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-->-- '''ComicBook/TheFlash''', ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Speed Demons"

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-->-- '''ComicBook/TheFlash''', '''Franchise/TheFlash''', ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Speed Demons"



In contrast, heroes of equal footing are harder to write for; it's safer to concede a tie, or set up a situation which distracts or prevents a clear-cut judgement. Often, if the contest is interrupted at the start of the episode, the show will [[LightheartedRematch set it all up again at the end]] but fade to credits before it starts up again. See LeftHanging and NoEnding. LetsYouAndHimFight is a convenient (and thus overused) set up because the heroes can simply identify the real bad guy before a winner can be decided.

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In contrast, heroes of equal footing are harder to write for; it's safer to concede a tie, or set up a situation which distracts or prevents a clear-cut judgement. Often, if the contest is interrupted at the start of the episode, the show will [[LightheartedRematch set it all up again at the end]] but [[InterruptedByTheEnd fade to credits before it starts up again.again]]. See LeftHanging and NoEnding. LetsYouAndHimFight is a convenient (and thus overused) set up because the heroes can simply identify the real bad guy before a winner can be decided.



* The entire final episode of ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' is a continuation of the fight between the two main characters, Kazuma and Ryuho, which had been interrupted on several different occasions. The second-to-[[DistantFinale last]] scene of the episode (and the series) has both characters severely injured. It is never explicitly stated who won the fight, although it is popularly believed that [[spoiler:Kazuma triumphed based on the fist made by the victor (which is the only thing we see, and in silhouette so that we can't be absolutely sure whether those are Kazuma's scars)]].

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* The entire final episode of ''Anime/{{Scryed}}'' ''[[Anime/SCryed s-CRY-ed]]'' is a continuation of the fight between the two main characters, Kazuma and Ryuho, which had been interrupted on several different occasions. The second-to-[[DistantFinale last]] scene of the episode (and the series) has both characters severely injured. It is never explicitly stated who won the fight, although it is popularly believed that [[spoiler:Kazuma triumphed based on the fist made by the victor (which is the only thing we see, and in silhouette so that we can't be absolutely sure whether those are Kazuma's scars)]].



* This happened to Jushiro Ukitake from ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' twice. One was the battle he and Shunsui Kyoraku had against Head Captain Yamamoto. Supposedly, they were two of the first to become captains and were chosen by Yamamoto himself, but we never get to see how powerful they are in comparison because the episode ends, and by the next episode [[spoiler: Aizen's treachery is revealed, and they stop fighting each other to fight the real BigBad.]] Though, the fact that they could hold their own against the man who made Nanao faint just by ''looking'' at her is saying something. The other was when his Lieutenant Kaien Shiba was possessed by a hollow, and Ukitake said he would destroy Kaien's body to destroy the hollow inside and save Kaien's soul, but he collapsed from an attack of his illness before the first blow was exchanged. [[spoiler: It's a little different though, in that Kaien ''dies'' afterward by Rukia's hand.]]

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* This happened to Jushiro Ukitake from ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' twice. One was the battle he and Shunsui Kyoraku had against Head Captain Yamamoto. Supposedly, they were two of the first to become captains and were chosen by Yamamoto himself, but we never get to see how powerful they are in comparison because the episode ends, and by the next episode [[spoiler: Aizen's treachery is revealed, and they stop fighting each other to fight the real BigBad.]] BigBad]]. Though, the fact that they could hold their own against the man who made Nanao faint just by ''looking'' at her is saying something. The other was when his Lieutenant Kaien Shiba was possessed by a hollow, and Ukitake said he would destroy Kaien's body to destroy the hollow inside and save Kaien's soul, but he collapsed from an attack of his illness before the first blow was exchanged. [[spoiler: It's a little different though, in that Kaien ''dies'' afterward by Rukia's hand.]]



