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24th Jun '17 3:48:48 PM Arha
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* Deishuu Kaiki in ''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'' is a very odd example in that he might actually be ''right.'' Throughout the story, monsters, spirits and ghosts plague character as metaphors for their emotional and psychological issues. They're very much there in that you see them damage things and affect the real world and such. However, Kaiki doesn't believe that any of them exist even as he speaks with them, considering them hallucinations and lies. Normally he'd come off as crazy, but there's actual support for this viewpoint in the story. For example, he sets a magic bee on the main character's little sister that gives her a burning fever, which an expert says is a magic disease that caused a plague long ago. However, Kaiki has actually researched said plague only to find absolutely no evidence of its existence nor the people it supposedly destroyed. The bee? He actually just hypnotized her [[YourMindMakesItReal and gave her a fever like that.]] The bee doesn't actually exist.
22nd Jun '17 3:53:25 AM Couran
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* In Literature/{{Eragon}} [[ElvesVersusDwarves the elves refuse to believe that the dwarven gods exist]], despite one such god appearing [[PhysicalGod in the flesh]] to give a final approval every time the dwarves choose a new leader. {{Downplayed}}, as the average elf wouldn't have seen this, and a magic user could be projecting it as an illusion...

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* In Literature/{{Eragon}} [[ElvesVersusDwarves the elves refuse to believe that the dwarven gods exist]], despite one such god appearing [[PhysicalGod in the flesh]] to give a final approval every time the dwarves choose a new leader. {{Downplayed}}, as the average elf wouldn't have seen this, this and a magic user one of the elves told about this confesses that it could be projecting it as an illusion...a god. Elves in this setting don't believe in gods because they are entirely empirical, if enough evidence was presented to them they'd be willing to consider the existence of gods.
12th Jun '17 2:12:31 PM Scabbard
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* Rick Sanchez from ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' Despite the fact that he's personally met {{Satan}} and a few demons, Rick is still a HollywoodAtheist. Although "Rickle in Time" gives us the "No atheists in a foxhole" gag, where PrayerIsALastResort is immediately laughed off when things start going the right way. He even says "In your face, God!" after saying there is no God.

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* Rick Sanchez from ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Despite the fact that he's personally met {{Satan}} and a few demons, Rick is still a HollywoodAtheist. Although "Rickle in Time" gives us the "No atheists in a foxhole" gag, where PrayerIsALastResort is immediately laughed off when things start going the right way. He even says "In your face, God!" after saying there is no God.
12th Jun '17 12:28:43 PM Shadoboy
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* ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'' has one issue with many of the characters of ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' starting a theological debate, with Fox thinking is primitive to believe in deities. This lasts until [[PhysicalGod Palutena]] casually walks into the room.
8th Jun '17 9:11:13 PM nombretomado
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** Invoked in the NostalgiaCritic review of "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" in which the villains try to sue Santa Claus for kidnapping, which makes the headline in the paper.

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** Invoked in the NostalgiaCritic WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic review of "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" in which the villains try to sue Santa Claus for kidnapping, which makes the headline in the paper.
7th Jun '17 9:12:14 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/MagnusChaseAndTheGodsOfAsgard'': Samirah refuses to believe that the Norse gods are divine, as she's a devout Muslim for whom there is only one God. Magnus, on the other hand, is an atheist. Samirah says that it sounds like the beginning of a bad joke: "An atheist and a Muslim walk into a pagan afterlife..."



* In [[https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540722_4623961806036_711071496_n.jpg this Spanish comic strip]], an atheist climbs into a tree to escape a bear. An angel flies down to meet him, and the man insists he's not going to convert just because an angel saved him (Though this example resembles more the NayTheist trope). [[spoiler:The angel then reveals he came to help ''the bear'', who is a Christian and is thanking God for this meal.]]

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* In [[https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540722_4623961806036_711071496_n.jpg this Spanish comic strip]], an atheist climbs into a tree to escape a bear. An angel flies down to meet him, and the man insists he's not going to convert just because an angel saved him (Though (though this example resembles more the NayTheist trope). [[spoiler:The angel then reveals he came to help ''the bear'', who is a Christian and is thanking God for this meal.]]



