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12th Nov '17 10:44:25 PM Emperor_Oshron
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* In Islam, when the final judgment takes place, each of the dead will be judged one last time but have little chance to defend themselves. This isn't out of malice--it's because everything is already recorded and therefore anything they ''would'' say to defend or justify themselves is already known and they're quickly shuffled off to their respective places in the afterlife.
11th Nov '17 10:09:04 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'': Shoujo drama surrounding the court of Versailles on the eve of the Revolution. While the fates of the fictional characters are uncertain, everyone and his dog knows what happens to MarieAntoinette and Louis XVI.

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* ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'': ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'':
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Shoujo drama surrounding the court of Versailles on the eve of the Revolution. While the fates of the fictional characters are uncertain, everyone and his dog knows what happens to MarieAntoinette Creator/MarieAntoinette and Louis XVI.



* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' does this by showing the ''very'' spoileriffic aftermath of the two main plots (i.e. [[spoiler:Firo and Luck becoming immortal, Ladd losing an arm and being thrown off the train, most of the focus characters surviving the Flying Pussyfoot massacre, Chane accepting Claire's proposal]]) in the very first episode. The trick is that it's [[JigsawPuzzlePlot entirely out of context and makes no sense]] until you get through the series at least once, and that the ''real'' wham moments (such as [[spoiler:the Rail Tracer being Claire]]) are left for the rest of the show.
** [[spoiler: Unless you read the first episode credits, of course.]]

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* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' does this by showing the ''very'' spoileriffic aftermath of the two main plots (i.e. [[spoiler:Firo and Luck becoming immortal, Ladd losing an arm and being thrown off the train, most of the focus characters surviving the Flying Pussyfoot massacre, Chane accepting Claire's proposal]]) in the very first episode. The trick is that it's [[JigsawPuzzlePlot entirely out of context and makes no sense]] until you get through the series at least once, and that the ''real'' wham moments (such as [[spoiler:the Rail Tracer being Claire]]) are left for the rest of the show.
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show. [[spoiler: Unless you read the first episode credits, of course.]]



* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' practically revolves around one of these, given that Hiroyuki Takei practically tells the audience [[spoiler:Hao will become the Shaman King. There is no one in the series capable of standing up to him]]. He still does an amazing job of revealing backstories and setting up the ending on the way there.
** This is thankfully averted in the anime [[spoiler: where Hao is defeated and he is [[BroughtDownToNormal stripped of his godly powers]], [[KilledOffForReal preventing him from becoming a problem again]]]].

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* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' practically revolves around one of these, given that Hiroyuki Takei practically tells the audience [[spoiler:Hao will become the Shaman King. There is no one in the series capable of standing up to him]]. He still does an amazing job of revealing backstories and setting up the ending on the way there.
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there. This is thankfully averted in the anime [[spoiler: where Hao is defeated and he is [[BroughtDownToNormal stripped of his godly powers]], [[KilledOffForReal preventing him from becoming a problem again]]]].



* ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet''. [[ItWasHisSled Well,]] ''[[Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet duh!]]''
** [[spoiler: But did the original end with an epic showdown against the OneWingedAngel form of a CreepyChild who speaks in verse or a HeroicSacrifice to save the story's world? Didn't think so.]]
** The series does toy a bit with the idea of letting Romeo and Juliet defy their ultimate destiny, before just going "Nah."

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* ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet''. [[ItWasHisSled Well,]] ''[[Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet duh!]]''
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duh!]]'' [[spoiler: But did the original end with an epic showdown against the OneWingedAngel form of a CreepyChild who speaks in verse or a HeroicSacrifice to save the story's world? Didn't think so.]]
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]] The series does toy a bit with the idea of letting Romeo and Juliet defy their ultimate destiny, before just going "Nah."



* In ''WebComic/AxisPowersHetalia'', for anyone who knows [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII their history]], the Axis will lose.
** Although it has little bearing on the series' continuity itself...despite the name.

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* In ''WebComic/AxisPowersHetalia'', for ''WebComic/AxisPowersHetalia'':
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anyone who knows [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII their history]], the Axis will lose.
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lose. Although it has little bearing on the series' continuity itself...itself... despite the name.



