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19th May '18 3:37:55 PM Tropetastic1995
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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' was considered a solid action movie by most critics and audiences, but it had the second-lowest box-office returns of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse's first wave of movies (only ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' did worse), and it was written off by many fans as nothing more than a simple prologue to ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Avengers]]''. To many people's pleasant surprise, ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' turned out to be one of Marvel Studios' most critically acclaimed films to date, garnering the strongest reviews for the series since ''The Avengers'', and the fandom considers it one of the contenders for the best film in the franchise. It's also another one of the GenreShift examples, as ''First Avenger'' was a WWII adventure while ''Winter Soldier'' was a ConspiracyThriller.
* ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' are considered the weaker points of Phase 1 and 2, respectively for dull characters and the wasted potential of centering the climaxes on Earth instead of Asgard. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', on the other hand, is considered a high point of Phase 3 for a vibrant and unique cast, as well as centering the conflict around Asgard instead of Midgard. It's also the first "solo" film to feature the Hulk in a lead role since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', and is much more popular than that as well.

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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' was considered a solid action movie by most critics and audiences, applauded for is' fun characters and proper character development, but it had the second-lowest box-office returns of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse's first wave of movies (only ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'' did worse), and it was written off by many numerous fans as nothing more than a simple prologue to ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Avengers]]''. To many people's pleasant surprise, ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' turned out to be one of Marvel Studios' most critically acclaimed films to date, garnering the strongest reviews for the series since ''The Avengers'', and the fandom considers it one of the contenders for the best film in the franchise. It's also another one of the GenreShift examples, as ''First Avenger'' was a WWII adventure while ''Winter Soldier'' was a ConspiracyThriller.
* ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', while by all means [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable, fun films]] are considered the weaker points of Phase 1 and 2, respectively for having a fairly dull characters secondary cast and the wasted potential of centering the climaxes on Earth instead of Asgard. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', on the other hand, is considered a high point of Phase 3 for a vibrant and unique cast, as well as centering the conflict around Asgard instead of Midgard. It's also the first "solo" film to feature the Hulk in a lead role since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', and is much more popular than that as well.
7th May '18 2:03:25 PM rdjr
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* Some feel that ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' managed to top ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' due to having [[FanFavorite]] Dory as the main character.

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* Some feel that ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' managed to top ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' due to having [[FanFavorite]] Dory as the main character.
23rd Apr '18 7:30:17 AM smasll_lordvoice
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* Downplayed example: Although it got mixed reviews and bombed at the box office at the time of its release, ''Film/BladeRunner'' is [[VindicatedByHistory now widely considered]] such a cinematic classic that no follow-up could [[ToughActToFollow ever live up]] to its greatness. The announcement of a sequel was met with disbelief and incredulity, but the naysayers were proved wrong when ''Film/BladeRunner2049'' received overwhelmingly positive reviews from critics, who found it ''at least'' as good as the original if not superior, despite the astronomical expectations. There's a small but devoted crowd that considers it better than the original thanks to its expanded world-building, deep and emotionally moving story and better writing of its [[ActionGirl female characters]].

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* Downplayed example: Although it got mixed reviews and bombed at the box office at the time of its release, ''Film/BladeRunner'' is [[VindicatedByHistory now widely considered]] such a cinematic classic that no follow-up could [[ToughActToFollow ever live up]] to its greatness. The announcement of a sequel was met with disbelief and incredulity, but the naysayers were proved wrong when ''Film/BladeRunner2049'' received overwhelmingly positive reviews from critics, who found it ''at least'' as good as the original if not superior, despite the astronomical expectations. It quickly earned a spot on many lists of the best movie sequels of all time, and picked up two Academy Awards to boot. There's a small but devoted crowd that considers it better than the original thanks to its expanded world-building, deep and emotionally moving story and better writing of its [[ActionGirl female characters]].
22nd Apr '18 10:27:01 AM josh6243
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* The overall East Asian demographic (including domestic Japan) agree that, of the ''Anime/MashinHeroWataruSeries'', Wataru 2 holds the best visuals, character/mechanical designs and story execution fit for its world setting. To sum it up, while the first installment was fun, Wataru 2 was fabulously fun.
15th Apr '18 4:50:15 AM Q4
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* Although Music/PenguinCafeOrchestra's debut ''Music From The Penguin Cafe'' was acclaimed at the time, its reputation was far eclipsed by the [[SelfTitledAlbum self-titled follow-up]], which is more representative of what would become their SignatureStyle. The first album is still well-regarded, but often seen as EarlyInstallmentWeirdness in comparison.
8th Apr '18 8:57:21 PM nombretomado
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* ''Mad Max''
** ''Film/MadMax'' and ''Film/MadMax2TheRoadWarrior''. The first was impressive for a low-budget action film to come out of Australia, though by today's standards is rather slow-paced and tedious (despite some excellent auto-stunts). The second film practically popularized the ScavengerWorld and TheApunkalypse in film, filled with balls to the wall action and was the best remembered film in the series for the next 30+ years, at least until...

