History Main / EasyEvangelism

16th Mar '17 7:02:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* [[GenreSavvy Because of the many precedents]], Mohammed outright refused to ask God for any miracles to prove to the crowds that he was a true prophet. Other prophets had done it before, and the people never believed them.

to:

* [[GenreSavvy Because of the many precedents]], precedents, Mohammed outright refused to ask God for any miracles to prove to the crowds that he was a true prophet. Other prophets had done it before, and the people never believed them.
15th Mar '17 4:33:48 AM Shadowgazer
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** On the other hand, both also have minor and humorous examples of [[spoiler: AesopAmnesia as in ''L'Héritage de Rantanplan'' Oggie becomes obsessed with a cat this time and in ''Asterix in Corsica'' one of the feuding families gets into another vendetta.]]
1st Mar '17 5:33:19 AM HighCrate
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* There's a lot of debate about whether [[spoiler: Scar's]] conversion to the side of pacifism in the manga and second anime of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' falls into this. It is a little hard to believe that when Major Miles tells him about how he chose to change the government by joining it, and encourages peaceful resistance, that [[spoiler: Scar]] had never considered that. Also, joining the government is only an option for Miles because he's not a full-blooded Ishvalan, like [[spoiler: Scar]] is.

to:

* There's a lot of debate about whether [[spoiler: Scar's]] conversion to the side of pacifism in the manga and second anime of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' falls into this.''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. It is a little hard to believe that when Major Miles tells him about how he chose to change the government by joining it, and encourages peaceful resistance, that [[spoiler: Scar]] had never considered that. Also, joining the government is only an option for Miles because he's not a full-blooded Ishvalan, like [[spoiler: Scar]] is.
28th Feb '17 8:08:03 PM Erda
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the Briggs arc of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Alphonse manages to convince a pair of chimeras to join his side and abandon their fatalism with a single lecture. It helps that they weren't aware of the full extent of how evil their bosses' plans were, and that [[YouHaveFailedMe they would have been killed for failure]]. And that all he had to do was show that he was like them: a victim of alchemy. Al's belief that all of them could return to their old bodies gave them hope. Plus, that plan was ''really'' evil.

to:

* In There's a lot of debate about whether [[spoiler: Scar's]] conversion to the Briggs arc of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Alphonse manages to convince a pair of chimeras to join his side of pacifism in the manga and abandon their fatalism with a single lecture. second anime of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' falls into this. It helps is a little hard to believe that they weren't aware of when Major Miles tells him about how he chose to change the full extent of how evil their bosses' plans were, government by joining it, and encourages peaceful resistance, that [[YouHaveFailedMe they would have been killed [[spoiler: Scar]] had never considered that. Also, joining the government is only an option for failure]]. And that all he had to do was show that he was Miles because he's not a full-blooded Ishvalan, like them: a victim of alchemy. Al's belief that all of them could return to their old bodies gave them hope. Plus, that plan was ''really'' evil.[[spoiler: Scar]] is.
21st Feb '17 9:13:12 PM LB7979
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Some vegans/vegetarians seem to honestly believe that people who eat meat somehow don't know that meat comes from animals. They seem to think that holding up a picture of a pig and saying, "This is where your bacon comes from!" should be enough to convert any meat-eater.\\\
And there are also a ton of meat-eaters who think they can talk someone out of vegetarianism/veganism just by gushing about how delicious bacon is or reminding them of some extremely obvious fact like that humans are omnivores. Let's face it, this comes up from all sides with just about any dietary discussion, which is why they tend to lead to {{Flame War}}s.
27th Jan '17 12:13:27 AM Yozzy
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* The backstory of [[VideoGame/Warcraft Warcraft III]] mentions [[TheNecromancer Kel'Thuzad]] had found it surprisingly easy to gain a following when recruiting his fellow Humans from their former faith of [[CrystalDragonJesus the Holy Light]] into the [[ReligionOfEvil Cult of the Damned]][[note]]A splinter group of [[TheNecrocracy the Scourge]], notable for their members still being alive.[[/note]], particularly by promising eternal life and social equality for all (he wasn't ''exactly'' lying, but [[FateWorseThanDeath in the worst possible way]]). His actions proved to be critical to the Scourge's early invasion of the nation of Lordaeron and establishing a presence outside of [[GrimUpNorth Northrend]], and many years later in 'verse and in the franchise, the cult he established, and it's talent for infiltration and subversive tactics, is still an important piece of the Scourge's war apparatus.
17th Jan '17 10:07:18 PM Fireblood
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': The Christian Marines/Maine First Party/Victorians never have any issues getting people to join or aid them in their struggle to resist the corrupt culture of post-1960s America. Partially Justified, since there seems to be a great wave of discontent against the status quo. Still, it is curious that Retroculture is so quickly and easily adopted, nor does anyone balk at the idea of seceding from and making war against the United States.

to:

* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': The Christian Marines/Maine First Party/Victorians never have any issues getting people to join or aid them in their struggle to resist the corrupt culture of post-1960s America. Partially Justified, justified, since there seems to be a great wave of discontent against the status quo. Still, it is curious that Retroculture is so quickly and easily adopted, nor does anyone balk at the idea of seceding from and making war against the United States.



