History Main / DividedStatesOfAmerica

18th May '17 10:05:47 AM Jacob175
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* In ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'' and it's sequel, ''Film/EscapeFromLA'', the title cities have been deliberately cut off from the rest of the country and turned into prison facilities. Still, the United States has also apparently expanded internationally: the second film mentions Bangkok as a U.S. territory.

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* In ''Film/EscapeFromNewYork'' and it's its sequel, ''Film/EscapeFromLA'', the title cities have been deliberately cut off from the rest of the country and turned into prison facilities. Still, the United States has also apparently expanded internationally: the second film mentions Bangkok as a U.S. territory.



* Another Turtledove work, ''The Vally-Westside War'', depicts a US even far more throughly broken up in the aftermath of a nuclear war in 1967. A hundred years later, there are a score of sovereign nations in the territory of the city of Los Angles alone - each with its own national pride, specific system of government, hereditary enemies, miniature national army and even protective tariffs to defend the national product. In the whole of the former US territory there must be many thousands of such mini-states.

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* Another Turtledove work, ''The Vally-Westside War'', depicts a US even far more throughly thoroughly broken up in the aftermath of a nuclear war in 1967. A hundred years later, there are a score of sovereign nations in the territory of the city of Los Angles alone - each with its own national pride, specific system of government, hereditary enemies, miniature national army and even protective tariffs to defend the national product. In the whole of the former US territory there must be many thousands of such mini-states.



* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': The central premise is the dissolution of the United States owing to a combination of hyperinflation, pestilence, and disobedience in the face of growing lawlessness. The heroes occupy the Northern Confederacy/Victoria, a deeply conservative version of New England, and in the South a New Confederacy forms, torn between it's cosmopolitan and rural elements. Past that, Wisconsin is taken over by Nazis, the 'Party of the Will.' Insane parodies of 'Deep Greener' enviornmentalists take over the Pacific Northwest, forming Cascadia. California is renamed Azania, moving the capital to the Berkley campus and outlawing men. The rest is overrun by 'orcs' as minority gangs and rioters are called in-story.

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* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': The central premise is the dissolution of the United States owing to a combination of hyperinflation, pestilence, and disobedience in the face of growing lawlessness. The heroes occupy the Northern Confederacy/Victoria, a deeply conservative version of New England, and in the South a New Confederacy forms, torn between it's cosmopolitan and rural elements. Past that, Wisconsin is taken over by Nazis, the 'Party of the Will.' Insane parodies of 'Deep Greener' enviornmentalists environmentalists take over the Pacific Northwest, forming Cascadia. California is renamed Azania, moving the capital to the Berkley campus and outlawing men. The rest is overrun by 'orcs' as minority gangs and rioters are called in-story.



* In ''Fire On The Mountain'', John Brown enlists Harriet Tubman's aid in his raid on Harper's Ferry and thanks to her support, is successful. As a result, it sparks of a series of slave revolts that coalesce into "Nova Africa", a socialist republic run by former slaves made up of the states that would have become the Confederacy.[[note]]The idea was based on the real life seperatist/social movement "The Republic of New Afrika", which sought to secede states in the Deep South from the United States by a referendum of African Americans and form a new country[[/note]] Additionally, Mexico has taken advantage of the situation by reclaiming California and Texas. A Civil War does still take place, with Abraham Lincoln attempting to reclaim the former states, but the Union ultimately is defeated.

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* In ''Fire On The Mountain'', John Brown enlists Harriet Tubman's aid in his raid on Harper's Ferry and thanks to her support, is successful. As a result, it sparks of a series of slave revolts that coalesce into "Nova Africa", a socialist republic run by former slaves made up of the states that would have become the Confederacy.[[note]]The idea was based on the real life seperatist/social separatist/social movement "The Republic of New Afrika", which sought to secede states in the Deep South from the United States by a referendum of African Americans and form a new country[[/note]] Additionally, Mexico has taken advantage of the situation by reclaiming California and Texas. A Civil War does still take place, with Abraham Lincoln attempting to reclaim the former states, but the Union ultimately is defeated.


