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26th May '16 3:59:35 PM KouTheMad
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* In a recent episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{American Dad}}'' Steve, who was previously shown to be rather pious, all of a sudden claims to not believe in it due to it not being scientific.........Despite the fact that in earlier Episodes His sister and her husband adopted the LITERAL Anti-Christ, who proceeded to mind control him into turning his head 180 degrees, walk on walls, and speak in Aramaic. Not to mention the Episode where his Mother's Frustrated Sexuality took the form of a ghost and possessed the house. And His Grandfather became KRAMPUS. Also Santa, who has actual magic, tries to kill him and his family every Christmas. And that's not counting the episodes he DIDN'T have a part in or was fixed by reset button, and this is a show with more continuity than Family Guy does. Given all that, his VERY SUDDEN lack of belief is very bizarre.
26th May '16 2:12:18 PM Worldclock
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** In the episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS5E6Cartmanland Cartmanland]]", Kyle loses faith in God. This is despite the fact that the boys have met Jesus and {{Satan}} in the past. In one episode, they even meet God itself. Although, it could be that he just believes that God doesn't care, as opposed to God doesn't exist. Never mind that he is Jewish, while knowing that Jesus exists and has holy powers. Also, it ''is'' [[RuleOfFunny South Park]]. There are actually a minority of Jews who believe in Jesus in RealLife, although other Jews might be skeptical if they can still be called "Jews" after that. In general, they believe that Jesus was a MessianicArchetype, but otherwise practice Judaism, which probably makes them quite close in practice to some of the earliest Christians.
*** They really, really aren't Jews. Not only is it quite clear that most of the actual recruiters for the Messianic organizations actually members of the mainline Christian parent organizations, but there aren't even enough actual Jews to point out that the way they "practice Judaism" is more of a Christian's idea of how Judaism is practiced. For one notable example, Jews for Jesus actually advertizes that it believes in original sin as a commonality with mainstream Judaism. Original sin is an exclusively Christian interpretation.

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** In the episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS5E6Cartmanland Cartmanland]]", Kyle loses faith in God. This is despite the fact that the boys have met Jesus and {{Satan}} in the past. In one episode, they even meet God itself. Although, it could be that he just believes that God doesn't care, as opposed to God doesn't exist. Never mind that he is Jewish, while knowing that Jesus exists and has holy powers. Also, it ''is'' [[RuleOfFunny South Park]]. There are actually a minority of Jews who believe in Jesus in RealLife, although other Jews might be skeptical if they can still be called "Jews" after that. In general, they believe that Jesus was a MessianicArchetype, but otherwise practice Judaism, which probably makes them quite close in practice to some of the earliest Christians.
*** They really, really aren't Jews. Not only is it quite clear that most of the
though their actual recruiters for [[BuffySpeak Jewness]] is controversial to say the Messianic organizations actually members of the mainline Christian parent organizations, but there aren't even enough actual Jews to point out that the way they "practice Judaism" is more of a Christian's idea of how Judaism is practiced. For one notable example, Jews for Jesus actually advertizes that it believes in original sin as a commonality with mainstream Judaism. Original sin is an exclusively Christian interpretation.least.
23rd May '16 6:37:03 AM mrthischarmingman2
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** Averted with The Pain and The End in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid5ThePhantomPain'', where it turns out that they gained their abilities after being infected by a parasite.
21st May '16 8:57:48 PM Fireblood
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* In ''Second Glance'', [[ItsAWonderfulPlot a movie that's essentially]] ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'' but with a young Christian wishing he wasn't a believer, rather than never having existed. So an angel makes it happens and walks him through a day in his life as a non-believer. Apart from many cringeworthy UnfortunateImplications and {{Hollywood Atheist}}s, there's the very odd part of the protagonist living as an unbeliever through an explicit miracle, narrated by an angel.

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* In ''Second Glance'', [[ItsAWonderfulPlot a movie that's essentially]] ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'' but with a young Christian wishing he wasn't a believer, rather than never having existed. So an angel makes it happens happen and walks him through a day in his life as a non-believer. Apart from many cringeworthy UnfortunateImplications and {{Hollywood Atheist}}s, there's the very odd part of the protagonist living as an unbeliever through an explicit miracle, narrated by an angel. This would be in keeping with the common idea of atheists being just deniers, perhaps.
21st May '16 8:29:03 PM Fireblood
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While some authors do this as an honest philosophical exercise, it's almost always PlayedForLaughs. A self-styled hardline atheist that just happens to live in a high fantasy setting brimming with both [[FantasyPantheon huge pantheons of gods]] rampaging around the landscape constantly causing all sorts of things to happen, and the worshipers that pray to (and immediately hear back from) said pantheons of rampaging deities. Maybe they don't believe in the gods at all, and are totally nuts, maybe they're completely in denial about the existence of gods, or maybe they're feigning disbelief in hopes of ending their worship and bringing about some kind of [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Götterdämmerung]] or whatever. Sometimes the character ''himself'' is a god (typically a loony one). Sometimes this is a direct attempt to discredit science by comparing it to religion: Instead of using the scientific method, as a scientist does, the strawman atheist relies himself on a devout faith -- in this case a faith that "[[StrawVulcan science]]" holds all the answers, despite obvious proof to the contrary.

