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1st Feb '16 9:01:17 PM BruceKent
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* Franchise/{{Batman}} can win against many oponnents, including against ''Superman himself,'' on account of him being so CrazyPrepared. Provided he knows who he's up against and he has a little time, he can work out a way to beat his opponent. No exceptions.
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* Franchise/{{Batman}} can win against many oponnents, opponents, including against ''Superman himself,'' on account of him being so CrazyPrepared. Provided he knows who he's up against and he has a little time, he can work out a way to beat his opponent. No exceptions.
1st Feb '16 9:00:48 PM BruceKent
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* Franchise/{{Batman}} is widely accepted to be the clear victor in all fights, including against ''Superman himself,'' on account of him being so CrazyPrepared. Provided he knows who he's up against and he has a little time, he can work out a way to beat his opponent. No exceptions.
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* Franchise/{{Batman}} is widely accepted to be the clear victor in all fights, can win against many oponnents, including against ''Superman himself,'' on account of him being so CrazyPrepared. Provided he knows who he's up against and he has a little time, he can work out a way to beat his opponent. No exceptions.
29th Jan '16 11:33:04 PM Gamermaster
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** In a straighter example, a [[ComicBookAdaptation supplementary manga chapter of the third season]] had Signum mentioning a combat tactics exhibition she had with Nanoha which quickly escalated into a bloody brawl. She mentions that the fight ended without a conclusion. This same chapter also involved everyone being compared, trying to determine who was the strongest. No actual fights occurred, thanks to Nanoha redirecting their curiosity with a LogicBomb.
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** In a straighter example, a [[ComicBookAdaptation supplementary manga chapter of the third season]] of]] ''[[Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers StrikerS]]'' had Signum mentioning a combat tactics exhibition she had with Nanoha which quickly escalated into a bloody brawl. She mentions that the fight ended without a conclusion. This same chapter also involved everyone being compared, trying to determine who was the strongest. No actual fights occurred, thanks to Nanoha redirecting their curiosity with a LogicBomb.
29th Jan '16 11:31:20 PM Gamermaster
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* Subverted in the second season of ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''. Fate and Signum's battles were always interrupted with neither one getting an upper-hand, and on the last episode, the two promised one another to have a rematch sometime in the future to finally decide the better fighter. Thus, the season ends with the question of who's stronger left unanswered, right? Well, while that was the last ''anime'' episode of the season, there was still one [[AllThereInTheManual Sound Stage episode left]], and it revealed that those two had more than one rematch, with Signum kicking Fate's ass in the vast majority of them.
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* Subverted in the second season of ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''.''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs''. Fate and Signum's battles were always interrupted with neither one getting an upper-hand, and on the last episode, the two promised one another to have a rematch sometime in the future to finally decide the better fighter. Thus, the season ends with the question of who's stronger left unanswered, right? Well, while that was the last ''anime'' episode of the season, there was still one [[AllThereInTheManual Sound Stage episode left]], and it revealed that those two had more than one rematch, with Signum kicking Fate's ass in the vast majority of them.
2nd Jan '16 1:47:18 PM nombretomado
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** Also averted in the [[SonicTheComic Fleetway comics]], where Sonic wins after a long and difficult fight.
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** Also averted in the [[SonicTheComic [[ComicBook/SonicTheComic Fleetway comics]], where Sonic wins after a long and difficult fight.
20th Dec '15 6:12:44 PM thatother1dude
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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'' we're told that Erza can defeat Natsu easily. When they agree to a match, they're both prepared to give it their all, with the crowd gathered around excitedly. The match is then broken up by more powerful magicians to arrest Erza. When Natsu wants to have their battle afterwards, Erza says she's tired and doesn't want to fight. Natsu attacks her anyways. [[spoiler: She takes him out with a single punch.]] ** A rather funny version happens in a bonus chapter after a TournamentArc: the two guild's two teams that competed in the game figure they need a way to decide which is the strongest, seemingly setting up a fight between Erza and Laxus. Before ''the end of the page'' we find out this is "decided" based on a game of rock-paper-scissors (Erza loses).
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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'' we're ''Manga/FairyTail'' *** We're told that Erza can defeat Natsu easily. When they agree to a match, they're both prepared to give it their all, with the crowd gathered around excitedly. The match is then broken up by more powerful magicians to arrest Erza. When Natsu wants to have their battle afterwards, Erza says she's tired and doesn't want to fight. Natsu attacks her anyways. [[spoiler: She takes him out with a single punch.]] ** A rather funny version happens in a bonus chapter after a TournamentArc: the two guild's two teams that competed in the game figure they need a way to decide which is the strongest, seemingly setting up a fight between Erza and Laxus. Before ''the end of the first page'' we find out this is "decided" based on a game of rock-paper-scissors (Erza loses).
