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3rd Feb '17 7:05:16 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Discount Lesbians are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., so that they don't really "count". This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.

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Discount Lesbians (or Discount Gays, or Discount Bisexuals, etc.) are canon homosexual characters and couples who are either not human to begin with, come from alternate realities, have been magically or technologically altered in ways that affect their sexuality, etc., so that they don't really "count". This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets [[MostWritersAreMale the (presumed) audience]] watch [[GirlOnGirlIsHot two hot chicks making out]] without having to think about the associated real-world issues of homosexuality. On the other hand, the trope may come into play if the writer wishes to include a lesbian relationship in the story but is worried about MoralGuardians, thus becoming a way for a RuleAbidingRebel to make an attempt at GettingCrapPastTheRadar.



* While Ziggy isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for the man himself... [[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.

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* While Ziggy [[Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars Ziggy]] isn't Music/DavidBowie's only gay or bisexual stage persona (as for the man himself... [[FlipFlopOfGod let's not start]]), he's certainly the most flamboyant...and happens to be TouchedByVorlons.TouchedByVorlons.
* Similarly, Music/LadyGaga (who's drawn inspiration from Bowie over the years) came out as bisexual soon after becoming famous, but one of her more explicitly homoerotic songs is "Venus," which has strong overtones of BoldlyComing.
21st Dec '16 8:38:28 AM erttheking
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has a number of examples. Female characters Undyne and Alphys have a love interest in each other, as do the distinctively male armored guards in Hotland. Also, in order to complete the True Pacifist Route, the androgynous player character must go on a date with both Papyrus (male) and Alphys.
4th Dec '16 10:53:54 AM thatother1dude
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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. They still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one really suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human women who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.

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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. They still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one really suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human women who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.
28th Nov '16 8:27:48 AM ErikModi
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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow's MirrorUniverse duplicate is a LesbianVampire. But then it's averted a few seasons later when Willow herself comes out and has to deal head-on with all the issues of sexuality and society.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow's MirrorUniverse duplicate is a LesbianVampire. But then it's averted a few seasons later when Willow herself comes out and has to deal head-on with all the issues of sexuality and society. PlayedWith in that, when Willow is freaking out about how evil and slutty and "kinda gay" her vampire self is, Giles notes that vampires are possessed by demons, and their personalities have nothing to do with the person they were. Angel (a vampire himself) starts to chime in "Actually," gets a DeathGlare, and finishes [[VerbalBackspace "that's a really good point."]] Presumably, Angel (who should know the most about vampire psychology) was about to point out that some personality traits do survive, cleverly foreshadowing Willow's own coming out two seasons later.
20th Nov '16 6:02:25 PM DrImpossible
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** ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' tried to do this in a more sensitive manner than TNG had in the "The Host". In "Rejoined", Jadzia Dax meets Lenara Kahn, whom one of the Dax symbiont's previous male hosts had been married to when the Kahn symbiont occupied a female host. The trope is applied in that it is really Dax and Kahn, the symbionts, who have romantic feelings for each other, rather than Jadzia and Lenara. Also, the Trill have a taboo against symbionts resuming romantic relationships carried over from past hosts (a retcon from their introduction in TNG) and thus this was a single-episode story that is never pursued further. Jadzia would go on to marry Worf.

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** ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' tried to do this in a more sensitive manner than TNG had in the "The Host". In "Rejoined", Jadzia Dax meets Lenara Kahn, whom one of the Dax symbiont's previous male hosts had been married to when the Kahn symbiont occupied a female host.to. The trope is applied in that it is really Dax and Kahn, the symbionts, who have romantic feelings for each other, rather than Jadzia and Lenara. Also, the Trill have a taboo against symbionts resuming romantic relationships carried over from past hosts (a retcon from their introduction in TNG) and thus this was a single-episode story that is never pursued further. Jadzia would go on to marry Worf.
8th Nov '16 6:10:12 PM thatother1dude
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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. As such, any romantic relationship between two gems falls under this category. So far, none of the human characters on the show have come out as gay or bisexual, due to MoralGuardians still being leery about LGBT characters in children's shows. Thus, the Gems allow the writers to explore same-sex romance in a "kid-friendly" manner.
** {{Fusion|Dance}} is based on Gems forming a close bond; the closer the bond, the more powerful and easier to maintain the fusion is. Sapphire and Ruby are explicitly in a relationship, but they stay fused at almost all times, and when separated become desperate to get back together, presenting a much more, well, ''alien'' view of a relationship compared with humans (even the most lovey-dovey human couple wouldn't want to give up their autonomy as individuals).
** Pearl's sometimes obsessive dedication, love for, and idolization of Rose Quartz. Matt Burnett [[https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/611651923100307456 confirmed]] her feelings for Rose were ''not'' platonic (not that that really needed confirmation with all the focus they were given), and Rebecca Sugar [[http://oathkeeper-of-tarth.tumblr.com/post/142374367394/interviewer-pearl-obviously-has-some-unrequited later confirmed]] that they weren't entirely unrequited.
** Played entirely straight with Pearl [[spoiler: getting Mystery Girls phone number]].

