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2nd Jun '17 11:40:42 PM Nakuyabi
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* TheBible ''kinda'' has one of these in [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings+19:17&version=NIV 1 Kings 19:17]], with God giving Elijah a kind of "flow chart" prophecy: any of the apostate Israelites that the king-to-be Hazael of neighboring Aram doesn't slaughter with his armies, the king-to-be Jehu of Israel will finish off. Anyone who escapes Jehu, Elijah's own successor Elisha will put to death. Each prophecy was then fulfilled in following chapters except for the part about Elisha because it proved unnecessary; so far as the book indicates, Elisha never had to execute anyone himself because ''nobody'' escaped King Jehu's zealous purges.
20th May '17 4:37:33 PM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Vindictus}}'', the main plot is that the goddess will appear when all the fomors are dead. It turns out that the fomors have their own prophesy with a similar outcome. [[spoiler: By the end of Chapter 10, they both start coming true.]]

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* In ''{{Vindictus}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Vindictus}}'', the main plot is that the goddess will appear when all the fomors are dead. It turns out that the fomors have their own prophesy with a similar outcome. [[spoiler: By the end of Chapter 10, they both start coming true.]]
24th Feb '17 10:37:56 PM LadyNorbert
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* One Norweigan folktale has a village idiot make his way to fame and fortune via well-timed ambiguous statements. The last test set before him by the king is to predict the sex of the queen's unborn child; he has her walk towards and away from him before declaring, "When she walks towards me it looks like a boy, but when she walks away it looks like a girl." She gives birth to twins.

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* One Norweigan Norwegian folktale has a village idiot make his way to fame and fortune via well-timed ambiguous statements. The last test set before him by the king is to predict the sex of the queen's unborn child; he has her walk towards and away from him before declaring, "When she walks towards me it looks like a boy, but when she walks away it looks like a girl." She gives birth to twins.



* In Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', the Fates prophesize that Hades will overthrow Zeus at a time when the planets align perfectly unless Hercules fights to stop him. Hades spends most of the rest of the movie doing his darnedest to kill Hercules before the deadline.

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* In Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', the Fates prophesize foretell that Hades will overthrow Zeus at a time when the planets align perfectly unless Hercules fights to stop him. Hades spends most of the rest of the movie doing his darnedest to kill Hercules before the deadline.



** The Skeksis massacred the Gelflings to prevent the healing of the Crystal, following the logic that so long as no Gelfling was alive at the conjunction nobody could repair it. They missed two.
* In ''Film/TheMatrix'', the Oracle examines Neo and says, "But you know what I'm going to say, don't you?" "I'm not the [[ChosenOne One]], he says." The Oracle tells him that he has [[RealityWarper the gift]] but that he seems to be waiting for something--"Your next life, maybe." She then tells him that, soon, Neo's life or that of Morpheus's will hang in the balance, and that he can save himself or Morpheus. Because Neo believes (but the Oracle did ''not'' confirm) that he is not the One, Neo chooses to save Morpheus. Neo dies and arrives [[EnlightenmentSuperpowers in his next life]] once he disbelieves the reality of the Matrix.

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** The Skeksis massacred the Gelflings to prevent the healing of the Crystal, following the logic that so long as no Gelfling was alive at the conjunction conjunction, nobody could repair it. They missed two.
* In ''Film/TheMatrix'', the Oracle examines Neo and says, "But you know what I'm going to say, don't you?" "I'm not the [[ChosenOne One]], [[TheChosenOne One]]," he says." says. The Oracle tells him that he has [[RealityWarper the gift]] but that he seems to be waiting for something--"Your something. "Your next life, maybe." She then tells him that, soon, Neo's life or and that of Morpheus's Morpheus will hang in the balance, and that he can save himself or Morpheus. Because Neo believes (but the Oracle did ''not'' confirm) that he is not the One, Neo chooses to save Morpheus. Neo dies and arrives [[EnlightenmentSuperpowers in his next life]] once he disbelieves the reality of the Matrix.



* The prophecy at the heart of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' novels does not describe the eventual triumph of good over evil, but instead simply declares that Harry and Voldemort are destined to battle each other to the death. The ''aftermath'' of that battle is not something the prophecy is concerned with.
** When the prophecy was made it specified a child who could be either Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom, and only Voldemort's actions settled it on Harry.