The trope can be justified in some ways. It's relatively common to have a character who [[NayTheist openly acknowledges the existence of beings of great power, but refuses to accept their divinity]] (either because he believes them to be {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s using technological trickery, or because he differentiates between a "real" god and a supernatural being that is merely ''very powerful''). For instance, in Franchise/TheDCU (see below) there's no ''practical'' difference between, say, angels and alien energy beings. The main difference often comes down to whether or not the subject in question has deep personal implications, like an afterlife. On the other hand, in a world where magic is commonly known to be real, it becomes a lot easier for con artists to pull the wool over the eyes of innocents, so a skeptic to differentiate between "real" magic and "fake" magic can come in handy.

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While some authors do this as an honest philosophical exercise, it's almost always PlayedForLaughs. A self-styled hardline atheist that just happens to live in a high fantasy setting brimming with both [[FantasyPantheon huge pantheons of gods]] rampaging around the landscape constantly causing all sorts of things to happen, and the worshipers that pray to (and immediately hear back from) said pantheons of rampaging deities. Maybe they don't believe in the gods at all, and are totally nuts, maybe they're completely in denial about the existence of gods, or maybe they're feigning disbelief in hopes of ending their worship and bringing about some kind of [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Götterdämmerung]] or whatever. Sometimes the character ''himself'' is a god (typically a loony one). Sometimes this is a direct attempt to discredit science by comparing it to religion: Instead instead of using the scientific method, as a scientist does, the strawman atheist relies himself on a devout faith -- in this case a faith that "[[StrawVulcan science]]" holds all the answers, despite obvious proof to the contrary.

The trope can be justified in some ways. It's relatively common to have a character who [[NayTheist openly acknowledges the existence of beings of great power, but refuses to accept their divinity]] divinity (either because he believes them to be {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s using technological trickery, or because he differentiates between a "real" god and a supernatural being that is merely ''very powerful''). For instance, in Franchise/TheDCU (see below) there's no ''practical'' difference between, say, angels and alien energy beings. The main difference often comes down to whether or not the subject in question has deep personal implications, like an afterlife. On the other hand, in a world where magic is commonly known to be real, it becomes a lot easier for con artists to pull the wool over the eyes of innocents, so a skeptic to differentiate between "real" magic and "fake" magic can come in handy.
20th May '16 6:34:53 PM DarkHunter
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', [[TheTrickster Coyote]] berates humans for being so preoccupied with trying to find a cause or meaning behind everything that they place their own imaginary answers behind anything they ''can't'' explain; Coyote is essentially criticizing a form of the "god of the gaps" argument. What makes this strange is that Coyote's whole point is that ''he'' doesn't exist, which doesn't really add up seeing as he himself, who has been shown to exist in-universe, is explaining this argument to Antimony.
** Coyote himself states that he, and all other supernatural entities, are merely physical manifestations of Man's belief, making Man the most powerful creature in the world above all others.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'':
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[[TheTrickster Coyote]] berates humans for being so preoccupied with trying to find a cause or meaning behind everything that they place their own imaginary answers behind anything they ''can't'' explain; Coyote is essentially criticizing a form of the "god of the gaps" argument. What makes this strange is that Coyote's whole point is that ''he'' doesn't exist, which doesn't really add up seeing as he himself, who has been shown to exist in-universe, is explaining this argument to Antimony.
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Coyote himself states even has an (unconfirmed) theory that he, he and all other supernatural entities, beings are merely physical manifestations of Man's human belief, making Man the most powerful creature and as such, do not truly "exist". Whether this is ''true'' or not has been left up in the world above all others.air (Coyote believes it to be true, but he is a very far cry from being omniscient or infallible).
19th May '16 12:49:21 PM erforce
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* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}''
** Walter Peck in the first movie firmly refuses to believe in ghosts even when his own actions cause the rampaging ghost menace in the first place (or maybe he had his denial blinders on). Plus the hundreds of eyewitnesses who have seen ghosts and seen the Ghostbusters at work. Peck's accusation that the Ghostbusters use gas to cause hallucinations is made without the slightest shred of evidence.
** In the sequel, [[SequelReset the Ghostbusters have been shut down as frauds and many characters don't believe in ghosts.]] This is despite UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity having been attacked by a giant marshmallow man at the end of the first movie, which hundreds of people must have witnessed, and possibly being captured on film.