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* ''Mad Max''
''Film/MadMax''
** ''Film/MadMax'' ''Film/MadMax1'' and ''Film/MadMax2TheRoadWarrior''. The first was impressive for a low-budget action film to come out of Australia, though by today's standards is rather slow-paced and tedious (despite some excellent auto-stunts). The second film practically popularized the ScavengerWorld and TheApunkalypse in film, filled with balls to the wall action and was the best remembered film in the series for the next 30+ years, at least until...
22nd Mar '18 6:49:21 PM bt8257
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** While the first ''{{WesternAnimation/Shrek}}'' movie is still regarded as a classic animated comedy, ''Shrek 2'' is the most popular of all four movies. It had a bigger plot, several new characters (including [[EnsembleDarkhorse Puss in Boots]]) and was a bigger smash hit during the time it ran in theaters than its predecessor.

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** While the first ''{{WesternAnimation/Shrek}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' movie is still regarded as a classic animated comedy, ''Shrek 2'' is the most popular of all four movies. It had a bigger plot, several new characters (including [[EnsembleDarkhorse Puss in Boots]]) and was a bigger smash hit during the time it ran in theaters than its predecessor.



* ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' are considered the weaker points of Phase 1 and 2, respectively for dull characters and the wasted potential of centering the climaxes on Earth instead of Asgard. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', on the other hand, is considered a high point of Phase 3 for a vibrant and unique cast, as well as centering the conflict around Asgard instead of Midgard. It's also the first "solo" film to feature the Hulk in a lead role since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', and is much more popular than that as well.



* ''Film/GIJoeRetaliation'' is seen as this to people who enjoyed ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra''. Others consider it to be a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel.



* For the third ''Film/HarryPotter'' film, ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban The Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', Chris Columbus left the series and auteur Alfonso Cuarón stepped in. The end result is a film that many critics consider far more mature and stylized than the [[TheFilmOfTheBook by-the-book]] adaptation approach of the first two films.

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* For the third ''Film/HarryPotter'' film, ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban The Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', Chris Columbus left the series and auteur Alfonso Cuarón stepped in. The end result is a film that many critics consider far more mature and stylized than the [[TheFilmOfTheBook [[TheFilmoftheBook by-the-book]] adaptation approach of the first two films.



* ''Franchise/StarWars''



** Although it is a ContestedSequel, fans of ''Film/TheLastJedi'' praise it for fixing the problems of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' essentially being a retread of ''A New Hope'' with a new cast (Finn as Luke, Poe as Han, Rey as Leia (although Rey and Finn could easily be swapped due to the latter's force sensitivity), Han as Obi-Wan, Leia as the leaders of the Rebellion, and Luke as Yoda). However, the film's critics thought it went too far in the other direction.



* Music/{{Hawkwind}} came first. Then, one of them (Lemmy) was fired, and Music/{{Motorhead}} was born. Also, Music/{{Motorhead}}'s first album, the self-titled one, well, let's say that is less remembered than the other three which came after them: ''Overkill'', ''Bomber'' and the classic ''Music/AceOfSpades''.

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* Music/{{Hawkwind}} came first. Then, one of them (Lemmy) was fired, and Music/{{Motorhead}} was born. Also, Music/{{Motorhead}}'s first album, the self-titled one, well, let's say that debut album is less remembered than the other three which came after them: ''Overkill'', ''Bomber'' and the classic ''Music/AceOfSpades''.



* Music/{{Helloween}} did well with their self-titled EP and ''Walls of Jericho'' with Kai Hansen on vocals and guitars. Then, he gets tired of singing and playing the guitars at the same time. Then, they hire Michael Kiske. Then, they record the first ''Keeper of the Seven Keys''. Then came its sequel, ''Keeper of the Seven Keys 2'', considered the PowerMetal masterpiece.
* Music/DreamTheater's first album was recorded with Charlie Dominici on vocals. Then, after he was fired, the band hires James [=LaBrie=]. Then, they record ''Music/ImagesAndWords'', which is considered even today a masterpiece of ProgressiveMetal. It also contains [[OneHitWonder their first]] (and ATM only) number 1 hit. After that, the band kept on the road and released many great albums as well. And one of DT's songs was called "Metropolis—Part I: "The Miracle and the Sleeper"". After firing Derek Sherinian, the band went to record their second masterpiece, a ConceptAlbum called ''Music/MetropolisPt2ScenesFromAMemory'', one of the best {{concept album}}s of the genre.