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* The prophecy at the heart of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' novels does not describe the eventual triumph of good over evil, but instead simply declares that Harry and Voldemort are destined to battle each other to the death. The ''aftermath'' of that battle is not something with which the prophecy is concerned with.
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** When the prophecy was made made, it specified a child who could be either Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom, and only Voldemort's actions settled it on Harry.



** Also used in one of the prophecies regarding Mat Cauthon, who was told "You will go to Rhuidean." He asked the prophet "Why do I have to go," and was told "If you do not, you will die." Mat could theoretically tell his destiny to screw off, if he was willing to die for it and possibly doom the world.

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** Also used in one of the prophecies regarding Mat Cauthon, who was told "You will go to Rhuidean." He asked the prophet prophet, "Why do I have to go," go?" and was told "If you do not, you will die." Mat could theoretically tell his destiny to screw off, if he was willing to die for it and possibly doom the world.



* ''{{Series/Lexx}}'' has the Time Prophet basically state that a Brunene-G will destroy His Divine Shadow. So, of course, HDS kills all of the Brunen-G... Only to turn the last one into a BrainwashedAndCrazy undead assassin. It was a specific case of His Shadow trying to ScrewDestiny, since He never thought that Kai would recover from being brainwashed (not so much the undead bit), nor that Kai would just so happen to have a brain-eating Cluster Lizard handy when His Shadow transferred back into the body of a [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere planet-sized Insect]]. Although the prophecy ITSELF is cut and dry, it falls into this trope because the Time Prophet specifically makes her predictions by looking "more or less into the [[HistoryRepeats cycles of Future-Past]]", which basically means "Since all this happened this way before under different names, it will happen again, probably, unless it doesn't".

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* ''{{Series/Lexx}}'' has the Time Prophet basically state that a Brunene-G will destroy His Divine Shadow. So, of course, HDS kills all of the Brunen-G... Only to turn the last one into a BrainwashedAndCrazy undead assassin. It was a specific case of His Shadow trying to ScrewDestiny, since He never thought that Kai would recover from being brainwashed (not so much the undead bit), nor that Kai would just so happen to have a brain-eating Cluster Lizard handy when His Shadow transferred back into the body of a [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere planet-sized Insect]]. Although the prophecy ITSELF ''itself'' is cut and dry, it falls into this trope because the Time Prophet specifically makes her predictions by looking "more or less into the [[HistoryRepeats cycles of Future-Past]]", which basically means "Since all this happened this way before under different names, it will happen again, probably, unless it doesn't".



* ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}'' parodies this during TheReveal. [[spoiler:If a vampiress can produce a {{Dhampyr}}, which Roxanne managed to do thanks to modern fertilization techniques, she'll lose all the standard weaknesses and the need for blood while retaining all the assets. It's prophesied that she'll someday rule over mankind--unless she gives into her still-existing ''[[HorrorHunger desire]]'' for blood, in which case she'll be returned to normal having gained nothing. "[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And her APR would shoot up to 29.97%.]]"]]

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}'' parodies this during TheReveal. [[spoiler:If a vampiress can produce a {{Dhampyr}}, which Roxanne managed to do thanks to modern fertilization techniques, she'll lose all the standard weaknesses and the need for blood while retaining all the assets. It's prophesied that she'll someday rule over mankind--unless mankind... unless she gives into her still-existing ''[[HorrorHunger desire]]'' for blood, in which case she'll be returned to normal having gained nothing. "[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And her APR would shoot up to 29.97%.]]"]]



* The game ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' revolves around a prophecy of multiversal destruction written in a book called the Dark Prognosticus, rivaled by a prophecy that the multiverse will be saved by a band of heroes written the book's Good Counterpart, the Light Prognosticus.

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* The game ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' revolves around a prophecy of multiversal destruction written in a book called the Dark Prognosticus, Prognosticus; this is rivaled by a prophecy that the multiverse will be saved by a band of heroes heroes, as written in the book's Good Counterpart, GoodCounterpart, the Light Prognosticus.
12th Feb '17 8:35:54 PM Madrugada
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* Creator/DavidEddings loves this. ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' has two competing prophecies which, combined, amount to one big Either-Or Prophecy. In the sequel series, the same continues in a slightly tweaked form, so that the winning future is determined by one person who is supposed to be totally impartial. [[spoiler: The dark prophecy tries to cheat at the last second... and it backfires, as they send the person making the choice into such a meltdown that she throws herself at the light prophecy.]]

