History Main / EsotericHappyEnding

6th Dec '16 3:31:47 PM WanderingBrowser
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** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition,'' a player who chooses to aid elven rights activist Briala [[spoiler:co-rule Orlais with Gaspard or Celene]] is presented as a happy end to the civil war for elves. Reuniting Briala with [[spoiler:Celene]] is especially presented as the "ideal" happy ending for all parties. However, a lot of players note that both outcomes look shaky and short-lived at best, since [[spoiler:Briala's power lasts only as long as Gaspard is alive ''and'' under her thumb]], or [[spoiler:her relationship with Celene continues to go well, since Celene still has ''all'' the power and hasn't hesitated to use it to screw over Briala and the elves before.]] Basically, despite the game framing Briala [[spoiler:co-ruling with Gaspard or Celene]] as a happy ending for elves, many players are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
** Even when you take helping elves out of the equation, those who've read ''Literature/TheMaskedEmpire'' feel that the game resenting the reconciliation between [[spoiler:Celene and Briala]] as the most ideal happy ending to the whole Orlesian Civil War as this. While the game treats the reunion as a heartwarming example of love triumphing over hard feelings, those who've read the book know [[spoiler:how toxic, imbalanced, and even abusive their relationship was, and how this "reunion" doesn't address the power imbalance that allowed Celene to hurt Briala as badly as she did.]] Many players don't see it as a heartwarming reunion so much as convincing an angry, emotionally vulnerable abuse victim to go back to her abuser.

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** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition,'' a player who chooses to aid elven rights activist Briala [[spoiler:co-rule co-rule Orlais with Gaspard or Celene]] Celene is presented as a happy end to the civil war for elves. Reuniting Briala with [[spoiler:Celene]] Celene is especially presented as the "ideal" happy ending for all parties. However, a lot of players note that both outcomes look shaky and short-lived at best, since [[spoiler:Briala's Briala's power lasts only as long as Gaspard is alive ''and'' under her thumb]], thumb, or [[spoiler:her her relationship with Celene continues to go well, since Celene still has ''all'' the power and hasn't hesitated to use it to screw over Briala and the elves before.]] before. Basically, despite the game framing Briala [[spoiler:co-ruling co-ruling with Gaspard or Celene]] Celene as a happy ending for elves, many players are waiting for the other shoe to drop.
** Even when you take helping elves out of the equation, those who've read ''Literature/TheMaskedEmpire'' feel that the game resenting the reconciliation between [[spoiler:Celene Celene and Briala]] Briala as the most ideal happy ending to the whole Orlesian Civil War as this. While the game treats the reunion as a heartwarming example of love triumphing over hard feelings, those who've read the book know [[spoiler:how toxic, imbalanced, and even abusive their relationship was, and how this "reunion" doesn't address the power imbalance that allowed Celene to hurt Briala as badly as she did.]] Many players don't see it as a heartwarming reunion so much as convincing an angry, emotionally vulnerable abuse victim to go back to her abuser.


