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3rd Dec '16 4:46:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' works with the idea that the [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} famous poem]] was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' works with the idea that the [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} famous poem]] was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, badass, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.
29th Oct '16 4:40:18 AM StFan
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* ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'': The version of the events of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' told in the second story arc reveals that what killed the Martians was not just Earth microbes, but a virus deliberately engineered by none other than [[Literature/TheIslandOfDoctorMoreau Dr. Moreau]], at the behest of a {{steampunk}}ish TheMenInBlack organisation. Much of the premise of this comic is also an example: Most of the members of the league, who are all characters lifted from existing works of fiction, are revealed to have faked their own deaths before the beginning of the narrative. The prose at the end of each volume also fits this trope, since it contains many, many retcons of other works; for example, an explanation of ''[[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' as a trip to a horrible world where the rules of logic did not exist, and after ''Through the Looking Glass'', Alice starves to death [[MirrorChemistry because the chirality of her body's molecules has been reversed and thus proteins from Earth food can no longer bond with her]] (which is also an obscure reference to the original work, where Alice considered the very possibility).

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* ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'': ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'':
** Much of the premise of this comic is also an example: Most of the members of the league, who are all characters lifted from existing works of fiction, are revealed to have faked their own deaths before the beginning of the narrative. The prose at the end of each volume also fits this trope, since it contains many, many retcons of other works.
** For example, an explanation of ''Literature/AlicesAdventureInWonderland'' as a trip to a horrible world where the rules of logic did not exist, and after ''Through the Looking Glass'', Alice starves to death [[MirrorChemistry because the chirality of her body's molecules has been reversed and thus proteins from Earth food can no longer bond with her]] (which is also an obscure reference to the original work, where Alice considered the very possibility).
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The version of the events of ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' told in the second story arc reveals that what killed the Martians was not just Earth microbes, but a virus deliberately engineered by none other than [[Literature/TheIslandOfDoctorMoreau Dr. Moreau]], at the behest of a {{steampunk}}ish TheMenInBlack organisation. Much of the premise of this comic is also an example: Most of the members of the league, who are all characters lifted from existing works of fiction, are revealed to have faked their own deaths before the beginning of the narrative. The prose at the end of each volume also fits this trope, since it contains many, many retcons of other works; for example, an explanation of ''[[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice's Adventures in Wonderland]]'' as a trip to a horrible world where the rules of logic did not exist, and after ''Through the Looking Glass'', Alice starves to death [[MirrorChemistry because the chirality of her body's molecules has been reversed and thus proteins from Earth food can no longer bond with her]] (which is also an obscure reference to the original work, where Alice considered the very possibility).



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* The Webcomic/{{Snowflame}} fan comic gives a backstory to the eponymous character, originally a one-shot joke villain from ''ComicBook/TheNewGuardians'' [[MemeticMutation who became ridiculously popular on the Internet]]. Here he's a Columbian gangster named Fabian Orosco who was possessed by an evil spirit.



* In ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', the reason King Kai told Goku the planet Vegeta was [[RocksFallEveryoneDies destroyed by a meteor]] instead of the real reason was because Freeza [[WikiVandal vandalized the space wiki page]]. King Kai immediately realized something was strange, but [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny Goku quickly lost interest]] and the issue was dropped. Goku questions Freeza's ability to tell time some time after he says Namek will blow up in 5 minutes.
* In the original ''VideoGame/HalfLife1'', the fact that Gordon didn't have access on ''any'' of the retinal scanners didn't make much sense in the Anomalous Materials lab, where he worked and should therefore have had access. In ''Machinima/FreemansMind'', we learn that the reason for this is because he got caught playing racquet ball in the anti-mass spectrometer room. Management doesn't want Gordon going anywhere in the facility without permission. In fact, ''Freeman's Mind'' rationalizes a lot of things that don't make sense in the original game: fundamentally useless rooms like the box-smashing shed are attempts to pad out the budget [[TruthInTelevision (a very common real-life technique)]]; Gordon knows how to use a gun because [[ProperlyParanoid he foresaw a time when he might need one;]] and [[InformedAbility his role in Black Mesa appears to consist mainly of pushing trolleys]] [[CloudCuckooLander because he couldn't be trusted with anything else.]]