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* Referenced in ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000''. Near the end of the movie ''Film/{{Squirm}}'', which takes place in the southern U.S., Crow gets aggravated and tells the South to go ahead and secede again, claiming the North won't stop them this time. Mike quickly tells the South not to listen to the "sad little robot".
3rd May '17 7:08:01 AM Fireblood
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* ''Series/TheHandmaidsTale'': It seems Gilead only covers a portion of the former U.S., with a civil war being fought in other parts (such as Florida, according to Ofglen's comments about the oranges meaning "the fighting is going well" there). Offred mentions that Anchorage is the capital of "what's left of the United States," though it's hard to tell if she means Gilead or what remains of the original government. From the Commander's comment about [[spoiler: going to D.C. for some meetings]], it's probably the latter. It's hard to tell, given that the women in the series have no access to reliable news or other outside information. [[spoiler: Other than Ofglen, because she's in the resistance.]]
26th Apr '17 2:14:29 PM ayjazz
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** Most of Indiana is fairly red, with notable exceptions being the Indianapolis area, the South Bend area, Northwest Indiana, and Bloomington (home to Indiana University.) At a speaking event that UsefulNotes/NeilDeGrasseTyson hosted in South Bend, Tyson joked that finding the cities on a map of Indiana was pretty easy, since they were marked in blue! [[note]]*:For those of you unfamiliar with American politics, blue is the color used to represent Democrats, and is more often than not big in urban areas, where as red is used to mark Republicans, and is more often than not found in rural areas. Tyson was referring to an election map that showed which county in the state voted for which party.[[/note]]
** Bloomington is often called the "San Fransisco" of Indiana. Within city limits, it's a very cosmopolitan city, with bike lanes, diverse populace, majority Democrat government and policies, and out and proud far left organizations. Go a few miles out of town, and it's a complete 180 on politics. People from outside of the country, especially non-white foreigners, are usually advised that while Bloomington is open and welcome, outside of the city may not be as accommodating.
** Northwest Indiana, in contrast to most of the state, is fairly urban, with the majority of its income reliant on being a bedroom community for Chicago, factories, tourism in by the beach areas and commercial services. The area is also heavily Democrat thanks to influences from Chicago and the strong labor union presence due to industry. There are small movements (that haven't gained too much traction) that would love to see Chicago and NWI leave their respective states and form their own state. (Illinois is fairly conservative if you don't count Chicago.)
25th Apr '17 7:24:26 PM PaulA
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* By the end of William R. Forstchen's ''One Second After'' [[spoiler: China has taken over the West Coast, Mexico has grabbed a large chunk of the South West, the US Government controls the East Coast and the rest of the country is more or less up for grabs and in chaos.]]

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* By the end of William R. Forstchen's Creator/WilliamRForstchen's ''One Second After'' [[spoiler: China After'', [[spoiler:China has taken over the West Coast, Mexico has grabbed a large chunk of the South West, the US Government controls the East Coast and the rest of the country is more or less up for grabs and in chaos.]]
17th Apr '17 1:51:27 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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** Contrasting this, the ''richest'' state in the country per capita if the Six Californias plan passed would be '''Silicon Valley''', just west of Central California. Comprised of Alameda, Contra Costa, San Benito, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties, with San Francisco as its state capital, this state houses the wealthy tech giants of the country. It should be noted that Draper hails from this region of California; some cynics have suggested .

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** Contrasting this, the ''richest'' state in the country per capita if the Six Californias plan passed would be '''Silicon Valley''', just west of Central California. Comprised of Alameda, Contra Costa, San Benito, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties, with San Francisco UsefulNotes/SanFrancisco as its state capital, this state houses the wealthy tech giants of the country. It should be noted that Draper hails from this region of California; as such, some cynics have suggested .suggested that this is the ''real'' goal of the Six Californias plan, to create a [[OneNationUnderCopyright corporate enclave]] in the Bay Area where Silicon Valley firms and venture capitalists would be free to write the laws in their favor.
31st Mar '17 3:10:26 PM nombretomado
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* ''OrionsArm'' had California and Cascadia (which added the Yukon, Northwest Territory, and Alaska) secede from the U.S. in the late 22nd century. Both of which were regional superpowers with multiple colonies in the Asteroid Belt and outer solar system until the Nanodisaster.

