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8th May '16 7:35:26 PM PaulA
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* In the {{Literature/Flashman}} novel ''Royal Flash'', which is a pastiche of ''ThePrisonerOfZenda'', Flashman has to impersonate a German prince, and since the prince had one of those dueling scars, Flashman has to be given a scar in the same place. Unfortunately the [[KickTheDog villains insisted on giving them to Flashy the traditional way]], instead of just cutting him more precisely with a straight razor. Flashman later gets busted because [[SpotTheImposter the scars don't quite match the man he's impersonating]].

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* In the {{Literature/Flashman}} novel ''Royal Flash'', which is a pastiche of ''ThePrisonerOfZenda'', ''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda'', Flashman has to impersonate a German prince, and since the prince had one of those dueling scars, Flashman has to be given a scar in the same place. Unfortunately the [[KickTheDog villains insisted on giving them to Flashy the traditional way]], instead of just cutting him more precisely with a straight razor. Flashman later gets busted because [[SpotTheImposter the scars don't quite match the man he's impersonating]].



** The two German recruits from the first day at boot camp in ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'' have them. But it's blink and you'd miss it, Johnnie doesn't see the scars, but Zim's dialog indicates they have them.
* ''[[Literature/TheShipWho The City Who Fought]]'' by AnneMcCaffrey and SMStirling. The main character is a WetWareCPU whose onscreen avatar has a dueling scar because he thinks it's cool. Only one other character recognises it.
* ''StarTrekNewFrontier'': Commander, later Captain Mueller. Bonus points for actually being shown swordfighting recreationally in the holodeck.

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** * The two German recruits from the first day at boot camp in ''Literature/StarshipTroopers'' have them. But it's blink and you'd miss it, it; Johnnie doesn't see the scars, but Zim's dialog indicates they have them.
* ''[[Literature/TheShipWho The City Who Fought]]'' ''Literature/TheCityWhoFought'' by AnneMcCaffrey Creator/AnneMcCaffrey and SMStirling.Creator/SMStirling. The main character is a WetWareCPU whose onscreen avatar has a dueling scar because he thinks it's cool. Only one other character recognises it.
* ''StarTrekNewFrontier'': ''Literature/StarTrekNewFrontier'': Commander, later Captain Mueller. Bonus points for actually being shown swordfighting recreationally in the holodeck.
25th Mar '16 9:48:26 PM JackG
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* In the {{Literature/Flashman}} novel ''Royal Flash'', which is a pastiche of ''ThePrisonerOfZenda'', Flashman has to impersonate a German prince, and since the prince had one of those dueling scars, Flashman has to be given a scar in the same place.

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* In the {{Literature/Flashman}} novel ''Royal Flash'', which is a pastiche of ''ThePrisonerOfZenda'', Flashman has to impersonate a German prince, and since the prince had one of those dueling scars, Flashman has to be given a scar in the same place. Unfortunately the [[KickTheDog villains insisted on giving them to Flashy the traditional way]], instead of just cutting him more precisely with a straight razor. Flashman later gets busted because [[SpotTheImposter the scars don't quite match the man he's impersonating]].
19th Dec '15 8:24:31 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[TheShipWho The City Who Fought]]'' by AnneMcCaffrey and SMStirling. The main character is a WetWareCPU whose onscreen avatar has a dueling scar because he thinks it's cool. Only one other character recognises it.

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* ''[[TheShipWho ''[[Literature/TheShipWho The City Who Fought]]'' by AnneMcCaffrey and SMStirling. The main character is a WetWareCPU whose onscreen avatar has a dueling scar because he thinks it's cool. Only one other character recognises it.
7th Dec '15 8:01:15 AM Prfnoff
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* Implied in the MontyPython sketch "It's a Man's Life In The British Dental Association" when Arthur Lemming is sent to the book shop where some shady dealings are happening:

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* Implied in the MontyPython ''Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus'' sketch "It's a Man's Life In The British Dental Association" when Arthur Lemming is sent to the book shop where some shady dealings are happening:



* Vocal jazz group The Manhattan Transfer is known for their cover of the song "The Boy From New York City" (originally by 60's doo-wop group The Ad-Libs). The only lyrical change from the original version swaps out the line "You ought to come and see / His pretty bar / And his brand-new car," for "You ought to come and see / '''His dueling scar''' / And his brand-new car."

