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4th Sep '16 8:16:08 AM Theokal3
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', when the demon lord Trigon decides not to honor the deal he made with Slade, Slade angrily attacks him, only for Trigon to laugh and say, "I granted you these powers and I can take them away!" He absorbs the powers out of Slade and makes him disappear.

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* In Subverted in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', when the demon lord Trigon decides not to honor the deal he made with Slade, Slade. Slade angrily attacks him, only for Trigon to laugh and say, "I granted you these powers and I can take them away!" He absorbs the powers out of Slade and makes him disappear.disappear. [[spoiler:Eventually it turns out Slade anticipated this treachery and eventually makes an EnemyMine with the Titans to escape Trigon's control, though he still doesn't recover the powers.]]
26th Jul '16 12:41:43 PM dasuberkaiser
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* In ''SailorNothing'', [[spoiler:Himei and all of the Sailors were given their extremely effective Yamiko-killing powers by a rebel Yamiko general... who was easily dispatched via the same powers when he rejoined the Yamiko.]]. Of course, being [[{{Deconstruction}} the story it is]], there are more reasons too.
* Website/ChuckNorrisFacts: Chuck Norris agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.
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* In ''SailorNothing'', [[spoiler:Himei and all of the Sailors were given their extremely effective Yamiko-killing powers by a rebel Yamiko general... who was easily dispatched via the same powers when he rejoined the Yamiko.]]. Of course, being [[{{Deconstruction}} the story it is]], there are more reasons too.
* Website/ChuckNorrisFacts: Chuck Norris agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.
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20th Jul '16 8:02:39 AM Morgenthaler
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* Literature/JohannesCabalTheNecromancer ends up as this.

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* Literature/JohannesCabalTheNecromancer %%* ''Literature/JohannesCabalTheNecromancer'': Johannes ends up as this.
20th Jul '16 8:02:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* JohannesCabalTheNecromancer ends up as this.

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* JohannesCabalTheNecromancer Literature/JohannesCabalTheNecromancer ends up as this.
8th Jun '16 9:38:16 PM Steam_Lord
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* The Knights of the Ebon Blade in ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' certainly qualify. After being sent on a suicide run to draw out Tirion Fordring, head of the Argent Dawn (soon to be Argent Crusade), they turn on Arthas and decide to join the fight against the Scourge. It doesn't seem that there's any explanation why Arthas doesn't just take back the spell or magic he used to bring them back or failing that just get rid of the Death Knight powers that ''HE'' gave them in the first place.
** Similarily, what Warlocks mostly do is make the Burning legion and its fel energy turn on itself. In fact, a big part of warlock [=PCs=] lore is that they are pretty much always an example of BadPowersGoodPeople, or else they would have gone rogue/

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* The Knights of the Ebon Blade in ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' certainly qualify. After being sent on a suicide run to draw out Tirion Fordring, head of the Argent Dawn (soon to be Argent Crusade), they turn on Arthas and decide to join the fight against the Scourge. It doesn't seem that there's any explanation why Arthas doesn't at some point just take back the spell or magic he used to bring them back back... or failing that just get rid of the Death Knight powers that ''HE'' gave them in the first place.
** Similarily, what Warlocks mostly do is make the Burning legion and its fel energy turn on itself. In fact, a big part of warlock [=PCs=] lore is that they are pretty much always an example of BadPowersGoodPeople, or else they would have gone rogue/rogue.
26th May '16 3:45:56 PM margdean56
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This [[FridgeLogic makes you wonder why]] the villain would be [[VillainBall stupid enough]] to give this guy enough power to beat him- sometimes more power than the villain himself has, or unusual powers that he doesn't have, which are effective against their own creator, and why they do all this with no contingency plan should the hero choose to rebel. [[FridgeLogic If you think about it]], though, it's actually not as crazy as it might seem. There are any number of reasons that the hero might be able to successfully rebel:

