History Main / EsotericHappyEnding

13th Mar '17 5:53:27 AM flodoris
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** Many fans were also unsatisfied with the fates of the villains. Of the BigBadEnsemble members, only [[WellIntentionedExtremist Danzo]], [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Kaguya and Zetsu]] receive severe punishments; the rest are either [[RedemptionEqualsDeath forgiven in death]] ([[DragonInChief Nagato]], [[TheManBehindTheMan Obito]], [[PredecessorVillain Madara]]), get a slap on the wrist ([[MadScientist Orochimaru]], [[DangerousDeserter the aforementioned Sasuke]]), or [[KarmaHoudini just plain aren't punished at all]] ([[DragonAscendant Kabuto]]).

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** Many fans were also unsatisfied with the fates of the villains. Of the BigBadEnsemble members, only [[WellIntentionedExtremist Danzo]], [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Kaguya and Zetsu]] receive severe punishments; the rest are either [[RedemptionEqualsDeath forgiven in death]] ([[DragonInChief ([[DragonWithAnAgenda Nagato]], [[TheManBehindTheMan Obito]], [[PredecessorVillain Madara]]), get a slap on the wrist ([[MadScientist Orochimaru]], [[DangerousDeserter the aforementioned Sasuke]]), or [[KarmaHoudini just plain aren't punished at all]] ([[DragonAscendant Kabuto]]).
10th Mar '17 5:16:57 PM Sammettik
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** What some consider to be "best" of the three possible endings(Possibly because it's hardest to achieve and described as such by [[UnreliableExpositor The Catalyst]]), Synthesis, does a poor job of explaining why it should be considered the best. [[note]]The clearest indication to this effect is the rather meta fact that it is simply the most difficult to unlock.[[/note]] Supposedly somehow fusing organic and inorganic life into one greater whole -- involuntarily, at that -- the only actual effect it is shown to have is to cover organisms in a glowing green circuitry pattern and make their eyes (if they have them) glow green.

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** What some consider to be The so-called "best" of the three possible endings(Possibly because it's hardest to achieve and described as such by [[UnreliableExpositor The Catalyst]]), ending Synthesis, does a poor job of explaining why it should be considered the best. [[note]]The clearest indication to this effect is the rather meta fact that it is simply the most difficult to unlock.[[/note]] Supposedly somehow fusing organic and inorganic life into one greater whole -- involuntarily, at that -- the only actual effect it is shown to have is to cover organisms in a glowing green circuitry pattern and make their eyes (if they have them) glow green.
9th Mar '17 11:00:53 PM Nakayama90
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* ''{{Manga/Bleach}}'' in the manga, ends HappilyEverAfter with ten years of peace after the war with Yhwach. However, the first of two novels released after the ending gives some UnfortunateImplications. Namely, [[spoiler:Yhwach's corpse is taken by Squad Zero [[PoweredByAForsakenChild and made into the Soul King]]]], [[spoiler:[[WrittenByTheWinners with the history books being written to say that the original Soul King was successfully defended on orders of Squad Zero, and the war was named "The Great Soul King Protection War"]].]] While these points are not given much focus in the first novel, it does raise questions about the validity of the ending overall.

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* ''{{Manga/Bleach}}'' in the manga, ends HappilyEverAfter with ten years of peace after the war with Yhwach. However, the first of two novels released after the ending gives some UnfortunateImplications.disturbing implications. Namely, [[spoiler:Yhwach's corpse is taken by Squad Zero [[PoweredByAForsakenChild and made into the Soul King]]]], [[spoiler:[[WrittenByTheWinners with the history books being written to say that the original Soul King was successfully defended on orders of Squad Zero, and the war was named "The Great Soul King Protection War"]].]] While these points are not given much focus in the first novel, it does raise questions about the validity of the ending overall.
2nd Mar '17 7:19:05 AM CaliburnAbsoluteEX
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* TheHero has beaten the BigBad in ''VideoGame/FragileDreamsFarewellRuinsOfTheMoon'' and is set to journey with the heroine to find other survivors in the empty world. What makes this an example is the ending dialogue features a voiceover of the aged hero, with many implications he's at the end of his life, his female companion has died and he's back to square one of being alone again. The game ends following his monologue/

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* TheHero has beaten the BigBad in ''VideoGame/FragileDreamsFarewellRuinsOfTheMoon'' and is set to journey with the heroine to find other survivors in the empty world. What makes this an example is the ending dialogue features a voiceover of the aged hero, with many implications he's at the end of his life, his female companion has died and he's back to square one of being alone again. The game ends following his monologue/monologue.