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* ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'': The premise is that Disney's original ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'' was based on inaccurate information regarding the title character and her relationship with Princess Aurora. The film's Narrator -- eventually revealed to be [[spoiler: an elderly Aurora]] -- lampshades this at the beginning and end of the film. At the same time, there are enough changes in the film to classify it as an AlternateContinuity.
* ''Room 237'' is a movie about all of the theories regarding the symbolism and meaning behind ''Film/TheShining''.
* There is ''Film/WithoutAClue'' in which Holmes is a character Watson uses to make his stories more interesting, but public demand forces him to hire a clueless actor to play the part.



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* ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'': The premise is that Disney's original ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'' was based on inaccurate information regarding the title character and her relationship with Princess Aurora. The film's Narrator -- eventually revealed to be [[spoiler:an elderly Aurora]] -- lampshades this at the beginning and end of the film. At the same time, there are enough changes in the film to classify it as an AlternateContinuity.
* ''Room 237'' is a movie about all of the theories regarding the symbolism and meaning behind ''Film/TheShining''.
* There is ''Film/WithoutAClue'' in which Holmes is a character Watson uses to make his stories more interesting, but public demand forces him to hire a clueless actor to play the part.
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* ''The True Story of the Three Little Pigs'' features the Big Bad Wolf (real name: Alexander T. Wolf) telling the ''real'' story of his hunting of the pigs: he only wanted a cup of sugar from each pig, but his ''[[SneezeOfDoom sneezes]]'' had the unfortunate accidental result of demolishing their houses and causing their untimely deaths. No one's going to leave a perfectly good dead pig just lying around. So he ate them. As for the third pig, he insulted Al's granny, resulting in Al [[BerserkButton trying to break down the door]] by the time the cops came by...
** A single-panel cartoon had the wolf and the pigs sharing beer and sandwiches while they laughingly reminisce about "how I blew down your houses for the insurance."
** The ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Guardian]]'' advertisements about getting the story ''behind'' the story also has it as an insurance scam, but with the wolf as an innocent patsy. "I know that wolf! He's got asthma!"



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* Horror anthology webcomic ''Webcomic/NightmareWorld'' did a variation of the "Moriarty was imaginary" concept where Moriarty was actually a [[JekyllAndHyde Hyde-like]] alternate persona of Holmes, created so he'd have an opponent who could match wits with him on even footing.
** The concept was also used in a stage play (with Jeremy Brett as Holmes) in the eighties.
* In the ''RolePlay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the H.G. Wells novel ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'', as well as both the novel's 1953 and 2005 film adaptations, were actually fictionalized accounts of three separate but very real unsuccessful invasions by the alien Daribi.

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[[folder:Video Games]]
* One big plot hole in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' is "why can't the Fellowship ride the Eagles to Mordor and dispose of the Ring lickety-split?", with the official answer being "Sauron has such dominion over Mordor that he controls even the air currents". This is not widely accepted. ''VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfMordor'' introduces a creature called a "hell-hawk", a smaller cousin to the Nazgûl's flying steeds which attack eagles on sight, in much the same way crows instinctively hate owls.
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[[folder:Web Comics]]
* Horror anthology webcomic ''Webcomic/NightmareWorld'' did a variation of the "Moriarty was imaginary" concept where Moriarty was actually a [[JekyllAndHyde Hyde-like]] alternate persona of Holmes, created so he'd have an opponent who could match wits with him on even footing.
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footing. The concept was also used in a stage play (with Jeremy Brett as Holmes) in the eighties.
* In the ''RolePlay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the H.G. Wells novel ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'', as well as both the novel's 1953 and 2005 film adaptations, were actually fictionalized accounts of three separate but very real unsuccessful invasions by the alien Daribi.
eighties.



