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11th Mar '18 9:17:18 AM Monolaf317
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Discount Lesbians (or Discount Gays, or Discount Bisexuals, etc.) are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., so that they don't really "count". This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.

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Discount Lesbians (or Discount Gays, or Discount Bisexuals, etc.) are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., [[LoopholeAbuse so that they don't really "count"."count"]]. This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.



8th Feb '18 3:06:24 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' has the sylvari, plant people who don't reproduce sexually, and to whom gender is completely irrelevant (they definitely ''have'' gender in that there are defined male and female sylvari, it just isn't an important distinction to them). And more specifically, Caithe and Faolain.

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* ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' has the sylvari, plant people who don't reproduce sexually, sexually (they all grow in pods from the same mother tree), and to whom gender is completely irrelevant (they definitely ''have'' gender in that there are defined male and female sylvari, it just isn't an important distinction to them). And more specifically, Caithe and Faolain.
22nd Jan '18 1:46:39 PM zrice03
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* Bortus and Klyden in ''Series/TheOrville'' count, as they are technically a same-sex couple since their species only has males[[note]]For the most part[[/note]], and are Moclan, not human.

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* Bortus and Klyden in ''Series/TheOrville'' count, as they are technically a same-sex couple since their species only has males[[note]]For the most part[[/note]], and are Moclan, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Moclan]], not human.
22nd Jan '18 1:45:45 PM zrice03
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* Bortus and Klyden in ''Series/TheOrville'' count, as they are technically a same-sex couple since their species only has males[[note]]For the most part[[/note]], and are Moclan, not human.
20th Jan '18 5:04:47 AM Silverblade2
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* Technically speaking, Disney portrayed a same-sex couple in Hugo and Djali from [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame The Hunchback of Notre Dame II]]. Said couple is composed of what amounts to a ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) living rock [[BestialityIsDepraved and a goat]], [[QueerPeopleAreFunny played for laughs]] on top of that. Understandably, not many people see this as a major breakthrough in LGBT representation, and the MoralGuardians didn't even flip out, even though it's exactly the sort of insanely over the top depraved scenario they often use as a slippery slope argument.

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* Technically speaking, Disney portrayed a same-sex couple in Hugo and Djali from [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame The Hunchback of Notre Dame II]].''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameII''. Said couple is composed of what amounts to a ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) living rock [[BestialityIsDepraved and a goat]], [[QueerPeopleAreFunny played for laughs]] on top of that. Understandably, not many people see this as a major breakthrough in LGBT representation, and the MoralGuardians didn't even flip out, even though it's exactly the sort of insanely over the top depraved scenario they often use as a slippery slope argument.
22nd Dec '17 2:42:42 PM RainbowPhoenix
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.[[note]]Though this seems to be a retcon; a relevant part in the Liara Fem!Shep romance is asking whereas its ''weird'' since they're both women, whose clarification on the former's part is the source of the perception of this being a discount lesbian scenario in the first place.[[/note]] ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes a returning character is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.[[note]]Though this seems to be a retcon; a relevant part in the Liara Fem!Shep romance is asking whereas its ''weird'' since they're both women, whose clarification on the former's part is the source of the perception of this being a discount lesbian scenario in the first place.[[/note]] ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.
7th Dec '17 10:38:39 AM Carliro
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. [[note]]Though this seems to be a retcon; a relevant part in the Liara Fem!Shep romance is asking whereas its ''weird'' since they're both women, whose clarification on the former's part is the source of the perception of this being a discount lesbian scenario in the first place.[[/note]] ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.
1st Nov '17 2:38:09 PM MarqFJA
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF SpeculativeFiction settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
1st Nov '17 2:37:16 PM MarqFJA
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of SpeculativeFictionLGBT, about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
14th Sep '17 2:10:03 PM Linda58
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* Male/Male version in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. The only male love interest a male [=PC=] can have is the elf Zervan. Though you can choose to make your character an elf, averting this somewhat.
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