** While it's not strictly canon, we do get to see Batman and Superman actually go at it in ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. The aged Batman uses x-ray activated homing missiles, a powered exoskeleton, sonic scramblers, acid-to-the-face, the tank version of the Batmobile (driven by Robin), a [[CrazyPrepared synthesized kryptonite]] arrow (fired by the one armed Green Arrow), and then is helped by the Sun (source of Superman's power) being blotted out thanks to a recent nuclear blast (that Superman was caught in and not yet recovered from). [[spoiler: In the moment of victory, Batman's heart gives out and Superman wins by default]].

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** While it's not strictly canon, we do get to see Batman and Superman actually go at it in ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''.''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''. The aged Batman uses x-ray activated homing missiles, a powered exoskeleton, sonic scramblers, acid-to-the-face, the tank version of the Batmobile (driven by Robin), a [[CrazyPrepared synthesized kryptonite]] arrow (fired by the one armed Green Arrow), and then is helped by the Sun (source of Superman's power) being blotted out thanks to a recent nuclear blast (that Superman was caught in and not yet recovered from). [[spoiler: In the moment of victory, Batman's heart gives out and Superman wins by default]].



** Despite at least 3 chances to have seen an outcome, we have yet to truly see who would win a fair fight between Batman and his closest MarvelUniverse equivalent in badass, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica[[note]]Well, technically, Batman's Marvel counterpart would be Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}, but that's not the point.[[/note]]. See:
*** Batman technically won the fight in the ''DC vs. Marvel'' miniseries, but it was only because of a environmental hazard got Cap distracted (a burst water pipe in the sewer they were fighting in, if I remember correctly).

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** Despite at least 3 chances to have seen an outcome, we have yet to truly see who would win a fair fight between Batman and his closest MarvelUniverse Franchise/MarvelUniverse equivalent in badass, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica[[note]]Well, technically, Batman's Marvel counterpart would be Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}, but that's not the point.[[/note]]. See:
*** Batman technically won the fight in the ''DC vs. Marvel'' miniseries, but it was only because of a an environmental hazard got Cap distracted (a burst water pipe in the sewer they were fighting in, if I remember correctly).in).



** A fight between Batman and a brainwashed Cassandra Cain (Batgirl) ended this way.
* This trope is how all fights between SonicTheHedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna ended in ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog''. Partially justified, because the two never had a good reason to fight each other, they both were just temperamental and would engage in blows every time they met, before being distracted by whatever it was they were doing in the first place.

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** A fight between Batman and a brainwashed [[ComicBook/Batgirl2000 Cassandra Cain (Batgirl) (Batgirl)]] ended this way.
* This trope is how all fights between SonicTheHedgehog Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna ended in ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog''. Partially justified, because the two never had a good reason to fight each other, they both were just temperamental and would engage in blows every time they met, before being distracted by whatever it was they were doing in the first place.



* There was a one-shot comic entitled ''ComicBook/SpiderMan vs. ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'' released in the eighties where the two characters fought without a clear winner (it ended in a deadlock and was broken up by bad guys). Later, a ''Comicbook/MarvelComicsPresents'' story with the same title also showed an inconclusive fight (Spider-Man attacked a person whom he thought was impersonating Wolverine and stopped after a few traded blows once Wolvie proved he was the real deal). Though, in ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' Spidey basically took on the entire X-Men and was winning before the Professor X mindwipe (though he had ConservationOfNinjitsu on his side then).
** Spidey has a similar relationship with Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} despite the two of them being close friends. They would always fight to a standstill. Often, Spider-Man would be hindered in some way (mind-controled, wounded, etc.) in order to make the fight more even since he had SuperStrength and DD didn't.
** After the return of the original Green Goblin, Norman Osborn, and the revelation of the original Hobgoblin, Roderick Kingsley, the two had a heated confrontation that dodged any answer as to who was superior in any particular way. Kingsley ends up fighting a proxy Green Goblin for much of the story; a brief altercation with Osborn is interrupted by a fire; Osborn's refusal to get his hands dirty during the story removes the possibility of a straight-up fight. The evasiveness even extends to the villains' planning skills - Kingsley ultimately gets away scot free after pulling a successful BatmanGambit on Norman, but along the way Osborn saw through all of Kingsley's deceptions and bought out Kingsley's corporate holdings. By the end, both villains win in a tangible way without settling the question of who is superior in any respect.
* This does not stop with [[SuperTeam super teams]], either. Usually, every super team goes up against another super team at least once with no clear team being the victor. However, individual members can sometimes have clear victories. More often than not, there will be an equal number of teammates on both sides once the dust settles.

