History Main / FantasyGunControl

6th Feb '16 5:47:04 PM Discar
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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': About half of the series takes place in a fantasy world inhabited by classic fairytale characters. On Captain Hook's ship, cannons can be seen in the background. However, that is the only time gunpowder weapons make an appearance in the Enchanted Forest world. Also, guns are never seen being used in battle. ** Emma tries to kill both an [[GenreBlindness ogre and a dragon with a pistol]]. * ''Series/{{Revolution}}'' ** Most civilians carry low-tech weapons like swords and crossbows even though cartridge firearms were invented before electricity was harnessed. This is explained as guns being illegal for civilians to own, which was graphically demonstrated on a rebel who got caught by the militia for illegally possessing guns in [[Recap/RevolutionS1E2ChainedHeat Episode 2]]. However, that doesn't explain why militia members, who are allowed to have guns, only use muskets. Could be explained by most of the modern ammunition being used up during the intervening 15 years. Musketballs are probably easier to manufacture with primitive technology. This theory is verified by [[Recap/RevolutionS1E3NoQuarter Episode 3]], with Jeremy mentioning that pre-blackout ammunition was a rare commodity and that copper jackets and smokeless powder were beyond at least the Monroe Republic's manufacturing capabilities. ** Although that too makes little sense; modern weapons can easily fire lead bullets without a copper jacket, smokeless powder can be replaced by conventional gunpowder (although at a lower efficiency), and brass casings are reusable. The hardest part would be replacing modern primers, but that's possible too. *** It could also be a control measure as well. Monroes guards are seen carrying automatic weapons, while most of the rank and file are carrying single shot muskets. Considering that it can take anywhere from 20-30 seconds to reload a musket of any type, they certainly wouldn't be able to match the fire power of those most loyal to Monroe, who would then proceed to waste every one of them with a single magazine in the time it takes any of them to get their next shot off. ** Later episodes did bring out modern weapons into the mix...
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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': About half of the series takes place in a fantasy world inhabited by classic fairytale characters. On Captain Hook's ship, cannons can be seen in the background. However, that is the only time gunpowder weapons make an appearance in the Enchanted Forest world. Also, guns are never seen being used in battle. ** battle. Emma tries to kill both an [[GenreBlindness ogre and a dragon with a pistol]].pistol]], [[ImmuneToBullets both of which fail]]. * ''Series/{{Revolution}}'' ** ''Series/{{Revolution}}'' Most civilians carry low-tech weapons like swords and crossbows even though cartridge firearms were invented before electricity was harnessed. This is explained as guns being illegal for civilians to own, which was graphically demonstrated on a rebel who got caught by the militia for illegally possessing guns in [[Recap/RevolutionS1E2ChainedHeat Episode 2]]. However, that doesn't explain why militia members, who are allowed to have guns, only use muskets. Could be explained by most of the modern ammunition being used up during the intervening 15 years. Musketballs are probably easier to manufacture with primitive technology. This theory is verified by [[Recap/RevolutionS1E3NoQuarter Episode 3]], with Jeremy mentioning that pre-blackout ammunition was a rare commodity and that copper jackets and smokeless powder were beyond at least the Monroe Republic's manufacturing capabilities. ** Although that too makes little sense; modern weapons can easily fire lead bullets without a copper jacket, smokeless powder can be replaced by conventional gunpowder (although at a lower efficiency), and brass casings are reusable. The hardest part would be replacing modern primers, but that's possible too. *** It could also be a control measure as well. Monroes guards are seen carrying automatic weapons, while most of the rank and file are carrying single shot muskets. Considering that it can take anywhere from 20-30 seconds to reload a musket of any type, they certainly wouldn't be able to match the fire power of those most loyal to Monroe, who would then proceed to waste every one of them with a single magazine in the time it takes any of them to get their next shot off. ** Later episodes did bring out modern weapons into the mix...capabilities.

* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' are an interesting case. Guns don't appear, although by the second series technology has progressed to not just cars, radios, and skyscrapers, but [[spoiler:biplanes, plasma cutters, and even ''MiniMecha'']]. This is explained by the fact that rudimentary early firearms wouldn't have stood a chance against powerful [[ElementalPowers benders]], especially the [[ExtraOredinary metal-benders]]. However, gunpowder and other explosives are quite prevalent, and used in both war and terrorism. One cannon is even seen as early as the first series. ** In the final season of ''Korra'', [[spoiler:Kuvira's [[FantasticNuke spirit energy]] WaveMotionGun]] bears great resemblance to a real-life railway cannon, and is referred to as such.
