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9th Dec '16 8:31:32 AM MrThorfan64
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* Historical example: King Croesus of Lydia asked the Oracle of Delphi what the result would be if he took his troops across the Halys River and attacked the Persians. Her answer was, "If you do, a great empire will be destroyed." The seer didn't specify ''which'' great empire. In the end, it was Croesus' kingdom, not Persia, that was destroyed, but the seer would have been "right" either way--but note that there was no way the seer could have known that Lydia or Persia would be utterly crushed (rather than a stalemate or minor gains for one side or another). That makes this a classic example of the trope, eliminating all possible middle ground.

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* Historical example: King Croesus of Lydia asked the Oracle of Delphi what the result would be if he took his troops across the Halys River and attacked the Persians. Her answer was, "If you do, a great empire will be destroyed." The seer didn't specify ''which'' great empire. In the end, it was Croesus' kingdom, not Persia, that was destroyed, but the seer would have been "right" either way--but note that there was no way the seer could have known that Lydia or Persia would be utterly crushed (rather than a stalemate or minor gains for one side or another). That makes this a classic example of the trope, eliminating all possible middle ground. According to Herodotus, after Croesus was defeated he asked the Oracle why they were so ungrateful and was told he should have then asked them to specify which Empire would be destroyed.
4th Dec '16 8:12:47 AM seska1729
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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.

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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor During the reckoning, the Bajorans will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.



--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, I highly doubt it's the latter.

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--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, inscriptions, I highly doubt it's the latter.would bet on horrible suffering.



-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]''

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-->-- --> ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]''
4th Dec '16 8:11:02 AM seska1729
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-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]

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-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]
4th Dec '16 8:10:12 AM seska1729
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-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]

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-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]
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4th Dec '16 8:09:51 AM seska1729
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--> '''Dax''': The people of Bajor will either suffer horribly, or... eat fruit.
--> '''Sisko''': [[LampshadeHanging Eat fruit?]]
--> '''Dax''': Given the tone of the rest of the prophecy, I highly doubt it's the latter.
-->-- Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine: [[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS6E21TheReckoning "The Reckoning"]]
-->-- ''The answer? [[spoiler: Eat fruit. Look at what Kira is eating at the start of the episode.]]
18th Sep '16 1:06:45 PM Eddy1215
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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html goes]] [[SelFulfillingProphecy for the last one]]. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his [[RestrainingBoltMark of Justice curse]], and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]

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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html goes]] [[SelFulfillingProphecy [[SelfFulfillingProphecy for the last one]]. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his [[RestrainingBoltMark [[RestrainingBolt Mark of Justice curse]], and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
18th Sep '16 1:05:44 PM Eddy1215
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* "Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':

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* "Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
18th Sep '16 1:05:17 PM Eddy1215
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
* "Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
** Belkar asks the question from the Oracle:
--> "Do I get to cause the death of any of the following: Miko, Miko's stupid horse, Roy, Vaarsuvius or you?"
** The answer is of course [[MathematiciansAnswer "yes"]].
** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and goes [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html for the last one]]. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his [[RestrainingBoltMark of Justice curse]], and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
* "Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
** Belkar asks the question from the Oracle:
--> "Do I get to cause the death of any of the following: Miko, Miko's stupid horse, Roy, Vaarsuvius or you?"
** The answer is of course [[MathematiciansAnswer "yes"]].
** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html goes]] [[SelFulfillingProphecy for the last one]]. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his [[RestrainingBoltMark of Justice curse]], and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
[[/folder]]
18th Sep '16 1:01:07 PM Eddy1215
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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and goes for the last one. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his Mark of Justice curse, and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]

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** [[spoiler:When Belkar complains that the prophecy didn't come true, the Oracle tries to convince him that he [[HalfTruth caused all of their deaths already]]. Belkar doesn't buy the ProphecyTwist so well and goes [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html for the last one.one]]. Except that it turns out that the Oracle was CrazyPrepared, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0568.html engineered circumstances]] that resulted in the murder backfiring on Belkar through his Mark [[RestrainingBoltMark of Justice curse, curse]], and arranged for clerics to resurrect him after Belkar left.]]
26th Jun '16 2:17:48 PM cybertoy0
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** Incidentally, Belkar himself is prophesized to "Draw his last breath- Ever -before the end of the year"
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