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* There was a one-shot comic entitled ''ComicBook/SpiderMan vs. ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'' Franchise/{{Wolverine}}'' released in the eighties where the two characters fought without a clear winner (it ended in a deadlock and was broken up by bad guys). Later, a ''Comicbook/MarvelComicsPresents'' story with the same title also showed an inconclusive fight (Spider-Man attacked a person whom he thought was impersonating Wolverine and stopped after a few traded blows once Wolvie proved he was the real deal). Though, in ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' Spidey basically took on all of the entire X-Men and was winning before the Professor X mindwipe (though he had ConservationOfNinjitsu ConservationOfNinjutsu on his side then).
** Spidey has a similar relationship with Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} despite the two of them being close friends. They would always fight to a standstill. Often, Spider-Man would be hindered in some way (mind-controled, (mind-controlled, wounded, etc.) in order to make the fight more even since he had SuperStrength and DD didn't.
** After the return of the original Green Goblin, Norman Osborn, ComicBook/NormanOsborn, and the revelation of the original Hobgoblin, Roderick Kingsley, the two had a heated confrontation that dodged any answer as to who was superior in any particular way. Kingsley ends up fighting a proxy Green Goblin for much of the story; a brief altercation with Osborn is interrupted by a fire; Osborn's refusal to get his hands dirty during the story removes the possibility of a straight-up fight. The evasiveness even extends to the villains' planning skills - Kingsley ultimately gets away scot free after pulling a successful BatmanGambit on Norman, but along the way Osborn saw through all of Kingsley's deceptions and bought out Kingsley's corporate holdings. By the end, both villains win in a tangible way without settling the question of who is superior in any respect.
* This does not stop with [[SuperTeam super teams]], {{super team}}s, either. Usually, every super team goes up against another super team at least once with no clear team being the victor. However, individual members can sometimes have clear victories. More often than not, there will be an equal number of teammates on both sides once the dust settles.



* After the first battle between ComicBook/{{Thor}} and the ComicBook/{{Hulk}} in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers''#3, Creator/StanLee felt unsatisfied with the resolution - floodwaters separate the two combatants before the fight can really get started. He later wrote an issue of ''Thor'' in which Thor comes across [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall a group of children arguing over which of the two is the strongest]]. Thor sits with them and recounts the previous battle, but now much longer and more elaborate than previously seen in the ''Avengers'', adding extra wrinkles (such as Thor deciding to battle Hulk without his hammer and Odin granting him five minutes to do so). While the fight still ends inconclusively, Thor tells the boys that the fight was not simply a question of who was the strongest, but that there were many factors that could have swung the fight in either direction. Stan himself seemed to be suggesting that this was more dramatically interesting than having a definitive winner.

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* After the first battle between ComicBook/{{Thor}} and the ComicBook/{{Hulk}} ComicBook/IncredibleHulk in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers''#3, ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' #3, Creator/StanLee felt unsatisfied with the resolution - floodwaters separate the two combatants before the fight can really get started. He later wrote an issue of ''Thor'' in which Thor comes across [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall a group of children arguing over which of the two is the strongest]]. Thor sits with them and recounts the previous battle, but now much longer and more elaborate than previously seen in the ''Avengers'', adding extra wrinkles (such as Thor deciding to battle Hulk without his hammer and Odin granting him five minutes to do so). While the fight still ends inconclusively, Thor tells the boys that the fight was not simply a question of who was the strongest, but that there were many factors that could have swung the fight in either direction. Stan himself seemed to be suggesting that this was more dramatically interesting than having a definitive winner.



