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26th Jul '16 12:36:22 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': [[spoiler:One-Eyed Othinus tries to do this to Touma]] by attempting to make him feel worthless and a villain, by replacing him with someone else, who although different in large ways, has no effect on history, and how a simple change of perspective, without the assumption that he is a hero, turns his actions into that of a villain.



* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': [[spoiler:One-Eyed Othinus tries to do this to Touma]] by attempting to make him feel worthless and a villain, by replacing him with someone else, who although different in large ways, has no effect on history, and how a simple change of perspective, without the assumption that he is a hero, turns his actions into that of a villain.

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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': [[spoiler:One-Eyed Othinus tries to do this to Touma]] by attempting to make him feel worthless and a villain, by replacing him with someone else, who although different in large ways, has no effect on history, and how a simple change of perspective, without the assumption that he is a hero, turns his actions into that of a villain.
18th Jul '16 11:24:49 AM Malady
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': [[spoiler:One-Eyed Othinus tries to do this to Touma]] by attempting to make him feel worthless and a villain, by replacing him with someone else, who although different in large ways, has no effect on history, and how a simple change of perspective, without the assumption that he is a hero, turns his actions into that of a villain.
20th Jun '16 3:31:50 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': Salem's ImageSong and her Volume 3 finale speech suggest that her plan is to destroy humanity by turning them against each other and sinking them into despair. Her goal appears to be to ruin Ozpin. She strongly implies that the only way to truly destroy humanity is to destroy Ozpin's faith in them and their future, but that Ozpin's faith will not be shattered until she has managed to destroy the hope and optimism his "simple soul" represents. The "simple soul" is implied to be the resolutely optimistic Ruby.
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22nd May '16 7:24:39 PM TSBasilisk
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* In {{Literature/Worm}}, this is [[spoiler: Skitter's plan to defeat OmnicidalManiac Scion, in yet another reversal of villain and hero.]]

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* In {{Literature/Worm}}, this is [[spoiler: Skitter's plan ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' [[spoiler:Skitter]] realizes that since [[spoiler:OmnicidalManiac Scion]] has only just begun to defeat OmnicidalManiac Scion, feel human emotions he has no way to cope with his grief. So she throws reminders of what he's lost in yet another reversal of villain his face until he's so bewildered and hero.]]hurt they're able to take him down.
17th Feb '16 9:27:25 AM FF32
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** This sort of thing is done more than once. In ''Neverending Battle'' [[{{Expy}} Manchester]] [[ComicBooks/TheAuthority Black]] throws all of Superman's available nemeses at him then finishes up by killing Lois [[spoiler: turns out the killing is a telepathic illusion]]. The point in this case is to try to get Superman to sink to his level via tragedy. Superman's allows the telepath into his mind to reveal there's a part of him that really wants to do that, but he doesn't succumb.

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** This sort of thing is done more than once. In ''Neverending Battle'' [[{{Expy}} Manchester]] [[ComicBooks/TheAuthority [[ComicBook/TheAuthority Black]] throws all of Superman's available nemeses at him then finishes up by killing Lois [[spoiler: turns out the killing is a telepathic illusion]]. The point in this case is to try to get Superman to sink to his level via tragedy. Superman's allows the telepath into his mind to reveal there's a part of him that really wants to do that, but he doesn't succumb.
24th Jan '16 6:35:11 PM nombretomado
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* ComicBook/LexLuthor defeats Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''SupermanRedSon'' in this way: after every attempt to take out Superman by brute force fails, he attacks Superman's psyche instead with an ArmorPiercingQuestion.

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor defeats Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''SupermanRedSon'' ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'' in this way: after every attempt to take out Superman by brute force fails, he attacks Superman's psyche instead with an ArmorPiercingQuestion.
18th Jan '16 1:15:29 PM Piando
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* This is Knives' instruction to his minions in ''{{Trigun}}'', in the hopes that it will make Vash give up his stewardship of humans and [[FaceHeelTurn join the other side]]. In the anime, [[spoiler: it works, and Vash breaks down, becoming almost catatonic, at least until a [[HeartwarmingMoment moment of redemption]] redoubles his resolve]].