20th Dec '15 6:10:32 PM thatother1dude
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* The entire final episode of ''Anime/SCryed'' [[spoiler:is a continuation of the fight between the two main characters, Kazuma and Ryuho, which had been interrupted on several different occasions. The second-to-[[DistantFinale last]] scene of the episode (and the series) has both characters severely injured. It is never explicitly stated who won the fight, although it is popularly believed that Kazuma triumphed based on the fist made by the victor (which is the only thing we see, and in silhouette so that we can't be absolutely sure whether those are Kazuma's scars).]]
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* The entire final episode of ''Anime/SCryed'' [[spoiler:is ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' is a continuation of the fight between the two main characters, Kazuma and Ryuho, which had been interrupted on several different occasions. The second-to-[[DistantFinale last]] scene of the episode (and the series) has both characters severely injured. It is never explicitly stated who won the fight, although it is popularly believed that Kazuma [[spoiler:Kazuma triumphed based on the fist made by the victor (which is the only thing we see, and in silhouette so that we can't be absolutely sure whether those are Kazuma's scars).]]scars)]].
27th Nov '15 4:30:56 PM Ninja857142
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* This trope is averted in The Avengers sequel, ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''. Iron Man, now wearing a special suit designed to fight the Hulk, actually manages to beat him in a pretty brutal match. Meanwhile, Scarlet Witch manages to MindRape the entire team at one point or another, with the exception of Hawkeye, who was immune to her powers and had her captive. Quicksilver beat Hawkeye twice pretty easily and Hawkeye eventually had to be creative in order to get the drop on him later.
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* This trope is averted in The Avengers sequel, ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''. Iron Man, now wearing a special suit designed to fight the Hulk, actually manages to beat him in a pretty brutal match. Meanwhile, Scarlet Witch manages to MindRape the entire team at one point or another, with the exception of Hawkeye, who was immune to her powers and had her captive. Quicksilver beat beats Hawkeye twice pretty easily and with the element of surprise, but Hawkeye eventually had to be creative in order to get the drop on beats him later.using surprise in their third encounter.
20th Nov '15 6:11:14 PM X2X
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*** Batman technically won the fight in the ''DC vs. Marvel'' miniseries, but it was only because of a environmental hazard got Cap distracted (a burst water pipe in the sewer they were fighting in, if I remember correctly)
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*** Batman technically won the fight in the ''DC vs. Marvel'' miniseries, but it was only because of a environmental hazard got Cap distracted (a burst water pipe in the sewer they were fighting in, if I remember correctly)correctly).

** Averted in ''[[Videogame/Sonic3AndKnuckles Sonic and Knuckles]]'' where Sonic [[AntiClimaxBoss kicks Knuckles' ass]].
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** Averted in ''[[Videogame/Sonic3AndKnuckles ''[[VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles Sonic and & Knuckles]]'' where Sonic [[AntiClimaxBoss kicks Knuckles' ass]].

** Averted exactly one time in Archie's comic. During the Enerjak arc, [[SuperMode Super Sonic]] and a BrainwashedAndCrazy [[SuperMode Hyper Knuckles (he WAS going by Enerjak at the time, but he was effectively Hyper Knuckles)]] fight. The fight was interrupted, but it is made clear who the winner would be - Knuckles, at the time, was supercharged and would have remained Super for longer, thus winning a battle of attrition, but had Sonic stayed Super long enough (a hard prospect, considering the Master Emerald was corrupted and it was a miracle he went Super in the first place) he WOULD have eventually won. * Averted in the CrossOver between Comicbook/SavageDragon and ComicBook/{{Hellboy}} in which Dragon was clearly shown to be stronger. The issue was co-written by both character's creators.
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** Averted exactly one time in Archie's comic. During the Enerjak arc, [[SuperMode Super Sonic]] and a BrainwashedAndCrazy [[SuperMode Hyper Knuckles (he WAS going by Enerjak at the time, but he was effectively Hyper Knuckles)]] fight. The fight was interrupted, but it is made clear who the winner would be - -- Knuckles, at the time, was supercharged and would have remained Super for longer, [[VictoryByEndurance thus winning a battle of attrition, attrition]], but had Sonic stayed Super long enough (a hard prospect, considering the Master Emerald was corrupted and it was a miracle he went Super in the first place) he WOULD have eventually won. * Averted in the CrossOver C{{rossover}} between Comicbook/SavageDragon and ComicBook/{{Hellboy}} in which Dragon was clearly shown to be stronger. The issue was co-written by both character's creators.