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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' are an interesting case. Guns don't appear, although by the second series technology has progressed to not just cars, radios, and skyscrapers, but [[spoiler:biplanes, plasma cutters, and even ''MiniMecha'']]. This is explained by the fact that rudimentary early firearms wouldn't have stood a chance against powerful [[ElementalPowers benders]], especially the [[ExtraOredinary metal-benders]]. However, gunpowder and other explosives are quite prevalent, and used in both war and terrorism. One cannon is even seen as early as the first series. ** series. In the final season of ''Korra'', [[spoiler:Kuvira's [[FantasticNuke spirit energy]] WaveMotionGun]] bears great resemblance to a real-life railway cannon, and is referred to as such.
12th Jan '16 4:44:32 AM jormis29
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* Film/{{Frozen}} has this, which is odd, since the story is set in a [[FantasyCounterpartCulture magical fantasy counterpart of 1820s Scandinavia]], and everyone is fighting either with weapons that were in use almost exclusively parallely to firearms (like 19th century cavalry sabres and lances) or inexcusably anachronistic ''crossbows''.
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* Film/{{Frozen}} ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' has this, which is odd, since the story is set in a [[FantasyCounterpartCulture magical fantasy counterpart of 1820s Scandinavia]], and everyone is fighting either with weapons that were in use almost exclusively parallely to firearms (like 19th century cavalry sabres and lances) or inexcusably anachronistic ''crossbows''.
9th Dec '15 5:38:26 PM jeez
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* Film/{{Frozen}} has this, which is odd, since the story is set in a [[FantasyCounterpartCulture magical fantasy counterpart of 1820s Scandinavia]], and everyone is fighting either with weapons that were in use almost exclusively parallely to firearms (like 19th century cavalry sabres and lances) or inexcusably anachronistic ''crossbows''.
6th Dec '15 8:42:22 AM ecuvulle6267
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* ''Film/TheHungerGames'': Though the Capitol law enforcement is seen carrying black automatic rifles, the Districts have no such access since it's in the best interest of the powers-that-be to not have subjects shooting back at them. No firearms are provided in the actual Hunger Games themselves, likely to keep the games more interesting.
20th Nov '15 10:43:32 PM TheBigBopper
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That bottom bullet point's not entirely accurate; Roger Bacon wrote about gunpowder in the 13th century, but it wasn't until the early 14th century that practical cannons were used in European battle. By the mid 15th century however there were significant numbers of cannon and handguns on the battlefield, and by the 16th century both cannon and the arquebus were the main projectile weapons of the battlefield. Also, more portable handgonnes were invented almost right after cannons, even if they took much longer to be useful. Miura is in that sense making a conscious decision to limit firearms in his setting rather than follow history exactly.
* Downplayed in the ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' universe. Gunpowder exists, and at least two characters use steampunk-style cannons: Guts himself, who has [[ArmCannon one to replace his left arm]], and the demonic Grunbeld, who has one built into his shield. Full-sized cannon are also used for attack and defense in siege warfare and naval combat. Nevertheless, hand guns such as arquebuses or pistols do not seem to exist as any ranged weapons depicted tend to be bows or crossbows. ** This is TruthInTelevision for the period of european history the comic typically references: gunpowder technology existed in Europe from the 13th century but infantry firearms were extremely rare until the 17th, which is usually considered Renaissance-era. The last time the Vatican was strong enough to declare a crusade (something that happens by analogy during a plot arc) were the ottoman crusades in the 15th.
