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14th Mar '17 9:26:23 PM Kotomikun
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** And as for, well, [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]], this trope gets [[ZigZaggingTrope twisted around itself]]. [[spoiler:The Incubators attempt to take down the inconvenient new god of goodness, using Homura as an elaborate trap; they are OutGambitted and defeated. But in order to stop them permanently--and because of her overprotectiveness towards Madoka--Homura decides to become ''another'' SatanicArchetype, ruling over a new universe with Madoka reverted to a normal human and the Incubators completely powerless. Whether there will be yet another rebellion against her remains to be seen.]]

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** And as for, well, [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]], ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]]'', this trope gets [[ZigZaggingTrope twisted around itself]]. [[spoiler:The Incubators attempt to take down the inconvenient new god of goodness, using Homura as an elaborate trap; they are OutGambitted and defeated. But in order to stop them permanently--and because of her overprotectiveness towards Madoka--Homura decides to become ''another'' SatanicArchetype, ruling over a new universe with Madoka reverted to a normal human and the Incubators completely powerless. Whether there will be yet another rebellion against her remains to be seen.]]
14th Mar '17 9:25:59 PM Kotomikun
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' have the Kyubey, which are a race of creatures so amoral that they are just as dangerous as if they were passively malicious. They offer the ability to grant one wish to young girls, one wish that rewrites the laws of reality. But in payment, those girls must become {{Magical Girl}}s and fight evil witches ([[spoiler:who are just magical girls that have become "impure" from using up too much magic]]).
** Homura Akemi is a magical girl the Kyubey have given the special power of [[spoiler: time-travel]]. She's trying to stop the Kyubey from granting Madoka a wish. Using her special power multiple times causes the titular character to have an excess of "magical girl power". The Kyubey says she could cause a very powerful wish to resolve because of this energy. Homura Akemi hates hearing that, and outright kills several Kyubey in her efforts to prevent Madoka's transformation.
** Madoka gets no special information about this rebellion by Homura, but eventually uses her contract to eliminate the dangers posed by the Kyubey by wishing [[spoiler:to erase every single witch (past, present, ''and'' future) from existence, thereby keeping all Magical Girls from becoming witches themselves. Reality becomes [[CosmicRetcon a bit unstable]] and unfortunately, her wish doesn't come [[RetGone without a price]].]]

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' have the Kyubey, Incubators, which are a race of creatures (of which we only see one, calling itself Kyubey) so amoral that they are just as dangerous as if they were passively malicious. They offer the ability to grant one wish to young girls, one wish that rewrites the laws of reality. But in payment, those girls must become {{Magical Girl}}s and fight evil witches ([[spoiler:who are just magical girls that have become "impure" from using up too much magic]]).
** Homura Akemi is a magical girl the Kyubey have has given the special power of [[spoiler: time-travel]]. She's trying to stop the Kyubey from granting Madoka a wish. Using her special power multiple times causes the titular character to have an excess of "magical girl power". The Kyubey says she could cause a very powerful wish to resolve because of this energy. Homura Akemi hates hearing that, and outright kills several Kyubey of Kyubey's clones in her efforts to prevent Madoka's transformation.
** Madoka gets no special information about this rebellion by Homura, but eventually uses her contract to eliminate the dangers posed by the Kyubey Incubators by wishing [[spoiler:to erase every single witch (past, present, ''and'' future) from existence, thereby keeping all Magical Girls from becoming witches themselves. Reality becomes [[CosmicRetcon a bit unstable]] and unfortunately, her wish doesn't come [[RetGone without a price]].]]


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** And as for, well, [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]], this trope gets [[ZigZaggingTrope twisted around itself]]. [[spoiler:The Incubators attempt to take down the inconvenient new god of goodness, using Homura as an elaborate trap; they are OutGambitted and defeated. But in order to stop them permanently--and because of her overprotectiveness towards Madoka--Homura decides to become ''another'' SatanicArchetype, ruling over a new universe with Madoka reverted to a normal human and the Incubators completely powerless. Whether there will be yet another rebellion against her remains to be seen.]]
7th Mar '17 5:28:34 PM KingLyger
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[[caption-width-right:350:Spawn would like to show the Devil where he can shove his [[DealWithTheDevil deal]].]]
8th Feb '17 11:15:53 PM ShiroAkuma
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Orochimaru is the first [[CardCarryingVillain evil-for-the-sake-of-evil]] introduced, and he curse Naruto and Sasuke during the Chunin exam. Sauske grows more powerful from the curse, and eventually leaves in order to join Orochimaru to become more powerful. Sauske finally betrays Orochimaru many years later. [[spoiler: Instead of killing him, Sasuke ''absorbs'' Orochimaru, becoming even more powerful.]]

