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12th Aug '17 5:03:03 PM RainbowPhoenix
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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it?]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it?]]
it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it does.[[/note]]]]



* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.
3rd Jul '17 11:16:01 AM DracoKanji
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Alternian society is binormative. UnfortunateImplications are removed however with the explicit presence of gay and bisexual humans.

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Alternian society is binormative. UnfortunateImplications are removed however with the explicit presence of gay and bisexual humans. Also, [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Kanaya]] is specifically only attracted to females, which is considered unusual but normal.
26th Jun '17 10:31:10 AM lakingsif
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of SpecualtiveFictionLGBT, about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of SpecualtiveFictionLGBT, SpeculativeFictionLGBT, about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
26th Jun '17 10:30:55 AM lakingsif
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of SpecualtiveFictionLGBT, about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
21st May '17 10:46:17 AM nombretomado
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** Although there's absolutely no shortage of more humanoid queer characters, the fact that Madame Vastra is a Silurian makes her somewhat gender-blind when it comes to humans. Her wife, Jenny, is very gay, but Vastra herself doesn't especially care if someone is male or female. The homophobia of VictorianBritain gets merrily ignored by the both of them.

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** Although there's absolutely no shortage of more humanoid queer characters, the fact that Madame Vastra is a Silurian makes her somewhat gender-blind when it comes to humans. Her wife, Jenny, is very gay, but Vastra herself doesn't especially care if someone is male or female. The homophobia of VictorianBritain UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain gets merrily ignored by the both of them.
10th May '17 11:26:00 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* While [[Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars Ziggy]] isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for the man himself... [[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.

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* While [[Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars Ziggy]] isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for [[AmbiguouslyBi the man himself... himself]]...[[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.
3rd Feb '17 7:05:16 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Discount Lesbians are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., so that they don't really "count". This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.

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Discount Lesbians (or Discount Gays, or Discount Bisexuals, etc.) are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., so that they don't really "count". This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.



* While Ziggy isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for the man himself... [[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.

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* While Ziggy [[Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars Ziggy]] isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for the man himself... [[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.TouchedByVorlons.
* Similarly, Music/LadyGaga (who's drawn inspiration from Bowie over the years) came out as bisexual soon after becoming famous, but one of her more explicitly homoerotic songs is "Venus," which has strong overtones of BoldlyComing.
21st Dec '16 8:38:28 AM erttheking
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has a number of examples. Female characters Undyne and Alphys have a love interest in each other, as do the distinctively male armored guards in Hotland. Also, in order to complete the True Pacifist Route, the androgynous player character must go on a date with both Papyrus (male) and Alphys.
4th Dec '16 10:53:54 AM thatother1dude
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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. They still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one really suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human women who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.

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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. They still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one really suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human women who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.
28th Nov '16 8:27:48 AM ErikModi
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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow's MirrorUniverse duplicate is a LesbianVampire. But then it's averted a few seasons later when Willow herself comes out and has to deal head-on with all the issues of sexuality and society.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow's MirrorUniverse duplicate is a LesbianVampire. But then it's averted a few seasons later when Willow herself comes out and has to deal head-on with all the issues of sexuality and society. PlayedWith in that, when Willow is freaking out about how evil and slutty and "kinda gay" her vampire self is, Giles notes that vampires are possessed by demons, and their personalities have nothing to do with the person they were. Angel (a vampire himself) starts to chime in "Actually," gets a DeathGlare, and finishes [[VerbalBackspace "that's a really good point."]] Presumably, Angel (who should know the most about vampire psychology) was about to point out that some personality traits do survive, cleverly foreshadowing Willow's own coming out two seasons later.
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