* In ''VideoGame/MaxPayne2TheFallOfMaxPayne'', Max lays in the destroyed Inner Circle manor and mentions a dream about his dead wife, who is dead but "that was alright". But the closest thing he had to a ''living'' spouse/girlfriend/what have you is dead, and anyone who can explain anything is dead including the extremely powerful Alfred Woden, who had connections to senators. His death, and the death of Detective Winterson are going to be in all likelyhood put squarely on Max's shoulders. So not only is he going to be a scapegoat for the death of these powerful people, but also justly prosecuted for the death of a detective with a ''blind son'', who is now an ''orphan''. An Ex-Cop is going to be sent to jail, and we all know how well they go over there. This was probably intentional given the narrative, but it's something of a miracle that a sequel was produced at all that did not involve Max getting shanked to death in the first thirty minutes. If you finish the game on the hardest difficulty, the final Noir cutscene ends with Mona waking up, implying that this could be an EarnYourHappyEnding, but the third game runs with the "Mona is dead" ending as canon and goes out of its way to point out how unhappy Max was, with or without her.

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* In ''VideoGame/MaxPayne2TheFallOfMaxPayne'', Max lays in the destroyed Inner Circle manor and mentions a dream about his dead wife, who is dead but "that was alright". But the closest thing he had to a ''living'' spouse/girlfriend/what have you is dead, and anyone who can explain anything is dead including the extremely powerful Alfred Woden, who had connections to senators. His death, and the death of Detective Winterson are going to be in all likelyhood likelihood put squarely on Max's shoulders. So not only is he going to be a scapegoat for the death of these powerful people, but also justly prosecuted for the death of a detective with a ''blind son'', who is now an ''orphan''. An Ex-Cop is going to be sent to jail, and we all know how well they go over there. This was probably intentional given the narrative, but it's something of a miracle that a sequel was produced at all that did not involve Max getting shanked to death in the first thirty minutes. If you finish the game on the hardest difficulty, the final Noir cutscene ends with Mona waking up, implying that this could be an EarnYourHappyEnding, but the third game runs with the "Mona is dead" ending as canon and goes out of its way to point out how unhappy Max was, with or without her.



** In Synthesis and Destroy, the Citadel is also shown exploding, with the Presidium, the structural core of the station, collapsing. Through inference of its holding station instead of orbiting when the Reapers brought it to Earth, the billion-ton ward arms would be falling Earthward and possibly causing five extinction event impacts. The Extended Cut [[HandWave Hand-Waves]] this into having the Citadel instead look like it should be condemned and dismantled, wtih holes in the Wards' bases, and a huge chunk out of the Presidium (which again is the structural core of the station). Control averts this.

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** In Synthesis and Destroy, the Citadel is also shown exploding, with the Presidium, the structural core of the station, collapsing. Through inference of its holding station instead of orbiting when the Reapers brought it to Earth, the billion-ton ward arms would be falling Earthward and possibly causing five extinction event impacts. The Extended Cut [[HandWave Hand-Waves]] this into having the Citadel instead look like it should be condemned and dismantled, wtih with holes in the Wards' bases, and a huge chunk out of the Presidium (which again is the structural core of the station). Control averts this.



* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has two endings: depending on who you choose to deal the final blow to the final boss. Chrom's version is generally considered to be one of these by most players, as it merely [[SealedEvilInACan seals Grima away for another thousand years]], meaning that while the main characters get to live their lives happily, Grima will one day return to terrorise the world again and to the protagonists that's just SomebodyElsesProblem. The Avatar's ending kills Grima permenantly, seemingly at the cost of the Avatar's life, which would make it a BittersweetEnding... were it not for the fact that the Avatar is revealed to have survived. As such, since the latter is a GoldenEnding with no drawbacks, most players consider the first ending choice pointless.
* The [[EarnYourHappyEnding best ending]] in ''VideoGame/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaPortable'' has Madoka successfully avoid a contract while the other four girls defeat Walpurgisnacht. The story then ends with the girls having a ShipTease-laden tea party, happily smiling and joking at each other. However, since Madoka didn't make a contract, millions of girls are still dying of despair, humankind is still plagued by witches, and the five main characters are probably going to all die in a few years after their Grief Seeds start to run dry.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has two endings: depending on who you choose to deal the final blow to the final boss. Chrom's version is generally considered to be one of these by most players, as it merely [[SealedEvilInACan seals Grima away for another thousand years]], meaning that while the main characters get to live their lives happily, Grima will one day return to terrorise the world again and to the protagonists that's just SomebodyElsesProblem. The Avatar's ending kills Grima permenantly, permanently, seemingly at the cost of the Avatar's life, which would make it a BittersweetEnding... were it not for the fact that the Avatar is revealed to have survived. As such, since the latter is a GoldenEnding with no drawbacks, most players consider the first ending choice pointless.
* The [[EarnYourHappyEnding best ending]] in ''VideoGame/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaPortable'' has Madoka successfully avoid a contract while the other four girls defeat Walpurgisnacht. The story then ends with the girls having a ShipTease-laden tea party, happily smiling and joking at each other. However, since Madoka didn't make a contract, millions of girls are still dying of despair, humankind is still plagued by witches, and the five main characters are probably going to all die in a few years after their Grief Seeds Soul Gems start to run dry.



* The ending of ''VideoGame/SandsOfDestruction'' is unambiguously meant to be happy: Kyrie has control of his PowerIncontinence, the [[SandIsWater Sand Sea]] is now filled with water (and therefore much more liveable) and it's no longer trying to swallow all the continents to help end the world, humans are no longer [[FantasticRacism oppressed by Ferals]], and [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl best of all]], he and Morte (who no longer wishes to end the world) are a happy OfficialCouple. Well, great, except the epilogue doesn't show ''any'' Ferals except [[OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding Taupy, Rhi'a, and Naja]]. What happened to the rest? Rhi'a is seen chasing after a house cat who resembles Felis Rex, so perhaps they've been turned into ordinary animals - a fitting end to those who were oppressive, sure, but the game points out that Ferals are as diverse as humans in personality; some are cruel and some are kind. On top of that, the only reason Kyrie has control of his powers is ThePowerOfLove, and he and Morte are teenagers: what happens if they break up, like so many other teenagers tend to do? Worse yet, the Crimson Sun gave Morte the Destruct Code that controls Kyrie's powers, and the only reason she's [[LoveRedeems no longer interested in ending the world]] is because Kyrie is WorthLivingFor; she's still shown to be temperamental and prone to acting before she thinks. So if Kyrie ever falls out of love and breaks her heart, she's [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum likely to end the world in a fit of anger]] because she now knows ''exactly'' how to do it, and he'd be powerless to stop her. Oops.

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* The ending of ''VideoGame/SandsOfDestruction'' is unambiguously meant to be happy: Kyrie has control of his PowerIncontinence, the [[SandIsWater Sand Sea]] is now filled with water (and therefore much more liveable) livable) and it's no longer trying to swallow all the continents to help end the world, humans are no longer [[FantasticRacism oppressed by Ferals]], and [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl best of all]], he and Morte (who no longer wishes to end the world) are a happy OfficialCouple. Well, great, except the epilogue doesn't show ''any'' Ferals except [[OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding Taupy, Rhi'a, and Naja]]. What happened to the rest? Rhi'a is seen chasing after a house cat who resembles Felis Rex, so perhaps they've been turned into ordinary animals - a fitting end to those who were oppressive, sure, but the game points out that Ferals are as diverse as humans in personality; some are cruel and some are kind. On top of that, the only reason Kyrie has control of his powers is ThePowerOfLove, and he and Morte are teenagers: what happens if they break up, like so many other teenagers tend to do? Worse yet, the Crimson Sun gave Morte the Destruct Code that controls Kyrie's powers, and the only reason she's [[LoveRedeems no longer interested in ending the world]] is because Kyrie is WorthLivingFor; she's still shown to be temperamental and prone to acting before she thinks. So if Kyrie ever falls out of love and breaks her heart, she's [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum likely to end the world in a fit of anger]] because she now knows ''exactly'' how to do it, and he'd be powerless to stop her. Oops.