** This trope was averted in the ComicBook/XForce/ComicBook/XFactor fight during the ''Executioner's Song'' CrossOver. X-Factor defeated and captured the X-Force, bringing them in for questioning on the wherebouts of ComicBook/{{Cable}}. * This trope is often averted when ThePunisher fights other heroes, perhaps due to his AntiHero status. Spider-Man, Daredevil, and CaptainAmerica have all had clear victories over Frank Castle. * In UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, virtually every race between ComicBook/{{Superman}} and [[ComicBook/TheFlash the Flash]] ended ambiguously as a draw for one reason or another. In their first race, the two deliberately tie in order o frustrate a gambling syndicate; in their second, none of the spectators can agree on the winner because it looked like a different outcome from different angles. However, the ComicBook/PostCrisis comics quickly averted the trope by having Wally West's Flash outrun Superman, a result that has stayed consistent in every race since regardless of [[LegacyCharacter which Flash]] is involved and where the characters are otherwise in terms of PowerCreepPowerSeep.
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** This trope was averted in the ComicBook/XForce/ComicBook/XFactor fight during the ''Executioner's Song'' CrossOver.{{Crossover}}. X-Factor defeated and captured the X-Force, bringing them in for questioning on the wherebouts of ComicBook/{{Cable}}. * This trope is often averted when ThePunisher ComicBook/ThePunisher fights other heroes, perhaps due to his AntiHero status. Spider-Man, Daredevil, and CaptainAmerica have all had clear victories over Frank Castle. * In UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, virtually every race between ComicBook/{{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} and [[ComicBook/TheFlash the Flash]] ended ambiguously as a draw for one reason or another. In their first race, the two deliberately tie in order o to frustrate a gambling syndicate; in their second, none of the spectators can agree on the winner because it looked like a different outcome from different angles. However, the ComicBook/PostCrisis comics quickly averted the trope by having Wally West's Flash outrun Superman, a result that has stayed consistent in every race since regardless of [[LegacyCharacter which Flash]] is involved and where the characters are otherwise in terms of PowerCreepPowerSeep.

** Subverted in ''Film/HeiseiRiderVsShowaRiderKamenRiderWarsFeaturingSuperSentai'': For most of the film, the Showa Riders want to kick the Heisei Riders' asses, but that gets put by the wayside when it turns out that the hatred was mostly faked as part of a plan by [[Series/KamenRider Rider #1]] and Film/KamenRiderZX to defeat the Badan Empire. After Badan is defeated, the Showa Riders approach the Heisei Riders and say they have unfinished business...remember that '''mostly''' faked hatred? An ending was filmed for each side, but he Heisei Riders won an online poll and thus their version was screened in theaters; both it and the Showa ending can be found on the DVD and Bluray release of the film.
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** Subverted in ''Film/HeiseiRiderVsShowaRiderKamenRiderWarsFeaturingSuperSentai'': For most of the film, the Showa Riders want to kick the Heisei Riders' asses, but that gets put by the wayside when it turns out that the hatred was mostly faked as part of a plan by [[Series/KamenRider Rider #1]] and Film/KamenRiderZX to defeat the Badan Empire. After Badan is defeated, the Showa Riders approach the Heisei Riders and say they have unfinished business... remember that '''mostly''' faked hatred? An ending was filmed for each side, but he Heisei Riders won an online poll and thus their version was screened in theaters; both it and the Showa ending can be found on the DVD and Bluray release of the film.

* {{Averted}} in ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}''. Arthur can beat anyone in combat... except Lancelot. * The TV versions of Franchise/TheGreenHornet and Series/{{Batman}} once had a fight along with their respective sidekicks. Legend has it, Robin was supposed to defeat Kato while Batman and Green Hornet stalemated. Creator/BruceLee (Kato) refused to do the episode unless it was changed. The studio relented and there was no clear winner in either fight. To say that Bruce Lee refused is a bit of an understatement -- rather, he was furious that his character was to lose and loudly proclaimed on set that when the cameras rolled, he was going to give Burt Ward a genuine beat down. The producers pacified him by changing the script to have the fight end in a draw.
