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7th Dec '17 10:38:39 AM Carliro
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. [[note]]Though this seems to be a retcon; a relevant part in the Liara Fem!Shep romance is asking whereas its ''weird'' since they're both women, whose clarification on the former's part is the source of the perception of this being a discount lesbian scenario in the first place.[[/note]] ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.
1st Nov '17 2:38:09 PM MarqFJA
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF SpeculativeFiction settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
1st Nov '17 2:37:16 PM MarqFJA
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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of SpeculativeFictionLGBT, about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.

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Compare HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster, LesbianVampire, BuryYourGays, and (occasionally) {{Elfeminate}}. Related to DeceptivelyHumanRobots because both are only as robotic/gay, respectively, as is convenient for the show. Also see SpaceJews for aliens standing in for minorities. Related to HideYourLesbians in that both are a way of including apparently gay content without admitting to it. SubTrope of See also SpeculativeFictionLGBT, which is about how SF settings make showing LGBT acceptable. Not to be confused with transgender and metaphorically transgender characters.
14th Sep '17 2:10:03 PM Linda58
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* Male/Male version in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. The only male love interest a male [=PC=] can have is the elf Zervan. Though you can choose to make your character an elf, averting this somewhat.
27th Aug '17 7:11:00 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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* ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' has the sylvari, plant people who don't reproduce sexually, and to whom gender is completely irrelevant. And more specifically, Caithe and Faolain.

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* ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' has the sylvari, plant people who don't reproduce sexually, and to whom gender is completely irrelevant.irrelevant (they definitely ''have'' gender in that there are defined male and female sylvari, it just isn't an important distinction to them). And more specifically, Caithe and Faolain.
27th Aug '17 3:07:52 AM Solle
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** The Doctor occasionally suffers from this in the more queer-friendly regimes. Starting from the New series (with precedence in the Eighth Doctor ExpandedUniverse), he becomes definitively bisexual, but his queerness is often just used as part of the general joke about how weird and outrageous he is (though always affectionately, never with contempt). His relationships with Jack and the Master have more depth, but Jack's queerness is also played mostly for jokes about his outrageousness compared with modern humans (at least in the ''Doctor Who'' mothership), and he's only allowed to kiss the Master once the Master identifies as female. Of course, the Doctor does a lot of kissing of female characters as well - this is, unfortunately, a case of damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't that comes from having a main character who is a CloudCuckooLander alien.
** Although there's absolutely no shortage of more humanoid queer characters, the fact that Madame Vastra is a Silurian makes her somewhat gender-blind when it comes to humans. Her wife, Jenny, is very gay, but Vastra herself doesn't especially care if someone is male or female. The homophobia of UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain gets merrily ignored by the both of them.
** Strictly speaking, they don't ''ignore'' it so much as dodge it by having Jenny pretend to be Vastra's maid. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Only pretending. She doesn't feel like she's being treated like a maid at all.]]

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** The Doctor occasionally suffers from this in the more queer-friendly regimes. Starting from the New series (with precedence in the Eighth Doctor ExpandedUniverse), he becomes definitively bisexual, but his queerness is often just used as part of the general joke about how weird and outrageous he is (though always affectionately, never with contempt). His relationships with Jack and the Master have more depth, but Jack's queerness is also played mostly for jokes about his outrageousness compared with modern humans (at least in the ''Doctor Who'' mothership), and he's only allowed to kiss the Master once the Master identifies as female. Of course, the Doctor does a lot of kissing of female characters as well - this is, unfortunately, a case of damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't that comes from having a main character who is a CloudCuckooLander alien.
alien of a genderfluid species, and about half the characters being non-human.
** Although there's absolutely no shortage of more humanoid queer characters, the fact that Madame Vastra is a Silurian makes her somewhat gender-blind when it comes to humans. Her wife, Jenny, is very gay, but Vastra herself doesn't especially care if someone is male or female. The homophobia of UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain gets merrily ignored by the both of them.
** Strictly speaking, they don't ''ignore'' it so much as dodge it
dodged by having Jenny pretend to be Vastra's maid. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Only pretending. She doesn't feel like she's being treated like a maid at all.]]
27th Aug '17 3:03:10 AM Solle
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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it is.[[/note]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[OneGenderRace she]]'s [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it is.[[/note]]]]
23rd Aug '17 10:45:55 AM Smeagol17
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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it does.[[/note]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it does.is.[[/note]]]]
12th Aug '17 5:03:03 PM RainbowPhoenix
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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it?]]

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[[caption-width-right:300:It's not gay if "[[OneGenderRace she]]" is [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe an alien]], is it?]]
it? [[note]]As of the fourth game, it does.[[/note]]]]



* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time. ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' takes things even further. In addition to having a crew that includes multiple sexual orientations, flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, as a female PlayerCharacter gives InUniverse confirmation that a relationship between an asari and a female from another species ''does'' count as lesbianism from the perspective of the non-asari partner.
3rd Jul '17 11:16:01 AM DracoKanji
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Alternian society is binormative. UnfortunateImplications are removed however with the explicit presence of gay and bisexual humans.

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', Alternian society is binormative. UnfortunateImplications are removed however with the explicit presence of gay and bisexual humans. Also, [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Kanaya]] is specifically only attracted to females, which is considered unusual but normal.
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