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* In ''VideoGame/AmnesiaTheDarkDescent'', you have the choice between two of these or a straight-forward DownerEnding when you finally face Alexander. If you disrupt the ritual and allow The Darkness to devour Alexander, Daniel is allowed to go free and presumably pursue a normal life... despite the countless people he helped to torture and murder as part of Alexander's plans. More closely fitting to this trope is the alternative, where you send Agrippa's head through the portal. Alexander and Daniel are both devoured by The Darkness, but Agrippa is apparently able to somehow rescue Daniel and draw him through to another dimension... which brings with it the FridgeLogic of how this is supposed to save Daniel from being tracked down by The Darkness again, which is explicitly mentioned in an InUniveres document as being why Alexander was going to simply abandon Daniel when the ritual was complete.
* In ''Videogame/AmnesiaAMachineForPigs'', FridgeLogic turns the BittersweetEnding of Oswald Mandus making a HeroicSacrifice to destroy the titular machine into this; yes, London was saved, but how much damage did the Machine and its PigMen do to London before Oswald defeated it, and what effect will it have on the coming future?
* Unabashedly used in ''VideoGame/{{SOMA}}''; due to the nature of how BrainUploading works in that universe, after all the effort of trudging through the monster-riddled ruins of [=PATHOS=II=] and launching the [=ARK=], protagonist Simon is left stranded in his cobbled-together ArtificialZombie body at the bottom of the oceanic abyss, as he was only able to make a copy of his mind aboard the satellite's artificial reality, rather than directly transferring himself. As he fights with his only companion, a previously-uploaded engineer who created the [=ARK=], about this fate, she finally overloads the imperfect computer she's been forced to use to host her consciousness and kills herself, leaving him completely alone, the last vestige of human sentience, under miles of water on a planet where the surface has been scorched clean. Up above, the duplicates of Simon and Catherine enjoy a happy reunion in the [=ARK=]... although how long it'll actually ''survive'' is anyone's guess.
1st Dec '16 11:24:56 PM KeithM
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** The Extended Cut Control ending can be seen as questionable depending on the type of character the player eventually caused Shepard to be. A Paragon Shepard whose primary motivation was freedom, allowing people to make their own decisions, trying to find peaceful solutions first, respectful to others whatever their origin and willing to fight to the end and sacrifice themself to allow as many as possible to live, probably not so bad to have around as a trans-sentient God. A xenophobic, jerkass, shoot first and don't worry about it later, do what needs to be done whoever else needs to be sacrificed to do it--and screwing around with them first just because they found it amusing--Renegade Shepard as the most power entity in the galaxy? Oy.

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** The Extended Cut Control ending can be seen as questionable depending on the type of character the player eventually caused Shepard to be. A Paragon Shepard whose primary motivation was freedom, allowing people to make their own decisions, trying to find peaceful solutions first, respectful to others whatever their origin and willing to fight to the end and sacrifice themself to allow as many as possible to live, probably not so bad to have around as a trans-sentient transhuman God. A xenophobic, jerkass, shoot first and don't worry about it later, do what needs to be done whoever else needs to be sacrificed to do it--and screwing around with them first just because they found it amusing--Renegade Shepard as the most power powerful entity in the galaxy? Oy. Essentially, imagine if your choice of all-powerful god was between [[TheParagon Superman/Captain America]], or {{Deadpool}}.
1st Dec '16 11:04:27 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The ending of Future Trunks arc of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is supposed to be seen as a bittersweet happy ending with them successfully defeating Merged Zamasu with Whis helping both Future Trunks and Future Mai have a bright future ahead of them by creating a CloseEnoughTimeline just for them. However, it still doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end because right after Future Trunks destroyed Zamasu's physical body, he became a bodiless EldritchAbomination that wipes out all the remaining survivors left on earth and is in the process of spreading across the universe and timelines, forcing them to summon Zeno just to stop him but at the cost of the entire timeline. In other words, [[TheBadGuyWins Zamasu won]] and the heroes [[FailureHero completely failed]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog their goal of stopping him]], even to the point of a DownerEnding for some fans.

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* The ending of Future Trunks arc of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is supposed to be seen as a bittersweet happy ending with them successfully defeating Merged Zamasu with Whis helping both Future Trunks and Future Mai have a bright future ahead of them by creating a CloseEnoughTimeline just for them. However, it still doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end because right after Future Trunks destroyed Zamasu's physical body, he became a bodiless EldritchAbomination that wipes out all the remaining survivors left on earth and is in the process of spreading across the universe and timelines, forcing them to summon Zeno just to stop him but at the cost of the entire timeline. In other words, [[TheBadGuyWins Zamasu had won]] and the heroes [[FailureHero completely failed]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog failed their goal of stopping him]], even to the point of a DownerEnding for some fans.
1st Dec '16 10:56:56 PM Ersatz_Haderach
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* ''{{Webcomic/Endtown}}'' sees fan-favourite Holly Hollister PutOnABus by way of electing to stay in a Matrix-esque illusion. It's implied she's going to have a loooong life... living in a literal bubble of denial with a faulty computer pretending (badly) to be her dead husband along with an imaginary child, all this after being the character defined by such things as detesting the way some people live in their own make believe worlds and forcing herself out of her clock tower home and back into reality prior the start of the story for the sake of finding happiness. Yay? More than anything it comes across as the author's half-hearted attempt to be rid of her while also leaving her "happy" enough not to completely disappoint the fans who were hoping for a happy ending for her. Said fans will probably still wait forever for [[TheBusCameBack the bus to come back]]...
29th Nov '16 1:47:17 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** At the end of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink Blink]]," we see that Sally has a photo of a Weeping Angel, but in season 5, we find out that Weeping Angels can project themselves through images, meaning that that photo is probably going to turn into another Angel. Fortunately, Sally gave that photo to the Doctor, who can hopefully dispose of it. But regarding the ''original'' Angels, the only thing keeping them immobilized is one bare lightbulb, which could burn out at any moment, and which ''the Angels telepathically turned off earlier in the episode''. Yeah, WordOfGod made the situation less ominous by describing the Angels in "Blink" as weak scavengers, but there are always more Weeping Angels out there. [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou Any statue could be a Weeping Angel]] -- maybe they ''[[ParanoiaFuel all]]'' are! ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking On a less dire note]], the "happy" ending features Sally and Larry making a living by running a video store...which probably is going to end up failing, since the episode took place in 2007, right before video stores started becoming obsolete.)