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* Music/{{Helloween}} did well with their self-titled EP and ''Walls of Jericho'' with Kai Hansen on vocals and guitars. Then, he gets tired of singing and playing the guitars at the same time. Then, Then they hire Michael Kiske. Then, Then they record the first ''Keeper of the Seven Keys''. Then came its sequel, ''Keeper of the Seven Keys 2'', considered the PowerMetal masterpiece.
* Music/DreamTheater's first album was recorded with Charlie Dominici on vocals. Then, Then after he was fired, the band hires James [=LaBrie=]. Then, they record ''Music/ImagesAndWords'', which is considered even today a masterpiece of ProgressiveMetal. It also contains [[OneHitWonder their first]] (and ATM only) number 1 hit. After that, the band kept on the road and released many great albums as well. And one of DT's songs was called "Metropolis—Part I: "The Miracle and the Sleeper"". After firing Derek Sherinian, the band went to record their second masterpiece, a ConceptAlbum called ''Music/MetropolisPt2ScenesFromAMemory'', one of the best {{concept album}}s of the genre.



* Music/MikeOldfield: Although they have never attained universal acclaim (as with all of Mike Oldfield's post ''Music/TubularBells'' albums sadly), there is more than a few Mike Oldfield fans that consider ''Tubular Bells 2'' and/or even ''Tubular Bells 3'' (and/or even other Oldfield albums) lovingly and immensely better than the original ''Music/TubularBells'', which still is a universally loved classic itself.

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* Music/MikeOldfield: Although they have never attained universal acclaim (as with all of Mike Oldfield's post ''Music/TubularBells'' albums sadly), there is more than a few Mike Oldfield fans that consider ''Tubular Bells 2'' II'' and/or even ''Tubular Bells 3'' III'' (and/or even other Oldfield albums) lovingly and immensely better than the original ''Music/TubularBells'', which still is a universally loved classic itself.



* Music/{{Pantera}}'s breakout album was ''Cowboys from Hell'', where they defined their brand of groove/thrash metal (possibly after catching from hints from the likes of Dave Mustaine, if you can believe him), and is by far one of the most popular albums in Pantera's repertoire. It's not the second, the third, or even the fourth album they put out. Yep, ''Cowboys'' is their ''fifth'' album. You wouldn't believe the same band that did ''Power Metal'' in 1988 (they were young) also did ''Cowboys From Hell'' and, later on, ''Far Beyond Driven''.

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* Music/{{Pantera}}'s breakout album was ''Cowboys from Hell'', where they defined their brand of groove/thrash metal (possibly after catching from hints from the likes of Dave Mustaine, if you can believe him), and is by far one of the most popular albums in Pantera's repertoire. It's not the second, the third, or even the fourth album they put out. Yep, ''Cowboys'' is their ''fifth'' album. You wouldn't believe the same band that did ''Power Metal'' in 1988 (they were young) also did ''Cowboys From from Hell'' and, later on, ''Far Beyond Driven''.



* Music/GreenDay did this twice - their debut, ''1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours'' (a compilation of their early EPs), is seen as fairly average in comparison to their later, more poppy songs. Their second album, ''Kerplunk,'' was their first record with EnsembleDarkhorse Tre Cool, featuring additional focus on PopPunk, and it's still a fan favorite to this day. And then they did it again with ''Dookie,'' which you might have heard of - it's sold over 20 million copies, made the band household names, and put PopPunk into the mainstream for good.

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* Music/GreenDay did this twice - their debut, ''1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours'' (a compilation of ''39/Smooth'', their early EPs), ''actual'' debut, ''Slappy'' and ''1,000 Hours'', their first two [=EPs=], and the song "I Want to Be Alone"), is seen as fairly average in comparison to their later, more poppy songs. Their second album, ''Kerplunk,'' ''Kerplunk'', was their first record with EnsembleDarkhorse Tre Cool, featuring additional focus on PopPunk, and it's still a fan favorite to this day. And then they did it again with ''Dookie,'' ''Music/{{Dookie}}'', which you might have heard of - it's sold over 20 million copies, made the band household names, and put PopPunk into the mainstream for good.
22nd Mar '18 6:44:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' are considered the weaker points of Phase 1 and 2, respectively for dull characters and the wasted potential of centering the climaxes on Earth instead of Asgard. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', on the other hand, is considered a high point of Phase 3 for a vibrant and unique cast, as well as centering the conflict around Asgard instead of Midgard. It's also the first "solo" film to feature the Hulk in a lead role since ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', and is much more popular than that as well.



* ''Film/GIJoeRetaliation'' is seen as this to people who enjoyed ''Film/GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra''. Others consider it to be a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel.



* For the third ''Film/HarryPotter'' film, ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban The Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', Chris Columbus left the series and auteur Alfonso Cuarón stepped in. The end result is a film that many critics consider far more mature and stylized than the [[TheFilmoftheBook by-the-book]] adaptation approach of the first two films.