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* Vocal jazz group The Manhattan Transfer Music/TheManhattanTransfer is known for their cover of the song "The Boy From New York City" (originally by 60's doo-wop group The Ad-Libs). The only lyrical change from the original version swaps out the line "You ought to come and see / His pretty bar / And his brand-new car," for "You ought to come and see / '''His dueling scar''' / And his brand-new car."
3rd Dec '15 5:23:48 AM Abracadabrantes
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* Lazare Hoche received one right in the middle of his face in 1788, during a duel with a fellow corporal. It is especially noticeable on [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Lazare_Hoche1.jpg this]] posthumous portrait.
21st Nov '15 11:09:19 AM nombretomado
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* In ''RurouniKenshin'', Kenshin got half of his iconic scar in a "duel" to the death (it was really more of a CurbStompBattle, but the man who gave him the scar had such a will to live that he managed to leave his mark).

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* In ''RurouniKenshin'', ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'', Kenshin got half of his iconic scar in a "duel" to the death (it was really more of a CurbStompBattle, but the man who gave him the scar had such a will to live that he managed to leave his mark).
7th Oct '15 11:26:22 AM Koveras
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* In the Anime/{{Lejiverse}}, both Anime/CaptainHarlock and his long-time ally Emeraldas have left-cheek scars that are supposed to suggest this, though they are apparently genetic (Matsumoto's heroes are so badass, they come out of the womb with dueling scars). The origins of Harlock's scar are never discussed, but Emeraldas subverts or plays this trope straight, depending on the particular installment: in ''Arcadia of My Youth'', she is shot in the face by a member of the alien occupation force, but in [[Anime/QueenEmeraldas her own series]], she had received it while dueling Goddess Siren.

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* In the Anime/{{Lejiverse}}, Anime/{{Leijiverse}}, both Anime/CaptainHarlock and his long-time ally Emeraldas have left-cheek scars that are supposed to suggest this, though they are apparently genetic (Matsumoto's heroes are so badass, they come out of the womb with dueling scars). The origins of Harlock's scar are never discussed, but Emeraldas subverts or plays this trope straight, depending on the particular installment: in ''Arcadia of My Youth'', she is shot in the face by a member of the alien occupation force, but in [[Anime/QueenEmeraldas her own series]], she had received it while dueling Goddess Siren.
7th Oct '15 11:26:11 AM Koveras
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* In the Lejiverse Harlock and Emeraldass have left-cheek scars that are supposed to suggest this, though they are apparently genetic (Matsumoto's heroes are so badass, they come out of the womb with dueling scars).
** Arcadia Of My Youth, however, does show how Emeraldas got her scar. She was shot in the face by a member of the alien occupation force.

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* In the Lejiverse Harlock Anime/{{Lejiverse}}, both Anime/CaptainHarlock and Emeraldass his long-time ally Emeraldas have left-cheek scars that are supposed to suggest this, though they are apparently genetic (Matsumoto's heroes are so badass, they come out of the womb with dueling scars).
** Arcadia Of My Youth, however, does show how
scars). The origins of Harlock's scar are never discussed, but Emeraldas got her scar. She was subverts or plays this trope straight, depending on the particular installment: in ''Arcadia of My Youth'', she is shot in the face by a member of the alien occupation force.force, but in [[Anime/QueenEmeraldas her own series]], she had received it while dueling Goddess Siren.
5th Oct '15 8:30:24 PM HeraldAlberich
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These scars resulted from a peculiar tradition, euphemistically called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_fencing Academic Fencing]] - which is still practiced - mostly in the university towns of Germany, but also in Austria, Switzerland, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Flanders. In Germany the weapon is known as a ''schlaeger'', also known as the [[FanNickname "soup-plate of honour"]] due to the large size of the hand guard.