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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. As such, any They still hold romantic relationship between two gems falls under this category. So far, none of the human characters on the show have come out as gay or bisexual, due to MoralGuardians still being leery about LGBT characters in children's shows. Thus, the Gems allow the writers to explore same-sex romance in a "kid-friendly" manner.
** {{Fusion|Dance}} is based on Gems forming a close bond; the closer the bond, the more powerful and easier to maintain the fusion is. Sapphire and Ruby are explicitly in a relationship, but they stay fused at almost all times, and when separated become desperate to get back together, presenting a much more, well, ''alien'' view of a relationship compared with humans (even the most lovey-dovey human couple wouldn't want to give up their autonomy as individuals).
** Pearl's sometimes obsessive dedication, love for, and idolization of Rose Quartz. Matt Burnett [[https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/611651923100307456 confirmed]] her
feelings for Rose were ''not'' platonic (not that that of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one really needed confirmation with all the focus they were given), and Rebecca Sugar [[http://oathkeeper-of-tarth.tumblr.com/post/142374367394/interviewer-pearl-obviously-has-some-unrequited later confirmed]] suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that they weren't entirely unrequited.
** Played entirely straight with
gems are aliens]]. When Pearl [[spoiler: getting Mystery Girls phone number]].falls for a human women who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.
7th Nov '16 6:22:32 PM BattleMaster
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with {=FemShep=}, Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation (though at the start of a romance with {=FemShep=}, [=FemShep=], Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her own species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.
7th Nov '16 6:21:45 PM BattleMaster
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation, and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation, orientation (though at the start of a romance with {=FemShep=}, Liara will still have a minor freakout about being attracted to another woman who isn't her species, despite the fact that both qualities are supposedly considered normal for an asari's romantic partner), and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases).cases, though their language doesn't have gendered pronouns for obvious reasons). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.
7th Nov '16 10:26:45 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.

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* The asari of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' are a classic example. An entire alien species of [[OneGenderRace mono-gendered]], universally hot [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe blue alien space babes]] who have relationships with each other, all genders of [[ExtremeOmnisexual almost every other sapient species]], and (potentially) with female [=PCs=], the gender aspect almost never shown to be an issue for interspecies relationships. A number of asari characters express bemusement at the whole concept of sexual orientation, and there are a few jokes about gender-based concepts not translating properly (for example, the asari consider the parent that didn't give birth the "father" in all cases). ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' may have [[WhatCouldHaveBeen originally been going to include]] same-sex options for the two human love interests, as suggested by DummiedOut audio files that suggest such a thing, but those files also have the ''very male'' Mark Meer ask Liara if she's OK with [[NarmCharm dating a woman]]. Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and one comes out as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.
7th Nov '16 7:01:20 AM Monolaf317
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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. As such, any romantic relationship between two gems falls under this category. So far, none of the human characters on the show have come out as gay or bisexual, due to MoralGuardians still being leery about GLBT characters in children's shows. Thus, the Gems allow the writers to explore same-sex romance in a "kid-friendly" manner.

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* The Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use forms that look like human women. As such, any romantic relationship between two gems falls under this category. So far, none of the human characters on the show have come out as gay or bisexual, due to MoralGuardians still being leery about GLBT LGBT characters in children's shows. Thus, the Gems allow the writers to explore same-sex romance in a "kid-friendly" manner.



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