** {{Subverted}} in another ''The Lost Adventures'' strip, "Swordbending". Sokka challenges [[spoiler:Zuko (after his HeelFaceTurn)]] into a "Swordbending Kai" (which of course is simply [[SwordFight a duel fought with swords]]). [[CurbStompBattle Sokka loses in a matter of seconds]]. And then again... and again... [[OverlyLongGag and a couple times more]]. ''Even his last effort to throw [[spoiler:Zuko]] off focus and defeat him with a sucker punch fails.'' In the end however, Sokka proudly states that even having lost the battle of ''swords'' he won the battle of ''words''.
* In ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', as Deathstroke is tearing his way through a team assembled to help Elongated Man take down Doctor Light, he grabs ComicBook/GreenLantern's ring-bearing hand and wonders if his superior intellect could actually force the ring to work for him. The question is left unanswered after ComicBook/GreenArrow stabs him in his bad eye.
* {{ComicBook/Deadpool}} once got into a YoMomma fight with Spider-Man, and as he was building up to the ultimate zinger that would leave Spidey completely crushed, he left, claiming he'd achieved his goal of distracting him.

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** {{Subverted}} {{Subverted|Trope}} in another ''The Lost Adventures'' strip, "Swordbending". Sokka challenges [[spoiler:Zuko (after his HeelFaceTurn)]] into a "Swordbending Kai" (which of course is simply [[SwordFight a duel fought with swords]]). [[CurbStompBattle Sokka loses in a matter of seconds]]. And then again... and again... [[OverlyLongGag and a couple times more]]. ''Even his last effort to throw [[spoiler:Zuko]] off focus and defeat him with a sucker punch fails.'' In the end however, Sokka proudly states that even having lost the battle of ''swords'' he won the battle of ''words''.
* In ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', as Deathstroke ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} is tearing his way through a team assembled to help Elongated Man take down Doctor Light, he grabs ComicBook/GreenLantern's ring-bearing hand and wonders if his superior intellect could actually force the ring to work for him. The question is left unanswered after ComicBook/GreenArrow stabs him in his bad eye.
* {{ComicBook/Deadpool}} once got into a YoMomma [[YourMom Yo Momma]] fight with Spider-Man, and as he was building up to the ultimate zinger that would leave Spidey completely crushed, he left, claiming he'd achieved his goal of distracting him.



** This trope is averted in ''The Avengers'' sequel, ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''. Iron Man, now wearing a special suit designed to fight the Hulk, actually manages to beat him in a pretty brutal match. Meanwhile, Scarlet Witch manages to MindRape the entire team at one point or another, with the exception of Hawkeye, who sees her coming and electrocutes her. Quicksilver beats Hawkeye twice with the element of surprise, but Hawkeye beats him using surprise in their third encounter.

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** This trope is averted in ''The Avengers'' sequel, ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''. Iron Man, now wearing a special suit designed to fight the Hulk, actually manages to beat him in a pretty brutal match. Meanwhile, Scarlet Witch ComicBook/ScarletWitch manages to MindRape the entire team at one point or another, with the exception of Hawkeye, who sees her coming and electrocutes her. Quicksilver ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} beats Hawkeye twice with the element of surprise, but Hawkeye beats him using surprise in their third encounter.



* Averted in ''Series/{{Angel}}'' season 5: when [[BackFromTheDead Spike]] gets his body back, it takes them a matter of hours to come to blows (though the bad guys helped arrange it). The clear winner is [[spoiler: Spike, which doesn't much help the confidence issues Angel was going through.]]

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* Averted in ''Series/{{Angel}}'' season 5: when [[BackFromTheDead Spike]] gets his body back, it takes them a matter of hours to come to blows (though the bad guys helped arrange it). The clear winner is [[spoiler: Spike, which doesn't much help the confidence issues Angel was going through.]]through]].