** {{Subverted}} in some episodes, notably in "Guerilla My Dreams", where Hawkeye and co. try their hardest to save a captured woman from the South Korean agent who suspects her of being a guerrilla and is bringing her in to be tortured and executed after she is healed. At the end, the agent stands there and translates what the woman says at the surgeons.

to:

** {{Subverted}} in some episodes, notably in "Guerilla My Dreams", where Hawkeye and co. try their hardest to save a captured woman from the South Korean agent who suspects her of being a communist guerrilla and is bringing her in to be tortured and executed after she is healed. At the end, the agent stands there and translates what the woman says at the surgeons.



* In ''Series/TrueBlood'', Jason Stackhouse undergoes a fast religious conversion at the end of Season 1. Even though he spent all season getting over his vampire bigotry, he converts into TheFundamentalist after a preacher for an anti-vampire sect hands him a tract shortly before he's let out of jail. It helped that, canonically, Jason's [[TooDumbToLive dumb as a post]] and was in the middle of a [[LoveMakesYouDumb major]] [[LoveMakesYouEvil emotional]] [[LoveMakesYouCrazy turmoil]] following the death of his girlfriend. He doesn't ''immediately'' convert, note. He goes to a meeting and expresses his doubts that all vampires are evil. Then the preacher's really hot wife tells him a sob story about her sister being killed by a vampire, and he immediately agrees. Then again, very likely, he wasn't thinking with his head since they do later end up screwing.

to:

* In ''Series/TrueBlood'', Jason Stackhouse undergoes a fast religious conversion at the end of Season 1. Even though he spent all season getting over his vampire bigotry, he converts into TheFundamentalist after a preacher for an anti-vampire sect hands him a tract shortly before he's let out of jail. It helped that, canonically, Jason's [[TooDumbToLive dumb as a post]] and was in the middle of a [[LoveMakesYouDumb major]] [[LoveMakesYouEvil emotional]] [[LoveMakesYouCrazy turmoil]] following the death of his girlfriend. He doesn't ''immediately'' convert, note. He goes to a meeting and expresses his doubts that all vampires are evil. Then the preacher's really hot wife tells him a sob story about her sister being killed by a vampire, and he immediately agrees. Then again, very likely, he wasn't thinking with his head since they do later end up screwing. He also knows that many vampires ''are'' quite evil.



* ''{{Series/Bull}}: Bull convinces Jordan and Susan to break up within minutes, despite what previously seemed to be a very intense relationship between them.

to:

* ''{{Series/Bull}}: ''{{Series/Bull}}'': Bull convinces Jordan and Susan to break up within minutes, despite what previously seemed to be a very intense relationship between them.



** After King David, the Jews repeatedly "did evil in the eyes of the Lord." Kings and Chronicles both mention idolatry as a particular vice of the Jews. God was pretty swift in kicking the Jews in the butt for this, but apparently they were only easily evangelized in one direction... All through the Old Testament, the Jews would be wandering around the desert for a little while, conquering people, and just lapse out of nowhere into worshiping Baal or the rest of the Canaanite religion. That is, they only worshipped God in times of distress as is common with most people but during times of ease and comfort, lapsed into idolatry.

to:

** After King David, the Jews repeatedly "did evil in the eyes of the Lord." Kings and Chronicles both mention idolatry as a particular vice of the Jews. God was pretty swift in kicking the Jews in the butt for this, but apparently they were only easily evangelized in one direction... All through the Old Testament, the Jews would be wandering around the desert for a little while, conquering people, and just lapse out of nowhere into worshiping Baal or the rest of the Canaanite religion. That is, they only worshipped worshiped God in times of distress as is common with most people people, but during times of ease and comfort, comfort lapsed into idolatry.idolatry. Some historians believe this was due to the Hebrews originally worshiping many gods, and slowly transforming to followers of just Yahweh over time. This also explains the First Commandment, which says they should have no other gods ''before'' Yahweh, not only implying they believed the other gods existed, but that it was okay to worship them if he was considered first.