* Placebo-based research was first developed to test the methods of Franz Anton Mesmer, which were based on "Animal Magnetism." This was despite almost all patients reporting feeling a sort of aura and going into convulsions when treated. It wasn't until the medical establishment blindfolded a boy and brought him to tree after tree (many of Mesmer's followers operated by magnetizing trees) that they figured out that merely telling someone that a tree was magic was enough to get him to perceive magic.
22nd May '17 3:56:04 PM zylon
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* In a recent episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{American Dad}}'' Steve, [[CharacterizationMarchesOn who in previous seasons was shown to be fairly religious]], refuses to believe in Biblical stories that he finds irrational, like Noah's Ark. This despite the fact that a.) he once met God and temporarily gained enlightenment, b.) his mother's repressed sexuality once manifested as a ghost and attacked the house, c.) his family has a long-running feud with [[BadSanta Santa]], d.) his grandfather is {{Krampus}}, and e.) his sister once adopted the baby AntiChrist, who proceeded to MindControl Steve for most of the episode. Given all that, his VERY SUDDEN lack of belief is rather odd. (An argument ''could'' be made that the {{Christmas Episode}}s are LooseCanon, but that doesn't explain the first two).)

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* In a recent episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{American Dad}}'' Steve, [[CharacterizationMarchesOn who in previous seasons was shown to be fairly religious]], refuses to believe in Biblical stories that he finds irrational, like Noah's Ark. This despite the fact that a.) a) he once met God and temporarily gained enlightenment, b.) b) his mother's repressed sexuality once manifested as a ghost and attacked the house, c.) c) his family has a long-running feud with [[BadSanta Santa]], d.) d) his grandfather is {{Krampus}}, and e.) e) his sister once adopted the baby AntiChrist, who proceeded to MindControl Steve for most of the episode. Given all that, his VERY SUDDEN lack of belief is rather odd. (An argument ''could'' be made that the {{Christmas Episode}}s are LooseCanon, but that doesn't explain the first two).)
22nd May '17 3:54:31 PM zylon
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** Furthermore, her accusations of curses not being real turn out to be false since Sombra pretty much cursed the Crystal Empire, taking it with him for a 1000 years.

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** Furthermore, her accusations of curses not being real turn out to be false since Sombra pretty much cursed the Crystal Empire, taking it with him for a 1000 thousand years.
21st May '17 3:10:33 PM nombretomado
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' episode "459", TheWasp flat-out calls the idea of aliens "crazy". This would be the same Wasp who is teammates with [[{{ComicBook/TheMightyThor}} an immortal Norse god who can control the weather]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' episode "459", TheWasp ComicBook/TheWasp flat-out calls the idea of aliens "crazy". This would be the same Wasp who is teammates with [[{{ComicBook/TheMightyThor}} an immortal Norse god who can control the weather]].
15th May '17 12:22:20 PM BeerBaron
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* The player character in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' ends up as a sort of atheist god: {{N|onPlayerCharacter}}PCs think you're a god, but you seem unconvinced.
** The Dwemer fit this as a species of Flat Earth Atheists. They acknowledged the existence of powerful beings such as the Daedra, but either did not accept them as gods or did not consider godhood to be that important. It's not an unreasonable stance to take in truth, since this is a universe where it's [[AGodAmI possible to ascend to godhood]] simply by being badass enough to convince the universe you are one.
*** One Dwemer tale tells of a Dwemer who tricks Azura with a box containing a mirror. After she correctly guesses what the box holds, he opens the box and the mirror makes it appear as if the box was empty,[[note]]It's an old magic trick, the mirror is at an angle ergo when you look in the walls of the box are reflected and look like the other sides walls and flaw, so it looks like the box is empty.[[/note]] 'proving' she is fallible and so not a god. He dies that night, a smile on his face. The Dunmer tell a different story: Azura sees through the tricks and strikes him down there and then.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', Ilsi God-Hater appears to be this at first. [[spoiler:Turns out she actually worships Mehrunes Dagon, and doesn't want anyone to guess.]]