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Orochimaru is the first [[CardCarryingVillain evil-for-the-sake-of-evil]] introduced, and he curse curses Naruto and Sasuke during the Chunin exam. Sauske grows more powerful from the curse, and eventually leaves in order to join Orochimaru to become more powerful. Sauske finally betrays Orochimaru many years later. [[spoiler: Instead of killing him, Sasuke ''absorbs'' Orochimaru, becoming even more powerful.]]
8th Feb '17 11:15:34 PM ShiroAkuma
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Orochimaru is the first [[CardCarryingVillain evil-for-the-sake-of-evil]] introduced, and they curse Naruto and Sauske during the Chunin exam. Sauske grows more powerful from the curse, and eventually leaves in order to join Orochimaru to become more powerful. Sauske finally betrays Orochimaru many years later. [[spoiler: Instead of killing him, Sasuke ''absorbs'' Orochimaru, becoming even more powerful.]]

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Orochimaru is the first [[CardCarryingVillain evil-for-the-sake-of-evil]] introduced, and they he curse Naruto and Sauske Sasuke during the Chunin exam. Sauske grows more powerful from the curse, and eventually leaves in order to join Orochimaru to become more powerful. Sauske finally betrays Orochimaru many years later. [[spoiler: Instead of killing him, Sasuke ''absorbs'' Orochimaru, becoming even more powerful.]]
26th Jan '17 6:19:37 PM RainbowPhoenix
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** The [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 third game]] reveals that Cerberus actually did predict that this could happen and placed mechanisms on the ''Normandy'' that would allow them to take control of it remotely if Shepard tried to escape. Unfortunately for them, they didn't predict that someone would unshackle EDI, which enabled her to deactivate those mechanisms and retaliate against Cerberus's attempt to use them by flooding their database with seven zettabytes of pornography.
28th Nov '16 7:45:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* Website/ChuckNorrisFacts: Chuck Norris agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.

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* Website/ChuckNorrisFacts: Chuck Norris agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] abilities and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.
14th Nov '16 7:53:15 AM crazysamaritan
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In just about every superheroic version of a DealWithTheDevil, [[JustForFun/HowToGiveACharacterSuperpowers the hero is granted superhuman powers]] and/or brought BackFromTheDead in exchange for a price; usually [[NobleTopEnforcer servitude]], his [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]], or being [[MagicallyBindingContract bound to complete a certain task.]] Trouble is, the hero has no intention of being a pawn in the Devil's game, and after a short stint of doing Old Scratch's dirty work, breaks free and declares that he'll use the BigBad-given power against him and combat evil as a {{Badass}} DarkerAndEdgier AntiHero. The villain doesn't specifically have to be {{Satan}}; this trope applies to any story in which the hero is given powers by the bad guy and then rebels and uses them to combat evil.[[note]]Even the TropeNamer, {{Faust}}, doesn't actually make his deal with the capital 'D' Devil, but rather the archdemon Mephistopheles.[[/note]] This trope is often used as a way to give a hero [[EvilIsCool awesome Hell-themed powers]] without having to actually [[BadPowersGoodPeople make him evil]]. It even comes with a ready-made antagonist and his [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions Of Hell]] to boot, who will already be gunning for the blood of the renegade agent of Hell!

A common justification for why the BigBad [[BadassFingersnap apparently never has the ability to take his gifts back with the same snap of his fingers with which they were given]], is that breaking free from Old Scratch's control is the very thing that ''stops'' the Devil from taking the power back. (See [[Analysis/FaustianRebellion analysis page]]) Another possibility is that the transfer is one way--the villain never could take back the powers, but only claimed to be able to, or the powers were derived from [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow knowledge which cannot be unlearned]].

Just because you create something doesn't mean it's easy to put it back in the box, regardless of what you may be, and sometimes FinaglesLaw works in the hero's favor.