** Jesus himself also {{averted}} this in the New Testament. Even though performing miracles is hard to argue with, the general public often didn't agree with him. True, there were huge crowds who listened to him, but there were also a lot of skeptics too. This included the Pharisees and some crowd members who doubted him or believed he was demon-possessed. By the end, most of them left him to be crucified. Although, there were apparently a lot of "miracle workers" in those days, and many of them probably were demon-possessed, insane and/or outright frauds.\\\

to:

** Jesus himself also {{averted}} this in the New Testament. Even though performing miracles is hard to argue with, the general public often didn't agree with him. True, there were huge crowds who listened to him, but there were also a lot of skeptics too. This included the Pharisees and some crowd members who doubted him or believed he was demon-possessed. By the end, most of them left him to be crucified. Although, there were apparently a lot of "miracle workers" in those days, and many of them probably were ''were'' demon-possessed, insane and/or outright frauds.\\\



* You might expect this from ''Radio/AdventuresInOdyssey'', being a heavily Christian-themed show. Many, ''many'' characters convert over the course of the series, but the only truly straight example of the trope in the show's history was Katrina, who discovered Christianity at the beginning of one episode and was a convert before that same episode's halfway point. The show generally takes a RealityEnsues approach, and most conversions come at the end of a lengthy soul-searching story arc, with the longest being those of Connie and Eugene, two of the show's three ''main characters'', who spent a good portion of the series as agnostics but never depicted unsympathetically for it. To top it off, one episode was about how evangelism ''isn't'' easy. On the flipside, there are so few characters who ''don't'' convert that it gets a bit unrealistic.

to:

* You might expect this from ''Radio/AdventuresInOdyssey'', being a heavily Christian-themed show. Many, ''many'' characters convert over the course of the series, but the only truly straight example of the trope in the show's history was Katrina, who discovered Christianity at the beginning of one episode and was a convert before that same episode's halfway point. The show generally takes a RealityEnsues approach, and most conversions come at the end of a lengthy soul-searching story arc, with the longest being those of Connie and Eugene, two of the show's three ''main characters'', who spent a good portion of the series as agnostics but were never depicted unsympathetically for it. To top it off, one episode was about how evangelism ''isn't'' easy. On the flipside, there are so few characters who ''don't'' convert that it gets a bit unrealistic.



* There are cases of this in other religions as well; for example, one common evangelical Christian rebuttal to claims that their religion can't be universally appealing if people de-converted from it, is that those people [[NoTrueScotsman must not have been "truly saved"]].

to:

* There are cases of this in other religions as well; for example, one common evangelical Christian rebuttal to claims that their religion can't be universally appealing if people de-converted left from it, it is that those people [[NoTrueScotsman must not have been "truly saved"]].



** A Catholic example exists in the Story of Our Lady of Guadelupe. Long story short, after all was said and done an entire nation of natives converted to Catholicism. This is less impressive given that it was a population in a Catholic-dominated nation at the time and the natives weren't exactly unfamiliar with Catholicism to begin with. Not sure if this lends credence or not.

to:

** A Catholic example exists in the Story of Our Lady of Guadelupe. Long story short, after all was said and done an entire nation of natives converted to Catholicism. This is less impressive given that it was a population in a Catholic-dominated nation at the time and the natives weren't exactly unfamiliar with Catholicism to begin with. Not sure if this lends it more credence or not.



* Steve Drain visited the Westboro Baptist Church to study them and make an anti-WBC documentary, but somehow they managed to convert him. He and his family ended up joining the church[[note]]His daughter Lauren has since left the church[[/note]]. He did make the documentary, but it was changed to be pro-WBC.

to:

* Steve Drain visited the Westboro Baptist Church to study them and make an anti-WBC documentary, but somehow they managed to convert him. He and his family ended up joining the church[[note]]His church.[[note]]His daughter Lauren has since left the church[[/note]]. church[[/note]] He did make the documentary, but it was changed to be pro-WBC.