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* {{Averted}} {{Averted|Trope}} in ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}''. Arthur can beat anyone in combat... except Lancelot. * The TV versions of Franchise/TheGreenHornet and Series/{{Batman}} once had a fight along with their respective sidekicks. Legend has it, Robin was supposed to defeat Kato while Batman and Green Hornet stalemated. Creator/BruceLee (Kato) refused to do the episode unless it was changed. The studio relented and there was no clear winner in either fight. To say that Bruce Lee refused is a bit of an understatement -- rather, he was furious that his character was to lose and loudly proclaimed on set that when the cameras rolled, he was going to give Burt Ward a genuine beat down.beatdown. The producers pacified him by changing the script to have the fight end in a draw.

* This is a recurring theme in ''VideoGame/LufiaIIRiseOfTheSinistrals'' where protagonist and [[BecauseDestinySaysSo fated hero]] Maxim, an incredibly skilled swordsman, is constantly challenged by other famous warriors, including fellow party members Guy, Selan, and Dekar, to see if he is truly the best. Such duels either occur off-screen with no clear winner given or are never able to occur at all. (though it is usually implied that Maxim would indeed win these fights) The trope is even subtly parodied when Maxim first meets Guy and they challenge each other to a duel, and just as Guy leaps into the air to strike the first blow, monsters literally teleport into the middle of town and the two must join forces to fight them. * Happens a lot in ''StreetFighter'' between Ryu and Ken. They've had several off-screen fights to determine who's stronger, with the overall results being a tie, as near as can be determined. It's also subverted in the case of Oro and Akuma: Oro is shown to be ''much'' stronger than Akuma is.
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* This is a recurring theme in ''VideoGame/LufiaIIRiseOfTheSinistrals'' where protagonist and [[BecauseDestinySaysSo fated hero]] Maxim, an incredibly skilled swordsman, is constantly challenged by other famous warriors, including fellow party members Guy, Selan, and Dekar, to see if he is truly the best. Such duels either occur off-screen with no clear winner given or are never able to occur at all. all (though it is usually implied that Maxim would indeed win these fights) fights). The trope is even subtly parodied when Maxim first meets Guy and they challenge each other to a duel, and just as Guy leaps into the air to strike the first blow, monsters literally teleport into the middle of town and the two must join forces to fight them. * Happens a lot in ''StreetFighter'' ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' between Ryu and Ken. They've had several off-screen fights to determine who's stronger, with the overall results being a tie, as near as can be determined. It's also subverted in the case of Oro and Akuma: Oro is shown to be ''much'' stronger than Akuma is.is. ** One overarching instance with Ryu and Ken zig-zags. In ''VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha 2'', Ken's FinalBoss is Ryu himself. Ken canonically defeats Ryu, as is the case with most of the storylines in that game, but notices that Ryu wasn't giving it his all (Ryu was preoccupied with his previous encounter with Akuma from his Arcade Mode path and the revelation of [[KillingIntent the Satsui no Hadou]] inside of him), and instead bequeaths his hair tie to Ryu, which helps gets his buddy out of his funk and becomes Ryu's headband in the ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterII II]]'' series. Ken also vows to not marry his then-girlfriend Eliza until he defeats Ryu in a decisive match; while it's unknown how Ken fared in the Second World Warrior Tournament, [[VideoGame/StreetFighterIII the]] [[VideoGame/StreetFighterIV sequels]] show Ken and Eliza married with a son named Mel, so it's [[{{Fanon}} commonly assumed]] that Ken did have his rematch and win. ** This happens again in ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'', but instead between [[CainAndAbel Akuma and Gouken]]. After sealing away the Satsui no Hadou within Ryu in his ending, Gouken is attacked by Akuma for his meddling, Akuma having long since wanted Ryu to accept the dark power and give him the deathmatch he craved. Given that Gouken's Power of Nothingness allows him to NoSell the [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique Shun Goku Satsu]] and backstory materials note that Gouken had already handily beaten Akuma once before (technically twice; Gouken spared Akuma in their rematch, which allowed Akuma to [[ConvenientComa "kill"]] him with the SGS), some have taken this ending as an explanation for not only the lack of [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Evil Ryu]] in the ''III'' series, but Akuma's lack of interest in Ryu in ''2nd Impact'' and ''3rd Strike''.
14th Nov '15 2:52:06 PM Silverblade2
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->''"Hey, we never did settle who's the [[SuperSpeed Fastest Man Alive]]..."''
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->''"Hey, we never did settle who's the [[SuperSpeed Fastest Man Alive]]...Alive..."''
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