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* This is Knives' instruction to his minions in ''{{Trigun}}'', ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'', in the hopes that it will make Vash give up his stewardship of humans and [[FaceHeelTurn join the other side]]. In the anime, [[spoiler: it works, and Vash breaks down, becoming almost catatonic, at least until a [[HeartwarmingMoment moment of redemption]] redoubles his resolve]].




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* ComicBook/LexLuthor defeats {{Superman}} in ''SupermanRedSon'' in this way: after every attempt to take out Superman by brute force fails, he attacks Superman's psyche instead with an ArmorPiercingQuestion.

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor defeats {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} in ''SupermanRedSon'' in this way: after every attempt to take out Superman by brute force fails, he attacks Superman's psyche instead with an ArmorPiercingQuestion.



* Following the death of his brother, the villain Kraven, ''SpiderMan'' villain Chameleon became increasingly crazy and devoted himself to putting Spider-Man through one of these, and along the way, he confirmed/learned Spider-Man's identity. This included convincing Peter he was in a CuckoosNest scenario and was actually an unhinged and depressed writer, as well as trying to attack Peter's family and friends.

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* Following the death of his brother, the villain Kraven, ''SpiderMan'' ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' villain Chameleon became increasingly crazy and devoted himself to putting Spider-Man through one of these, and along the way, he confirmed/learned Spider-Man's identity. This included convincing Peter he was in a CuckoosNest scenario and was actually an unhinged and depressed writer, as well as trying to attack Peter's family and friends.




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* Bane in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' is all about these. He even explicitly says so.

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* Bane ComicBook/{{Bane}} in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' is all about these. He even explicitly says so.




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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic 2'', the ''protagonist'' actually uses this to defeat [[TheDragon Darth Sion.]] His connection to the Force basically makes him invincible, so in order to kill him for good, the player has to convince him to give up that connection willingly and die.

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* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic 2'', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic2'', the ''protagonist'' actually uses this to defeat [[TheDragon Darth Sion.]] His connection to the Force basically makes him invincible, so in order to kill him for good, the player has to convince him to give up that connection willingly and die.




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9th Jan '16 2:25:39 AM Dravencour
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[[DoomedHometown Blow up his hometown]]. [[AndYourLittleDogToo Kill his loved ones]]. Spout cutting {{Breaking Speech}}es and StrawNihilist diatribes at every opportunity. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Steal his belongings]]. The ultimate goal is to drive the goodie past the DespairEventHorizon and make him more an enemy to himself than to the villain.

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[[DoomedHometown Blow up his hometown]]. [[AndYourLittleDogToo Kill his loved ones]]. Spout cutting {{Breaking Speech}}es and StrawNihilist diatribes at every opportunity. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Steal his belongings]]. [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished Turn everything good he's done against him]]. The ultimate goal is to drive the goodie past the DespairEventHorizon and make him more an enemy to himself than to the villain.
9th Jan '16 2:22:39 AM Dravencour
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As with other such plots, it tends to backfire. Hurting the hero on this level [[ItsPersonal makes it personal]], incurring the risk of focusing the hero's attention squarely against the villain, or even triggering an UnstoppableRage. There's also the possibility of [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant riling a previously neutral party]]. Because the story tends to be on the hero's side, this gambit is more likely to fail in the long run, though it may succeed in evaporating his hope at a critical point.

This is a common tactic of the invading army, the intent being to weaken the defense by subduing its morale. This is also the basic idea behind terrorism. The HopeCrusher is a villain who is quite fond of this tactic.

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As with other such plots, it tends to backfire. Hurting Messing with the hero on this level [[ItsPersonal makes it personal]], incurring the risk of focusing the hero's attention squarely against the villain, or even triggering an UnstoppableRage. There's also the possibility of [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant riling a previously neutral party]]. Because the story tends to be on the hero's side, this gambit is more likely to fail in the long run, though it may succeed in evaporating his hope at a critical point.

This is a common tactic of the an invading army, the intent being to weaken the defense defenders by subduing its their morale. This is also the basic idea behind terrorism. The HopeCrusher is a villain who is quite fond of this tactic.
7th Aug '15 9:38:40 AM MJC
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** [[spoiler: It's later mentioned that Madara taught this tactic to Obito. In the anime there's a flashback showing Obito (successfully) pulling this on Nagato. He later tries it on Naruto, who manages to resist.]]
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