* While most missionaries don't see success come as easily as the ones who went to the tribe that was waiting for brothers to bring them a book with the secret to eternal happiness, Christianity has been known to grow rapidly in places where people genuinely are hearing about Jesus for the first time. Christianity had been in China since before it came into Europe (no kidding - look up the Nestorian Christians) but Christian teachings were largely wiped out from Central Asia and China after the coming of Islam and Christianity had to be reintroduced in the form of Roman Catholicism with the coming of the Portuguese in the 17th century. It was repressed a couple of times after that, but there are still more Christians in China than there are members of the Communist Party.
* Averted hard by Judaism. While it ''is'' possible to convert to Judaism and many people have done so, it requires at the very least, being told "no" by a Rabbi several times, ''before'' the "fun" part begins; learning Hebrew and reading the Torah to fully understand Judaism and only ''then'' can you convert and (if male) get circumcised. Fast learners are said to have done the whole thing in a year, but that does of course not count the time they spent curious and ''wishing'' to convert.

to:

* While most missionaries don't see success come as easily as the ones who went to the tribe that was waiting for brothers to bring them a book with the secret to eternal happiness, Christianity has been known to grow rapidly in places where people genuinely are hearing about Jesus for the first time. Christianity had been in China since before it came into Europe (no kidding - look up the Nestorian Christians) but Christian teachings were largely wiped out from Central Asia and China after the coming of Islam Islam, and Christianity had to be reintroduced in the form of Roman Catholicism with the coming of the Portuguese in the 17th century. It was repressed a couple of times after that, but there are still more Christians in China than there are members of the Communist Party.
* Averted hard by Judaism. While it ''is'' possible to convert to Judaism and many people have done so, it requires at the very least, least being told "no" by a Rabbi several times, ''before'' the "fun" part begins; learning begins-learning Hebrew and reading the Torah to fully understand Judaism Judaism, and only ''then'' can you convert and (if male) get circumcised. Fast learners are said to have done the whole thing in a year, but that does of course not count the time they spent curious and ''wishing'' to convert.
17th Jan '17 9:38:38 PM Fireblood
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** When Hedwig listens to the radio together with their mother and the presenter talks about Jesus the mother turns it off. Little Hedwig says quite literally and very serious (like a strong. believer in christianity would sound like): "But Jesus died for our sins!" The mother replied: "So did Hitler."
** Later on Hedwig talks to [[spoiler: later to be Tommy Gnosis]]. He said to Hedwig (in a similar way of absolute seriousness) something like "Did you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour?" - just to explain immedeatly that Jesus died to protect the people ''from'' god - who was so cruel to rip Eva off Adams rips and expelld them from paradise for wanting knowledge about what was wrong and what was right.

to:

** When Hedwig listens to the radio together with their mother and the presenter talks about Jesus the mother turns it off. Little Hedwig says quite literally and very serious (like a strong. strong believer in christianity Christianity would sound like): "But Jesus died for our sins!" The mother replied: "So did Hitler."
** Later on Hedwig talks to [[spoiler: later to be Tommy Gnosis]]. He said to Hedwig (in a similar way of absolute seriousness) something like "Did you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour?" savior?" - just to explain immedeatly immedeately that Jesus died to protect the people ''from'' god - who was so cruel to rip Eva off Adams rips that he expelled Adam and expelld them Eve from paradise for wanting knowledge about what was wrong and what was right.


Added DiffLines:

* ''{{Series/Bull}}: Bull convinces Jordan and Susan to break up within minutes, despite what previously seemed to be a very intense relationship between them.
1st Jan '17 9:57:45 AM Shadozcreep
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Sharon easily becomes a born-again Christian, but it's somewhat justified as she felt her current life was empty. Randy however is also easily converted, though he initially resisted.
23rd Dec '16 11:08:14 PM lucy24
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the book of Victor Hugo's ''Literature/LesMiserables'', the Bishop of Digne, whose whole family was wiped out by the original French Revolution, gets into a debate with a poor zealot of that same revolution on his deathbed. The Bishop, there to administer a final blessing, is at first cold towards the man, and at the end of the debate is on his ''knees'' asking for the revolutionary's blessing. The Bishop might be excused on account of "not having heard the other side of the story", but he ''clearly'' loves his poor parishioners and has turned down a life of wealth on their account. Slightly different in that the revolutionary was not involved in the worst of the excesses, and it's more a case of the bishop learning not to judge people on hearsay.

to:

* In the book of Victor Hugo's ''Literature/LesMiserables'', the Bishop of Digne, whose whole family was wiped out by the original French Revolution, gets into a debate with a poor zealot of that same revolution on his deathbed. The Bishop, there to administer a final blessing, is at first cold towards the man, and at the end of the debate is on his ''knees'' asking for the revolutionary's blessing. The Bishop might be excused on account of "not having heard the other side of the story", but he ''clearly'' loves his poor parishioners and has turned down a life of wealth on their account. Slightly different in that the revolutionary was not involved in the worst of the excesses, and it's more a case of the bishop learning not to judge people on hearsay.
This list shows the last 10 events of 401. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.EasyEvangelism