* The Literature/WhateleyUniverse is a superhero world, so the retcons often relate to comic books. In-universe it is known that TheBaroness of the G.I. Joe stories was a blatant ripoff of supervillainess Lady Hydra, but she was retired for long enough that the comic book authors didn't get killed. It is also recognized in-universe that the 'age one year every four years' ComicBookTime is in honor of the legendary Miss Champion (later Lady Champion) of the 40's and 50's (who is still aging so slowly that she looks like she is in her early thirties even though she is now a mid-seventies school headmistress).
* In ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', the reason King Kai told Goku the planet Vegeta was [[RocksFallEveryoneDies destroyed by a meteor]] instead of the real reason was because Freeza [[WikiVandal vandalized the space wiki page]]. King Kai immediately realized something was strange, but [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny Goku quickly lost interest]] and the issue was dropped. Goku questions Freeza's ability to tell time some time after he says Namek will blow up in 5 minutes.
* In the original ''VideoGame/HalfLife1'', the fact that Gordon didn't have access on ''any'' of the retinal scanners didn't make much sense in the Anomalous Materials lab, where he worked and should therefore have had access. In ''Machinima/FreemansMind'', we learn that the reason for this is because he got caught playing racquet ball in the anti-mass spectrometer room. Management doesn't want Gordon going anywhere in the facility without permission. In fact, ''Freeman's Mind'' rationalizes a lot of things that don't make sense in the original game: fundamentally useless rooms like the box-smashing shed are attempts to pad out the budget [[TruthInTelevision (a very common real-life technique)]]; Gordon knows how to use a gun because [[ProperlyParanoid he foresaw a time when he might need one;]] and [[InformedAbility his role in Black Mesa appears to consist mainly of pushing trolleys]] [[CloudCuckooLander because he couldn't be trusted with anything else.]]

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* The Literature/WhateleyUniverse is a superhero world, so the retcons often relate to ''Webcomic/{{Snowflame}}'' fan comic books. In-universe it is known that TheBaroness of gives a backstory to the G.I. Joe stories eponymous character, originally a one-shot joke villain from ''ComicBook/TheNewGuardians'' [[MemeticMutation who became ridiculously popular on the Internet]]. Here he's a Columbian gangster named Fabian Orosco who was a blatant ripoff of supervillainess Lady Hydra, but she was retired for long enough that the comic book authors didn't get killed. It is also recognized in-universe that the 'age one year every four years' ComicBookTime is in honor of the legendary Miss Champion (later Lady Champion) of the 40's and 50's (who is still aging so slowly that she looks like she is in her early thirties even though she is now a mid-seventies school headmistress).
* In ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', the reason King Kai told Goku the planet Vegeta was [[RocksFallEveryoneDies destroyed
possessed by a meteor]] instead of the real reason was because Freeza [[WikiVandal vandalized the space wiki page]]. King Kai immediately realized something was strange, but [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny Goku quickly lost interest]] and the issue was dropped. Goku questions Freeza's ability to tell time some time after he says Namek will blow up in 5 minutes.
* In the original ''VideoGame/HalfLife1'', the fact that Gordon didn't have access on ''any'' of the retinal scanners didn't make much sense in the Anomalous Materials lab, where he worked and should therefore have had access. In ''Machinima/FreemansMind'', we learn that the reason for this is because he got caught playing racquet ball in the anti-mass spectrometer room. Management doesn't want Gordon going anywhere in the facility without permission. In fact, ''Freeman's Mind'' rationalizes a lot of things that don't make sense in the original game: fundamentally useless rooms like the box-smashing shed are attempts to pad out the budget [[TruthInTelevision (a very common real-life technique)]]; Gordon knows how to use a gun because [[ProperlyParanoid he foresaw a time when he might need one;]] and [[InformedAbility his role in Black Mesa appears to consist mainly of pushing trolleys]] [[CloudCuckooLander because he couldn't be trusted with anything else.]]
an evil spirit.



