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19th Sep '17 8:20:14 AM JJHIL325
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** After Steven successfully uses ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove during the first two seasons to befriend Lapis, Peridot, and [[spoiler: The Cluster]], you'd think that the show's main theme would be "Love Conquers All", right? Nope! In Season 3, Steven's confrontations with [[spoiler:Bismuth, Jasper and Eyeball]] force him to learn two very harsh Aesops. One, in lots of cases, [[RealityEnsues reasoning and showing kindness to somebody won't be enough to convince them to change their ways]]. Two, there's nothing wrong with pacifism, but you have to understand that sometimes ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption when dealing with an enemy that will stop at nothing until they see you dead.

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** After Steven successfully uses ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove during the first two seasons to befriend Lapis, Peridot, and [[spoiler: The Cluster]], you'd think that the show's main theme would be "Love Conquers All", right? Nope! In Season 3, Steven's confrontations with [[spoiler:Bismuth, Jasper and Eyeball]] force him to learn two very harsh Aesops. One, in lots of cases, that [[RealityEnsues sometimes reasoning and showing kindness to somebody won't be enough to convince them to change their ways]]. Two, there's nothing wrong with pacifism, but you have to understand that ways]], and sometimes ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption when dealing with an enemy that [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption pacifism will stop at nothing until they see you dead.fail and you'll have no choice but to use violence]].
18th Sep '17 1:40:35 PM JJHIL325
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** "One Bad Apple" has Babs Seed [[KarmaHoudini getting away with bullying the Cutie Mark Crusaders]] because [[FreudianExcuse she was also bullied in her hometown of Manehattan]]. When we find out why Babs has been picking on the CMC, we get AnAesop that "standing up to a bully will make ''you'' a bully as well". Needless to say, this came under a lot of fire from both parents and fans who were actual bullying victims for effectively teaching that, 1) it's wrong to stand up for or defend yourself, and 2) that somebody has the right to be a bully if they've been a bully themselves.
*** It also says "Find an adult to help". As anyone who has been bullied can tell you: AdultsAreUseless when it comes to bullying. (So much that before NoRealLifeExamplesPlease was put on that trope, most responses were about bullying.)

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** "One Bad Apple" has Babs Seed [[KarmaHoudini getting away with bullying the Cutie Mark Crusaders]] because [[FreudianExcuse she was also bullied in her hometown of Manehattan]]. When we find out why Babs has been picking on the CMC, we get AnAesop that "standing up to a bully will make ''you'' a bully as well". Needless to say, [[InternetBackdraft this came under a lot of fire fire]] from both parents and fans (especially the ones who were actual bullying victims victims) for effectively teaching that, 1) that [[UnfortunateImplications it's wrong to stand up for or defend yourself, and 2) that somebody has the right to be a bully if they've been a bully themselves.
bullied themselves]].
*** It also says "Find an adult to help". As anyone who has been bullied can tell you: AdultsAreUseless when it comes to bullying.you, [[AdultsAreUseless telling an adult what's going on won't automatically stop the bullying]]. (So much that before NoRealLifeExamplesPlease was put on that trope, most responses were about bullying.)
17th Sep '17 5:28:15 PM creader
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* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman''
** The episode "The Telescope" has the message of "apologizing to someone does not automatically make everything better, especially when you're only apologizing to make ''yourself'' feel better". When Bojack visits Herb Kazazz, the former director of the show he starred in who he hasn't seen in twenty years, he tries to apologize to Herb for not threatening to quit the show after [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Herb was outed as gay and subsequently fired]]. Herb [[RejectedApology flat-out refuses to accept the apology]], partially because Bojack essentially abandoned him when Herb needed him just so he could stay on the show, and partially because Herb knows that Bojack is mostly just trying to make himself feel better rather than being genuinely remorseful for his actions.
** "Run, Diane Nguyen, Run" has "you don't own anything to your family that they don't deserve". Diane was raised by a family that emotionally and verbally abused her on a daily basis and she ran away as soon as she got the chance, however, being the [[WhiteSheep only one with a steady income and sense of responsibility]], she has to come back to take care of her father's funeral since everyone else is too incompetent to do it, after being harshly reminded of the reason why she ran away in the first place. Afterwards, Bojack convinces her that she did the right thing, her family is horrible and she is much better off without them.
** Season 3's "It's You" throws a harsh reality on Bojack's face after [[spoiler:a fallout with Todd that ends their friendship]]: no matter how much he wants to pin everything he does on his [[DarkAndTroubledPast abusive parents, drinking problems, broken relationships, and traumas]], ultimately ''he'' is the only one to blame for the bad things he has done. Having a FreudianExcuse does NOT make him unaccountable for when his actions hurt others or even himself.