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* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}''
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** Walter Peck in the [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} first movie movie]] firmly refuses to believe in ghosts even when his own actions cause the rampaging ghost menace in the first place (or maybe he had his denial blinders on). Plus the hundreds of eyewitnesses who have seen ghosts and seen the Ghostbusters at work. Peck's accusation that the Ghostbusters use gas to cause hallucinations is made without the slightest shred of evidence.
** In the sequel, ''Film/GhostbustersII'', [[SequelReset the Ghostbusters have been shut down as frauds and many characters don't believe in ghosts.]] This is despite UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity having been attacked by a giant marshmallow man at the end of the first movie, which hundreds of people must have witnessed, and possibly being captured on film.
12th May '16 2:54:36 AM Q4
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* The Professor in ''Radio/OldHarrysGame'' vehemently denies the existence of God, despite being in Hell.

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* At least for the first few episodes, The Professor in ''Radio/OldHarrysGame'' vehemently denies the existence of God, despite being in Hell.Hell. Then again, he spends those episodes convinced that his experience in Hell is AllJustADream as well.
11th May '16 3:37:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'' has a variation on this in its version of [[Comicbook/TheMightyThor Thor]]. He's not an atheist, but he refuses to accept his own divinity [[spoiler:because he's the leader of TheKnightsTemplar, and a devout Christian]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'' has a variation on this in its version of [[Comicbook/TheMightyThor Thor]]. He's not an atheist, but he refuses to accept his own divinity [[spoiler:because he's the leader of TheKnightsTemplar, UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar, and a devout Christian]].
14th Apr '16 1:40:27 PM JustCause
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* The show ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is much like ''The X-Files'' in how it features Flat Earth Athiesm. Dean is the primary example. While he very easily believes in the supernatural (hence the name of the show) and Hell, he simply flat-out refuses to believe in things like angels, Heaven, and God. "Gods" are simply very powerful monsters, but you can still "gank" them. Dean is forced to face his lack of belief after he returns from Hell, when faced with the angel Castiel. Cas becomes a regular on the show, as does their "prophet" Chuck [[spoiler: who is later implied to actually be ''God''.]]. Even the demons (re Lucifer, who is actually a FallenAngel) end up stressing the fact that God exists--[[HaveYouSeenMyGod He might not be there]], but He does exist. Lucifer goes on this long-winded schpiel about his devotion to his Father (God) being the reason for his falling from Heaven (though its more or less stated that he was really just jealous that God seemed to love [[PunyEarthlings humans]] as much as he loved angels). Dean, while eventually admitting to the fact that God exists, never fails to ruffle the feathers of all the angels he comes across, simply for the fact that they are, as he puts it, "dicks" (though nearly all of the {{Jerkass}} angels seem to believe GodIsDead, or at least has abandoned everyone This is where at least 60% of the humor from season 5 onward comes from, still managing to question the core accuracy of the Bible ([[CriticalResearchFailure although they quote the Bible for things it doesn't actually say]]), or just religion in general.

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* The show ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is much like ''The X-Files'' in how it features Flat Earth Athiesm. Dean is the primary example. While he very easily believes in the supernatural (hence the name of the show) and Hell, he simply flat-out refuses to believe in things like angels, Heaven, and God. "Gods" are simply very powerful monsters, but you can still "gank" them. Dean is forced to face his lack of belief after he returns from Hell, when faced with the angel Castiel. Cas becomes a regular on the show, as does their "prophet" Chuck [[spoiler: who is later implied to actually be ''God''.]]. Even the demons (re Lucifer, who is actually a FallenAngel) end up stressing the fact that God exists--[[HaveYouSeenMyGod He might not be there]], but He does exist. Lucifer goes on this long-winded schpiel about his devotion to his Father (God) being the reason for his falling from Heaven (though its more or less stated
** Dean's an interesting case in
that he was really just jealous that it's not the Angels and God seemed to love [[PunyEarthlings humans]] as much as part he loved angels). Dean, while eventually admitting to struggles with - it's the fact that God exists, never fails to ruffle benevolent powerful, omniscience beings can exist while doing nothing about the feathers of all the angels he comes across, simply for the suffering and death going on. He accepts them more readily when it becomes apparent that "Angels are dicks with wings" and GodIsFlawed. Dean's worldview hasn't fundamentally changed and in fact that they are, as he puts it, "dicks" (though nearly all of the {{Jerkass}} angels seem to believe GodIsDead, or at least has abandoned everyone This is where at least 60% of the humor from season 5 onward comes from, still managing to question the core accuracy of the Bible ([[CriticalResearchFailure although they quote the Bible for things it doesn't he's actually say]]), or just religion in general.proven right.
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