[[folder:Web Original]]
* In the ''RolePlay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the H.G. Wells novel ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'', as well as both the novel's 1953 and 2005 film adaptations, were actually fictionalized accounts of three separate but very real unsuccessful invasions by the alien Daribi.
* The ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'' is a superhero world, so the retcons often relate to comic books. In-universe it is known that TheBaroness of the G.I. Joe stories was a blatant ripoff of supervillainess Lady Hydra, but she was retired for long enough that the comic book authors didn't get killed. It is also recognized in-universe that the 'age one year every four years' ComicBookTime is in honor of the legendary Miss Champion (later Lady Champion) of the 40's and 50's (who is still aging so slowly that she looks like she is in her early thirties even though she is now a mid-seventies school headmistress).
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* ''The True Story Of The Three Little Pigs'' features the Big Bad Wolf (real name: Alexander T. Wolf) telling the ''real'' story of his hunting of the pigs: he only wanted a cup of sugar from each pig, but his ''[[SneezeOfDoom sneezes]]'' had the unfortunate accidental result of demolishing their houses and causing their untimely deaths. No one's going to leave a perfectly good dead pig just lying around. So he ate them. As for the third pig, he insulted Al's granny, resulting in Al [[BerserkButton trying to break down the door]] by the time the cops came by...
** A single-panel cartoon had the wolf and the pigs sharing beer and sandwiches while they laughingly reminisce about "how I blew down your houses for the insurance."
** The ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Guardian]]'' advertisements about getting the story ''behind'' the story also has it as an insurance scam, but with the wolf as an innocent patsy. "I know that wolf! He's got asthma!"
* One big plot hole in ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is "why can't the Fellowship ride the Eagles to Mordor and dispose of the Ring lickety-split?", with the official answer being "Sauron has such dominion over Mordor that he controls even the air currents". This is not widely accepted. ''VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfMordor'' introduces a creature called a "hell-hawk", a smaller cousin to the Nazgûl's flying steeds which attack eagles on sight, in much the same way crows instinctively hate owls.
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26th Oct '16 4:05:04 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' works with the idea that the [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} famous poem]] was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.

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* ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' works with the idea that the [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} famous poem]] was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.



* Creator/NeilGaiman has done this, most notably with ''Snow, Glass and Apples'' ("Literature/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs" from the stepmother's point of view) and the film adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}''.

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* Creator/NeilGaiman has done this, most notably with ''Snow, Glass and Apples'' ("Literature/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs" from the stepmother's point of view) and the film adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}''.''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf|2007}}''.
19th Oct '16 9:18:04 PM lalalei2001
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* Kim Newman (again!) wrote a short story called ''Further Developments In The Strange Case Of Dr Jekyll And Mr Hyde'', in which Hyde is Jekyll's secret lover. Notable in that it uses lengthy quotations from the original work to back up its assertions.

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* Kim Newman (again!) wrote a short story called ''Further Developments In The Strange Case Of Dr Jekyll And Mr Hyde'', in which Hyde is Jekyll's secret lover. Notable in that it uses lengthy quotations from the original work to back up its assertions.
5th Sep '16 11:42:48 AM erforce
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* ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' works with the idea that the famous poem was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.

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* ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' works with the idea that the [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} famous poem poem]] was embellished over the centuries, even outright using UnreliableNarrator for scenes where Beowulf is by himself. That being said, Beowulf is still pretty much a {{Badass}}, leading to the film coming off as an IndecisiveDeconstruction.