** Averted in the first movie, where the entire point is a [[InevitableTournament Rider tournament]]. We see brief flashes of several fights, but see (or learn) the outcomes of the ones that matter. Decade vs [[Series/KamenRiderBlackRX Black RX]]? [[spoiler:RX dominates most of the fight, but Decade wins in the end]]. [[Series/KamenRiderKuuga Kuuga]] vs [[Series/KamenRiderX X-Rider]]? [[spoiler:Kuuga wins it]]. Decade, Diend, and Kuuga vs [[Series/KamenRiderV3 V3]], [[Series/KamenRiderSuper1 Super-1]], and [[Series/KamenRiderBlack Black]]? [[spoiler: Diend [[DirtyCoward punks out early]], Kuuga gets eliminated TakingTheBullet for Decade, and Decade takes out all three opponents at once through clever use of his [[DoppelgangerSpin AttackRide: Illusion]] card.]]

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** Averted in the first movie, where the entire point is a [[InevitableTournament Rider tournament]]. We see brief flashes of several fights, but see (or learn) the outcomes of the ones that matter. Decade vs [[Series/KamenRiderBlackRX Black RX]]? [[spoiler:RX dominates most of the fight, but Decade wins in the end]]. [[Series/KamenRiderKuuga Kuuga]] vs [[Series/KamenRiderX X-Rider]]? [[spoiler:Kuuga wins it]]. it.]] Decade, Diend, and Kuuga vs [[Series/KamenRiderV3 V3]], [[Series/KamenRiderSuper1 Super-1]], and [[Series/KamenRiderBlack Black]]? [[spoiler: Diend [[DirtyCoward punks out early]], Kuuga gets eliminated TakingTheBullet for Decade, and Decade takes out all three opponents at once through clever use of his [[DoppelgangerSpin AttackRide: Illusion]] card.]]



* The ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}:

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* The ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}:''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'':



** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, can withstand the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can almost match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.

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** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, {{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le, can withstand the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can almost match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.



** They had the armies and various mechanical creations of [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Albert Wily]] duke it out. [[spoiler: Metal Sonic from Robotnik's army went rogue mid-battle and killed both of them, going on to destroy the world.]] When this was raised in the ''Magfest 13'' interview, the creators explained that, unlike most examples of an EvasiveFightThreadEpisode, this was due to them seeing it as the logical conclusion of a battle of armies between the two, based on the abilities of their most used creations and the personalities of the scientists. [[spoiler:Metal Sonic's ability to [[PowerCopying quickly copy what he scans]] and improve his already impressive powers trumps all of the other commonly used robots of Wily and Robotnik. This would force Wily to use Roboenza as the only probable way to incapacitate him, causing Metal Sonic to go rogue]].
** Creator/ChuckNorris vs. Advertising/SegataSanshiro ends with [[spoiler:the two vanishing when a black hole is created as a result of the battle. The hosts speculate that they are either dead or fighting in another universe. Either way, they cannot be detected.]]
* Happens a couple times in ''WebAnimation/OneMinuteMelee'', the first time between [[spoiler:Lucario and Renamon, which ended in a double KO]]. Also happened in [[spoiler:Megaman vs. Samus, where Megaman defeated what was thought to be Samus, before that "Samus" turned out to be SA-X, who furiously attacked Megaman before the real Samus showed up to help Megaman take it down.]]

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** They had the armies and various mechanical creations of [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik]] and [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Dr. Albert Wily]] duke it out. [[spoiler: Metal Sonic from Robotnik's army went rogue mid-battle and killed both of them, going on to destroy the world.]] When this was raised in the ''Magfest 13'' interview, the creators explained that, unlike most examples of an EvasiveFightThreadEpisode, this trope, this was due to them seeing it as the logical conclusion of a battle of armies between the two, based on the abilities of their most used creations and the personalities of the scientists. [[spoiler:Metal Sonic's ability to [[PowerCopying quickly copy what he scans]] and improve his already impressive powers trumps all of the other commonly used robots of Wily and Robotnik. This would force Wily to use Roboenza as the only probable way to incapacitate him, causing Metal Sonic to go rogue]].
rogue.]]
** Creator/ChuckNorris vs. Advertising/SegataSanshiro ends with [[spoiler:the two vanishing when a black hole is created as a result of the battle. The hosts speculate that they are either dead or fighting in another universe. Either way, they cannot be detected.]]
detected]].
* Happens a couple times in ''WebAnimation/OneMinuteMelee'', the first time between [[spoiler:Lucario and Renamon, which ended in a double KO]]. Also happened in [[spoiler:Megaman vs. Samus, where Megaman defeated what was thought to be Samus, before that "Samus" turned out to be SA-X, who furiously attacked Megaman before the real Samus showed up to help Megaman take it down.]]down]].



