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28th Jun '16 6:11:31 AM AllenbysEyes88
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* Troy Steele at WebOriginal/BloggerBeware [[http://www.bloggerbeware.com/2008/05/16-one-day-at-horrorland.html argues]] that the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series was ruined by its sixteenth book, ''One Day at Horrorland''. While ''Horrorland'' became one of the series' most popular books, it eschewed the semi-realistic approach of earlier ''Goosebumps'' entries, where ordinary kids would encounter a low-key, supernatural menace within everyday environments (dummies, haunted masks, ghosts, etc.) in favor of a fantasy environment heavily populated by monsters (with a complement of gross-out effects). Because ''Horrorland'' was such a hit, Creator/RLStine revisited its basic formula again and again, to [[SeasonalRot rapidly diminishing returns]].

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* Troy Steele at WebOriginal/BloggerBeware [[http://www.bloggerbeware.com/2008/05/16-one-day-at-horrorland.html argues]] that the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series was ruined by its sixteenth book, ''One Day at Horrorland''. Horrorland'', long before the series' generally acknowledged decline. While ''Horrorland'' became one of the series' most popular books, it eschewed the semi-realistic approach of earlier ''Goosebumps'' entries, where ordinary kids would encounter encountered a low-key, supernatural menace (dummies, ghosts, haunted masks, etc.) within everyday environments (dummies, haunted masks, ghosts, etc.) environments, in favor of a fantasy environment heavily populated by monsters (with a complement of gross-out effects). Because ''Horrorland'' was such a hit, Creator/RLStine revisited its basic formula again and again, to [[SeasonalRot rapidly diminishing returns]].
28th Jun '16 6:05:34 AM AllenbysEyes88
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* Troy Steele at WebOriginal/BloggerBeware [[http://www.bloggerbeware.com/2008/05/16-one-day-at-horrorland.html argues]] that the ''Literature/{{Goosebumps}}'' series was ruined by its sixteenth book, ''One Day at Horrorland''. While ''Horrorland'' became one of the series' most popular books, it eschewed the semi-realistic approach of earlier ''Goosebumps'' entries, where ordinary kids would encounter a low-key, supernatural menace within everyday environments (dummies, haunted masks, ghosts, etc.) in favor of a fantasy environment heavily populated by monsters (with a complement of gross-out effects). Because ''Horrorland'' was such a hit, Creator/RLStine revisited its basic formula again and again, to [[SeasonalRot rapidly diminishing returns]].
25th Jun '16 4:55:10 AM SpinAttaxx
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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', unlike the games, has always had a habit of depicting multiple legendary Pokémon existing (as opposed to being SingleSpecimenSpecies), as well as rarely, if ever, reusing old legendaries (the Celebi from ''Anime/PokemonZoroarkMasterOfIllusions'' is not the same one as the one from ''Anime/Pokemon4Ever'', for instance). Though few complained about this, that changed with ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'' and its controversial move to use a brand new Mewtwo over the well-known and popular one from ''The First Movie''. Because Mewtwo was firmly established as a one-of-a-kind [[ArtificialHuman man-made Pokémon]] [[NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup who couldn't be replicated]] (and not naturally born like the aforementioned Celebi), many fans logically assumed it would be the same one from before, and thus were confused and upset when it turned out to be completely different.
21st Jun '16 6:47:17 PM gewunomox
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* Whereas the first two [[TheDoors Doors]] albums, ''The Doors'' and ''Strange Days'', are good enough that even the filler material is compelling, from ''Waiting For the Sun'' onwards the band increasingly came to be consumed by its esoteric mystique - the very same quality that had helped to fuel its success in the first place. The band's impenetrable WordSalad lyrics weren't too distracting when the music itself was so enjoyable, but the combination of inscrutable lyrics ''and'' mediocre tunes was just too much of a hurdle for the later albums to surmount...[[AuthorsSavingThrow until]] ''[[AuthorsSavingThrow L.A. Woman]]'', [[AuthorsSavingThrow that is]].