* ''Grendel'', by John Gardner, is written entirely from the perspective of the oldest villain in English literature. Beowulf scarcely merits mention. The most interesting passages of the novel concern Grendel's relationships with Hrothgar and the Dragon, who serves as the Obi-Wan to Grendel's Luke.

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* ''Grendel'', by John Gardner, is written entirely from the perspective of the oldest villain in English literature. Beowulf Literature/{{Beowulf}} scarcely merits mention. The most interesting passages of the novel concern Grendel's relationships with Hrothgar and the Dragon, who serves as the Obi-Wan to Grendel's Luke.



* Creator/NeilGaiman has done this, most notably with ''Snow, Glass and Apples'' ("Literature/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs" from the stepmother's point of view) and the film adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf}}''.

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* Creator/NeilGaiman has done this, most notably with ''Snow, Glass and Apples'' ("Literature/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs" from the stepmother's point of view) and the film adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf}}''.''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}''.
16th Jul '16 5:50:22 AM DaibhidC
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbStarWars'' is an authorized parody of ''Film/ANewHope'' in which characters resembling those from ''Phineas and Ferb'' are involved significantly in the film's plot.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbStarWars'' is an authorized parody of ''Film/ANewHope'' in which characters resembling those from ''Phineas and Ferb'' are involved significantly in the film's plot. plot (although never at a point where you'd actually see them in the film if they were there).
3rd Jul '16 1:31:42 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Grendel'', by John Gardner, is written entirely from the perspective of the oldest villain in English literature. Beowulf scarcely merits mention. The most interesting passages of the novel concern Grendel's relationships with Hrothgar and the Dragon, who serves as TheObiWan to Grendel's Luke.

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* ''Grendel'', by John Gardner, is written entirely from the perspective of the oldest villain in English literature. Beowulf scarcely merits mention. The most interesting passages of the novel concern Grendel's relationships with Hrothgar and the Dragon, who serves as TheObiWan the Obi-Wan to Grendel's Luke.
3rd Apr '16 3:42:56 AM dvorak
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* One big plot hole in ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is "why can't the Fellowship ride the Eagles to Mordor and dispose of the Ring lickety-split?", with the official answer being "Sauron has such dominion over Mordor that he controls even the air currents". This is not widely accepted. ''VideoGame/ShadowsOfMordor'' introduces a creature called a "hell-hawk", a smaller cousin to the Nazgûl's flying steeds which attack eagles on sight, in much the same way crows instinctively hate owls.

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* One big plot hole in ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is "why can't the Fellowship ride the Eagles to Mordor and dispose of the Ring lickety-split?", with the official answer being "Sauron has such dominion over Mordor that he controls even the air currents". This is not widely accepted. ''VideoGame/ShadowsOfMordor'' ''VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfMordor'' introduces a creature called a "hell-hawk", a smaller cousin to the Nazgûl's flying steeds which attack eagles on sight, in much the same way crows instinctively hate owls.
3rd Apr '16 3:40:20 AM dvorak
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* One big plot hole in ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' is "why can't the Fellowship ride the Eagles to Mordor and dispose of the Ring lickety-split?", with the official answer being "Sauron has such dominion over Mordor that he controls even the air currents". This is not widely accepted. ''VideoGame/ShadowsOfMordor'' introduces a creature called a "hell-hawk", a smaller cousin to the Nazgûl's flying steeds which attack eagles on sight, in much the same way crows instinctively hate owls.
8th Mar '16 4:03:19 PM Jake
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* ''Fanfic/TheNextFrontier'' takes this approach when reconciling ''VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram'''s literal SpaceCompression and other AcceptableBreaksFromReality with the author's desire to write hard science fiction, treating the Kerbol system seen in-game as a fictionalised version of the "real" Kerbin, Mun etc. This gets quite meta with the inclusion of a reference to a videogame called "Buzz Kerman's Race Into Space", which is basically an in-universe equivalent of ''Kerbal Space Program'' itself, and Jebediah Kerman is an avid player!
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