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* The player character in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' ends up as ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In the backstory, the extinct [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]] were
a sort played-deadly-serious version of atheist god: {{N|onPlayerCharacter}}PCs think you're a god, but you seem unconvinced.
** The Dwemer fit
this as a species of Flat Earth Atheists. They trope. While they acknowledged the existence of powerful beings such as some of the entities that the other races considered "gods" ([[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra, Daedra, etc.]]), the Dwemer refused to ''accept'' their divinity. They were said to especially despise the Daedra, but either did not mocking and scorning the "foolish" rituals of their followers (primarily their greatest rivals in Morrowind, the Chimer). They would even summon Daedra [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu specifically to test their divinity]]. The science and reason focused Dwemer even extended this skepticism to ''reality'' itself, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality refuting anything as truly "real"]]. It is implied that this belief is a core element of how [[{{Magitek}} their technology]] functions. They devised technology that [[RealityWarper ignored the laws of reality or outright manipulated the tonal architecture of the Earth-Bones]] (the spirits of creation who gave their lives to set up the laws of nature and physics) simply through [[TheDeterminator sheer refusal to accept them as gods or did not consider godhood to be that important. It's not an unreasonable stance to take in truth, since this is a universe where it's [[AGodAmI possible to ascend to godhood]] simply by being badass enough to convince physical and magical limitations]]. The Dwemer would all [[RiddleForTheAges disappear entirely]] from any known plane of existence after discovering and tampering with the universe you are one.
[[CosmicKeystone heart]] of the [[GodIsDead "dead" god]], Lorkhan.
*** One Dwemer tale (notably written by an UnreliableNarrator) tells of a Dwemer who tricks the Daedric Prince Azura with a box containing a mirror. After she correctly guesses what the box holds, he opens the box and the mirror makes it appear as if the box was empty,[[note]]It's an old magic trick, the mirror is at an angle ergo when you look in the walls of the box are reflected and look like the other sides walls and flaw, sides, so it looks like the box is empty.[[/note]] 'proving' she is fallible and so not a god. He dies that night, a smile on his face. The Dunmer tell a different story: Azura sees through the tricks and strikes him down there and then.
** Many in Tamriel are this toward the Nine Divines, the Aedra who sacrificed themselves in the creation of Mundus (the mortal world), while acknowledging the existence of the Daedra. Basically ''every'' example of the Divines [[DivineIntervention influencing the world]] are either [[GodWasMyCopilot ambiguous]], [[TheTimeOfMyths a matter of legend]], very personal incidents that only happens to special people (like ''Elder Scrolls'' protagonists), or a combination, while the Daedra Lords influencing the world is a matter of historical record.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', the [[PlayerCharacter Nerevarine]] ends up [[spoiler:outright killing 2-3 {{Physical God}}s during the course of the game and first expansion while gaining some borderline god-like powers him/herself]]. Some [=NPCs=] even seem to believe you ''are'' a god, but the [[TheUnchosenOne circumstances]] around these events can lead the player to believe that this is not the case.
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''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', Oblivion]]'':
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Ilsi God-Hater appears to be this at first. [[spoiler:Turns out she actually worships Mehrunes Dagon, and doesn't want anyone to guess.]]



** There's also Ulene Hlervu, castle mage to Count Indarys of Cheydinhal. She scoffs at the practice of worshiping the Nine, stating that worshipping Daedra is more reasonable, though still foolish, because it produces [[CosmicHorrorStory dramatic results]].
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''; the High Elven Thalmor have banned the worship of Talos in conquered nations because they find it absurd that a mortal man can become a god, despite that Martin turned into Akatosh's avatar at the end of Oblivion to stop Mehrunes Dagon. [[spoiler: This is actually a cover story for the Thalmor's true desires, they know Talos exists, they also believe that he's a BarrierMaiden holding the mortal plane together, [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly if he stops being worshiped, his power will fade and the world will end]], which is exactly what the [[OmnicidalManiac Thalmor]] want.]]
** It is ''heavily'' implied that people like Ilse God-Hater and Ulene Hlervu are not proper examples of this -- they only deny the idea of worshipping the Nine Divines, who created the planet, while acknowledging the existence of the Daedra Lords. Basically ''every'' example of the Divines influencing the world are either ambiguous, a matter of legend, very personal incidents that only happens to special people (like Elder Scrolls protagonists), or a combination, while the Daedra Lords influencing the world is a matter of historical record.

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** *** There's also Ulene Hlervu, castle mage to Count Indarys of Cheydinhal. She scoffs at the practice of worshiping the Nine, stating that worshipping Daedra is more reasonable, though still foolish, because it produces [[CosmicHorrorStory dramatic results]].
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''; Skyrim]]'' the High Elven Altmeri (High Elven) Thalmor have banned the worship of Talos in conquered nations the Empire via treaty because they find it absurd offensive that a [[DeityOfHumanOrigin mortal man can become a god, despite that Martin turned into Akatosh's avatar at the end of Oblivion to stop Mehrunes Dagon. god]]. [[spoiler: This is actually a cover story for the Thalmor's true desires, they know Talos exists, they also believe that he's a BarrierMaiden holding the mortal plane together, [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly if he stops being worshiped, his power will fade and the world will end]], which is exactly what the [[OmnicidalManiac Thalmor]] want.]]
** It is ''heavily'' implied that people like Ilse God-Hater and Ulene Hlervu are not proper examples of
want, as they believe this -- they only deny the idea will return their spirits to a state of worshipping the Nine Divines, who created the planet, while acknowledging the existence of the Daedra Lords. Basically ''every'' example of the Divines influencing the world are either ambiguous, a matter of legend, very personal incidents that only happens to special people (like Elder Scrolls protagonists), or a combination, while the Daedra Lords influencing the world is a matter of historical record.pre-creation divinity]].
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