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18th Jan '17 6:06:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* The CthulhuMythos is full of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s lurking in other dimensions, many of whom could destroy the world (or the entire physical universe) if they felt like it. So if some insane cultists ever succeed in waking one of them up, it's all over red rover.

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* The CthulhuMythos Franchise/CthulhuMythos is full of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s lurking in other dimensions, many of whom could destroy the world (or the entire physical universe) if they felt like it. So if some insane cultists ever succeed in waking one of them up, it's all over red rover.



* In the ''HarryPotter'' series, Voldemort's goals are to return to full power, take over the wizarding world, and kill off or otherwise dispose of all Muggleborns and other "Undesirables". By the end of the series, [[spoiler:he actually accomplished the first two, and was well on his way to reaching the third before Harry stopped him.]]

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* In the ''HarryPotter'' ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series, Voldemort's goals are to return to full power, take over the wizarding world, and kill off or otherwise dispose of all Muggleborns and other "Undesirables". By the end of the series, [[spoiler:he actually accomplished the first two, and was well on his way to reaching the third before Harry stopped him.]]
14th Jan '17 9:06:04 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* Averted in ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', because Ganondorf is much better at conquering things than he is at holding on to his conquests. He's won three times and been overthrown each time, despite having the deck stacked massively in his favor (being literally an immortal wizard, being highly intelligent and probably quite well-educated, having the power of one of the gods of the setting and its Devil-counterpart as well):
** ''Ocarina of Time'': he conquered Hyrule, dealt wholesale strategic destruction to its various populations (apart from his homeland, the Gerudos), and retired into his castle, not bothering to do anything about the embittered remnants of the world's population. Link got the assistance of these scattered remnants, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
** ''The Wind Waker'': centuries after being sealed in the Golden Land, he returned [[FullBoarAction in boar-demon form]] and swept away all opposition, then drowned Hyrule under a new ocean for good measure. He then shut himself up in an undersea fortress, sending the occasional agent up to the surviving islands to disrupt possible opposition to his reign -- but in a lackadasical manner. Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
** ''The Legend of Zelda'': Link arrived in a burned-out wilderness, a Hyrule utterly devastated by Ganon (the usual name for Ganondorf in boar-demon form) and his minions: a miscellaneous army of ogres, adventurers, summoned monsters, tame dragons, wild centaurs, unquiet spirits, {{GiantEnemyCrab}}s, and animated suits of armor. But there were still a few survivors, hiding out in caves and mountain glens; Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganon in his mountain (which had been hollowed out and surfaced internally to where it distinctly resembled a castle), and defeated him.
*** Ganondorf has been repeatedly shown to be intelligent, patient, and a very capable plotter. ''He cannot possibly not know what he's doing wrong.'' But he loves destruction -- or hates Hyrule -- too much to spare the civilians when he wins, and he doesn't have the stomach to murder gallant adventurers in their sleep (or when they're just getting started) or follow up his attacks with cold-blooded slaughter in the countryside.