In one of these bouts (called a ''Mensur'') two students stand a fixed distance from one another wearing armor that covers everything but their cheeks, forehead and lips and attempt to slash at the exposed skin of their opponent. There are no points, you lose by flinching or dodging and win by getting sliced in the face. The scar that results is the goal of this practice, the bigger the better! Students would even go so far as to [[WorstAid badly sew the edges together]] or even [[{{Squick}} sew horsehairs into the wound]] to ensure a big, visible scar. The resulting scar is a ''Schmiss'' or Dueling Scar. Until WorldWarII this was seen locally as a [[GoodScarsEvilScars Good Scar]] as it showed that the wearer was educated and brave. In modern practice, these scars are seen more as a sign of poor performance than a sign of manliness, as the goal of a Mensur is to parry each incoming hit and more often than not, a bout ends after a certain number of rounds without anyone having incurred a scar.

If that's all there was to it this wouldn't be a trope, it would be mentioned in [[UsefulNotes/{{Germany}} Useful Notes - Germany]] and that would be the last of it. However, a number of Nazi officers had dueling scars and after the war no serious villainous ''movie'' Nazi - especially a NaziNobleman - would be seen without one.[[note]]Although in point of fact, the Nazis didn't really approve of ''Mensur'' duels and the practice was officially discouraged under the Third Reich.[[/note]] From there the dueling scar became a standard adornment any time casting wanted a quick way to tell the audience that this character was a military man and serious about it, even if the character was not from a country that practiced academic fencing, even if they weren't from Earth at all.

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These scars resulted from a peculiar tradition, euphemistically called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_fencing Academic Fencing]] - which Fencing]]--which is still practiced - mostly practiced--mostly in the university towns of Germany, but also in Austria, Switzerland, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Flanders. In Germany the weapon is known as a ''schlaeger'', also known as the [[FanNickname "soup-plate of honour"]] due to the large size of the hand guard.

In one of these bouts (called a ''Mensur'') two students stand a fixed distance from one another wearing armor that covers everything but their cheeks, forehead and lips and attempt to slash at the exposed skin of their opponent. There are no points, you lose by flinching or dodging and win by getting sliced in the face. The scar that results is the goal of this practice, the bigger the better! Students would even go so far as to [[WorstAid badly sew the edges together]] or even [[{{Squick}} sew horsehairs into the wound]] to ensure a big, visible scar. The resulting scar is a ''Schmiss'' or Dueling Scar. Until WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII this was seen locally as a [[GoodScarsEvilScars Good Scar]] as it showed that the wearer was educated and brave. In modern practice, these scars are seen more as a sign of poor performance than a sign of manliness, as the goal of a Mensur is to parry each incoming hit and more often than not, a bout ends after a certain number of rounds without anyone having incurred a scar.

If that's all there was to it this wouldn't be a trope, it would be mentioned in [[UsefulNotes/{{Germany}} Useful Notes - Germany]] Notes—Germany]] and that would be the last of it. However, a number of Nazi officers had dueling scars and after the war no serious villainous ''movie'' Nazi - especially Nazi--especially a NaziNobleman - would NaziNobleman--would be seen without one.[[note]]Although in point of fact, the Nazis didn't really approve of ''Mensur'' duels and the practice was officially discouraged under the Third Reich.[[/note]] From there the dueling scar became a standard adornment any time casting wanted a quick way to tell the audience that this character was a military man and serious about it, even if the character was not from a country that practiced academic fencing, even if they weren't from Earth at all.


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* The PlanetOfHats in the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS1E3CodeOfHonor "Code of Honor"]] includes a dueling tradition; the leader has a large scar on one cheek and his subordinate, a slightly smaller one on the other.
20th Jul '15 11:14:33 AM Willbyr
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* Guen Ban Chon from {{Area88}} has several on both sides of his face.

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* Guen Ban Chon from {{Area88}} ''Manga/{{Area88}}'' has several on both sides of his face.
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