* ''Franchise/{{DCAU}}'':
** In ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', the for-charity footrace held between Superman and the Flash gets detoured by the plot. The episode ends just as they start it over again. [[spoiler:An episode of ''Justice League Unlimited'' takes place in Coast City's Flash Museum, which has a display about the race containing a big trophy, leading to the WildMassGuess that Flash won.]] ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'''s second season episode "Eclipsed," firmly establishes that Flash can reach speeds that Superman can't -- they need to get something moving close to the speed of light, and Flash is the only one who can manage it. The charity race also happened before [[spoiler:the Speed Force event]] in ''Justice League Unlimited'', which makes it clear that [[spoiler:the Diniverse's Flash is, in the very least, ''several orders of magnitude'' faster than Superman... [[DeadlyUpgrade Though it would likely kill him to try doing it again]].]] Averted by the versions of Superman and the Flash in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' according to WordOfGod. Since Superman has multiple powers and superspeed is the Flash's only superpower, Greg Weisman says it makes the most sense to him that the latter is faster.
** Similarly, in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', "Grudge Match", a fight between Huntress and a mind-controlled Black Canary is interrupted when the mind-control tech is destroyed; at the end of the episode, they decide to go at it again, and the episode ends with the first blow.
** In yet another ''Justice League Unlimited'' example, Superman wins via wits even though it's made fairly clear that in a straight-up fight between Superman and Captain Marvel, neither the Man of Steel nor the World's Mightiest Mortal have the upper hand. This is mostly a fan bonus legacy nod to how similar the characters were originally in the comics, though you will have nitpickers complaining the [[Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse Diniverse]] Superman is inconsistently weaker in this adaptation. [[spoiler: It also serves as a bit of a deconstruction of the "Who would win in a fight?" concept, as it's made clear that it's ComicBook/LexLuthor who gains the most from two good guys pounding each other.]] It's also a nod to the comic ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', where Superman fights a Luthor-manipulated Captain Marvel - especially obvious with Marvel using the magic lightning against Superman, who is vulnerable against magic. Both fights pretty much ended the same way, though.
* A relatively recent ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' short featured a race between Speedy Gonzales and the Road Runner. The results were obscured when Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote, who had been chasing the duo through the whole cartoon, accidentally overtook them in a rocket car and crossed the finish line ''just'' before them in a cloud of dust. An overlap of EvasiveFightThreadEpisode with the DarkHorseVictory. [[spoiler:Though Speedy came in second place, beating the Road Runner in that race.]]