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** The episode "The Telescope" has the message of "apologizing to someone does not automatically make everything better, especially when you're only apologizing to make ''yourself'' feel better". When Bojack [=BoJack=] visits Herb Kazazz, the former director of the show he starred in who he hasn't seen in twenty years, he tries to apologize to Herb for not threatening to quit the show after [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Herb was outed as gay and subsequently fired]]. Herb [[RejectedApology flat-out refuses to accept the apology]], partially because Bojack [=BoJack=] essentially abandoned him when Herb needed him just so he could stay on the show, and partially because Herb knows that Bojack [=BoJack=] is mostly just trying to make himself feel better rather than being genuinely remorseful for his actions.
** "Run, Diane Nguyen, Run" has "you don't own anything to your family that they don't deserve". Diane was raised by a family that emotionally and verbally abused her on a daily basis and she ran away as soon as she got the chance, however, being the [[WhiteSheep only one with a steady income and sense of responsibility]], she has to come back to take care of her father's funeral since everyone else is too incompetent to do it, after being harshly reminded of the reason why she ran away in the first place. Afterwards, Bojack [=BoJack=] convinces her that she did the right thing, her family is horrible and she is much better off without them.
** Season 3's "It's You" throws a harsh reality on Bojack's [=BoJack=]'s face after [[spoiler:a fallout with Todd that ends their friendship]]: no matter how much he wants to pin everything he does on his [[DarkAndTroubledPast abusive parents, drinking problems, broken relationships, and traumas]], ultimately ''he'' is the only one to blame for the bad things he has done. Having a FreudianExcuse does NOT make him unaccountable for when his actions hurt others or even himself.



** While sticking to your personal morals and refusing to take part in a corrupt system is admirable, doing so will also usually make things in life much more difficult. Daria (and once, Jane) would tell several people with questionable ethics off, or quit a project that went against her morals only to have nothing to show for it afterwards (and sometimes, even be punished for it). At least twice they even [[LampshadeHanging lampshade this]]. When Jane quits the track team they point out while Jane refused to take part in a corrupt school athletic system, [[JerkassHasAPoint she also did nothing to try and change said system]], and both Daria and Jane were punished by the gym teacher for it. In a later episode, after Daria says she had to quit the school yearbook for 'moral reasons' Helen just sighs and says "again?"

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** While sticking to your personal morals and refusing to take part in a corrupt system is admirable, doing so will also usually make things in life much more difficult. Daria (and once, Jane) would tell several people with questionable ethics off, or quit a project that went against her morals only to have nothing to show for it afterwards (and sometimes, even be punished for it). At least twice they even [[LampshadeHanging lampshade this]]. When Jane quits the track team they point out while Jane refused to take part in a corrupt school athletic system, [[JerkassHasAPoint she also did nothing to try and change said system]], and both Daria and Jane were punished by the gym teacher for it. In a later episode, after Daria says she had to quit the school yearbook for 'moral reasons' Helen just sighs and says "again?""Again?"