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* ''OrionsArm'' ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' had California and Cascadia (which added the Yukon, Northwest Territory, and Alaska) secede from the U.S. in the late 22nd century. Both of which were regional superpowers with multiple colonies in the Asteroid Belt and outer solar system until the Nanodisaster.
29th Mar '17 1:09:41 PM eroock
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-->--'''[[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar South Carolina Declaration of Secession]]'''

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7th Mar '17 7:13:20 PM SoapheadChurch
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* In ''Fire On The Mountain'', John Brown enlists Harriet Tubman's aid in his raid on Harper's Ferry and thanks to her support, is successful. As a result, it sparks of a series of slave revolts that coalesce into "Nova Africa", a socialist republic run by former slaves made up of the states that would have become the Confederacy. Additionally, Mexico has taken advantage of the situation by reclaiming California and Texas. A Civil War does still take place, with Abraham Lincoln attempting to reclaim the former states, but the Union ultimately is defeated.

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* In ''Fire On The Mountain'', John Brown enlists Harriet Tubman's aid in his raid on Harper's Ferry and thanks to her support, is successful. As a result, it sparks of a series of slave revolts that coalesce into "Nova Africa", a socialist republic run by former slaves made up of the states that would have become the Confederacy. [[note]]The idea was based on the real life seperatist/social movement "The Republic of New Afrika", which sought to secede states in the Deep South from the United States by a referendum of African Americans and form a new country[[/note]] Additionally, Mexico has taken advantage of the situation by reclaiming California and Texas. A Civil War does still take place, with Abraham Lincoln attempting to reclaim the former states, but the Union ultimately is defeated.
7th Mar '17 7:08:05 PM SoapheadChurch
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* In ''Fire On The Mountain'', John Brown enlists Harriet Tubman's aid in his raid on Harper's Ferry and thanks to her support, is successful. As a result, it sparks of a series of slave revolts that coalesce into "Nova Africa", a socialist republic run by former slaves made up of the states that would have become the Confederacy. Additionally, Mexico has taken advantage of the situation by reclaiming California and Texas. A Civil War does still take place, with Abraham Lincoln attempting to reclaim the former states, but the Union ultimately is defeated.
2nd Mar '17 12:39:04 PM Kelothan
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* The Arlington area of Virginia is the land originally ceded from Virginia to Washington D.C. when the city was being formed, then succeed/was given back to Virginia. The rest of the city is looking to do something similar leaving D.C. to be just the region near the National Mall and some surrounding neighborhoods. Whether the city proper becomes [[ExpandedStatesOfAmerica a 51st State]] or returns to Maryland is a major point of debate hampering further movement. [[note]]Currently, D.C. has one House of Representatives observer who can raise issues, but cannot vote. Almost all D.C. residents are in favor of either option, because it will mean representation. The debate is more up to Congress, which must approve, and falls on party lines. D.C. is reliably Democrat, so the Democrats would like to see it as full Statehood giving it two more safe seat Senators. Republicans would prefer it ceded back to Maryland, where it would net only one reliable opposition House Seat.[[/note]]



* The Arlington area of Virginia is the land originally ceded from Virginia to Washington D.C. when the city was being formed, then succeed/was given back to Virginia. The rest of the city is looking to do something similar leaving D.C. to be just the region near the National Mall and some surrounding neighborhoods. Whether the city proper becomes [[ExpandedStatesOfAmerica a 51st State]] or returns to Maryland is a major point of debate hampering further movement. [[note]]Currently, D.C. has one House of Representatives observer who can raise issues, but cannot vote. Almost all D.C. residents are in favor of either option, because it will mean representation. The debate is more up to Congress, which must approve, and falls on party lines. D.C. is reliably Democrat, so the Democrats would like to see it as full Statehood giving it two more safe seat Senators. Republicans would prefer it ceded back to Maryland, where it would net only one reliable opposition House Seat.[[/note]]

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* The Arlington area of Virginia is the land originally ceded from Virginia to Washington D.C. when the city was being formed, then succeed/was given back to Virginia. The rest of the city is looking to do something similar leaving D.C. to be just the region near the National Mall and some surrounding neighborhoods. Whether the city proper becomes [[ExpandedStatesOfAmerica a 51st State]] or returns to Maryland is a major point of debate hampering further movement. [[note]]Currently, D.C. has one House of Representatives observer who can raise issues, but cannot vote. Almost all D.C. residents are in favor of either option, because it will mean representation. The debate is more up to Congress, which must approve, and falls on party lines. D.C. is reliably Democrat, so the Democrats would like to see it as full Statehood giving it two more safe seat Senators. Republicans would prefer it ceded back to Maryland, where it would net only one reliable opposition House Seat.[[/note]]
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