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* Averted in ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', because Ganondorf is much better at conquering things than he is at holding on to his conquests. He's won three times and been overthrown each time, despite having the deck stacked massively in his favor (being literally an immortal wizard, being highly intelligent and probably quite well-educated, and having the power of one of the gods of the setting and its Devil-counterpart as well):
** ''Ocarina ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time'': he Time]]'': He conquered Hyrule, dealt wholesale strategic destruction to its various populations (apart from his homeland, the Gerudos), and retired into his castle, not bothering leaving his minions to do anything about deal with the embittered remnants of the world's population. Link got the assistance of these scattered remnants, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
him. Even in the timeline where Link ''doesn't'' defeat him, said remnants eventually defeat Ganondorf on their own anyways.
** ''The ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker'': centuries Waker]]'': Centuries after being sealed in the Golden Land, he returned [[FullBoarAction in boar-demon form]] and swept away all opposition, then drowned forcing the goddesses to drown Hyrule under a new ocean for good measure. He then shut himself up in an undersea fortress, sending the occasional agent up order to the surviving islands to disrupt possible opposition to stop him. Ganondorf eventually broke out of his reign -- underwater prison and began rebuilding his forces, but in a lackadasical manner. Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants descendants of the Hyrule's original population, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
him before he could reconquer Hyrule's remnants.
** ''The Legend of Zelda'': The original ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI'': Link arrived in a burned-out wilderness, a Hyrule utterly devastated by Ganon (the usual name for Ganondorf in boar-demon form) and his minions: a miscellaneous army of ogres, adventurers, summoned monsters, tame dragons, wild centaurs, unquiet spirits, {{GiantEnemyCrab}}s, and animated suits of armor. But there were still a few survivors, hiding out in caves and mountain glens; Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganon in his mountain (which had been hollowed out and surfaced internally to where it distinctly resembled a castle), and defeated him.
*** Ganondorf has been repeatedly shown to be intelligent, patient, and a very capable plotter. ''He cannot possibly not know what he's doing wrong.'' But he loves destruction -- or hates Hyrule -- too much to spare the civilians when he wins, and he doesn't have the stomach to murder gallant adventurers in their sleep (or when they're just getting started) or follow up his attacks with cold-blooded slaughter in the countryside.
him.
8th Jan '17 6:11:29 AM WWRU
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* Inverted in ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefront2015'', if you're playing Infiltration over Scarif or Battle Station on the Death Star. All it takes is one U-Wing to make it through Scarif's shielding, or one X-Wing to reach the end of the Death Star's trenches, and the rebels have won the round. The Empire has to shoot down everyone who tries.
15th Dec '16 10:25:49 AM AdamC
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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' averts the trope in the specific context of its BigBad, but follows it concerning evil in general. As Gandalf explains, if Sauron wins his victory will be so complete that none can foresee his fall while the world lasts, but if he falls, he will fall so low that none can foresee him rising ever again. However, AsLongAsThereIsEvil (which there will always be, since it was woven into the fabric of creation itself by Morgoth), "the shadow will ever take another shape and grow again."

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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' averts the trope in the specific context of its BigBad, but follows it concerning evil in general. As Gandalf explains, if Sauron wins his victory will be so complete that none can foresee his fall while the world lasts, but if he falls, he will fall so low that none can foresee him rising ever again. However, AsLongAsThereIsEvil (which there will always be, since it was woven into the fabric of creation itself by Morgoth), "the shadow will ever take another shape and grow again."" To highlight this point, Sauron is the ''second'' shadowy, all-powerful force to attempt to dominate and envelop all creation; the first being Morgoth, Sauron's former boss.
2nd Dec '16 2:11:43 AM OldBlindTrope
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** ''The Legend of Zelda'': Link arrived in a burned-out wilderness, a Hyrule utterly devastated by Ganon (the usual name for Ganondorf in boar-demon form) and his minions: a miscellaneous army of ogres, adventurers, summoned monsters, tame dragons, wild centaurs, unquiet spirits, [[GiantEnemyCrab]]s, and animated suits of armor. But there were still a few survivors, hiding out in caves and mountain glens; Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganon in his mountain (which had been hollowed out and surfaced internally to where it distinctly resembled a castle), and defeated him.

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** ''The Legend of Zelda'': Link arrived in a burned-out wilderness, a Hyrule utterly devastated by Ganon (the usual name for Ganondorf in boar-demon form) and his minions: a miscellaneous army of ogres, adventurers, summoned monsters, tame dragons, wild centaurs, unquiet spirits, [[GiantEnemyCrab]]s, {{GiantEnemyCrab}}s, and animated suits of armor. But there were still a few survivors, hiding out in caves and mountain glens; Link got the assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganon in his mountain (which had been hollowed out and surfaced internally to where it distinctly resembled a castle), and defeated him.
2nd Dec '16 2:10:46 AM OldBlindTrope
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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'': If [[BigBad Ganondorf]] obtains the full Triforce, he will TakeOverTheWorld. [[TheHero Link]] and [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Zelda]] must stop him at all cost.
** Due to the ContinuitySnarl of a forked timeline, evil ''did'' win in one case. The original game, ''Adventure of Link'', ''A Link to the Past'', ''Link's Awakening'', and the ''Oracle'' games are the resulting stories from that incident.
* [[BigBad Bowser]] in ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' fits this trope. His plans are so destructive that Mario cannot risk to lose against him.