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* ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob SquarePants}}'': The infamous episode "Stuck In The Wringer" ends with [=SpongeBob=], after going through an [[TraumaCongaLine incredibly rough day]] while stuck in a wringer, breaking down crying...which gets him out of the wringer. [=SpongeBob=] then turns to the camera and says: "I guess crying can solve your problems after all!". Considering the delivery of the line, [[SpoofAesop it likely wasn't intended to be taken seriously]], but considering everything that had just happened...

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob SquarePants}}'': ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'': The infamous episode "Stuck In The Wringer" ends with [=SpongeBob=], after going through an [[TraumaCongaLine incredibly rough day]] while stuck in a wringer, breaking down crying...which gets him out of the wringer. [=SpongeBob=] then turns to the camera and says: "I guess crying can solve your problems after all!". Considering the delivery of the line, [[SpoofAesop it likely wasn't intended to be taken seriously]], but considering everything that had just happened...
13th Sep '17 10:58:28 PM Nicoaln
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*** It also says "Find an adult to help". As anyone who has been bullied can tell you: AdultsAreUseless when it comes to bullying. (So much that before NoRealLifeExamplesPlease was put on that trope, most responses were about bullying.)
8th Sep '17 6:24:40 PM hubakon1368
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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn'' (Be aware that these examples also fall under BrokenAesop territory.)

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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn'' ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic'' (Be aware that these examples also fall under BrokenAesop territory.)
2nd Sep '17 11:08:17 PM SenorCornholio
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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn'' (Be aware that this examples also fall under BrokenAesop territory.)

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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn'' (Be aware that this these examples also fall under BrokenAesop territory.)
2nd Sep '17 11:02:11 AM TommyTiger
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*** Not just female-on-male sexual harassment, but also female-on-male '''''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale RAPE]]!'''''

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*** Not just female-on-male sexual harassment, but also female-on-male '''''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale RAPE]]!'''''''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale rape]].''



** Not only that, but Bloom sneaks into Red Fountain and attacks Diaspro, believing her to be one of [[BigBad the Trix]]! While it's understandable that Bloom would be hurt, Diaspro didn't even have any idea that she existed! [[SarcasmMode Because it's always the other person's fault if YOUR significant other cheats on you...]]
*** After Bloom finds out the truth, she decides that she doesn't want to be a fairy anymore and leaves Alfea. Let me restate that: She decides to give up all her dreams just because she got her heart broken! [[SarcasmMode Yeah, because your dreams are worth giving up over a broken heart.]] And when her friends attempt to talk her out of it, she barely even considers what they're saying. Really, Bloom? That's how you treat the people who have been your friends ''since day 1''?!

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** Not only that, but Bloom sneaks into Red Fountain and attacks Diaspro, believing her to be one of [[BigBad the Trix]]! Trix]]. While it's understandable that Bloom would be hurt, Diaspro didn't even have any idea that she existed! [[SarcasmMode Because it's always the existed. In other person's words it wasn't her fault if YOUR significant other cheats that Sky cheated on you...]]
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*** After Bloom finds out the truth, she decides that she doesn't want to be a fairy anymore and leaves Alfea. Let me Let's restate that: She decides to give up all her dreams just because she got her heart broken! [[SarcasmMode Yeah, because your dreams are worth giving up over a broken heart.]] broken. And when her friends attempt to talk her out of it, she barely even considers what they're saying. Really, Bloom? That's how you treat the people who have been your friends ''since day 1''?!saying.
1st Sep '17 8:48:22 AM gophergiggles
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** A lot of kids shows are willing to teach the message that it's sometimes okay to lie in order to spare people's feelings, the episode "Bottomless Pit" takes it farther and has Mabel learn it's okay to lie to get out of trouble.
26th Aug '17 2:43:43 PM NEOIVAN100
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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn''