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* ''Franchise/{{DCAU}}'':
''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'':
** In ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', the for-charity footrace held between Superman and the Flash gets detoured by the plot. The episode ends just as they start it over again. [[spoiler:An episode of ''Justice League Unlimited'' takes place in Coast City's Flash Museum, which has a display about the race containing a big trophy, leading to the WildMassGuess that Flash won.]] ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'''s second season episode "Eclipsed," firmly establishes that Flash can reach speeds that Superman can't -- they need to get something moving close to the speed of light, and Flash is the only one who can manage it. The charity race also happened before [[spoiler:the Speed Force event]] in ''Justice League Unlimited'', which makes it clear that [[spoiler:the Diniverse's Flash is, in the very least, ''several orders of magnitude'' faster than Superman... [[DeadlyUpgrade Though it would likely kill him to try doing it again]].]] again]]]]. Averted by the versions of Superman and the Flash in ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' according to WordOfGod. Since Superman has multiple powers and superspeed is the Flash's only superpower, Greg Weisman says it makes the most sense to him that the latter is faster.
** Similarly, in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', "Grudge Match", a fight between Huntress ComicBook/{{Huntress}} and a mind-controlled Black Canary ComicBook/BlackCanary is interrupted when the mind-control tech is destroyed; at the end of the episode, they decide to go at it again, and but the episode ends with before the first blow.
** In yet another ''Justice League Unlimited'' example, Superman wins via wits even though it's made fairly clear that in a straight-up fight between Superman and [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel, Marvel]], neither the Man of Steel nor the World's Mightiest Mortal have the upper hand. This is mostly a fan bonus legacy nod to how similar the characters were originally in the comics, though you will have nitpickers complaining the [[Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse Diniverse]] Superman is inconsistently weaker in this adaptation. [[spoiler: It also serves as a bit of a deconstruction of the "Who would win in a fight?" concept, as it's made clear that it's ComicBook/LexLuthor who gains the most from two good guys pounding each other.]] It's also a nod to the comic ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', where Superman fights a Luthor-manipulated Captain Marvel - especially obvious with Marvel using the magic lightning against Superman, who is vulnerable against magic. Both fights pretty much ended the same way, though.
* A relatively recent One ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' short featured a race between Speedy Gonzales and the Road Runner. The results were obscured when Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote, who had been chasing the duo through the whole cartoon, accidentally overtook them in a rocket car and crossed the finish line ''just'' before them in a cloud of dust. An overlap of EvasiveFightThreadEpisode this with the DarkHorseVictory. [[spoiler:Though Speedy came in second place, beating the Road Runner in that race.]]



* Subverted, of all the crazy places, in ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''. At the end of "The Great Wife Hope", Bart challenges Lisa to a fight to settle the bad blood between them. They jump at each other and the scene freezes and breaks to the start of the credits, [[spoiler:only to [[SubvertedTrope subvert the trope]] and unfreeze a few seconds later as Lisa lays Bart out with a single punch.]]

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* Subverted, of all the crazy places, in ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''. At the end of "The Great Wife Hope", Bart challenges Lisa to a fight to settle the bad blood between them. They jump at each other and the scene freezes and breaks to the start of the credits, [[spoiler:only to [[SubvertedTrope subvert the trope]] and unfreeze a few seconds later as Lisa lays Bart out with a single punch.]]punch]].



* Regardless of his speed compared to Franchise/TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus.]]

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* Regardless of his speed compared to Franchise/TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te4-ofPoTuk Superman in a race with Santa Claus.]]
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** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, can withstand the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.

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** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, can withstand the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can almost match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.
12th Nov '17 10:52:21 AM 309216364
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** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, can NoSell the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.

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** During the "Invasion!" crossover, the Flash has to go up against a BrainwashedAndCrazy Series/{{Supergirl|2015}}. Barry doesn't actively try to ''fight'' Supergirl; instead he tries to avoid her as best he can and, like with the earlier fight with Oliver, Barry deals with her by breaking the brainwashing. The fight does show that while Supergirl is NighInvulnerable, can NoSell withstand the Flash's Speed Force lightning (his only major offensive move), and can match his speed; the Flash is better at using that speed to react, change course, and dodge her attacks. It's also possible that he was specifically holding back his speed so she ''could'' keep up, as he was luring her to a specific location.
31st Aug '17 9:15:08 AM CosmicFerret
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* Regardless of his speed compared to TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus.]]

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* Regardless of his speed compared to TheFlash, Franchise/TheFlash, ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' has [[http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/santa-vs-superman.html Superman in a race with Santa Claus.]]
18th Aug '17 12:15:34 PM FordPrefect
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While this is usually just a dramatic device, especially for characters who are StrongAsTheyNeedToBe, [[SeriousBusiness a lot of ''fans'' take this much more seriously]], spawning the infamous {{fanwank}}y and subjectivity-filled ''fight threads'' in online discussions.