* ''Manga/OnePiece'' has the Skypiea arc, where a giant island got blown up into the [[FloatingContinent clouds]], during the arc, you learn about how some four hundred years in the past, an explorer was best friends with a warrior from the aforementioned island, the explorer leaves and promises to return, considering that the Straw Hat's learn about the explorer from a fairytale/propaganda piece where he gets executed and the main characters are on the island in the clouds, it's not exactly a surprise that the story doesn't end well.

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* ''Manga/OnePiece'' ''Manga/OnePiece'':
** ''One Piece''
has the Skypiea arc, where a giant island got blown up into the [[FloatingContinent clouds]], during the arc, you learn about how some four hundred years in the past, an explorer was best friends with a warrior from the aforementioned island, the explorer leaves and promises to return, considering that the Straw Hat's learn about the explorer from a fairytale/propaganda piece where he gets executed and the main characters are on the island in the clouds, it's not exactly a surprise that the story doesn't end well.



* A ''Manga/{{Naruto}} Shippuden'' {{filler}} takes a character from the manga who we only knew from sourcebooks and from a manga spread and spread it out. The character is Utakata, a rogue ninja from the hidden mist village and host of the six-tailed beast. Unfortunately, anyone who read the manga knew that he did not show up and was implied to have been captured off-screen. So this obviously was ''not'' [[DoomedByCanon going to end on a happy note]]...

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'':
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A ''Manga/{{Naruto}} ''Naruto Shippuden'' {{filler}} takes a character from the manga who we only knew from sourcebooks and from a manga spread and spread it out. The character is Utakata, a rogue ninja from the hidden mist village Hidden Mist Village and host of the six-tailed beast. Unfortunately, anyone who read the manga knew that he did not show up and was implied to have been captured off-screen. So this obviously was ''not'' [[DoomedByCanon going to end on a happy note]]...



* In ''InazumaEleven'', most of the time the soccer matches and battles resolve around either one of two things: it's a match in a soccer tournament, or it's a match for justice. Plus it's shown that they ALWAYS manage to win during once of these matches. This makes it a foregone conclusion that the protagonist team will manage to overcome their challenges and hardships. But then subverted in season 3 [[spoiler:where they lose a match, and only manage to draw in another, during the Football Frontier International tournament. Although it was a match during the group stages, so it doesn't automatically disqualify them]].

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* In ''InazumaEleven'', ''VideoGame/InazumaEleven'', most of the time the soccer matches and battles resolve around either one of two things: it's a match in a soccer tournament, or it's a match for justice. Plus it's shown that they ALWAYS manage to win during once of these matches. This makes it a foregone conclusion that the protagonist team will manage to overcome their challenges and hardships. But then subverted in season 3 [[spoiler:where they lose a match, and only manage to draw in another, during the Football Frontier International tournament. Although it was a match during the group stages, so it doesn't automatically disqualify them]].



* The mini-series ''Hunger'' revolves around Rick Jones and the Comicbook/SilverSurfer desperately trying to stop Comicbook/{{Galactus}} before he can begin his attack on the Comicbook/UltimateMarvel version of Earth. Since Marvel has announced their next CrisisCrossover, ''Comicbook/{{Cataclysm|TheUltimatesLastStand}}'' (in which Galactus arrives on Earth and battles a bevy of Ultimate Marvel heroes), the readers are now keenly aware that Rick and the Surfer are going to fail in their objective.

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* The mini-series ''Hunger'' revolves around Rick Jones and the Comicbook/SilverSurfer desperately trying to stop Comicbook/{{Galactus}} before he can begin his attack on the Comicbook/UltimateMarvel version of Earth. Since Marvel has announced their next CrisisCrossover, ''Comicbook/{{Cataclysm|TheUltimatesLastStand}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Cataclysm|TheUltimatesLastStand}}'' (in which Galactus arrives on Earth and battles a bevy of Ultimate Marvel heroes), the readers are now keenly aware that Rick and the Surfer are going to fail in their objective.




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* In ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', Maria was a dying IllGirl who ended up shot in an incident. In the oneshot ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11913567/1/Snow-Angel Snow Angel]]'', Shadow and Maria both escape and make it down to Earth... However, being on Earth doesn't magically cure Maria's NIDS. Maria ends up using the last of her medicine within a few weeks and she still dies, just now as soon or as violently as she did in canon.
29th Oct '17 2:18:36 PM nombretomado
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* ClassicalMythology also has a strong concept of fate, as evidenced in the story of Oedipus.

