularizing the most derided tropes of post-grunge, such as recycled ClassicRock riffs, {{Wangst}}y lyrics, and {{yarling}}. Even at the time, Pearl Jam's debut album ''Music/{{Ten}}'' attracted some HypeBacklash from Seattle grunge purists, with Cobain himself calling them "commercial {{sellout}}s", though their continued experimentation on ''Vs.'' and ''Vitalogy'' eventually won him and many other critics over.
22nd May '18 6:54:32 AM jormis29
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* A common criticism of many new attractions at Ride/UniversalStudios is that the parks' creative teams seem to have a love affair with "screen" attractions, often to the exclusion of more traditional rides and shows, with virtually every big-ticket attraction in TheNewTens being a motion-simulator-driven, 4-D short film where the visual effects and the ExcusePlot take precedence over the ride experience. Few were complaining, however, in 2010 when they first opened ''Ride/HarryPotterAndTheForbiddenJourney'' at Islands of Adventure. Boasting an AllStarCast of actors [[RoleReprisal reprising their roles]] from the ''Film/HarryPotter'' films, ''Forbidden Journey'' also made use of innovative KUKA arm technology that moved riders around in a fashion comparable to traditional thrill rides. While there had been motion simulators and 4-D films at Universal before, the massive success of this ride, which helped establish Universal UsefulNotes/{{Orlando}} Resort as a serious competitor to [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Disney World]], caused Universal to embrace motion simulators and 4-D films wholeheartedly going forward. Despite their merits as rides, however, it was the production values of ''The Forbidden Journey'' that seemed to have stuck in the heads of Universal's creatives, as later motion simulators toned down the thrills and placed the focus more on the CGI-filled action projected onto the screens surrounding the ride. The resulting complaint can be summed up as, "whatever happened to being able to '[[{{Tagline}} Ride the Movies]]' rather than watch them in rumble seats?", a complaint that reached a crescendo with the sharply negative reaction to ''[[Film/TheFastAndTheFurious Fast & Furious]]: Supercharged'' upon its opening in 2018.

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* A common criticism of many new attractions at Ride/UniversalStudios is that the parks' creative teams seem to have a love affair with "screen" attractions, often to the exclusion of more traditional rides and shows, with virtually every big-ticket attraction in TheNewTens being a motion-simulator-driven, 4-D short film where the visual effects and the ExcusePlot take precedence over the ride experience. Few were complaining, however, in 2010 when they first opened ''Ride/HarryPotterAndTheForbiddenJourney'' at Islands of Adventure. Boasting an AllStarCast of actors [[RoleReprisal reprising their roles]] from the ''Film/HarryPotter'' films, ''Forbidden Journey'' also made use of innovative KUKA arm technology that moved riders around in a fashion comparable to traditional thrill rides. While there had been motion simulators and 4-D films at Universal before, the massive success of this ride, which helped establish Universal UsefulNotes/{{Orlando}} Resort as a serious competitor to [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Disney World]], caused Universal to embrace motion simulators and 4-D films wholeheartedly going forward. Despite their merits as rides, however, it was the production values of ''The Forbidden Journey'' that seemed to have stuck in the heads of Universal's creatives, as later motion simulators toned down the thrills and placed the focus more on the CGI-filled action projected onto the screens surrounding the ride. The resulting complaint can be summed up as, "whatever happened to being able to '[[{{Tagline}} Ride the Movies]]' rather than watch them in rumble seats?", a complaint that reached a crescendo with the sharply negative reaction to ''[[Film/TheFastAndTheFurious Fast & Furious]]: Supercharged'' ''Ride/FastAndFuriousSupercharged'' upon its opening in 2018.
20th May '18 9:28:56 AM Glowsquid
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* One of the biggest criticisms of Cartoons in 2010 decade is the [[ItsTheSameSoItSucks over reliance]] of the ''ThinLineAnimation'' slapstick comedies that Cartoon Network started with ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime''. This isn't the first time cartoons copied each other. There were several cartoons in the 80s that looked similar and ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirBender'' that started the Anime inspired trend. Even Cartoon Network in their golden age had similar looking shows with ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'' and ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''. But there were still cartoons that still looked different and the ones that did go with the animation trend at the time still looked distinct enough compared to the original and were a different genre as well. Where as the majority cartoons of the 2010s are accused of being very homogeneous.
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