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'': If [[BigBad Ganondorf]] obtains Averted in ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', because Ganondorf is much better at conquering things than he is at holding on to his conquests. He's won three times and been overthrown each time, despite having the full Triforce, he will TakeOverTheWorld. [[TheHero Link]] deck stacked massively in his favor (being literally an immortal wizard, being highly intelligent and [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Zelda]] must stop him at probably quite well-educated, having the power of one of the gods of the setting and its Devil-counterpart as well):
** ''Ocarina of Time'': he conquered Hyrule, dealt wholesale strategic destruction to its various populations (apart from his homeland, the Gerudos), and retired into his castle, not bothering to do anything about the embittered remnants of the world's population. Link got the assistance of these scattered remnants, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
** ''The Wind Waker'': centuries after being sealed in the Golden Land, he returned [[FullBoarAction in boar-demon form]] and swept away
all cost.
** Due
opposition, then drowned Hyrule under a new ocean for good measure. He then shut himself up in an undersea fortress, sending the occasional agent up to the ContinuitySnarl of a forked timeline, evil ''did'' win surviving islands to disrupt possible opposition to his reign -- but in one case. The original game, ''Adventure of Link'', ''A a lackadasical manner. Link to got the Past'', ''Link's Awakening'', assistance of the scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganondorf in his castle, and defeated him.
** ''The Legend of Zelda'': Link arrived in a burned-out wilderness, a Hyrule utterly devastated by Ganon (the usual name for Ganondorf in boar-demon form) and his minions: a miscellaneous army of ogres, adventurers, summoned monsters, tame dragons, wild centaurs, unquiet spirits, [[GiantEnemyCrab]]s, and animated suits of armor. But there were still a few survivors, hiding out in caves and mountain glens; Link got
the ''Oracle'' games are assistance of the resulting stories from that incident.
scattered remnants of the population, challenged Ganon in his mountain (which had been hollowed out and surfaced internally to where it distinctly resembled a castle), and defeated him.
*** Ganondorf has been repeatedly shown to be intelligent, patient, and a very capable plotter. ''He cannot possibly not know what he's doing wrong.'' But he loves destruction -- or hates Hyrule -- too much to spare the civilians when he wins, and he doesn't have the stomach to murder gallant adventurers in their sleep (or when they're just getting started) or follow up his attacks with cold-blooded slaughter in the countryside.
* [[BigBad Bowser]] in ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' fits this trope. His plans are so destructive that trope quite well; and there's an interesting difference here between Nintendo's two flagship franchises, ''Super Mario cannot Brothers'' and ''The Legend of Zelda''. Bowser has none of Ganondorf's patience or dark charisma, none of his gift for intrigue, little of his impromptu gallantry, and not a whole lot of his personal courage; but he's willing and able to install garrisons, collect taxes, spare civilian populations, and generally ''rule''. Ganondorf likes winning, Bowser likes having won; and so Bowser, although much less dangerous and infinitely less frightening, is the one who can make his conquests stick. Mario can never risk to lose defeat against him.him -- [[GoKartingWithBowser not even in a go-kart race]].



* In Samurai Shodown 2, by the time you reach Mizuki Rashojin, she's created all kinds of havoc worldwide, killed Amakusa, completely subjugated [[GreaterScopeVillain Ambrosia]] (the very being who turned her evil in the first place), and opened an extremely scary-looking gateway. Defeat her or the whole world literally goes to Hell.

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* In Samurai Shodown Showdown 2, by the time you reach Mizuki Rashojin, she's created all kinds of havoc worldwide, killed Amakusa, completely subjugated [[GreaterScopeVillain Ambrosia]] (the very being who turned her evil in the first place), and opened an extremely scary-looking gateway. Defeat her or the whole world literally goes to Hell.
23rd Nov '16 11:14:19 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** This is also central to [[TheDragon Ishamael's]][[spoiler:/Moridin's]] view of life. A former philosopher, he became GenreSavvy both to the endless repetitions of the Wheel ''and'' the fact that EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce, and decided that not only was saving existence impossible (since the Dark One has an eternity to get it right), but since the cycle only repeated variations of the same events over and over again with no hope of true change, existence wasn't ''worth'' saving.

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** This is also central to [[TheDragon Ishamael's]][[spoiler:/Moridin's]] view of life. A former philosopher, he became GenreSavvy savvy both to the endless repetitions of the Wheel ''and'' the fact that EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce, Evil Only Has To Win Once, and decided that not only was saving existence impossible (since the Dark One has an eternity to get it right), but since the cycle only repeated variations of the same events over and over again with no hope of true change, existence wasn't ''worth'' saving.



** The implication is that it cuts both ways. [[spoiler:Roland saves the Tower, but he's done so many terrible things to reach it that by the time he does, he's unworthy of it. However, through the love of his friends he's redeemed himself just enough to earn a second chance. Presumably if he ever manages to make it to the Tower without compromising his humanity in the first place, he'll be worthy enough to ascend to the top and fix Creation such that it never needs saving in the first place.]] EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce... but GOOD also only has to win, really decisively WIN, once as well.

