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3rd Feb '17 8:26:32 AM drillizer
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', Yugi and Kaiba's duel is inconclusive, with Yugi apparently wiping him out, Kaiba somehow hanging on, and Aigami interrupting it before it can conclude. [[spoiler:The movie also ends just before Kaiba and Atem duel.]]

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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', Yugi and Kaiba's duel is inconclusive, with actually conclusive, as, by doing the math, Yugi apparently wiping him out, does wipe out his lifepoints, and Kaiba does not activate his facedown. Kaiba however, somehow hanging on, hangs on to 100 of his lifepoints (which may be due to the fact that the power goes out as soon as his counter reaches that number), and Aigami interrupting interrupts it before it can conclude. be followed up on. [[spoiler:The movie also ends just before Kaiba and Atem duel.possibly duel in the afterlife.]]
25th Jan '17 11:52:55 AM DragonRanger
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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'':
%%** Averted when Barry finally comes face-to-face with the Man in the Yellow Suit: the latter proves himself to be ''much'' faster and better than Barry, thoroughly trouncing the Flash in both the encounters of that episode. The only reason Barry survives the second encounter is the arrival of Firestorm ([[spoiler:then again, it's doubtful that Wells actually meant to kill him]]). Barry spends the next several episodes working on building up his speed for their next encounter. Also, in later encounters, Barry manages to defeat the Reverse-Flash either with the help of allies, by being faster ([[spoiler:ironically, with Thawne's own help]]), or by gaining enough knowledge of his opponent to best him.
** Played straight in the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' crossover. When Oliver has to fight a HatePlague-influenced Barry, the latter is cured before there's a clear winner. The episode ends with them just starting a friendly rematch. A later crossover states that Barry won the rematch, but Oliver jokes that since there were [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall no witnesses to the fight]], Barry doesn't have the evidence to back that claim.
%%** Also averted with Zoom in the second season, who is even faster than the Reverse-Flash and who utterly destroys Barry during their first fight. [[spoiler:In the season finale, Barry finally manages to defeat Zoom, although, in the process, he ends up creating the Black Racer]].
** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is a {{Physical God}}dess who can NoSell the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move) and whose speed can match his, the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'':
%%** Averted when Barry finally comes face-to-face with
The ''Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}:
** In
the Man in the Yellow Suit: the latter proves himself to be ''much'' faster and better than Barry, thoroughly trouncing the Flash in both the encounters of that episode. The only reason Barry survives the second encounter is the arrival of Firestorm ([[spoiler:then again, it's doubtful that Wells actually meant to kill him]]). Barry spends the next several episodes working on building up his speed for their next encounter. Also, in later encounters, Barry manages to defeat the Reverse-Flash either with the help of allies, by being faster ([[spoiler:ironically, with Thawne's own help]]), or by gaining enough knowledge of his opponent to best him.
** Played straight in the
first major crossover between ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' crossover. When and ''Series/TheFlash2014'', Oliver has to fight a HatePlague-influenced Barry, Barry. Oliver fights merely to contain Barry and the latter is cured before there's a clear winner. The episode ends with them just starting a friendly rematch. A later crossover states that Barry won the rematch, but Oliver jokes that since there were [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall no witnesses to the fight]], Barry doesn't have the evidence to back that claim.
%%** Also averted with Zoom in the second season, who is even faster than the Reverse-Flash and who utterly destroys Barry during their first fight. [[spoiler:In the season finale, Barry finally manages to defeat Zoom, although, in the process, he ends up creating the Black Racer]].
** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is a {{Physical God}}dess who NighInvulnerable, can NoSell the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move) move), and whose speed can match his, his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.
16th Jan '17 5:11:03 PM SatoshiBakura
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** Averted in the Season 14 crossover with ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' -- which finally pits Carolina and the Meta together. They spend most of the fight more or less equally matched, but ultimately Carolina wins, due to her ability to work well with Church as her AI. The episode LampShades the BrokenBase nature of this trope by having Griff refuse to accept the result of the "simulation". (And of course, some of the commentators on the Website/YouTube video themselves are rejecting the outcome.)

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** Averted in the Season 14 crossover with ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' -- which finally pits Carolina and the Meta together. They spend most of the fight more or less equally matched, but ultimately Carolina wins, due to her ability to work well with Church as her AI. The episode LampShades the BrokenBase nature of this trope by having Griff Grif refuse to accept the result of the "simulation". (And of course, some of the commentators on the Website/YouTube video themselves are rejecting the outcome.)
12th Jan '17 8:56:38 AM case
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See also UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny.