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* Whereas the first two [[TheDoors [[Music/TheDoors Doors]] albums, ''The Doors'' and ''Strange Days'', are good enough that even the filler material is compelling, from ''Waiting For the Sun'' onwards the band increasingly came to be consumed by its esoteric mystique - the very same quality that had helped to fuel its success in the first place. The band's impenetrable WordSalad lyrics weren't too distracting when the music itself was so enjoyable, but the combination of inscrutable lyrics ''and'' mediocre tunes was just too much of a hurdle for the later albums to surmount...[[AuthorsSavingThrow until]] ''[[AuthorsSavingThrow L.A. Woman]]'', [[AuthorsSavingThrow that is]].
16th Jun '16 4:47:58 PM chopshop
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* As [[http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6840773/confessions-of-a-former-internet-troll this article]] by a self-described former internet {{troll}} explains, the culture of trolling has always had a streak of fairly disreputable viewpoints that, in polite company, would likely get one shunned from the room ([[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown at the very least]]). The idea that there was a time before trolling was associated with extreme politics is entirely {{nostalgia|Filter}} for the 'good old days' of the internet. After all, extremism is a great way to press someone's BerserkButton and get the sort of reaction that trolls crave. What ''did'' change, on the other hand, was trolls [[SoapboxSadie taking themselves and those viewpoints seriously]], ironically becoming just as self-righteous, defensive, and thin-skinned as the people they used to mock. In the past, the end results of trolling were ultimately harmless, with the worst example possibly being a fake news article that would end with a huge 'gotcha' towards the reader. But as trolling got 'serious', attacks became far harsher than ever before. Doxing and [=SWATting=] have become common practices as a result of trolling, along with death threats which have had their targets fear they would be followed up upon (and a few cases of it being dangerously close to home). Trolling had gone from harmless pranks and ribbing to a serious form of attacking another person, akin to cyberbullying or cybercrime under a different name to avoid connotation.
** In turn, the tipping point for this transformation from "juvenile pranksters" to "juvenile pranksters [[SoapboxSadie with A Cause]]" can be seen in Project Chanology, the internet-based protest movement against the [[ChurchOfHappyology Church of Scientology]] in 2008-09 that first put the hacktivist organization Anonymous on the mainstream map. At the time, even many established critics of Scientology (such as Operation Clambake, [=XenuTV=], and Tory Christman), while agreeing with the movement's aims and its more mainstream supporters, felt that its more militant followers' use of harassment and [=DDoS=] attacks against the Church and its members went too far, and that it merely gave Scientologists ammunition to claim that their foes were bullies out to trample over their religious freedom. However, Scientology was an {{acceptable target|s}} in the eyes of many, and the Church had admittedly engaged in a great number of questionable acts, and so Project Chanology got a fairly positive reception. When later internet-based activist movements with [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment far more controversial aims]] started using the same tactics against ''their'' opponents, few people were so quick to praise them.
* Harassment over the internet for activism or counter-activism has existed for a long time; in fact, if you look back far enough, you can probably trace the problem as a whole throughout human history. However, the fact that cyberspace has become its own reality, in some ways more potent than the "real" one, has compounded the problem from a number of angles. Both public figures and works creators have fallen victim to it, often being forced to disengage from social media or quit their jobs when harassment became too much. Everyday people tend to fare even worse, often being 'doxxed" (having private information revealed) that forces them into hiding, and it sometimes outs someone with a checkered past that they'd matured from or outs people with private secrets that can hurt their lives (such as transgender people). The problem only gets worse when various sides blame each other.
* Related to the trolling issue is the cultural identity of an 'edgelord', someone who values [[VulgarHumor abrasive]], [[RefugeInAudacity offensive]], [[NauseaFuel disgusting]], [[BlackComedy morbid]], or otherwise [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]] content over other forms of expression. Edgelords typically bemoan societal standards that limit how offensive or abrasive they can be, viewing the ability to say something that offends other people as the epitome of freedom of speech, and feel that things were best back in the '80s and '90s when comedy, movies, television, anime, and other things pushed the envelope (especially before everything wanted to be PG). This attitude tends to be especially prominent in countries that put a high value on individualistic freedom, such as America. The problem is that the '80s and '90s were also well-known for their blatant homophobia and transphobia (and thus ''everything'' was doused in TestosteronePoisoning), and some forms of media (such as ComicBooks and {{Anime}}) had entered a DorkAge where things were dark, bloody, and unpleasant just for the sake of being so. NostalgiaFilter aside, many people look back at the excess edginess of those days and just cringe. This even lead to an anti-edgelord movement, where [[LighterAndSofter childishness]] is valued, and is facing similar criticisms.
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11th Jun '16 1:32:13 PM Doug86
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* A lot of the problems with ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' started with Creator/ChrisClaremont doing [[KudzuPlot too many things on the fly and not often planning ahead]]. But at least he didn't force those RunningTheAsylum now to take his older plots as canon gospel. That is their own fault.