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* ClassicalMythology also Myth/ClassicalMythology has a strong concept of fate, as evidenced in the story of Oedipus.
16th Oct '17 6:47:23 AM ChronoLegion
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* Since ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' takes place 10 years before [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]], several things can already be assumed about the Federation-Klingon War (it's not going to end in a Klingon victory) and the prototype spore drive (it's not going to revolutionize space travel).
30th Sep '17 8:46:14 PM merotoker
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->''"My name is Lester Burnham. This is my neighborhood; this is my street; this is my life. I'm 42 years old. [[PosthumousNarration In less than a year I'll be dead.]]"''

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->''"My name is Lester Burnham. This is my neighborhood; this is my street; this is my life. I'm 42 years old. [[PosthumousNarration In less than a year I'll be dead.]]"''"''



** Also {{Invoked}} in-story early-on by Oscar when she's forced to pick sides in the conflict between the Countess Du Barry, lover of king Louis XV, and Marie Antoinette, then merely the wife of the heir to the throne: she quickly reasons that Du Barry may be the more powerful in that moment thanks to the king's support, but the king was old and in that moment she would lose all her power at the same time Marie Antoinette became queen, so she picked Marie Antoinette's side. Just as expected, Du Barry ultimately wins their contention-and then, less than two years later, Louis XV dies, making her victory completely meaningless.

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** Also {{Invoked}} {{invoked|Trope}} in-story early-on by Oscar when she's forced to pick sides in the conflict between the Countess Du Barry, lover of king Louis XV, and Marie Antoinette, then merely the wife of the heir to the throne: she quickly reasons that Du Barry may be the more powerful in that moment thanks to the king's support, but the king was old and in that moment she would lose all her power at the same time Marie Antoinette became queen, so she picked Marie Antoinette's side. Just as expected, Du Barry ultimately wins their contention-and then, less than two years later, Louis XV dies, making her victory completely meaningless.



** ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Resurrection 'F']]'' takes place [[{{Interquel}} after the Buu Saga, but before the World Tournament where Goku meets Uub]]. So suffice it to say, it's not a matter of ''if'' the revived Freeza is going to be beaten by Goku, but rather a matter of ''when'' and ''how''. [[spoiler:{{Subverted}} when Frieza actually ''wins'', if barely, and even kills Vegeta and destroys Earth before Whis rewinds time]].

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** ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Resurrection 'F']]'' takes place [[{{Interquel}} after the Buu Saga, but before the World Tournament where Goku meets Uub]]. So suffice it to say, it's not a matter of ''if'' the revived Freeza is going to be beaten by Goku, but rather a matter of ''when'' and ''how''. [[spoiler:{{Subverted}} [[spoiler:{{Subverted|Trope}} when Frieza actually ''wins'', if barely, and even kills Vegeta and destroys Earth before Whis rewinds time]].



** This can be said for pretty much every ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' MidQuel regardless of media. No matter how many {{Super Prototype}}s are fielded, no matter how the main character is treated as "the greatest AcePilot the world has never known", it's not going to go against the anime.

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** This can be said for pretty much every ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' MidQuel midquel regardless of media. No matter how many {{Super Prototype}}s are fielded, no matter how the main character is treated as "the greatest AcePilot the world has never known", it's not going to go against the anime.



* The official {{Midquel}} ''Disney/BambiII'' also has one. [[spoiler:During the climax Bambi falls off a cliff and seemingly dies. The scene exists solely to galvanise the bond between him and his father from this near loss, since everyone in the audience knows Bambi has to live past half of the original film's chronology.]]

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* The official {{Midquel}} [[{{Interquel}} midquel]] ''Disney/BambiII'' also has one. [[spoiler:During the climax Bambi falls off a cliff and seemingly dies. The scene exists solely to galvanise the bond between him and his father from this near loss, since everyone in the audience knows Bambi has to live past half of the original film's chronology.]]



** "Symphony Of Illumination" subverted the trope, [[spoiler: using the framing device of having Robin talking to her kids at some point in the future. She then gets told she's infertile, implying at first that it's this trope and that it will turn out she can have kids after all. Then at the end it turned out the kids only existed in her imagination and she really was infertile.]]

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** "Symphony Of Illumination" subverted the trope, [[spoiler: using the framing device of having Robin talking to her kids at some point in the future. She then gets told she's infertile, implying at first that it's this trope and that it will turn out she can have kids after all. Then at the end it turned out the kids only existed in her imagination and she really was infertile.]] infertile]].