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While this is usually just a dramatic device, especially for characters who are StrongAsTheyNeedToBe, [[SeriousBusiness a lot of ''fans'' [[SeriousBusiness take this much more seriously]], spawning the infamous {{fanwank}}y and subjectivity-filled ''fight threads'' in online discussions.
24th Jul '17 11:08:05 AM AnoneMouseJr
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* ''Film/RockyIII'', between Rocky and Apollo.

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* ''Film/RockyIII'', between Rocky and Apollo. [[spoiler: Ultimately averted years later in ''Film/{{Creed}}'' when, though the fight is still not shown, Rocky admits that Apollo won.]]
23rd Jul '17 3:45:27 PM AndyLA
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-->-- '''ComicBook/TheFlash''', ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''

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-->-- '''ComicBook/TheFlash''', ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''
''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Speed Demons"
14th Jul '17 7:17:36 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** As expected, ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has some of its members fight or almost fight upon meeting one another. Film/IronMan fights Film/{{Thor}} who later fights Film/TheIncredibleHulk with no clear-cut winners. Film/{{Captain America|TheFirstAvenger}} deflects Thor's hammer when he breaks up his fight with Tony and even challenges Iron Man to a fight but nothing comes of either conflict. This is averted in the fight between Comicbook/BlackWidow and ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} as Black Widow renders Hawkeye unconscious.

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** As expected, ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' has some of its members fight or almost fight upon meeting one another. Film/IronMan fights Film/{{Thor}} who later fights Film/TheIncredibleHulk with no clear-cut winners. Film/{{Captain America|TheFirstAvenger}} deflects Thor's hammer when he breaks up his fight with Tony and even challenges Iron Man to a fight but nothing comes of either conflict. This is averted in the fight between Comicbook/BlackWidow and ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} as Black Widow renders Hawkeye unconscious.unconscious (although he was both under mind control and severely sleep deprived at the time...)
29th Jun '17 7:22:00 PM lalalei2001
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* At the end of the Battle City arc in ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Yugi and Jounouchi begin a duel to resolve the question raised by their previously unresolved duel (which Yugi had thrown to save Jounouchi's life). The episode ends before the first card is played, leaving it unresolved (though the fact that Jounouchi inexplicably has his Red Eyes Black Dragon back in the next arc would suggest that he indeed won).
* Not to mention the UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny [[GrandFinale Series Finale]] of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. However, the cards in play heavily suggest that [[spoiler:Judai]] lost, but on his own terms. And the important part was that he was finally having fun with the game again anyway.

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* At the end of the Battle City arc in ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Yugi and Jounouchi begin a duel to resolve the question raised by their previously unresolved duel (which duel, which Yugi had thrown to save Jounouchi's life). life. The episode ends before the first card is played, leaving it unresolved (though unresolved, though the fact that Jounouchi inexplicably has his Red Eyes Black Dragon back in the next arc would suggest that he indeed won).
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* Not to mention the The UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny [[GrandFinale Series Finale]] of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''.''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' features Judai vs Yugi. However, the cards in play heavily suggest that [[spoiler:Judai]] lost, but on his own terms. And the important part was that he was finally having fun with the game again anyway.
29th Jun '17 7:20:25 PM lalalei2001
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', Yugi and Kaiba's duel is actually conclusive, as, by doing the math, Yugi does wipe out his lifepoints, and Kaiba does not activate his facedown. Kaiba however, somehow hangs on to 100 of his lifepoints (which may be due to the fact that the power goes out as soon as his counter reaches that number), and Aigami interrupts it before it can be followed up on. [[spoiler:The movie also ends just before Kaiba and Atem possibly duel in the afterlife.]]

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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', Yugi and Kaiba's duel is actually conclusive, as, by doing the math, inconclusive, with Yugi does wipe out his lifepoints, and apparently wiping him out, Kaiba does not activate his facedown. Kaiba however, somehow hangs on to 100 of his lifepoints (which may be due to the fact that the power goes out as soon as his counter reaches that number), hanging on, and Aigami interrupts interrupting it before it can be followed up on. conclude. [[spoiler:The movie also ends just before Kaiba and Atem possibly duel in the afterlife.]]
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