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* A lot of the problems with ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' ''Comicbook/XMen'' started with Creator/ChrisClaremont doing [[KudzuPlot too many things on the fly and not often planning ahead]]. But at least he didn't force those RunningTheAsylum now to take his older plots as canon gospel. That is their own fault.
20th May '16 6:06:55 PM Kelothan
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* The entirety of ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' itself is a bit of a discourse on the "Return to the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]" movement that had arisen since the publication of ''ComicBook/KingdomCome''. The latter was written as a late-90s treatise on UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, showing the absurdity of Dark Age heroes with their KillEmAll stance, juxtaposing them against the Silver Age heroes with their ThouShaltNotKill stance. However, it was not afraid to point out that the Silver Age ideals were quite prone to believing in BlackAndWhiteMorality, TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, and thus [[NotSoAboveItAll they could very easily fall to using albeit nonviolent totalitarian tactics in order to make sure their ideals, and ONLY their ideals, were followed by other heroes]]. The final moral is that the two sides (Silver Age and Dark Age) must come to terms an analogy that a return to the [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] is best: Heroes should treat matters seriously as the gray areas they often are, but should never lose the convictions to do what's right, rather than just do what's easiest/most permanent. However many fans of, and authors at, DC misunderstood and figured this was the windfall that would allow them to return comics to their Silver Age {{Camp}}iness, if not completely return to Pre-Crisis status as a whole, and the years to come saw a multitude of attempts by various authors to do this. ''Infinite Crisis'', then, pointed out that while the Dark Age was admittedly an OldShame, fans and authors also needed to take off the NostalgiaFilter and realize that while the Silver Age has a lot to offer in terms of plot devices and elements, it was also filled with tons of embarrassingly-badly-written nonsense that should just be forgotten.

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* The entirety of ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' itself is a bit of a discourse on the "Return to the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]]" movement that had arisen since the publication of ''ComicBook/KingdomCome''. The latter was written as a late-90s treatise on UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, showing the absurdity of Dark Age heroes with their KillEmAll stance, juxtaposing them against the Silver Age heroes with their ThouShaltNotKill stance. However, it was not afraid to point out that the Silver Age ideals were quite prone to believing in BlackAndWhiteMorality, TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong, and thus [[NotSoAboveItAll they could very easily fall to using albeit nonviolent totalitarian tactics in order to make sure their ideals, and ONLY their ideals, were followed by other heroes]]. The final moral is that the two sides (Silver Age and Dark Age) must come to terms an analogy that a return to the [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] is best: Heroes should treat matters seriously as the gray areas they often are, but should never lose the convictions to do what's right, rather than just do what's easiest/most permanent. However many fans of, and authors at, DC misunderstood and figured this was the windfall that would allow them to return comics to their Silver Age {{Camp}}iness, if not completely return to Pre-Crisis status as a whole, and the years to come saw a multitude of attempts by various authors to do this. ''Infinite Crisis'', then, pointed out that while the Dark Age was admittedly an OldShame, fans and authors also needed to take off the NostalgiaFilter and realize that while the Silver Age has a lot to offer in terms of plot devices and elements, it was also filled with tons of embarrassingly-badly-written nonsense that should just be forgotten.forgotten, or remembered as SoBadItsGood.