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* Creator/DavidEddings loves this. ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' by Ceator/DavidEddings has this trope as the underlying premise of the whole series. There are two competing prophecies which, combined, amount to one big Either-Or Prophecy. In the sequel series, the same continues in a slightly tweaked form, so that the winning future is determined by one person who is supposed to be totally impartial. [[spoiler: The dark prophecy tries to cheat at the last second... and it backfires, as they send the person making the choice into such a meltdown that she throws herself at the light prophecy.]]



** The very same prophecy also mentions his beloved will betray him. It's never explained completely, but I assume it meant that they both thought she was betraying him, while later they both realised she had not been betraying him. Or something.
*** His beloved ''has to'' betray him (and it is foretold that she will do so [[spoiler: "in her blood"]]) in order for him to [[spoiler: enter the Temple of the Winds through [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the Path of the Betrayed]]]]. And she does. Once [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she realizes]], she begs the only witness not to tell Richard. The witness's response: [[spoiler: "I think 'Richard' already knows."]]

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** The very same prophecy also mentions his beloved will betray him. It's never explained completely, but I assume it meant that they both thought she was betraying him, while later they both realised she had not been betraying him. Or something.
*** His beloved
She ''has to'' betray him (and it is foretold that she will do so [[spoiler: "in her blood"]]) so) in order for him to [[spoiler: enter the Temple of the Winds through [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the Path of the Betrayed]]]]. And she does. Once [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she realizes]], she begs the only witness not to tell Richard. The witness's response: [[spoiler: "I think 'Richard' already knows."]]



* In ''Literature/TheLastRune'' series people are trying to save or kill Travis since he's fated to both save and destroy the world (usually based on how optimistic they are). Turns out he destroyes the world then rebuilds it exactly the same only without the BigBad.

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* In ''Literature/TheLastRune'' series people are trying to save or kill Travis since he's fated to both save and destroy the world (usually based on how optimistic they are). Turns out he destroyes destroys the world then rebuilds it exactly the same only without the BigBad.
9th Feb '17 5:28:51 AM Tungul
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* The ''Literature/TheDarkswordTrilogy'' revolves around one, though initially no one is aware of this information, as the prophet who delivered it died before he could finish.
--->''There will be born one to the Royal House one who is dead yet will live, who will die again and live again. And when he returns, he will hold in his hand the destruction of the world... [[spoiler:...Or its salvation.]]''
9th Dec '16 8:31:32 AM MrThorfan64
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* Historical example: King Croesus of Lydia asked the Oracle of Delphi what the result would be if he took his troops across the Halys River and attacked the Persians. Her answer was, "If you do, a great empire will be destroyed." The seer didn't specify ''which'' great empire. In the end, it was Croesus' kingdom, not Persia, that was destroyed, but the seer would have been "right" either way--but note that there was no way the seer could have known that Lydia or Persia would be utterly crushed (rather than a stalemate or minor gains for one side or another). That makes this a classic example of the trope, eliminating all possible middle ground.

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* Historical example: King Croesus of Lydia asked the Oracle of Delphi what the result would be if he took his troops across the Halys River and attacked the Persians. Her answer was, "If you do, a great empire will be destroyed." The seer didn't specify ''which'' great empire. In the end, it was Croesus' kingdom, not Persia, that was destroyed, but the seer would have been "right" either way--but note that there was no way the seer could have known that Lydia or Persia would be utterly crushed (rather than a stalemate or minor gains for one side or another). That makes this a classic example of the trope, eliminating all possible middle ground. According to Herodotus, after Croesus was defeated he asked the Oracle why they were so ungrateful and was told he should have then asked them to specify which Empire would be destroyed.
4th Dec '16 8:12:47 AM seska1729
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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.

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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor During the reckoning, the Bajorans will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.



--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, I highly doubt it's the latter.

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--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, inscriptions, I highly doubt it's the latter.would bet on horrible suffering.



-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]''

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-->-- --> ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]''
4th Dec '16 8:11:02 AM seska1729
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-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]

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-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]
4th Dec '16 8:10:12 AM seska1729
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-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]

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-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]
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4th Dec '16 8:09:51 AM seska1729
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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.
--> '''Sisko''': [[LampshadeHanging Eat fruit?]]
--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, I highly doubt it's the latter.
-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]
-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]
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