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11th Dec '15 12:02:24 PM eowynjedi
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', you find a series of tablets in Waterfall that describe a prophecy in which an angel will either free monsterkind from its underground prison or destroy them all. Given the lines you hear during a GameOver, it might refer to the PlayerCharacter. [[spoiler:It actually refers to Asriel, the son of Asgore and Toriel, who turned evil as a result of losing his soul and goes OneWingedAngel in the true ending... he's all set to be the destroyer, but Frisk convinces him to do the other thing.]]
21st Nov '15 10:11:11 AM nombretomado
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* ''{{Candorville}}'' parodies this during TheReveal. [[spoiler:If a vampiress can produce a {{Dhampyr}}, which Roxanne managed to do thanks to modern fertilization techniques, she'll lose all the standard weaknesses and the need for blood while retaining all the assets. It's prophesied that she'll someday rule over mankind--unless she gives into her still-existing ''[[HorrorHunger desire]]'' for blood, in which case she'll be returned to normal having gained nothing. "[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And her APR would shoot up to 29.97%.]]"]]
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* ''{{Candorville}}'' ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}'' parodies this during TheReveal. [[spoiler:If a vampiress can produce a {{Dhampyr}}, which Roxanne managed to do thanks to modern fertilization techniques, she'll lose all the standard weaknesses and the need for blood while retaining all the assets. It's prophesied that she'll someday rule over mankind--unless she gives into her still-existing ''[[HorrorHunger desire]]'' for blood, in which case she'll be returned to normal having gained nothing. "[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And her APR would shoot up to 29.97%.]]"]]
8th Oct '15 10:40:57 PM nombretomado
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* In ''PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', there is a prophecy that a half-blood child of one of the big three will either save the Olympian gods or damn them... [[spoiler: or so we believe for the whole freaking series. what it actually says is that ''when'' the next child of the big three turns 16, ''a'' hero will make a choice to save or damn he Olympian gods...this hero and the halfblood aren't the same person.]]
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* In ''PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', there is a prophecy that a half-blood child of one of the big three will either save the Olympian gods or damn them... [[spoiler: or so we believe for the whole freaking series. what it actually says is that ''when'' the next child of the big three turns 16, ''a'' hero will make a choice to save or damn he Olympian gods...this hero and the halfblood aren't the same person.]]
5th Jul '15 5:38:12 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Lexx}}'' has the Time Prophet basically state that a Brunene-G will destroy His Divine Shadow. So, of course, HDS kills all of the Brunen-G... Only to turn the last one into a BrainwashedAndCrazy undead assassin. It was a specific case of His Shadow trying to ScrewDestiny, since He never thought that Kai would recover from being brainwashed (not so much the undead bit), nor that Kai would just so happen to have a brain-eating Cluster Lizard handy when His Shadow transferred back into the body of a [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere planet-sized Insect]]. Although the prophecy ITSELF is cut and dry, it falls into this trope because the Time Prophet specifically makes her predictions by looking "more or less into the [[HistoryRepeats cycles of Future-Past]]", which basically means "Since all this happened this way before under different names, it will happen again, probably, unless it doesn't".
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* ''{{Lexx}}'' ''{{Series/Lexx}}'' has the Time Prophet basically state that a Brunene-G will destroy His Divine Shadow. So, of course, HDS kills all of the Brunen-G... Only to turn the last one into a BrainwashedAndCrazy undead assassin. It was a specific case of His Shadow trying to ScrewDestiny, since He never thought that Kai would recover from being brainwashed (not so much the undead bit), nor that Kai would just so happen to have a brain-eating Cluster Lizard handy when His Shadow transferred back into the body of a [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere planet-sized Insect]]. Although the prophecy ITSELF is cut and dry, it falls into this trope because the Time Prophet specifically makes her predictions by looking "more or less into the [[HistoryRepeats cycles of Future-Past]]", which basically means "Since all this happened this way before under different names, it will happen again, probably, unless it doesn't".
3rd Jul '15 11:21:25 PM nombretomado
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* LegacyOfKain, Raziel sees murals depicting two champions that will battle each other to decide the fate of Nosgoth, but the victory is undetermined as the murals show both champions slaying the other. Then in a serious ProphecyTwist, we find out [[spoiler:Raziel is ''both'' champions at once. He ultimately allows himself to die because this is the only way he can "win," effectively meaning ''both'' outcomes of the prophecy are fulfilled - because the two champions are the same person, they both win, and they both lose.]]