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** At the end of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink Blink]]," we see that Sally has a photo of a Weeping Angel, but in season 5, we find out that Weeping Angels can project themselves through images, meaning that that photo is probably going to turn into another Angel. Fortunately, Sally gave that photo to the Doctor, who can hopefully dispose of it. But regarding the ''original'' Angels, the only thing keeping them immobilized is one bare lightbulb, which could burn out at any moment, and which ''the Angels ''they telepathically turned off earlier in the episode''. Yeah, WordOfGod made the situation less ominous by describing the Angels in "Blink" as weak scavengers, but there are always more Weeping Angels out there. [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou Any statue could be a Weeping Angel]] -- maybe they ''[[ParanoiaFuel all]]'' are! ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking On a less dire note]], the "happy" ending features Sally and Larry making a living by running a video store...which probably is going to end up failing, since the episode took place in 2007, right before video stores started becoming obsolete.)
29th Nov '16 1:45:42 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** At the end of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink Blink]]," we see that Sally has a photo of a Weeping Angel, but in season 5, we find out that Weeping Angels can project themselves through images, meaning that that photo is probably going to turn into another Angel. (Fortunately, Sally gave that photo to the Doctor, who can hopefully dispose of it.) Plus, the only thing keeping the ''original'' Angels immobilized is one bare lightbulb, which could burn out at any moment, and which ''the Angels telepathically turned off earlier in the episode.'' There's also the strong implication (confirmed in later episodes) that there are still more Angels out there, disguised as normal statues (that is, if there's such a thing as a normal statue that's not an Angel). On a less dire note, the "happy" ending features Sally and Larry making a living by running a video store...which probably is going to end up failing, since the episode took place in 2007, right before video stores started becoming obsolete. Though WordOfGod states the angels in the debut episode are scavengers, and don't have as much power as the later ones. So we assume Sally will be safe (for now).

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** At the end of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E10Blink Blink]]," we see that Sally has a photo of a Weeping Angel, but in season 5, we find out that Weeping Angels can project themselves through images, meaning that that photo is probably going to turn into another Angel. (Fortunately, Fortunately, Sally gave that photo to the Doctor, who can hopefully dispose of it.) Plus, the only thing keeping it. But regarding the ''original'' Angels Angels, the only thing keeping them immobilized is one bare lightbulb, which could burn out at any moment, and which ''the Angels telepathically turned off earlier in the episode.'' There's also episode''. Yeah, WordOfGod made the strong implication (confirmed situation less ominous by describing the Angels in later episodes) that "Blink" as weak scavengers, but there are still always more Weeping Angels out there, disguised as normal statues (that is, if there's such a thing as a normal there. [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou Any statue that's not an Angel). could be a Weeping Angel]] -- maybe they ''[[ParanoiaFuel all]]'' are! ([[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking On a less dire note, note]], the "happy" ending features Sally and Larry making a living by running a video store...which probably is going to end up failing, since the episode took place in 2007, right before video stores started becoming obsolete. Though WordOfGod states the angels in the debut episode are scavengers, and don't have as much power as the later ones. So we assume Sally will be safe (for now).)
29th Nov '16 1:39:03 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'' ends with a "happy ending" in which the British and Powhatan come to terms with each other. Anyone with the vaguest knowledge of history knows this will last about three seconds before relations go south for about 300 years.
27th Nov '16 8:14:05 PM Loekman3
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* The ending of Future Trunks arc of ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' is supposed to be seen as a bittersweet happy ending with them successfully defeating Merged Zamasu with Whis helping both Future Trunks and Future Mai have a bright future ahead of them by creating a CloseEnoughTimeline just for them. However, it still doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end because right after Future Trunks destroyed Zamasu's physical body, he became a bodiless EldritchAbomination that wipes out all the remaining survivors left on earth and is in the process of spreading across the universe and timelines, forcing them to summon Zeno just to stop him but at the cost of the entire timeline. In other words, [[TheBadGuyWins Zamasu won]] and the heroes [[FailureHero completely failed]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog their goal of stopping him]], even to the point of a DownerEnding for some fans.