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This [[FridgeLogic makes you wonder why]] the villain would be [[VillainBall stupid enough]] to give this guy enough power to beat him- sometimes him--sometimes more power than the villain himself has, or unusual powers that he doesn't have, which are effective against their own creator, and why they do all this with no contingency plan should the hero choose to rebel. [[FridgeLogic If you think about it]], though, it's actually not as crazy as it might seem. There are any number of reasons that the hero might be able to successfully rebel:



** is StupidEvil- your typical demon is traditionally depicted as a being incapable of even EvilVirtues. Things like self-restraint, good judgement, and attention to nuance are simply beyond them- they're doing it ForTheEvulz, and [[DidntThinkThisThrough don't really think too far ahead]]. In older folktales the Devil was often a very gullible character, falling for various minor forms (often involving wealth) of Faustian Rebellion again and again, and this is one of the central tenants of any story involving outwitting a JerkassGenie.
** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]- In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reining him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.
** is a ChallengeSeeker or a NobleDemon- Its only fair to give the hero a sporting chance to "win". If they find a way to break free, they keep the goods. Sometimes overlaps with the next one.
** is [[WhoWantsToLiveForever Bored]]- the whole thing is a game to pass the time for a SentientCosmicForce. Usually you get the simple pleasure of simultaneously breaking a former hero and gaining a new superminion, but sometimes you get the really fun ones who unleash a DestructiveSavior on the world and you get to spend decades or centuries playing TheChessmaster and finally getting to try out all those [[MonsterOfTheWeek cool monsters you've been building in the garage]].
** ''wants'' them to rebel- rarely, the hero makes their deal with a {{Starscream}}, GoodAllAlong minion, or DefectorFromDecadence who cannot rebel themselves, but use the hero to oppose their boss without breaking their own contract, possibly in an open ConspiracyRedemption. Rarely this one can overlap with the previous one in a convoluted XanatosGambit.

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** is StupidEvil- your StupidEvil--your typical demon is traditionally depicted as a being incapable of even EvilVirtues. Things like self-restraint, good judgement, and attention to nuance are simply beyond them- they're doing it ForTheEvulz, and [[DidntThinkThisThrough don't really think too far ahead]]. In older folktales the Devil was often a very gullible character, falling for various minor forms (often involving wealth) of Faustian Rebellion again and again, and this is one of the central tenants tenets of any story involving outwitting a JerkassGenie.
** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]- In hero]]--In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reining him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.
** is a ChallengeSeeker or a NobleDemon- Its NobleDemon--It's only fair to give the hero a sporting chance to "win". If they find a way to break free, they keep the goods. Sometimes overlaps with the next one.
** is [[WhoWantsToLiveForever Bored]]- the Bored]]--the whole thing is a game to pass the time for a SentientCosmicForce. Usually you get the simple pleasure of simultaneously breaking a former hero and gaining a new superminion, but sometimes you get the really fun ones who unleash a DestructiveSavior on the world and you get to spend decades or centuries playing TheChessmaster and finally getting to try out all those [[MonsterOfTheWeek cool monsters you've been building in the garage]].
** ''wants'' them to rebel- rarely, rebel--rarely, the hero makes their deal with a {{Starscream}}, GoodAllAlong minion, or DefectorFromDecadence who cannot rebel themselves, but use the hero to oppose their boss without breaking their own contract, possibly in an open ConspiracyRedemption. Rarely this one can overlap with the previous one in a convoluted XanatosGambit.



** is a GuileHero - Most evil benefactors are typically portrayed as LawfulEvil- hence the common theme of a DealWithTheDevil requiring a literal contract. If EvilCannotComprehendGood, LawfulEvil cannot even remotely conceive of ChaoticGood. They can understand ''that'' a LawfulGood paladin will turn down the offer of a cushy gig as TheDragon, if not necessarily ''why''. They may anticipate or even expect their new toy to be a {{Starscream}} or ChaoticNeutral- the contingency plan for rebellion is to [[SignedUpForTheDental offer more perks and a better parking space]].
** is a master of LoopholeAbuse- they manage to find a way to weasel their way out of the deal without [[ExactWords actually breaking the contract]]
** has HeroicWillpower- they were being mind controlled. Emphasis on the ''were''.
** didn't get out of the contract without a price- Rarely, a villain will actually think to build in some sort of failsafe, such as some form of upkeep to retain RequiredSecondaryPowers preventing PowerIncontinence, PowerDegeneration, or the less pleasant aspects of having a LovecraftianSuperpower. This can be one of the more interesting forms of the trope, as the character will either have to live as a ReluctantMonster, or find some way of performing this upkeep on their own in a way they can live with. This can be difficult for a heroic character if this requires, for example, the [[PoweredByAForsakenChild sacrifice of a human soul]] or [[HorrorHunger drinking blood]] from time to time.