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* LegacyOfKain, ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'': Raziel sees murals depicting two champions that will battle each other to decide the fate of Nosgoth, but the victory is undetermined as the murals show both champions slaying the other. Then in a serious ProphecyTwist, we find out [[spoiler:Raziel is ''both'' champions at once. He ultimately allows himself to die because this is the only way he can "win," effectively meaning ''both'' outcomes of the prophecy are fulfilled - because the two champions are the same person, they both win, and they both lose.]]
23rd Jun '15 9:30:52 PM ShorinBJ
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* LegacyofKain, Raziel sees murals depicting two champions that will battle each other to decide the fate of Nosgoth, but the victory is undetermined as the murals show both champions slaying the other. Then in a serious ProphecyTwist, we find out [[spoiler:Raziel is ''both'' champions at once. He ultimately allows himself to die because this is the only way he can "win," effectively meaning ''both'' outcomes of the prophecy are fulfilled - because the two champions are the same person, they both win, and they both lose.]]
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* LegacyofKain, LegacyOfKain, Raziel sees murals depicting two champions that will battle each other to decide the fate of Nosgoth, but the victory is undetermined as the murals show both champions slaying the other. Then in a serious ProphecyTwist, we find out [[spoiler:Raziel is ''both'' champions at once. He ultimately allows himself to die because this is the only way he can "win," effectively meaning ''both'' outcomes of the prophecy are fulfilled - because the two champions are the same person, they both win, and they both lose.]]
17th May '15 10:09:51 PM Ptorquemada
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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and goes for the last one. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, engineered circumstances that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his Mark of Justice curse, and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and goes for the last one. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his Mark of Justice curse, and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
10th Mar '15 7:01:26 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'', Thomas Covenant is prophesied to "save or damn" the world.
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* In ''ChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'', ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'', Thomas Covenant is prophesied to "save or damn" the world.
27th Feb '15 11:52:29 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The Usurpation of the Solar Deliberative in ''{{Exalted}}'' was triggered when the Sidereals read the Loom of Fate and noticed a gigantic celestial clusterfuck would ensue if the Solars kept doing things as they were. They could either tell the Solars about this and hope that they'd yield to the advice, or overthrow the Solars and ensure that the crisis did not come to pass. They chose the latter, which had its own string of nasty side effects. The best part? Due to the manifestation of the Great Curse upon the Sidereals, the choice to kill them all did ''not'' avert the dark and miserable future that would come if they failed to persuade the Solars -- it only delayed it, and if not for the careless arrogance of the forces of Evil, there wouldn't have been any Solars to stand in the way. * The Draconic Prophecy in the DungeonsAndDragons setting {{Eberron}} can be said to follow this trope; it describes the inevitable results of certain events, while remaining silent as to whether these events will ever happen. This works out perfectly for adventures: If event X happens, event Y will happen. If you want to prevent or cause event Y, you've got to worry about event X.
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* The Usurpation of the Solar Deliberative in ''{{Exalted}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' was triggered when the Sidereals read the Loom of Fate and noticed a gigantic celestial clusterfuck would ensue if the Solars kept doing things as they were. They could either tell the Solars about this and hope that they'd yield to the advice, or overthrow the Solars and ensure that the crisis did not come to pass. They chose the latter, which had its own string of nasty side effects. The best part? Due to the manifestation of the Great Curse upon the Sidereals, the choice to kill them all did ''not'' avert the dark and miserable future that would come if they failed to persuade the Solars -- it only delayed it, and if not for the careless arrogance of the forces of Evil, there wouldn't have been any Solars to stand in the way. * The Draconic Prophecy in the DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' setting {{Eberron}} TabletopGame/{{Eberron}} can be said to follow this trope; it describes the inevitable results of certain events, while remaining silent as to whether these events will ever happen. This works out perfectly for adventures: If event X happens, event Y will happen. If you want to prevent or cause event Y, you've got to worry about event X.
18th Feb '15 11:58:22 PM JasonJD48
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* This is seen somewhat in ''{{Dune}}'', where Paul and later Leto II can see possible futures and must choose the best one to carry out.
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* This is seen somewhat in ''{{Dune}}'', ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'', where Paul and later Leto II can see possible futures and must choose the best one to carry out.
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