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* Downplayed in ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': In Berserk's fantastic setting, where magic can reshape the ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' universe. Gunpowder exists, landscape in a matter of moments and at least two characters strong swordsmen sometimes end a fight scene on a literal mountain of bodies, the exclusion of firearms from the story is heavily [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]]. On one hand, just about all armies and navies make extensive use steampunk-style cannons: of cannons, to the point where the objective of the first raid that Griffith makes Guts himself, who has [[ArmCannon one participate in is to replace his left arm]], and set the demonic Grunbeld, who has one built into his shield. Full-sized cannon are also used for attack and defense in siege warfare and naval combat. Nevertheless, hand guns such as arquebuses or pistols do not seem to exist as any ranged weapons depicted tend to be bows or crossbows. ** This is TruthInTelevision for the period of european history the comic typically references: enemy's gunpowder technology existed in Europe stores on fire, and he sets his own artillery as an ambush for the enemy. Guts and Grunbeld each have a miniaturized cannon as part of their personal weaponry, and use their explosive power as a devastating trump card against hordes of enemies or powerful monsters, to which can be added Rickert's [[spoiler:portable rocket launcher]] and the miniature bombs he made for Guts. The big caveat that makes the trope still present is that besides these characters, warfare is still universally waged with arrows from massed bowmen and crossbowmen, and even the 13th century but infantry countries whose large number of cannons suggest the technological capacity to mass-produce hand firearms were extremely rare until the 17th, which is usually considered Renaissance-era. for their troops continue to rely on old-fashioned archery without a hand gun in sight. The last fact that Rickert also invented an AutomaticCrossbow for Guts that fires faster than any gun suggests that bows won't become obsolete any time the Vatican was strong enough to declare a crusade (something that happens by analogy during a plot arc) were the ottoman crusades in the 15th.soon.
20th Nov '15 3:41:47 PM Deblin
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** This is TruthInTelevision for the period of european history the comic typically references: gunpowder technology existed in Europe from the 13th century but infantry firearms were extremely rare until the 17th, which is usually considered Renaissance-era. The last time the Vatican was strong enough to declare a crusade (something that happens by analogy during a plot arc) were the ottoman crusades in the 15th.
15th Nov '15 12:03:44 AM Spheniscine
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* The Dimension of Lame from ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' has this in place, though not for the usual reasons. It's not that they don't have the technological capacity to build guns, it's just that every single being in that universe is a die-hard pacifist. Even tapeworms are polite and friendly and inexplicably sapient. Their most advanced weapon is a NUKE (Notification of Unified Kindness' Envelopes), the "NUKE" blankets the area with thousands of polite yet stern letters. Their greatest psychopath, after months of training, manages to bring himself to hit a demon in the toe with a mallet before having a breakdown and apologizing.
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* The Dimension of Lame from ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' has this in place, though not for the usual reasons. It's not that they don't have the technological capacity to build guns, it's just that every single being in that universe is a die-hard pacifist. Even tapeworms are polite and friendly and inexplicably sapient. Their most advanced weapon is a NUKE (Notification of Unified Kindness' Envelopes), the "NUKE" blankets the area with thousands of polite yet stern letters. (This is considered a weapon of absolute last resort, as it is littering!) Their greatest psychopath, after months of training, manages to bring himself to hit a demon in the toe with a mallet before having a breakdown and apologizing.
10th Nov '15 4:35:56 PM Akka
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Completely wrong.
** Although if you want to get very technical, Europe (the base of basically all fantasy gaming) did not see gunpowder until the Siege of Constantinople in 1453, which also signaled the end of the Medieval Era and the beginning of the Modern.
30th Oct '15 2:34:49 AM Canondorf
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**Although if you want to get very technical, Europe (the base of basically all fantasy gaming) did not see gunpowder until the Siege of Constantinople in 1453, which also signaled the end of the Medieval Era and the beginning of the Modern.
3rd Oct '15 11:44:00 AM Hewhoarisesinmight
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Toph directly calls it a cannon; Bolin isn't terribly well educated, so his vocabulary isn't really representative.
** In the final season of ''Korra'', [[spoiler:Kuvira's [[FantasticNuke spirit energy]] WaveMotionGun]] bears great resemblance to a real-life railway cannon, but OrphanedEtymology is averted. --> '''Bolin:''' Wooow. That's one big... ''thing''.
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** In the final season of ''Korra'', [[spoiler:Kuvira's [[FantasticNuke spirit energy]] WaveMotionGun]] bears great resemblance to a real-life railway cannon, but OrphanedEtymology and is averted. --> '''Bolin:''' Wooow. That's one big... ''thing''.referred to as such.
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