This [[FridgeLogic makes you wonder why]] the villain would be [[VillainBall stupid enough]] to give this guy enough power to beat him--sometimes more power than the villain himself has, or unusual powers that he doesn't have, which are effective against their own creator, and why they do all this with no contingency plan should the hero choose to rebel. [[FridgeLogic If you think about it]], though, it's actually not as crazy as it might seem. There are any number of reasons that the hero might be able to successfully rebel:
* It could be that the evil patron...
** is StupidEvil--your typical demon is traditionally depicted as a being incapable of even EvilVirtues. Things like self-restraint, good judgement, and attention to nuance are simply beyond them- they're doing it ForTheEvulz, and [[DidntThinkThisThrough don't really think too far ahead]]. In older folktales the Devil was often a very gullible character, falling for various minor forms (often involving wealth) of Faustian Rebellion again and again, and this is one of the central tenets of any story involving outwitting a JerkassGenie.
** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]--In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reining him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.
** is a ChallengeSeeker or a NobleDemon--It's only fair to give the hero a sporting chance to "win". If they find a way to break free, they keep the goods. Sometimes overlaps with the next one.
** is [[WhoWantsToLiveForever Bored]]--the whole thing is a game to pass the time for a SentientCosmicForce. Usually you get the simple pleasure of simultaneously breaking a former hero and gaining a new superminion, but sometimes you get the really fun ones who unleash a DestructiveSavior on the world and you get to spend decades or centuries playing TheChessmaster and finally getting to try out all those [[MonsterOfTheWeek cool monsters you've been building in the garage]].
** ''wants'' them to rebel--rarely, the hero makes their deal with a {{Starscream}}, GoodAllAlong minion, or DefectorFromDecadence who cannot rebel themselves, but use the hero to oppose their boss without breaking their own contract, possibly in an open ConspiracyRedemption. Rarely this one can overlap with the previous one in a convoluted XanatosGambit.
* Other possibilities are if the hero...
** is a GuileHero -- Most evil benefactors are typically portrayed as LawfulEvil- hence the common theme of a DealWithTheDevil requiring a literal contract. If EvilCannotComprehendGood, LawfulEvil cannot even remotely conceive of ChaoticGood. They can understand ''that'' a LawfulGood paladin will turn down the offer of a cushy gig as TheDragon, if not necessarily ''why''. They may anticipate or even expect their new toy to be a {{Starscream}} or ChaoticNeutral- the contingency plan for rebellion is to [[SignedUpForTheDental offer more perks and a better parking space]].
** is a master of LoopholeAbuse--they manage to find a way to weasel their way out of the deal without [[ExactWords actually breaking the contract]]
** has HeroicWillpower--they were being mind controlled. Emphasis on the ''were''.
** didn't get out of the contract without a price--Rarely, a villain will actually think to build in some sort of failsafe, such as some form of upkeep to retain RequiredSecondaryPowers preventing PowerIncontinence, PowerDegeneration, or the less pleasant aspects of having a LovecraftianSuperpower. This can be one of the more interesting forms of the trope, as the character will either have to live as a ReluctantMonster, or find some way of performing this upkeep on their own in a way they can live with. This can be difficult for a heroic character if this requires, for example, the [[PoweredByAForsakenChild sacrifice of a human soul]] or [[HorrorHunger drinking blood]] from time to time.

Sooner or later, may involve the Hero going ToHellAndBack and most likely fighting his way to stick it to Mephistopheles.

SubTrope to CreateYourOwnHero. See also HoistByHisOwnPetard, and PhlebotinumRebel. Compare ProHumanTranshuman. A [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of EvilIsNotAToy. This trope can also be the cause of DarkIsNotEvil. Contrast ThePunishment and TheProblemWithFightingDeath.

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In just Just as the story of Lucifer is about every superheroic version of a DealWithTheDevil, [[JustForFun/HowToGiveACharacterSuperpowers [[FaceHeelTurn betrayal,]] so can we expect the hero devil to be [[HeelFaceTurn betrayed in turn.]]

The first component of this trope
is granted superhuman powers]] and/or brought BackFromTheDead in exchange for that a price; usually [[NobleTopEnforcer servitude]], his [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]], or being DealWithTheDevil ''must'' be made, an [[MagicallyBindingContract bound to complete a certain task.]] Trouble is, agreement]] between the hero has no intention of being a pawn in the Devil's game, protagonist and after a short stint of doing Old Scratch's dirty work, breaks free and declares that he'll use the BigBad-given power against him and combat an evil as a {{Badass}} DarkerAndEdgier AntiHero. The villain doesn't specifically have to be {{Satan}}; this trope applies to any story in which the hero is given powers by the bad guy and then rebels and uses them to combat evil.figure.[[note]]Even the TropeNamer, {{Faust}}, doesn't actually make his deal with ''{{Literature/Faust}}'', substitutes the archdemon Mephistopheles for the capital 'D' Devil, but rather the archdemon Mephistopheles.devil.[[/note]] This trope is often used as a way to give a hero [[EvilIsCool awesome Hell-themed powers]] without having to actually [[BadPowersGoodPeople make him evil]]. It even comes with a ready-made antagonist and his [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions Of Hell]] to boot, who will already be gunning for the blood JackassGenie interpretation of the renegade agent of Hell!

A common justification for why the BigBad [[BadassFingersnap apparently never has the ability to take his gifts back with the same snap of his fingers with which they were given]],
contract is that breaking free from Old Scratch's control is the very thing that ''stops'' the Devil from taking the power back. (See [[Analysis/FaustianRebellion analysis page]]) Another possibility is that the transfer is one way--the villain never could take back the powers, but only claimed to be able to, or the powers were derived from [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow knowledge which cannot be unlearned]].optional.

Just because you create something The second component of this trope is that the protagonist gains some sort of power from this agreement. Usually these powers are [[BadPowersBadPeople part of the villain's evil theme.]]