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* The ending of Future Trunks arc of ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is supposed to be seen as a bittersweet happy ending with them successfully defeating Merged Zamasu with Whis helping both Future Trunks and Future Mai have a bright future ahead of them by creating a CloseEnoughTimeline just for them. However, it still doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end because right after Future Trunks destroyed Zamasu's physical body, he became a bodiless EldritchAbomination that wipes out all the remaining survivors left on earth and is in the process of spreading across the universe and timelines, forcing them to summon Zeno just to stop him but at the cost of the entire timeline. In other words, [[TheBadGuyWins Zamasu won]] and the heroes [[FailureHero completely failed]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog their goal of stopping him]], even to the point of a DownerEnding for some fans.
27th Nov '16 8:12:11 PM Loekman3
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* The Future Trunks arc of ''DragonballSuper'' has this to an extreme degree, to the point that it's a borderline DownerEnding. Despite their best efforts, in the end Earth's warriors can't defeat Merged Zamasu and when they destroy his physical body he simply [[FromBadToWorse becomes a universe spanning Eldritch Abomination]] and wipes out the remaining survivors on Trunks' Earth. While they manage to summon [[TopGod Zen'o]] as a last resort, in order to stop Zamasu he has to ''wipe Trunks' entire timeline out of existence'', with Trunks and Mai being the only survivors thanks to the time machine. While Whis is nice enough to help create a CloseEnoughTimeline for Trunks and Mai to go to, it doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end.

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* The ending of Future Trunks arc of ''DragonballSuper'' has this ''Anime/DragonballSuper'' is supposed to an extreme degree, to the point that it's be seen as a borderline DownerEnding. Despite their best efforts, in the end Earth's warriors can't defeat bittersweet happy ending with them successfully defeating Merged Zamasu and when they destroy his physical body he simply [[FromBadToWorse becomes a universe spanning Eldritch Abomination]] and wipes out the remaining survivors on Trunks' Earth. While they manage to summon [[TopGod Zen'o]] as a last resort, in order to stop Zamasu he has to ''wipe Trunks' entire timeline out of existence'', with Whis helping both Future Trunks and Future Mai being the only survivors thanks to the time machine. While Whis is nice enough to help create have a bright future ahead of them by creating a CloseEnoughTimeline just for Trunks and Mai to go to, them. However, it still doesn't change the fact that everyone they knew and loved from their original timeline got erased from existence and Trunks wasn't able to protect them in the end.end because right after Future Trunks destroyed Zamasu's physical body, he became a bodiless EldritchAbomination that wipes out all the remaining survivors left on earth and is in the process of spreading across the universe and timelines, forcing them to summon Zeno just to stop him but at the cost of the entire timeline. In other words, [[TheBadGuyWins Zamasu won]] and the heroes [[FailureHero completely failed]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog their goal of stopping him]], even to the point of a DownerEnding for some fans.
27th Nov '16 6:48:56 PM HamburgerTime
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* ''Film/Se7en'' has an ''inversion'', an Esoteric ''Downer'' Ending. The film ends with the BigBad [[SuicideByCop goading the hero into]] [[VigilanteExecution killing him in cold blood]], and the hero being arrested for his murder. This is portrayed as a posthumous triumph for said villain, since [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim he made the hero a killer like him]]. However, the hero is a decorated police detective, and the villain a brutal SerialKiller who broke the hero by revealing that his last victim was the detective's beloved wife; while still not exactly a happy ending, it is ''extremely'' unlikely the detective would be convicted in real life.
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