** The ending of ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' can fall into this based on your interpretation. At the end, the survivors wake up with their memories but, for whatever reason, they remain sane and stay behind on Jabberwock Island to restore their comatose friends. If you think that they succeed, as Naegi said they would this is pretty decent. If you think the opposite, then the survivors are doomed to waste the rest of their lives tending to their braindead loved ones. Even then, there's the problematic fact that the students are known to the world as world destroying terrorists and have most likely no surviving loved ones and that Naegi and his allies are likely going to end up in hot water with the Future Foundation over what happened. To top it off, Komaeda is implied to of been KilledOffForReal and, even if he does wake up, he's in a situation he most likely doesn't want, has no one left to trust him and only has a few years left to live. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' is set to at least address this and, judging off the promo image, it looks like the part with Naegi unfortunately came true.

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** The ending of ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' can fall into this based on your interpretation. At the end, the survivors wake up with their memories but, for whatever reason, they remain sane and stay behind on Jabberwock Island to restore their comatose friends. If you think that they succeed, as Naegi said they would this is pretty decent. If you think the opposite, then the survivors are doomed to waste the rest of their lives tending to their braindead loved ones. Even then, there's the problematic fact that the students are known to the world as world destroying world-destroying terrorists and have most likely no surviving loved ones and that Naegi and his allies are likely going to end up in hot water with the Future Foundation over what happened. To top it off, Komaeda is implied to of been KilledOffForReal and, even if he does wake up, he's in a situation he most likely doesn't want, has no one left to trust him and only has a few years left to live. ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'' is set to at least address this and, judging off the promo image, it looks like the part with Naegi unfortunately came true.
28th Feb '17 7:25:54 AM Brickmaster4496
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** Supposedly he got so angry over the ending, he ''blew out his microphone while recording the review''.
21st Feb '17 4:21:15 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* A lot of stories or comics based around the artist's FetishFuel tend to end this way, since a lot of them are either inexperienced writers or [[MST3KMantra don't want to imply that what they drew/wrote about]] [[DontLikeDontRead would be nightmarish in the real world.]] Characters can end up KilledOffForReal, suffer AFateWorseThanDeath, [[BodyHorror end up horrifically mutilated]], endure MindRape ([[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil or straight-up rape]]), cross the DespairEventHorizon, or the entire planet could suffer from an ApocalypseHow scenario, and yet the comic/story/series will still try to end on a happy note. The perpetrator will often get off scot-free ([[LaserGuidedKarma unless the story decides]] [[AssholeVictim to side with the "protagonist"]]), the victim(s) will enjoy their scenario ([[ConvenientlyCommonKink often a little too much]]) or begin to enjoy it after some other characters get them "out of their shell," and many background characters will either suffer BehindTheBlack or be neutral to/[[ConvenientlyCommonKink aroused by]] it.
21st Feb '17 4:16:25 PM AutumnLeaves
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* ''The Book of Masters'', as many of the viewers agreed, made the mistakes of a) floating undecidedly somewhere between a classical fairytale, a parody of such, and GreyAndGrayMorality fantasy b) miscasting TheHero. The ending has formally all official couples getting a happy ending and the WickedWitch making a HeelFaceTurn (or rather getting a face-heel-brainwashing curse lifted). Actually, the viewers hated the main heroine (a somewhat naive but clever and responsible girl) marrying an infantile idiot, while the AntiVillain who would have been much more suitable for her not only is rejected, but gets turned to stone to save her life and no one even remembers him in the end. On top of it all, the fates of EnsembleDarkhorse minor characters [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse aren't specified at all]].
** To make it worse, if you stick with the realistic fantasy interpretation, the main heroine is now doomed to serfdom, as marrying a serf in the feudalism era made you one as well, even if you were a princess.
21st Feb '17 3:58:14 PM AutumnLeaves
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* The ending to ''Jenufa'', another of Janaček's operas, is either that or BittersweetEnding. Depends on the production, on the tenor who sings Laca, and on your interpretation. To put it short, the heroine, after all sorts of suffering, finds true love with the man who has previously scarred her for life in a fit of jealous rage, effectively frightening off all suitors except himself. He says he has repented and admits that by disfiguring the girl he caused many of the subsequent tragic events of the opera. If his remorse (and Jenufa's forgiveness) are convincing, then it's classic bittersweet. If not, it's this trope.
21st Feb '17 11:58:40 AM Eon-the-Dragon
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* A lot of stories or comics based around the artist's FetishFuel tend to end this way, since a lot of them are either inexperienced writers or [[MST3KMantra don't want to imply that what they drew/wrote about]] [[DontLikeDontRead would be nightmarish in the real world.]] Characters can end up KilledOffForReal, suffer AFateWorseThanDeath, [[BodyHorror end up horrifically mutilated]], endure MindRape ([[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil or straight-up rape]]), cross the DespairEventHorizon, or the entire planet could suffer from an ApocalypseHow scenario, and yet the comic/story/series will still try to end on a happy note. The perpetrator will often get off scot-free ([[LaserGuidedKarma unless the story decides]] [[AssholeVictim to side with the "protagonist"]]), the victim(s) will enjoy their scenario ([[ConvenientlyCommonKink often a little too much]]) or begin to enjoy it after some other characters get them "out of their shell," and many background characters will either suffer BehindTheBlack or be neutral/[[ConvenientlyCommonKink be aroused as well]] to it.