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** The implication is that it cuts both ways. [[spoiler:Roland saves the Tower, but he's done so many terrible things to reach it that by the time he does, he's unworthy of it. However, through the love of his friends he's redeemed himself just enough to earn a second chance. Presumably if he ever manages to make it to the Tower without compromising his humanity in the first place, he'll be worthy enough to ascend to the top and fix Creation such that it never needs saving in the first place.]] EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce...Evil Only Has To Win Once... but GOOD also only has to win, really decisively WIN, once as well.
20th Nov '16 7:47:07 AM JakesBrain
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** Taken [[UpToEleven to its logical conclusion]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Given enough [[{{Determinator}} determination]] [[spoiler:and in-universe SaveScumming]], the protagonist can never truly be defeated. If you take the VillainProtagonist route, the only hope of the heroes you fight is that you get bored or frustrated and quit. [[spoiler:And if you complete this route just once, your game will be forever ruined; even doing the pacifist route afterwards still results in the Fallen Child escaping the Underground and being able to wreak havoc on humanity. You can go so far as to alter or even delete the files on your computer, which will in fact allow you to earn the Pacifist ending again, but ''even then'' the game ''still knows you did that.'' There's no escaping the consequences of allowing the Fallen Child a single victory -- after all, creating the most horrific, cruel ending scenario possible was entirely [[YouBastard your decision]].]]

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** Taken [[UpToEleven to its logical conclusion]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Given enough [[{{Determinator}} determination]] [[spoiler:and in-universe SaveScumming]], the protagonist can never truly be defeated. If you take the VillainProtagonist route, the only hope of the heroes you fight is that you get bored or frustrated and quit. [[spoiler:And if you complete this route just once, your game will be forever ruined; even doing the pacifist route afterwards still results in the Fallen Child escaping the Underground and being able to wreak havoc on humanity. You can go so far as to alter or even delete the files on your computer, which will in fact allow you to earn the Pacifist ending again, but ''even then'' the game ''still knows you did that.'' that'' and will call you out on it. There's no escaping the consequences of allowing the Fallen Child a single victory -- after all, creating the most horrific, cruel ending scenario possible was entirely [[YouBastard your decision]].]]
20th Nov '16 7:36:01 AM JakesBrain
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** Taken [[UpToEleven to its logical conclusion]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Given enough [[{{Determinator}} determination]] [[spoiler:and in-universe SaveScumming]], the protagonist can never truly be defeated. If you take the VillainProtagonist route, the only hope of the heroes you fight is that you get bored or frustrated and quit. [[spoiler:And if you complete this route just once, your game will be forever ruined; even doing the pacifist route afterwards results in the Fallen Child escaping the Underground and being able to wreak havoc on humanity. You can go so far as to alter or even delete the files on your computer, which will allow you to earn the Pacifist ending again, but the game ''still knows what you did.'' There's no escaping the consequences of allowing the Fallen Child a single victory - after all, creating the most horrific, cruel ending scenario possible was entirely your decision.]]

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** Taken [[UpToEleven to its logical conclusion]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Given enough [[{{Determinator}} determination]] [[spoiler:and in-universe SaveScumming]], the protagonist can never truly be defeated. If you take the VillainProtagonist route, the only hope of the heroes you fight is that you get bored or frustrated and quit. [[spoiler:And if you complete this route just once, your game will be forever ruined; even doing the pacifist route afterwards still results in the Fallen Child escaping the Underground and being able to wreak havoc on humanity. You can go so far as to alter or even delete the files on your computer, which will in fact allow you to earn the Pacifist ending again, but ''even then'' the game ''still knows what you did.did that.'' There's no escaping the consequences of allowing the Fallen Child a single victory - -- after all, creating the most horrific, cruel ending scenario possible was entirely [[YouBastard your decision.decision]].]]
14th Nov '16 3:12:14 AM Tron80
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* A one-shot Superman villain created by a decent soul being yanked into hell and tortured into serving a demonic master after losing to Superman and being taken back to hell when questioned about his failure explicitly states that it's but the start of things and that his success is certain because he only needs to win once while Superman must win every time.

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* A one-shot Superman Franchise/{{Superman}} villain created by a decent soul being yanked into hell and tortured into serving a demonic master after losing to Superman and being taken back to hell when questioned about his failure explicitly states that it's but the start of things and that his success is certain because he only needs to win once while Superman must win every time.
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