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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn''''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn'' (Be aware that this examples also fall under BrokenAesop territory.)
21st Aug '17 8:36:30 AM hubakon1368
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* ''FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn''
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* ''Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn'':
** "A-B-C... DD" has Daphne Dil making a speech about how she prefers having a code number over a Cutie Mark, and dismissing Cutie Marks as "silly" before stating that she wouldn't want one even if she could get one. Given that Cutie Marks represent a pony's individuality while the Space Ponies' code numbers are not given any meaning whatsoever, it's basically stating that mindless conformity is more important than being yourself.
** The Season 2 episode "Order of Choice" is a copy of the ''Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue'' episode "[[Recap/PowerRangersLightspeedRescueTrialByFire Trial By Fire]]". The original episode was all about learning to see all of the variables and learning about trust. This episode was more about obeying blindly without thinking, essentially Mykan saying his characters are better.
** In "Truth Hurts", Ace Ray is detained by Starfleet for the crime of speaking out against them (if they really were arresting him for beating up his sister, they wouldn't be making such a huge deal about his criticisms of Starfleet), and is either {{Mind Rape}}d into subservience (in the original) or committed to an asylum and has his memories used in Starfleet propaganda (in the rewrite). In either case, the treatment of Ace carries the message that others who disagree with your opinions are crazy and wrong, and should be ''made'' to agree with you.
** In "Win, Lose, or Die", Twilight races out to fight Raven despite there being orders that nobody under any circumstances is to fight her due to her immense power. Everyone and their mother will condemn her for this [[spoiler:when she is subsequently killed]], even though disobeying her boss would save lives. Thus, readers are taught that you should not try to take down a threat to your loved ones, especially if you've been ordered not to do so and/or the threat is much more powerful.
*** Not to mention the fact that when [[spoiler:[[VictimBlaming Twilight dies, she's blamed for her own death. So, if someone kills you because you tried to defend someone from them, it's your fault and not the murderer's.]]]]
** "Desperate Efforts" carries the morals that, if your loved ones die on your birthday, you should never celebrate it again because that would be to celebrate their demise, that your loved ones would want you to be sorrowful on your special day and that you should think about your family and friends only on the day they died.

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* ''Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn'':
** "A-B-C... DD" has Daphne Dil making a speech about how she prefers having a code number over a Cutie Mark, and dismissing Cutie Marks as "silly" before stating that she wouldn't want one even if she could get one. Given that Cutie Marks represent a pony's individuality while the Space Ponies' code numbers are not given any meaning whatsoever, it's basically stating that mindless conformity is more important than being yourself.
** The Season 2 episode "Order of Choice" is a copy of the ''Series/PowerRangersLightspeedRescue'' episode "[[Recap/PowerRangersLightspeedRescueTrialByFire Trial By Fire]]". The original episode was all about learning to see all of the variables and learning about trust. This episode was more about obeying blindly without thinking, essentially Mykan saying his characters are better.
** In "Truth Hurts", Ace Ray is detained by Starfleet for the crime of speaking out against them (if they really were arresting him for beating up his sister, they wouldn't be making such a huge deal about his criticisms of Starfleet), and is either {{Mind Rape}}d into subservience (in the original) or committed to an asylum and has his memories used in Starfleet propaganda (in the rewrite). In either case, the treatment of Ace carries the message that others who disagree with your opinions are crazy and wrong, and should be ''made'' to agree with you.
** In "Win, Lose, or Die", Twilight races out to fight Raven despite there being orders that nobody under any circumstances is to fight her due to her immense power. Everyone and their mother will condemn her for this [[spoiler:when she is subsequently killed]], even though disobeying her boss would save lives. Thus, readers are taught that you should not try to take down a threat to your loved ones, especially if you've been ordered not to do so and/or the threat is much more powerful.
*** Not to mention the fact that when [[spoiler:[[VictimBlaming Twilight dies, she's blamed for her
''Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn'': [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop/MyLittleUnicorn Has its own death. So, if someone kills you because you tried to defend someone from them, it's your fault and not the murderer's.]]]]
** "Desperate Efforts" carries the morals that, if your loved ones die on your birthday, you should never celebrate it again because that would be to celebrate their demise, that your loved ones would want you to be sorrowful on your special day and that you should think about your family and friends only on the day they died.
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