History Main / ForeGoneConclusion

24th Apr '17 2:10:36 PM nighttrainfm
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** At the beginning of the episode "Doomsday", Rose Tyler's voiceover says, "This is the story of how I died." Of course it turns out that [[spoiler: she's only considered dead in our world because she's trapped, and quite alive, in an alternative dimension with no apparent way back to this one...except that she appears in the first episode of]] series 4, [[spoiler:before disappearing in a flash of light, and comes back later in the season]].
** Also any time they go back to famous events, Pompeii, the Reign of Terror, Madame du Pompadour, World War I, World War II, etc., the world doesn't end -- big shock.
** In the 4th series, River Song dies in the double episode she is introduced, but is capable of time travel... effectively making her immortal whenever she appears in other episodes.
** In the first part of the Series 5 finale, [[spoiler: van Gogh's expression of the TARDIS exploding is passed through the centuries]]. Earlier on, a chunk of an exploded TARDIS is extracted by The Doctor from a time crack. However, [[spoiler: The entire reality in which the event happened is wiped out and [[ResetButton replaced by a similar one]]]].

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** At the beginning of the episode "Doomsday", Rose Tyler's voiceover says, "This is the story of how I died." Of course it turns out that [[spoiler: she's only considered dead in our world because she's trapped, and quite alive, in an alternative dimension with no apparent way back to this one...except that she appears in the first episode of]] of series 4, [[spoiler:before four before disappearing in a flash of light, and comes back later in the season]].
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** Also any time they go back to famous events, events: Pompeii, the Reign of Terror, Madame du Pompadour, World War I, World War II, etc., the world doesn't end -- big shock.
** In the 4th fourth series, River Song dies in the double episode she is introduced, but is capable of time travel... effectively making her immortal whenever she appears in other episodes.
episodes. Her later appearances mention that she ''could'', [[TemporalMutability theoretically]], still die, but naturally she doesn't.
** In the first part of the Series 5 finale, [[spoiler: van Gogh's expression of the TARDIS exploding is passed through the centuries]]. centuries.]] Earlier on, a chunk of an exploded TARDIS is extracted by The Doctor from a time crack. However, [[spoiler: The the entire reality in which the event happened is wiped out and [[ResetButton replaced by a similar one]]]]. one]].]]
23rd Apr '17 10:52:31 AM jeez
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* ''[[Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague]]'': In the aptly-named chapter, ''Estermann Office Observation Transcript Excerpt from Tuesday, November 22, 2015'', lawyer Alexander Estermann, judge Colm Mullan and Lyra Heartstrings swear each other to secrecy over [[spoiler:the revelation of Lyra's true identity, as well Colm's and Estermann's secret meetings]]. However, considering the format of the chapter ''itself''[[spoiler: (a surveillance transcript penned by some mysterious third party that had been listening in on the conversation)]], this secrecy evidently does not last very long.

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* ''[[Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague]]'': ''Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague'': In the aptly-named chapter, ''Estermann Office Observation Transcript Excerpt from Tuesday, November 22, 2015'', lawyer Alexander Estermann, judge Colm Mullan and Lyra Heartstrings swear each other to secrecy over [[spoiler:the revelation of Lyra's true identity, as well Colm's and Estermann's secret meetings]]. However, considering the format of the chapter ''itself''[[spoiler: (a surveillance transcript penned by some mysterious third party that had been listening in on the conversation)]], this secrecy evidently does not last very long.
23rd Apr '17 10:52:13 AM jeez
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* ''[[Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague]]'': In the aptly-named chapter, ''Estermann Office Observation Transcript Excerpt from Tuesday, November 22, 2015'', lawyer Alexander Estermann, judge Colm Mullan and Lyra Heartstrings swear each other to secrecy over [[spoiler:the revelation of Lyra's true identity, as well Colm's and Estermann's secret meetings]]. However, considering the format of the chapter ''itself''[[spoiler: (a surveillance transcript penned by some mysterious third party that had been listening in on the conversation)]], this secrecy evidently does not last very long.
22nd Apr '17 9:43:32 AM Fireblood
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* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships. Rather, he supported historical ''materialism'' which says everything is caused by material factors (most notably your economic system in his case) but this needn't be deterministic.

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* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships. Rather, he supported historical ''materialism'' which says everything is caused by material factors (most notably with your economic system in his case) but this needn't be deterministic.
22nd Apr '17 9:42:12 AM Fireblood
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* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships.

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* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships. Rather, he supported historical ''materialism'' which says everything is caused by material factors (most notably your economic system in his case) but this needn't be deterministic.
* Calvinism offers us ''theistic'' determinism, saying God has predestined the fate of all human beings (differing on details such as whether this took place before or after the Fall of Man). Some forms of Hinduism do also.