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** is a GuileHero - -- Most evil benefactors are typically portrayed as LawfulEvil- hence the common theme of a DealWithTheDevil requiring a literal contract. If EvilCannotComprehendGood, LawfulEvil cannot even remotely conceive of ChaoticGood. They can understand ''that'' a LawfulGood paladin will turn down the offer of a cushy gig as TheDragon, if not necessarily ''why''. They may anticipate or even expect their new toy to be a {{Starscream}} or ChaoticNeutral- the contingency plan for rebellion is to [[SignedUpForTheDental offer more perks and a better parking space]].
** is a master of LoopholeAbuse- they LoopholeAbuse--they manage to find a way to weasel their way out of the deal without [[ExactWords actually breaking the contract]]
** has HeroicWillpower- they HeroicWillpower--they were being mind controlled. Emphasis on the ''were''.
** didn't get out of the contract without a price- Rarely, price--Rarely, a villain will actually think to build in some sort of failsafe, such as some form of upkeep to retain RequiredSecondaryPowers preventing PowerIncontinence, PowerDegeneration, or the less pleasant aspects of having a LovecraftianSuperpower. This can be one of the more interesting forms of the trope, as the character will either have to live as a ReluctantMonster, or find some way of performing this upkeep on their own in a way they can live with. This can be difficult for a heroic character if this requires, for example, the [[PoweredByAForsakenChild sacrifice of a human soul]] or [[HorrorHunger drinking blood]] from time to time.
17th May '16 6:55:26 PM ThatBitterTase
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** Abyssals and Infernals have received much more dangerous (to their masters) ways to rebel, thanks to later updates. Abyssals are able to completely defy their masters, Resonance be damned, if they act to protect or support their Lunar mates. And Infernals... well, it's called the Heresy charm set, the first one allows the Infernal to ''eat their master alive'' (it's not called "Swallowing the Scorpion" for nothing), and once this gets around, the Ebon Dragon is going to be beating his head against the wall for a week.
15th May '16 6:02:00 PM Aethersea
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** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]- In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reigning him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.

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** is just [[CosmicPlaything toying with the hero]]- In some modern works, even the Devil himself may be portrayed as FauxAffablyEvil, or even AffablyEvil. Like a parent with a three year old who decides to run away across the street, they're just letting the little tyke tucker himself out before reigning reining him in. Should the hero win some major victory that actually damages one of the {{Big Bad}}'s ''important'' plans, expect VillainousBreakdown, usually to the hero's detriment.
11th Mar '16 3:18:44 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[MemeticBadass Chuck]] [[ChuckNorris Norris]] agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.

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* [[MemeticBadass Chuck]] [[ChuckNorris Norris]] Website/ChuckNorrisFacts: Chuck Norris agreed to trade his soul to the Devil in exchange for his [[{{Badass}} incredible martial arts abilities]] and [[MrFanservice rugged good looks]]. As soon as the exchange was completed, Norris used his newfound powers to kick the Devil's ass and retake his soul. The Devil, appreciating the {{irony}}, became friends with Norris. They now play poker in Hell every second Wednesday.
11th Mar '16 3:17:25 AM Morgenthaler
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** Raziel is actually an aversion on two counts. 1) While he does turn on the Elder God, neither he nor it are able to directly harm each other. 2) It's actually implied that [[spoiler: the Elder God didn't actually create or even empower him. It told Raziel that to manipulate him.]]
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