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* A lot of stories or comics based around the artist's FetishFuel tend to end this way, since a lot of them are either inexperienced writers or [[MST3KMantra don't want to imply that what they drew/wrote about]] [[DontLikeDontRead would be nightmarish in the real world.]] Characters can end up KilledOffForReal, suffer AFateWorseThanDeath, [[BodyHorror end up horrifically mutilated]], endure MindRape ([[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil or straight-up rape]]), cross the DespairEventHorizon, or the entire planet could suffer from an ApocalypseHow scenario, and yet the comic/story/series will still try to end on a happy note. The perpetrator will often get off scot-free ([[LaserGuidedKarma unless the story decides]] [[AssholeVictim to side with the "protagonist"]]), the victim(s) will enjoy their scenario ([[ConvenientlyCommonKink often a little too much]]) or begin to enjoy it after some other characters get them "out of their shell," and many background characters will either suffer BehindTheBlack or be neutral/[[ConvenientlyCommonKink be neutral to/[[ConvenientlyCommonKink aroused as well]] to by]] it.
21st Feb '17 11:56:30 AM Eon-the-Dragon
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* A lot of stories or comics based around the artist's FetishFuel tend to end this way, since a lot of them are either inexperienced writers or [[MST3KMantra don't want to imply that what they drew/wrote about]] [[DontLikeDontRead would be nightmarish in the real world.]] Characters can end up KilledOffForReal, suffer AFateWorseThanDeath, [[BodyHorror end up horrifically mutilated]], endure MindRape ([[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil or straight-up rape]]), cross the DespairEventHorizon, or the entire planet could suffer from an ApocalypseHow scenario, and yet the comic/story/series will still try to end on a happy note. The perpetrator will often get off scot-free ([[LaserGuidedKarma unless the story decides]] [[AssholeVictim to side with the "protagonist"]]), the victim(s) will enjoy their scenario ([[ConvenientlyCommonKink often a little too much]]) or begin to enjoy it after some other characters get them "out of their shell," and many background characters will either suffer BehindTheBlack or be neutral/[[ConvenientlyCommonKink be aroused as well]] to it.
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