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* ClassicalMythology also has a strong concept of fate, as evidenced in the story of Oedipus.
22nd Apr '17 9:37:08 AM Fireblood
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* ''Series/ChicagoJustice'': As [=LaRoyce=] Hawkins will still finish Season 4 of 'Chicago PD', it is a guarantee he will not be convicted in "Uncertainty Principle". The only question is how. [[spoiler: It turns out that the victim's cellmate had killed him over cigarettes]].
19th Apr '17 1:37:03 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* Since ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' is a prequel to ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'', if you've played the latter you know certain things will happen; Malakim will become known as Seraphim, humans will stop being able to see them except with strong enough resonance, and the daemonblight will become malevolence and remain to plague the world. Exactly what happens to lead to this, and what happens to the main characters, however, isn't known except in specific cases such as Eizen, who will become a dragon by the time of Zestiria and thus will live out Berseria.
12th Apr '17 8:56:29 AM GentlemensDame883
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* ''Anime/YourName'' shows from the first scene the protagonists appear in that [[spoiler:Mitsuha will survive to adulthood; once the reveal hits, the question is "how"?]]
1st Apr '17 12:20:43 AM RisefromYourGrave
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* ''Disney/LiloAndStitch2StitchHasAGlitch'': Near the end of the film, Stitch [[spoiler:dies shortly after being put in the fusion chamber made to fix him]]. However, since this film takes place before the events of ''WesternAnimation/StitchTheMovie'', which was released two years earlier as the PilotMovie of ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'', then those watching ''Lilo & Stitch 2'' who are aware of the existence of ''The Series''will know that [[spoiler:[[DisneyDeath Stitch's death doesn't take]]]].

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* ''Disney/LiloAndStitch2StitchHasAGlitch'': Near the end of the film, Stitch [[spoiler:dies shortly after being put in the fusion chamber made to fix him]]. However, since this film takes place before the events of ''WesternAnimation/StitchTheMovie'', which was released two years earlier as the PilotMovie of ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries'', then those watching ''Lilo & Stitch 2'' who are aware of the existence of ''The Series''will Series'' will know that [[spoiler:[[DisneyDeath Stitch's death doesn't take]]]].
22nd Mar '17 7:46:31 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Film/LettersFromIwoJima'': Even the Japanese are GenreSavvy enough to realize that their situation is basically {{Unwinnable}}. Really, the only question is whether Saigo will survive the battle or not. [[spoiler:He does, and is actually better off, as he is sent to a internment camp, internment camps were actually just boring holding camps, and he gets a free life in the US, and may still be friends with his American friend.]]

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* ''Film/LettersFromIwoJima'': Even the Japanese are GenreSavvy enough to realize that their situation is basically {{Unwinnable}}. Really, the only question is whether Saigo will survive the battle or not. [[spoiler:He does, and is actually better off, as he is sent to a internment camp, internment camps were actually just boring holding camps, and he gets a free life in the US, and may still be friends with his American friend.]]



* As mentioned in the {{Film}} section above, if a story has a {{Narrator}}, you can generally assume they will live to the end, though there are of course subversions. [[Series/WireInTheBlood Val McDermid]] loves subverting this trope (so much so that a [[GenreSavvy fan of her writing]] may start to expect it). Many of her books switch back and forth between two or three narrators, letting you assume that at least those two or three characters will make it... only to have one of them be brutally murdered halfway through the story.

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* As mentioned in the {{Film}} section above, if a story has a {{Narrator}}, you can generally assume they will live to the end, though there are of course subversions. [[Series/WireInTheBlood Val McDermid]] loves subverting this trope (so much so that a [[GenreSavvy fan of her writing]] writing may start to expect it). Many of her books switch back and forth between two or three narrators, letting you assume that at least those two or three characters will make it... only to have one of them be brutally murdered halfway through the story.



* Documentaries seem to use this trope all too often, especially if they're covering things like shark attacks or storms. The very presence of an interviewee talking about how they felt during the incident that nearly killed them thoroughly implies that they survived. No interview? Probably didn't make it. Occasionally, however, a GenreSavvy director will leave the victim out of the interviews until after their survival has been established.

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* Documentaries seem to use this trope all too often, especially if they're covering things like shark attacks or storms. The very presence of an interviewee talking about how they felt during the incident that nearly killed them thoroughly implies that they survived. No interview? Probably didn't make it. Occasionally, however, a GenreSavvy director will leave the victim out of the interviews until after their survival has been established.
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