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* For the third ''Film/HarryPotter'' film, ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban The Prisoner of Azkaban]]'', Chris Columbus left the series and auteur Alfonso Cuarón stepped in. The end result is a film that many critics consider far more mature and stylized than the [[TheFilmoftheBook [[TheFilmOfTheBook by-the-book]] adaptation approach of the first two films.



* ''Franchise/StarWars''



** Although it is a ContestedSequel, fans of ''Film/TheLastJedi'' praise it for fixing the problems of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' essentially being a retread of ''A New Hope'' with a new cast (Finn as Luke, Poe as Han, Rey as Leia (although Rey and Finn could easily be swapped due to the latter's force sensitivity), Han as Obi-Wan, Leia as the leaders of the Rebellion, and Luke as Yoda). However, the film's critics thought it went too far in the other direction.
22nd Mar '18 6:19:27 PM bt8257
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It's possible that in the musical world, even better sequel is the rule rather the exception, considering that an artist's first album (though still good) may have been recorded when they were still trying to figure out their style. Also common in video games, where the sequel is often built on the technological and fictional foundation of the first, significantly reducing the time needed to come up with or adapt new technology or build the game's world, and allowing the developers to focus on enhancing the things that worked and prune the things that didn't. Sequels in any medium may also benefit from the higher budget and greater creative freedom that are afforded to a proven franchise, provided the beancounters have the good sense to refrain from [[ExecutiveMeddling executive meddling]]. This also applies to literature, where an author's work is generally regarded to improve after their first published efforts. In fact, the prejudice against sequels typically applies only to film, whether or not such an attitude is justified.

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It's possible that in the musical world, even better sequel is the rule rather the exception, considering that an artist's first album (though still good) may have been recorded when they were still trying to figure out their style. Also common in video games, where the sequel is often built on the technological and fictional foundation of the first, significantly reducing the time needed to come up with or adapt new technology or build the game's world, and allowing the developers to focus on enhancing the things that worked work and prune the things that didn't. don't. Sequels in any medium may also benefit from the higher budget and greater creative freedom that are afforded to a proven franchise, provided the beancounters have the good sense to refrain from [[ExecutiveMeddling executive meddling]].{{executive meddling}}. This also applies to literature, where an author's work is generally regarded to improve after their first published efforts. In fact, the prejudice against sequels typically applies only to film, whether or not such an attitude is justified.
22nd Mar '18 6:01:31 PM bt8257
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%%* ''Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' to ''Red Dragon''.
%%* Every book in the ''Literature/{{Shannara}}'' series after the first.

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%%* ''Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' to ''Red Dragon''.
%%* Every book in the ''Literature/{{Shannara}}'' series after the first.



* Music/MindlessSelfIndulgence's first album, ''Tight'', is usually considered an excellent album by fans. Most, though, consider their second album, ''Frankenstein Girls May Seem Strangely Sexy'', to be their best release.
* Music/ATribeCalledQuest's ''Peoples Instinctive Travels'' was critically acclaimed, but it was also criticized for a lack of focus and being repetitive. They followed it up with ''Music/TheLowEndTheory'', which is considered to be one of the best hip-hop albums ever. And then they followed that up with ''Midnight Marauders'', which, depending on who you ask, is a second Even Better Sequel (and a lot of people who don't think it's better still think it's a damn good album).

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* Music/MindlessSelfIndulgence's first album, ''Tight'', is usually considered an excellent album by fans. Most, though, Most consider their second album, ''Frankenstein Girls May Seem Strangely Sexy'', to be their best release.
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* Music/ATribeCalledQuest's ''Peoples Instinctive Travels'' was critically acclaimed, but it was also criticized for a lack of focus and being repetitive. They followed it up with ''Music/TheLowEndTheory'', which is considered to be one of the best hip-hop albums ever. And then Then they followed that up with ''Midnight Marauders'', which, depending on who you ask, is a second Even Better Sequel (and a lot of people who don't think it's better still think it's a damn good album).



* When you hear the name Music/{{Slayer}}, what do you think of? More than likely, ''Music/ReignInBlood'' comes to mind. This is yet another metal example. ''Music/ReignInBlood'' was their third album. While Metallica and Megadeth were experimenting on their own, Slayer nailed their defining sound in one go (according to Kerry King), and it's widely regarded as the one of the best of the Big Four of thrash metal. It helps that they had legendary producer Rick Rubin working with them on it.

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* When you hear the name Music/{{Slayer}}, what do you think of? More than likely, ''Music/ReignInBlood'' comes to mind. This is yet another metal example. ''Music/ReignInBlood'' was their third ''third'' album. While Metallica and Megadeth were experimenting on their own, Slayer nailed their defining sound in one go (according to Kerry King), and it's widely regarded as the one of the best of the Big Four of thrash metal. It helps that they had legendary producer Rick Rubin working with them on it.
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