* Related to the trolling issue is the cultural identity of an 'edgelord', someone who values [[VulgarHumor abrasive]], [[RefugeInAudacity offensive]], [[NauseaFuel disgusting]], [[BlackComedy morbid]], or otherwise [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]] content over other forms of expression. Edgelords typically bemoan societal standards that limit how offensive or abrasive they can be, viewing the ability to say something that offends other people as the epitome of freedom of speech, and feel that things were best back in the '80s and '90s when comedy, movies, television, anime, and other things pushed the envelope (especially before everything wanted to be PG). This attitude tends to be especially prominent in countries that put a high value on individualistic freedom, such as America. The problem is that the '80s and '90s were also well-known for their blatant homophobia and transphobia (and thus ''everything'' was doused in TestosteronePoisoning), and some forms of media (such as ComicBooks and {{Anime}}) had entered a DorkAge where things were dark, bloody, and unpleasant just for the sake of being so. NostalgiaFilter aside, many people look back at the excess edginess of those days and just cringe.

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* Related to the trolling issue is the cultural identity of an 'edgelord', someone who values [[VulgarHumor abrasive]], [[RefugeInAudacity offensive]], [[NauseaFuel disgusting]], [[BlackComedy morbid]], or otherwise [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]] content over other forms of expression. Edgelords typically bemoan societal standards that limit how offensive or abrasive they can be, viewing the ability to say something that offends other people as the epitome of freedom of speech, and feel that things were best back in the '80s and '90s when comedy, movies, television, anime, and other things pushed the envelope (especially before everything wanted to be PG). This attitude tends to be especially prominent in countries that put a high value on individualistic freedom, such as America. The problem is that the '80s and '90s were also well-known for their blatant homophobia and transphobia (and thus ''everything'' was doused in TestosteronePoisoning), and some forms of media (such as ComicBooks and {{Anime}}) had entered a DorkAge where things were dark, bloody, and unpleasant just for the sake of being so. NostalgiaFilter aside, many people look back at the excess edginess of those days and just cringe. This even lead to an anti-edgelord movement, where [[LighterAndSofter childishness]] is valued, and is facing similar criticisms.
3rd May '16 1:02:18 AM Adept
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->''"To me, all the fatal flaws fanboys bitched about in regards to the ''[Franchise/StarWars]'' prequels stiff dialogue, wooden performances, a convoluted plot, and mindless spectacle divorced from human emotion were there from the very beginning."''
-->--'''Creator/NathanRabin''', ''[[http://www.avclub.com/article/my-year-of-flops-case-file-111-go-flop-go-edition--2339 My Year Of Flops Case File #111]]'', ''[[Website/TheOnion The A.V. Club]]''

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21st Apr '16 8:17:39 PM Kelothan
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->''"To me, all the fatal flaws fanboys bitched about in regards to the ''[Franchise/StarWars]'' prequels stiff dialogue, wooden performances, a convoluted plot, and mindless spectacle divorced from human emotion were there from the very beginning."''
-->--'''Creator/NathanRabin''', ''[[http://www.avclub.com/article/my-year-of-flops-case-file-111-go-flop-go-edition--2339 My Year Of Flops Case File #111]]'', ''[[Website/TheOnion The A.V. Club]]''
19th Apr '16 12:58:58 AM Tuckerscreator
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->"It was there in the beginning, but without the good parts balancing it out"

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->"It was ->''"To me, all the fatal flaws fanboys bitched about in regards to the ''[Franchise/StarWars]'' prequels stiff dialogue, wooden performances, a convoluted plot, and mindless spectacle divorced from human emotion were there in from the beginning, but without the good parts balancing it out"
very beginning."''
-->--'''Creator/NathanRabin''', ''[[http://www.avclub.com/article/my-year-of-flops-case-file-111-go-flop-go-edition--2339 My Year Of Flops Case File #111]]'', ''[[Website/TheOnion The A.V. Club]]''
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