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See also UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny.
UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny. If it's a moral argument that gets evaded rather than a physical fight, that goes under DebateAndSwitch.
10th Jan '17 4:17:01 AM AdamC
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* In UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, virtually every race between Franchise/{{Superman}} and [[ComicBook/TheFlash the Flash]] ended ambiguously as a draw for one reason or another. In their first race, the two deliberately tie in order to frustrate a gambling syndicate; in their second, none of the spectators can agree on the winner because it looked like a different outcome from different angles. However, the ComicBook/PostCrisis comics quickly averted the trope by having Wally West's Flash outrun Superman, a result that has stayed consistent in every race since regardless of [[LegacyCharacter which Flash]] is involved and where the characters are otherwise in terms of PowerCreepPowerSeep.

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* In UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, virtually every race between Franchise/{{Superman}} and [[ComicBook/TheFlash the Flash]] ended ambiguously as a draw for one reason or another. In their first race, the two deliberately tie in order to frustrate a gambling syndicate; in their second, none of the spectators can agree on the winner because it looked like a different outcome from different angles. However, the ComicBook/PostCrisis comics quickly averted the trope by having Wally West's Flash outrun Superman, a result that has stayed consistent in every race since regardless of [[LegacyCharacter which Flash]] is involved and where the characters are otherwise in terms of PowerCreepPowerSeep. The fact that the pair used to be neck-and-neck was explained by Flash with the fact that "those races were for charity."
5th Jan '17 3:36:51 PM StrixObscuro
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* In ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', as Deathstroke is tearing his way through a team assembled to help Elongated Man take down Doctor Light, he grabs ComicBook/GreenLantern's ring-bearing hand and wonders if his superior intellect could actually force the ring to work for him. The question is left unanswered after ComicBook/GreenArrow stabs him in his bad eye.
5th Jan '17 3:28:36 PM WillKeaton
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* Regardless of his speed compared to TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus]].

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* Regardless of his speed compared to TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus]].Claus.]]
5th Jan '17 3:26:27 PM WillKeaton
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** Ronon, being TheBigGuy, also gets to spar with Teal'c, TheBigGuy of ''[[Series/StargateAtlantis Atlantis']]'' sister show, ''Series/StargateSG1''. Gate fans have likely been waiting for this since the day Ronon was introduced. Neither has the upper hand when Carter breaks it up. Well, Teal'c does manage to draw first blood after an hour-long fight, but still, very even. Bonus points for being over a hundred years old by the time the fight takes place.

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** Ronon, being TheBigGuy, also gets to spar with Teal'c, TheBigGuy of ''[[Series/StargateAtlantis Atlantis']]'' sister show, ''Series/StargateSG1''. Gate fans have likely been waiting for this since the day Ronon was introduced. Neither has the upper hand when Carter breaks it up. Well, Teal'c does manage to draw first blood after an hour-long fight, but still, very even. Bonus points to Teal'c for being over a hundred years old by the time the fight takes place.
5th Jan '17 3:25:03 PM WillKeaton
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*** Then there was ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'', where the two initially begin to fight but soon stopped when they both came to the conclusion they were probably being played.[[note]]Though Batman did admit that Cap would've probably won had the fight gone on longer.[[/note]].

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*** Then there was ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'', where the two initially begin to fight but soon stopped when they both came to the conclusion they were probably being played.[[note]]Though Batman did admit that Cap would've probably won had the fight gone on longer.[[/note]].[[/note]]
29th Dec '16 11:33:08 AM nombretomado
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** In yet another ''Justice League Unlimited'' example, Superman wins via wits even though it's made fairly clear that in a straight-up fight between Superman and Captain Marvel, neither the Man of Steel nor the World's Mightiest Mortal have the upper hand. This is mostly a fan bonus legacy nod to how similar the characters were originally in the comics, though you will have nitpickers complaining the {{Diniverse}} Superman is inconsistently weaker in this adaptation. [[spoiler: It also serves as a bit of a deconstruction of the "Who would win in a fight?" concept, as it's made clear that it's ComicBook/LexLuthor who gains the most from two good guys pounding each other.]] It's also a nod to the comic ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', where Superman fights a Luthor-manipulated Captain Marvel - especially obvious with Marvel using the magic lightning against Superman, who is vulnerable against magic. Both fights pretty much ended the same way, though.

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** In yet another ''Justice League Unlimited'' example, Superman wins via wits even though it's made fairly clear that in a straight-up fight between Superman and Captain Marvel, neither the Man of Steel nor the World's Mightiest Mortal have the upper hand. This is mostly a fan bonus legacy nod to how similar the characters were originally in the comics, though you will have nitpickers complaining the {{Diniverse}} [[Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse Diniverse]] Superman is inconsistently weaker in this adaptation. [[spoiler: It also serves as a bit of a deconstruction of the "Who would win in a fight?" concept, as it's made clear that it's ComicBook/LexLuthor who gains the most from two good guys pounding each other.]] It's also a nod to the comic ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', where Superman fights a Luthor-manipulated Captain Marvel - especially obvious with Marvel using the magic lightning against Superman, who is vulnerable against magic. Both fights pretty much ended the same way, though.
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