*** The DLC ones, the Huntress and the Doppelgänger, are the only ones who subvert this trope because they weren't even supposed to be in the middle of this mayhem at all, so details about them are foggy. [[spoiler: Aurelia, the Huntress and Sir Hammerlock's sister, gets simply way too disgusted with Jack's newfound, growing ruthlessness, [[TokenEvilTeammate despise her being kin to all this violence and status stamping]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards and cut all ties after one too many lines crossed]].]] [[spoiler:And Timothy Lawrence, the Doppelgänger, being a body double to Jack himself, not only feels the same way as the former (despise only being evil, technically, [[PunchClockVillain by mortgage]]), but also is forever carrying the visage of the new Public Enemy #1, which puts ''his'' neck in the line of quite a few assassins. The game hints that he is constantly on the run because of this, and in so far his fate is the only unclear one of the whole cast.]]

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*** The DLC ones, the Huntress and the Doppelgänger, are the only ones who subvert this trope because they weren't even supposed to be in the middle of this mayhem at all, so details about them are foggy. [[spoiler: Aurelia, the Huntress and Sir Hammerlock's sister, gets simply way too disgusted with Jack's newfound, growing ruthlessness, [[TokenEvilTeammate despise her being kin to all this violence and status stamping]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards and cut all ties after one too many lines crossed]].]] [[spoiler:And And Timothy Lawrence, the Doppelgänger, being a body double to Jack himself, not only feels the same way as the former (despise only being evil, technically, [[PunchClockVillain by mortgage]]), but also is forever carrying the visage of the new Public Enemy #1, which puts ''his'' neck in the line of quite a few assassins. The game hints that he is constantly on the run because of this, and in so far his fate is the only unclear one of the whole cast.]]
24th Sep '17 11:43:16 PM ddyingle
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%% * ''Film/DragMeToHell''

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%% * ''Film/DragMeToHell''''Film/DragMeToHell''. It's right in the title.


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* ''Film/GodsOfEgypt'', along with a ForgottenFramingDevice sort.
24th Sep '17 11:28:06 PM ddyingle
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* ''Film/Ghost1990'' is a case where the advertising and in some cases even the subtitle "Message from Sam" do the Foregone Conclusion without the movie itself actually hinting at it at the beginning. If anyone went into that movie, not knowing that Sam will die, they must have been blind ''and'' deaf.

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* ''Film/Ghost1990'' is a case where the advertising and in some cases even the subtitle "Message from Sam" do the Foregone Conclusion ForegoneConclusion without the movie itself actually hinting at it at the beginning. If anyone went into that movie, not knowing that Sam will die, they must have been blind ''and'' deaf.
23rd Sep '17 12:53:15 PM Theatre_Maven_3695
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[[folder:Real Life]]
* We know what will happen to the Sun in a few billion years, and it doesn't look good for the Earth. We ''might'' know what will happen to the universe in a few more billion years, but science hasn't decided yet. Whatever it is, it doesn't look good for life in any case.
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17th Sep '17 3:55:01 PM shokoshu
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[[folder:Real Life]]
* We know what will happen to the Sun in a few billion years, and it doesn't look good for the Earth. We ''might'' know what will happen to the universe in a few more billion years, but science hasn't decided yet. Whatever it is, it doesn't look good for life in any case.
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30th Aug '17 5:51:54 PM BillyMT
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*** The DLC ones, the Huntress and the Doppelgänger, are the only ones who subvert this trope because they weren't even supposed to be in the middle of this mayhem at all, so details about them are foggy. [[spoiler: Aurelia, the Huntress and Sir Hammerlock's sister, gets simply way too disgusted with Jack's newfound, growing ruthlessness, [[TokenEvilTeammate despise her being kin to all this violence and status stamping]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards and cut all ties after one too many lines crossed]].]] [[spoiler:And Timothy Lawrence, the Doppelgänger, being a body double to Jack himself, not only feels the same way as the former (despise only being evil, technically, [[PunchClockVillain by mortgage]]), but also is forever carrying the visage of the new Public Enemy #1, which puts ''his'' neck in the line of quite a few assassins. The game hints that he is constantly on the run because of this, and in so far his fate is the only unclear one of the whole cast.]]
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