The third part is rebelling against the evil figure. This may be a HeelFaceTurn, but is much more likely to come from someone who was GoodAllAlong and
doesn't mean it's easy to put it back in the box, regardless of what you may be, and sometimes FinaglesLaw works in the hero's favor.

This [[FridgeLogic makes you wonder why]] the villain would be [[VillainBall stupid enough]] to give this guy enough power to beat him--sometimes more power than the villain himself has, or unusual powers that he doesn't have, which are effective against their own creator, and why they do all this with no contingency plan should the hero choose to rebel. [[FridgeLogic If you think about it]], though, it's actually not as crazy as it might seem. There are any number of reasons that the hero might be able to successfully rebel:
* It could be that the evil patron...
** is StupidEvil--your typical demon is traditionally depicted as a being incapable of even EvilVirtues. Things like self-restraint, good judgement, and attention to nuance are simply beyond them- they're doing it ForTheEvulz, and [[DidntThinkThisThrough don't really think too far ahead]]. In older folktales the Devil was often a very gullible character, falling for various minor forms (often involving wealth) of Faustian Rebellion again and again, and this is one of the central tenets of any story involving outwitting a JerkassGenie.
** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]--In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reining him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.
** is a ChallengeSeeker or a NobleDemon--It's only fair to give the hero a sporting chance to "win". If they find a way to break free, they keep the goods. Sometimes overlaps with the next one.
** is [[WhoWantsToLiveForever Bored]]--the whole thing is a game to pass the time for a SentientCosmicForce. Usually you get the simple pleasure of simultaneously breaking a former hero and gaining a new superminion, but sometimes you get the really fun ones who unleash a DestructiveSavior on the world and you get to spend decades or centuries playing TheChessmaster and finally getting to try out all those [[MonsterOfTheWeek cool monsters you've been building in the garage]].
** ''wants'' them to rebel--rarely, the hero makes their deal with a {{Starscream}}, GoodAllAlong minion, or DefectorFromDecadence who cannot rebel themselves, but use the hero to oppose their boss without breaking their own contract, possibly in an open ConspiracyRedemption. Rarely this one can overlap with the previous one in a convoluted XanatosGambit.
* Other possibilities are if the hero...
** is a GuileHero -- Most evil benefactors are typically portrayed as LawfulEvil- hence the common theme of a DealWithTheDevil requiring a literal contract. If EvilCannotComprehendGood, LawfulEvil cannot even remotely conceive of ChaoticGood. They can understand ''that'' a LawfulGood paladin will turn down the offer of a cushy gig as TheDragon, if not necessarily ''why''. They may anticipate or even expect their new toy
want to be a {{Starscream}} or ChaoticNeutral- pawn in the contingency plan for rebellion is to [[SignedUpForTheDental offer more perks and a better parking space]].
** is a master of LoopholeAbuse--they manage to find a way to weasel their way out of the deal without [[ExactWords actually breaking the contract]]
** has HeroicWillpower--they were being mind controlled. Emphasis on the ''were''.
** didn't get out of the contract without a price--Rarely, a villain will actually think to build in some sort of failsafe, such as some form of upkeep to retain RequiredSecondaryPowers preventing PowerIncontinence, PowerDegeneration, or the less pleasant aspects of having a LovecraftianSuperpower. This can be one of the more interesting forms of the trope, as the character will either have to live as a ReluctantMonster, or find some way of performing this upkeep on their own in a way they can live with. This can be difficult for a heroic character if this requires, for example, the [[PoweredByAForsakenChild sacrifice of a human soul]] or [[HorrorHunger drinking blood]] from time to time.

Sooner or later, may involve the Hero going ToHellAndBack and most likely fighting his way to stick it to Mephistopheles.

devil's schemes.


SubTrope to CreateYourOwnHero. See also HoistByHisOwnPetard, PhlebotinumRebel, and PhlebotinumRebel. Compare ProHumanTranshuman.DarkIsNotEvil. A [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of EvilIsNotAToy. This trope can also be the cause of DarkIsNotEvil. Compare ProHumanTranshuman. Contrast ThePunishment and TheProblemWithFightingDeath.
(where the powers were gained as a result of torture/curse).
14th Nov '16 6:28:18 AM ashlay
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'': [[spoiler:Invoked. Party member Morgana, along with {{Big Good}}s Lavenza and Igor, spend the entire game trying to help the Protagonist use his newfound powers to destroy the very BigBad that empowered him with GuardianEntity Persona abilities and manipulated him to remove potential threats to their EvilPlan.]]
3rd Nov '16 9:00:00 PM TheRoguePenguin
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* In ''Film/JohnCarter'', the first thing that Sab Than does when he gets the power of the Ninth Ray is try and use it on the Therns. They effortlessly deflect it and knock him on his ass, with the collective expression of, "Do you think we're stupid?"
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